[PD] Discussing, exchanging pd-generated music

[jlistshit]

OT question: What other list might exist to discuss/exchange etc mostly the 
music that people produce with PD, rather than the technical details? Open to 
all styles here, though with a focus on generative, electro-acoustic, 
composition, not very IDM interested.

Thanx in advance.




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Re: [PD] bigger inlet/outlet size in 0.48.1

[jlistshit]

I notice something similar on Mac, maybe not as drastic as on Windows, however, 
personally i also favor the old, thinner style.

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On 15 Mar 2018, at 15:23, pd-list-requ...@lists.iem.at wrote:

> has really nobody else experienced this ?
> is this just happening on my machine ?
> or is this a supposed to be a "new PD look" ?
> 
> as i said: this change was introduced in PD 0.48.1 (windows 7)
> 
> thanks for any clarifications
> 
> 
> oliver
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Re: [PD] Pitch correction abstraction based on I10.phase.bash.pd

[jlistshit]

William, i’d like to pick up on pitch correction 20 years too late as well!
Would you mind sending the example patch again, or privately to me? Digest mode 
scrubs attachments here.
Thanx a lot!

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On 14 Mar 2018, at 22:49, pd-list-requ...@lists.iem.at wrote:

> Just noticed a little problem - DSP needs to be on before opening the help
> patch. Otherwise the read/write head sync doesn't happen properly on
> loading. You can also just force it to re-sync by going into the [pd
> other-commands] subpatch and setting buf-read-delay to about 50ms.
> 
> On Wed, Mar 14, 2018 at 11:19 AM, William Brent 
> wrote:
> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I've been picking apart I10.phase.bash.pd for teaching purposes, and ended
>> up making an adaptation of it for live inputs. Here's a .zip file of my
>> first go at it. It's an abstraction and help file, and can be used to get
>> auto-tune-like results on vocals. I'm about 20 years late to the party on
>> that one, but it's still fun...
>> 
>> Maybe someone has already done something like this that I'm not aware of -
>> I'd like to know if so. Otherwise, I may do a little more tinkering and put
>> this up on deken.
>> 
>> William
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> William Brent
>> www.williambrent.com
>> 
>> “Great minds flock together”
>> Conflations: conversational idiom for the 21st century
>> 
>> www.conflations.com
>> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> William Brent
> www.williambrent.com
> 
> “Great minds flock together”
> Conflations: conversational idiom for the 21st century
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Re: [PD] HOAlib in 0.48-1 not working/recognized

[jlistshit]

Pierre, thank you for the repost. 

I hadn’t seen your first post in the archives before.

I use no -nogui modes, so I’ll just continue to use 0.47-1 in the meantime.

Or can i help the update somewhat?

In any case thank you very much for HOAlib, helped me a great deal recently, 
when rearranging a mono-made alien audio zoo for an immersive arts convention.
Beware, they attack with humor:  
https://soundcloud.com/jayrope2/things-without-names-into-worlds-version

:)


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Thank you for your work.


On 16 Feb 2018, at 16:52, Pierre Guillot  wrote:

> Yes, I think for the moment you have to avoid the GUIs. I already answered to 
> this question on the Pd-list: 
> https://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-list/2017-12/121142.html
> 
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[PD] HOAlib in 0.48-1 not working/recognized

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Hello everyone, i only switched from 0.47-1 to 0.48-1 yesterday (on OSX 10.9.5) 
and can not seem to make HOAlib and Cream running.

Is there anything substantial to path recognition or file registering, which 
might have changed in the meantime?

Hoalib is v 2.2 including the cream lib, that came with the install, and plus 
the recommended v2.2 additional patches installed as well.

Objects inserted in patch appear to dashed, although Pd window states success 
messages such as "/Library/Pd/Cream/Cream.pd_darwin and succeeded” etc.

In 0.47.1 this install worked with bith the 32 and 64 bit version, is there an 
issue now with 0.48-1.

Thanx for any pointers to solution!

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Re: [PD] Rreadability of list messages

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It seems, that messages should be formatted as plain text - otherwise mailman 
treats them like an attachment and strips them, from the digest at least.

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On 11 Jan 2018, at 12:00, pd-list-requ...@lists.iem.at wrote:

> Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2018 11:00:09 +0100
> From: ro...@dds.nl
> To: pd-list@lists.iem.at, Christof Ressi 
> Subject: [PD] readability of list messages
> Message-ID: <05ccc1fd89a3fee8f0089bd49f0ea...@dds.nl>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed
> 
> hi christof,
> 
> no idea how it comes about, but this is how i get your contributions to 
> the list in my digests: no content.
> not always, but only your's.
> apparently some other people see something different, because in replies 
> your text is visible.
> can i or you do something about it?
> 
> grts, rolf
> 
>  --
> 
>  Message: 1
>  Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2018 17:25:24 +0100
>  From: "Christof Ressi" 
>  To: "Lucas Cordiviola" 
>  Cc: "pd-list@lists.iem.at" 
>  Subject: Re: [PD] [PD-announce] pd 0.48-1 released
>  Message-ID:
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Re: [PD] Pd meetings in Berlin?

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Definately interested, although not in Berlin this month.
Where would you guys meet?


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On 10 Oct 2017, at 12:00, pd-list-requ...@lists.iem.at wrote:

> Dear List,
> 
> we're considering restarting the Pd meetings in Berlin, but wanted to know  
> how many users and interested persons would like to take part.
> Are you a Pd user in Berlin or a beginner interested in Pd who would like  
> to meet other users and sit down to discuss Pd-related topics, or just  
> patch among others? Then let us know - if there are enough interested  
> persons, we can give this a go. Please, consider that this is not intended  
> to be an open ended workshop for beginners, but a gathering of like-minded  
> Pd'ers to share ideas, patching methods, tips, etc..
> 
> Best,
> 
> Marco Donnarumma and João Pais


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Re: [PD] abstraction arguments and GUI

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Thank you for answering, Miller.
Should i do create a github issue for one of the next versions. It would really 
be quite nice to be able to fall back to editing the arguments without having 
to destroy that object and reconnect the new one with subsequent objects…
Thank you for all you do!
 
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On Aug 12, 2017, at 18:30, Miller Puckette <m...@ucsd.edu> wrote:

> I've been meaning to provide a way to do this - perhaps makng a fallback
> 'properties' dialog for any object that allows you to edit the text
> description and re-create the object (and maybe also its exact screen location
> etc).  One of the many features that still need designing and implementing :)
> 
> M
> 
> On Sat, Aug 12, 2017 at 02:36:12PM +0200, jlistshit wrote:
>> I oftenly use abstractions with arguments (e.g. preset values) typed into 
>> the object box. Unfortunately in that mode the abstractions own GUI is 
>> invisible, due to arguments only working, when “Hide object name and 
>> argumets” is active.
>> 
>> Couldn’t there be a way, that let’s one alternatively type arguments into 
>> fields contained within the objects properties window?
>> How could one preserve the abstraction GUI and use arguments? Or how do you 
>> work alternatively?
>> Thanx for any insights.
>> 
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[PD] List question

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Is this an appropriate place to say “ I am currently in Barcelona for ten days 
and would like to meet other PD users for exchange”?
If so and you are interested, send me a message offlist. Thank you.
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[PD] abstraction arguments and GUI

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I oftenly use abstractions with arguments (e.g. preset values) typed into the 
object box. Unfortunately in that mode the abstractions own GUI is invisible, 
due to arguments only working, when “Hide object name and argumets” is active.

Couldn’t there be a way, that let’s one alternatively type arguments into 
fields contained within the objects properties window?
How could one preserve the abstraction GUI and use arguments? Or how do you 
work alternatively?
Thanx for any insights.

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Re: [PD] Easy way to list used abstractions in patch?

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Thank you Miller, 
that’s at least a better way than going through all by hand and try to list 
what one finds… that process usually results in missing things here.

Should i file a feature request?
+1

I think everyone would be happy to see this, and it would make PD more 
accessible for non-programmers, too.

Thank you for all you do.

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On Jul 27, 2017, at 19:33, Miller Puckette <m...@ucsd.edu> wrote:

> This is always a pain, sorry - I often want to do this too.  I do it this
> way:  set "verbose" flag, load the patch, copy all the messages into a
> file, then "grep succeeded ", then sort.  The linux/Mac sort
> program has a "-u" flag (unique) that suppresses repeats.
> 
> But Pd ought to offer a simpler way to do this :)
> 
> cheers
> Miller
> 
> On Thu, Jul 27, 2017 at 07:13:57PM +0200, jlistshit wrote:
>> I have a simple question, is there an easy way to list used abstractions of 
>> a patch?
>> 
>> I oftenly pass on patches to fellow musicians and finding used abstractions 
>> per patch can be sticky business - i’d like to not send all abstractions i 
>> ever made instead :)
>> Thanx for any hints!
>> 
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[PD] Easy way to list used abstractions in patch?

[jlistshit]

I have a simple question, is there an easy way to list used abstractions of a 
patch?

I oftenly pass on patches to fellow musicians and finding used abstractions per 
patch can be sticky business - i’d like to not send all abstractions i ever 
made instead :)
Thanx for any hints!

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Re: [PD] Icon Update

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Thanx for the stabs repost, hadn’t seen that before. 
Of those two layouts i like Dan’s version more, as the “Retina” version gets 
too foggy here. I am not using etina, but my eyes like maximum contrast. 

The new font, DejaVu Sans Mono works better in the Retina version, though, as 
it has sufficient weight there to display well at smaller icon sizes. 

Eyes on an overfilled dashboard love this.

Thank you both for working on this,

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On Jul 21, 2017, at 6:05, pd-list-requ...@lists.iem.at wrote:

> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2017 03:56:16 +0200
> From: Dan Wilcox 
> To: Pd-List 
> Subject: [PD] Icon Update?
> Message-ID: <8cd8c1e9-9c55-44c9-868a-8b3a9002f...@gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> Here's a prelim stab at updating the Pd icon: 
> https://github.com/pure-data/pd-icon 
> 
> Nothing fancy, simply recreated the current vanilla icon using DejaVu Sans 
> Mono from an actual Pd patch print export. Now in *high* resolution. This 
> repo generates all icons for Windows, Mac, & Linux (I assume): there is also 
> gif that TK can load natively. I believe I got the sizing and padding around 
> the icon pretty well (at least on mac).
> 
> Not to discount Paul Rankin's mac icon refresh which got this going (and is 
> arguably better than the flat vanilla approach I've taken):
> 
> * https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/pull/53 
>  (I dig the original simple 
> aesthetic with the shadows)
> * https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/pull/56 
> 
> 
> The makefile can generate the icon from a 1024 master which can be changed 
> from my prelim export.
> 
> One issue with the original proposal is that there wasn't really much of a 
> discussion overall. Now would be a good time to revisit this. Once something 
> is agreed upon, we just need an SVG and 1024x1024 PNG to generate the icon 
> sets.
> 
> 
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Re: [PD] abstractions with arguments

[jlistshit]

Thank you, João. 
Yes, i noticed, that a simple

[loadbang]
|
[float $0]
|
[outlet]

inside the abstraction does that trick.

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On 13 Jan 2017, at 16:11, pd-list-requ...@lists.iem.at wrote:

> also notice, you can use $0 as an argument (very useful when assuring  
> individuality of variables, and still connect them to the parent patch)


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Re: [PD] abstractions with arguments

[jlistshit]

Thank you for the hint, Johannes. I found (for me) more understandable info 
here as well:

http://msp.ucsd.edu/techniques/v0.11/book-html/node67.html

I learned how to do this now.

On 12 Jan 2017, at 12:00, pd-list-requ...@lists.iem.at wrote:

> On 2017-01-12 02:01, jlistshit wrote:
>> Forgive me, if this has been asked before:
>> Is there a way to insert arguments into an object box when loading an 
>> abstraction, so that the abstraction would receive it’s respective default 
>> values from those arguments? 
>> 
> 
> as in manual §2.7.1 and doc/2.control/13.locality.pd?
> 
> 
> fgdasmr
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[PD] abstractions with arguments

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Forgive me, if this has been asked before:
Is there a way to insert arguments into an object box when loading an 
abstraction, so that the abstraction would receive it’s respective default 
values from those arguments? 

an example

[jrp-adsr 0 60 0.1 1200]

thanx you for any insights!

+++


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[PD] Equal panning formulas

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Please excuse this question not entirely being related to Pure Data.

If i feed values 0-1 from linear [hsl] into either

[expr sqrt(1-$f1); sqrt($f1)]

or

[expr cos(1.57 * $f1); sin(1.57 * $f1)]

i essentially get the same set of output values, but with different input 
values. Obviously 0.5 puts both formulas to output 0.707 on both sides, but 
only extremes or center position input values (0, 1, 0.5) output the same 
results. 
The square root function leads to locations more near to the center, the other 
one has a wider image. 

A. Which one is the correct one from an engineering view point, and where are 
special cases which might lead to using the other one instead?

One of those cases occurs to me, when i have a foreground signal with a wide 
stereo image, but want a stereo reverb generated from this to be yet stereo, 
but responding stronger in the center.

B. What if i want to favor the center even more, though without leaving the 
idea of equal power panning (ah ja, mix it with a mono signal…, but which of 
the two formulas will i have to use then???)

Thank you very much in advance.

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Re: [PD] Pd-0.47.1 on macOS 10.11.6 hangs after quitting

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I had the same problem on OSX 10.9.5 nut just with 47-1 also with the prior 
version of PD. I actually could not quit the application other than by force.

If you go to your audio preferences and switch off/untick “Use callbacks” the 
problem might disappear, it did so here, although i don’t know exactly why.

Besides that, are your Input Devices never storing their state, when you Save 
All Settings in audio prefs? I was wondering if the two phenomena might be 
releated…

Hope it helps, maybe someone with more insight into the intestines can shed 
brighter light here.

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> Re: Pd-0.47.1 on macOS 10.11.6 hangs after quitting


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Re: [PD] Pd-0.47.1 on macOS 10.11.6 hangs after quitting

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I had the same problem on OSX 10.9.5 nut just with 47-1 also with the prior 
version of PD. I actually could not quit the application other than by force.

If you go to your audio preferences and switch off/untick “Use callbacks” the 
problem might disappear, it did so here, although i don’t know exactly why.

Besides that, are your Input Devices never storing their state, when you Save 
All Settings in audio prefs? I was wondering if the two phenomena might be 
releated…

Hope it helps, maybe someone with more insight into the intestines can shed 
brighter light here.

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> Re: Pd-0.47.1 on macOS 10.11.6 hangs after quitting


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Re: [PD] PD doesn't quit / solved

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Problems seems solved after deactivating callback in audio prefs.

I had not used that option (conciously at least) before, but removing the tick 
did the trick.

jrp

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> Re: PD doesn't quit


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Re: [PD] PD doesn't quit

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IOhannes, i am not using any externals, just a standard vanilla install.

[;pd quit( hangs as much as quitting via menu, as soon as audio/dsp was 
active. 

If i quit DSP even on an empty patch, then the PD window still says “audio on”.
I am using PD only with CoreAudio. Jack defied installation last time i tried ;)

Ingo, i didn’t use [shell] (ever).

Strange.

jrp


> 
> On 10/31/2016 07:19 PM, jlistshit wrote:
>> Especially after the use of DSP I can only quit PD by force, 
> 
> have you tried [; pd quit(?
> 
>> and yet it leaves pd threads running, although the frontmost application has 
>> quit. 
> 
> which threads?
> 
> this sounds a bit like a problem with some externals you are using.
> also, which audio API are you using? jack?
> 
> gfrdsa
> IOhannes

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Re: [PD] Pd-list Digest, Vol 139, Issue 126

[jlistshit]

IOhannes, i am not using any externals, just a standard vanilla install.

[;pd quit( hangs as much as quitting via menu, as soon as audio/dsp was 
active. 

If i quit DSP even on an empty patch, then the PD window still says “audio on”.
I am using PD only with CoreAudio. Jack defied installation last time i tried ;)

Ingo, i didn’t use [shell] (ever).

Strange.

jrp


> 
> On 10/31/2016 07:19 PM, jlistshit wrote:
>> Especially after the use of DSP I can only quit PD by force, 
> 
> have you tried [; pd quit(?
> 
>> and yet it leaves pd threads running, although the frontmost application has 
>> quit. 
> 
> which threads?
> 
> this sounds a bit like a problem with some externals you are using.
> also, which audio API are you using? jack?
> 
> gfrdsa
> IOhannes


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Re: [PD] problem with send~ instead of patchcord

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Use throw~ and catch~ instead of send~ and receive~.

jayrope

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> i wanted to do the same thing with 
> send~/receive~ pairs in order


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Re: [PD] vanilla 0.47.1 Bug?

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> sometimes I open a project and when I try to go to Edit Mode,
> it does not. I have tried via shortcut command + e and via menu.

This happens to me, when i open a patch, which i saved before with more than 
the main window open. In other words, if there is an underlying subpatcher 
open, then the command-E might turn the subpatcher into editing mode, instead 
of the main patcher in front.

Best

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Re: [PD] Spring Reverb?

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Hi, i had looked into this before (not in PD). When you search for the 
modelling of a metal helix you'll get into intense math pretty quickly

(see 
https://www.era.lib.ed.ac.uk/bitstream/handle/1842/3718/BilbaoS_A%20Virtual%20model.pdf?sequence=1
 )

so i decided to copy params from typical spring reverbs into delay chains.
A simple version looks like this
two delay chains, 25 and 40 ms (typical accutronic spring tank from guitar 
amps), 
each with feedback through an allpass filter, which should allow to smear the 
HF usually in a range of max 1ms.
add faders for 
- the delay time (ratio 2.5:4 - i prefer to have a range of 2.5 to 125 for the 
25ms delay chain, the second delay chain x 1.6), 
- the amount of feedback
- the amount of smear on the feedback.
- a control for randomization (see LFO thing below)

Unfortunately i am not aware of an allpass filter object for PD, as i use only 
vanilla, but i am sure you'll find one.

Additionally, to create more interesting pictures, you can
- add an LFO per delay chain with a line object set to 500 (to create a sort of 
glide) to modulate the delay time slightly or heavily.

Like i said, i didn't do this in PD yet, only in maxmsp and on patchblocks, 
but the idea works fine (gritty!) without heaving to go into heavy math.

My patchblocks patch is here:  
http://patchblocks.com/groups/patch/shattuh-02-spring-reverb-emulation

And someone made a video of how it sounds here (patchblock on right side runs 
the shattuh patch:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_e3hrkLRAc

Best of luck :)
 
jayrope
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On Apr 16, 2016, at 12:00 PM, pd-list-requ...@lists.iem.at wrote:

> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2016 15:06:00 -0400
> From: William Huston 
> To: "pd-list@lists.iem.at" 
> Subject: [PD] Spring Reverb?
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> Can anyone give any insight on how to model the sound of a spring reverb?
> 
> Is it possible by using Freeverb with some filters? Or does it require
> IR/Convolution?
> 
> I live the twangy rattle sound. So unique.
> 
> Thanks.




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[PD] vanilla / iterate through audio in array

[jlistshit]

Hi everyone, this is my first post here. I'm a composer from Berlin.

This question might have been asked before: 
In PD vanilla: How can i detect jumps from negative to positive values in an 
array?

I am using until with tabread, and just that little bit of porcessing, which 
gives me a bang or a 1, when the phase changes, is missing.

Any insight appreciated and thank you in advance.

jayrope
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I recently restarted using PD vanilla (and bound to this version mainly to 
program FX for the Hoxton Owl).
I am a long time maxmsp user, the use of a restricted object set as in PD 
vanilla is another challenge, though.




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