Re: [PD] Where is the object reference documentation?

2010-06-14 Thread Loic KESSOUS
Le 14 juin 2010 à 12:53, Mathieu Bouchard a écrit : On Sun, 13 Jun 2010, Loic KESSOUS wrote: I did a few contributions, but not as much as I should have done :) I (and two other Montréalais) convinced some other French people to not touch pdpedia and just move on to something worth the

Re: [PD] Where is the object reference documentation?

2010-06-14 Thread Mathieu Bouchard
On Mon, 14 Jun 2010, Loic KESSOUS wrote: Le 14 juin 2010 à 12:53, Mathieu Bouchard a écrit : you need to revise your criteria for what constitutes an object reference documentation and/or what is the meaning of closest thing. well, I meant, compared to FLOSS or the free online book

Re: [PD] Where is the object reference documentation?

2010-06-14 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
On Jun 14, 2010, at 6:53 AM, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: On Sun, 13 Jun 2010, Loic KESSOUS wrote: I did a few contributions, but not as much as I should have done :) I (and two other Montréalais) convinced some other French people to not touch pdpedia and just move on to something worth the

Re: [PD] Where is the object reference documentation?

2010-06-13 Thread Loic KESSOUS
pdpedia is for me the closest thing to an object reference documentation. But it's like one searchable file, like was (is? ) for example the max reference manual pdf. pdpedia need to be updated, some stuff is missing, I did a few contributions, but not as much as I should have done :) . I

Re: [PD] Where is the object reference documentation?

2010-06-13 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
pdpedia is definitely searchable, just like wikipedia. I search it often. I think some of the pdpedia content has fed to the FLOSS Manuals Pure Data book, if not other things. .hc On Jun 13, 2010, at 3:04 PM, Loic KESSOUS wrote: pdpedia is for me the closest thing to an object

Re: [PD] Where is the object reference documentation?

2010-06-13 Thread Loic KESSOUS
Le 13 juin 2010 à 21:20, Hans-Christoph Steiner a écrit : pdpedia is definitely searchable, just like wikipedia. yes, of course. but you need to be connected to the internet, you can't just have the one file ( or several) on your computer, except if you download a copy of the whole site

Re: [PD] Where is the object reference documentation?

2010-06-09 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
ha! well said indeed! So that's what happened... Hans says years later. .hc On Jun 7, 2010, at 7:21 AM, Derek Holzer wrote: I have to say that 90% of the work I've contributed to Pd and the FLOSS Manual has been motivated by a frustration with the current state of affairs. That's how

Re: [PD] Where is the object reference documentation?

2010-06-08 Thread Max
Am 08.06.2010 um 05:04 schrieb Funs Seelen: To give you a second opinion: Kreidler's work is brilliant to me. It's a book which has been printed (german) as well as put on the web (both german and an english translation). small correction: actually it's the other way round, the printed book

Re: [PD] Where is the object reference documentation?

2010-06-07 Thread Funs Seelen
As far as it concerns standards for documentation and especially coding, have a look at the pd-dev list. If you have experience with writing you can propose solutions there I guess. Also there have been threads about good documentation within this pd-list. I remember a discussion about help-files

Re: [PD] Where is the object reference documentation?

2010-06-07 Thread Dan Wilcox
On Jun 7, 2010, at 6:33 AM, Jim Aikin wrote: On 6/6/2010 8:42 PM, Funs Seelen wrote: Typing pure data object list in google leads you straight to the flossmanual, which contains useful documentation about pd (and other Free-Licensed-Open-Source-Software), including object-lists. For not

Re: [PD] Where is the object reference documentation?

2010-06-07 Thread Frank Barknecht
On Sun, Jun 06, 2010 at 08:05:23PM -0700, Jim Aikin wrote: Now that I have real-time MIDI working, I'm eager to start putting together the patch I need. But ... where is the documentation that lists the available objects? Once I know what object I want, I can create it and then right-click on

Re: [PD] Where is the object reference documentation?

2010-06-07 Thread João Pais
being the one who wrote that object list in floss, I can say that a complete list doesn't exist - objects get added each day to svn, and there's no submission comitee or any process that checks for the quality of the documentation (or even the quality of the object). if you're using

Re: [PD] Where is the object reference documentation?

2010-06-07 Thread Mathieu Bouchard
On Sun, 6 Jun 2010, Jim Aikin wrote: But then, I'm a professional writer. I have standards for how documentation ought to be written. Then congratulations, you may start to work on the manual. _ _ __ ___ _ _ _ ... | Mathieu Bouchard, Montréal,

Re: [PD] Where is the object reference documentation?

2010-06-07 Thread Mathieu Bouchard
On Mon, 7 Jun 2010, Funs Seelen wrote: As far as it concerns standards for documentation and especially coding, have a look at the pd-dev list. It's not essential to have pd-dev. It's basically a tiny list flooded by sourceforge notices. Comparatively very little stuff gets discussed on

Re: [PD] Where is the object reference documentation?

2010-06-07 Thread Jonathan Wilkes
...@sbcglobal.net Cc: pd-list@iem.at pd-list@iem.at Sent: Mon, June 7, 2010 1:35:46 PM Subject: Re: [PD] Where is the object reference documentation? On Sun, 6 Jun 2010, Jim Aikin wrote: But then, I'm a professional writer. I have standards for how documentation ought to be written

Re: [PD] Where is the object reference documentation?

2010-06-07 Thread Jim Aikin
On 6/7/2010 2:55 AM, João Pais wrote: further than that, there's this list, and also the pd chat. If you're a professional, your help and insight could be very useful for the pd community, in case you want/can get involved. with this kind of projects, if you don't like something, *you* can

Re: [PD] Where is the object reference documentation?

2010-06-07 Thread Jim Aikin
On 6/7/2010 1:13 AM, mark hadman wrote: On a blank canvas, Right Click - Help gets you a list of all vanilla objects. (This works on pure:dyne's version of pd, anyway...) Fantastic. Thanks! That will help a lot. --JA ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing

Re: [PD] Where is the object reference documentation?

2010-06-07 Thread Jim Aikin
On 6/7/2010 11:36 AM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: How exactly would one start to work on the Pd Manual? More specifically: What is the process by which a new, professionally written manual replaces the old, error-ridden manual? Replaces is perhaps not quite the right word. Last year I wrote and

Re: [PD] Where is the object reference documentation?

2010-06-07 Thread Derek Holzer
Get involved in the FLOSS Manual? D. On 6/7/10 8:36 PM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: How exactly would one start to work on the Pd Manual? More specifically: What is the process by which a new, professionally written manual replaces the old, error-ridden manual? -- ::: derek holzer :::

Re: [PD] Where is the object reference documentation?

2010-06-07 Thread Dan Wilcox
On Jun 7, 2010, at 9:04 PM, Jim Aikin wrote: I think that would probably be the way to go with Pd documentation as well -- some sort of handbook that gives users step-by-step instructions on all of the basic things they will need or want to do when getting started. Once they're up and

Re: [PD] Where is the object reference documentation?

2010-06-07 Thread Jim Aikin
On 6/7/2010 2:00 PM, Dan Wilcox wrote: On Jun 7, 2010, at 9:04 PM, Jim Aikin wrote: I think that would probably be the way to go with Pd documentation as well -- some sort of handbook that gives users step-by-step instructions on all of the basic things they will need or want to do when

Re: [PD] Where is the object reference documentation?

2010-06-07 Thread Derek Holzer
This is the exact goal of the FLOSS Manual. The site allows a PDF to be generated from the current status of the manual. I've been encouraging people not to reply solely on the images and patches, but to describe things in text as well in order to ensure its searchability. One caveat,

Re: [PD] Where is the object reference documentation?

2010-06-07 Thread Jonathan Wilkes
From: Derek Holzer de...@umatic.nl To: pd-list@iem.at Sent: Mon, June 7, 2010 12:53:42 PM Subject: Re: [PD] Where is the object reference documentation? Get involved in the FLOSS Manual? D. On 6/7/10 8:36 PM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: How exactly would one start to work

Re: [PD] Where is the object reference documentation?

2010-06-07 Thread Funs Seelen
Could be. I'll have a look at it -- thanks for the link. In general, however, I would suggest that a website-based multi-page manual is always a bad idea, for two reasons: First, because it's not searchable. Second, because it's an invitation to the author to jumble things up and leave some

Re: [PD] Where is the object reference documentation?

2010-06-06 Thread Funs Seelen
Typing pure data object list in google leads you straight to the flossmanual, which contains useful documentation about pd (and other Free-Licensed-Open-Source-Software), including object-lists. For not all existing libraries are in pd-extended probably not all existing objects will show up on the

Re: [PD] Where is the object reference documentation?

2010-06-06 Thread Jim Aikin
On 6/6/2010 8:42 PM, Funs Seelen wrote: Typing pure data object list in google leads you straight to the flossmanual, which contains useful documentation about pd (and other Free-Licensed-Open-Source-Software), including object-lists. For not all existing libraries are in pd-extended probably