Re: [PD] distinction Pd lingo: abstraction, subpatch, subwindow

By the way, I'm also defining abstractions as a type of external object, as opposed to a compiled object type. That makes sense, right? Em dom, 26 de ago de 2018 às 20:54, Alexandre Torres Porres < por...@gmail.com> escreveu: > This is what I always believed to be true, so I'm onboard with this,

Re: [PD] distinction Pd lingo: abstraction, subpatch, subwindow

This is what I always believed to be true, so I'm onboard with this, and I've also extensively written this in Pd documentations. Currently I'm translating my portuguese tutorials to english and I'm just gonna stick to the subpatch/abstraction definition as this. Max, please go ahead and make that

Re: [PD] distinction Pd lingo: abstraction, subpatch, subwindow

Likewise. Is there anyone opposing? On 13.08.2018 13:23, Matt Davey wrote: Totally agree with Dan on all points. On Mon, 13 Aug 2018 at 12:32, Dan Wilcox > wrote: My 2 cents: * "subpatch" to me refers to [pd ...] aka a patch within a patch, saved with

Re: [PD] distinction Pd lingo: abstraction, subpatch, subwindow

Totally agree with Dan on all points. On Mon, 13 Aug 2018 at 12:32, Dan Wilcox wrote: > My 2 cents: > > * "subpatch" to me refers to [pd ...] aka a patch within a patch, saved > within the same patch file that uses it (no object instantiation) > > * "abstraction" to me refers to a patch saved to

Re: [PD] distinction Pd lingo: abstraction, subpatch, subwindow

My 2 cents: * "subpatch" to me refers to [pd ...] aka a patch within a patch, saved within the same patch file that uses it (no object instantiation) * "abstraction" to me refers to a patch saved to and loaded from it's own file (object instantiation) * using "subpatches and abstractions" when

Re: [PD] distinction Pd lingo: abstraction, subpatch, subwindow

Long ago I've learned (from the FLOSS manual?) about 'encapsulated' subpatch' as opposed to abstraction. Beautiful word, but a bit long. When compared to a language like C, an encapsulated subpatch is the equivalent of code folding, visually hiding the content. Whereas an abstraction is like a func

Re: [PD] distinction Pd lingo: abstraction, subpatch, subwindow

What about 'canvas'? > Gesendet: Sonntag, 12. August 2018 um 20:01 Uhr > Von: Max > An: "Miller Puckette" > Cc: pd-list@lists.iem.at > Betreff: Re: [PD] distinction Pd lingo: abstraction, subpatch, subwindow > > I see, then maybe we are better off w

Re: [PD] distinction Pd lingo: abstraction, subpatch, subwindow

I see, then maybe we are better off without umbrella term and just refer to subpatches and abstractions as "subpatches and abstractions". m. On 12.08.2018 19:58, Miller Puckette wrote: Trouble might be that there are other forms of subwindows (array, text) that aren't patches. So we'd need a

Re: [PD] distinction Pd lingo: abstraction, subpatch, subwindow

Trouble might be that there are other forms of subwindows (array, text) that aren't patches. So we'd need a term for 'a subwindow that's a patch'. Maybe 'patch subwindow'? But that's so close to 'subpatch' that it would make everythig worse I think. cheers M On Sun, Aug 12, 2018 at 07:00:36PM

Re: [PD] distinction Pd lingo: abstraction, subpatch, subwindow

May I propose subwindow as an umbrella term for both abstractions and subpatches? Both terms should be either hyphenated or not. I am fine with not hyphenating them, but as a native German speaker I might have a bias towards sticking words together. m. On 12.08.2018 18:45, Miller Puckette w

Re: [PD] distinction Pd lingo: abstraction, subpatch, subwindow

Well, (adopting for the moment subpatch/abstraction for the larger class and one-off subpatch for the more specific one of a non-abstraction)... I imagine that more things are true of subpatch/abstractions (they have subwindows, inlets, outlets; and their run-time semantics are identical) than are

Re: [PD] distinction Pd lingo: abstraction, subpatch, subwindow

Hi Miller, thanks for chiming in. On 12.08.2018 00:54, Miller Puckette wrote: I think the best terminology is "sub-patch" for either an abstraction or for a one-off subpatch. (But then we probably need a better term for 'one-off'; maybe 'ad hoc'? may I ask the rationale for it? I believe a c

Re: [PD] distinction Pd lingo: abstraction, subpatch, subwindow

I think the best terminology is "sub-patch" for eitehr an abstraction or for a one-off subpatch. (But then we probably need a better term for 'one-off'; maybe 'ad hoc'? cheers Miller On Tue, Aug 07, 2018 at 01:44:18PM +0200, Max wrote: > In the Pd documentation the word > > abstraction is found

Re: [PD] distinction Pd lingo: abstraction, subpatch, subwindow

In the Pd documentation the word abstraction is found 1859 times subpatch is found 2142 times sub-patch is found 45 times subwindow is found 24 times sub-window is found 1 time (that's in the html document, where it occurs 3 times hyphenated and 1 time not hyphenated) For reference: Definition

Re: [PD] distinction Pd lingo: abstraction, subpatch, subwindow

OK, let me try myself, please correct me: An abstraction is a Pd patch which is used like an object in another Pd patch. A subpatch is saved within the main patch and is constructed with [pd {name}]. Multiple subpatches with the same name may coexist. Subwindow is the umbrella term for both