Re: So wrong

2012-01-20 Thread Keith Whaley
knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: It certainly rubs me the wrong way. I just don't know what she's up to (other than to make money - not that there's anything wrong with that). It's late and I'm not so articulate just now. Perhaps I'll sleep on it and come up with a pithier response tomorrow.

Re: New Pentax EVIL rumor, with specs

2012-01-20 Thread Bong Manayon
On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 11:52 PM, Steven Desjardins drd1...@gmail.com wrote: Supposedly K mount and a K-5 quality sensor: http://www.mirrorlessrumors.com/hot-pentax-k-01-mirrorless-camera-coming-soon/ More...

Re: PAW106 - Stop

2012-01-20 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Interesting and fascinating. I love the tone and the composition. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 4:04 PM, DagT li...@thrane.name wrote: http://www.thrane.name/Pictures/PAW/files/page7-1000-full.html K-5, DA70mm, 1/250s, f/11, ISO100.

Re: New Pentax EVIL rumor, with specs

2012-01-20 Thread Steven Desjardins
Black with yellow leather? The Bumblebee model? I'm in! ;-) It looks like they leaned toward functionality. Now the problem might be the other side, i.e., if it's too big not to just buy the DSLR. On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 5:21 AM, Bong Manayon bongmana...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jan 19,

Re: PESO - Red Rocket

2012-01-20 Thread Cotty
On 19/1/12, frank theriault, discombobulated, unleashed: Red Rocket is what we call our streetcars. I think the name started off as being somewhat derisive, but it stuck and is now used with great affection. Here's one under the Queen/Dufferin underpass:

Re: So wrong

2012-01-20 Thread Ann Sanfedele
On 1/19/2012 23:38, Kenneth Waller wrote: What's next? Will she produce BW images from someones color prints? Seems wrong to me. she should go out and produce some original work of her own ! I think I'm in this camp too... Remember the film colorization mess a few years back?? I think

So wrong, also ?

2012-01-20 Thread Ann Sanfedele
So on the Scrabble discuss list last week someone posted this link http://www.thisiscolossal.com/2012/01/hyper-realistic-paintings-by-steve-mills/ I found it hard to believe. so what is going on here? I think this guy used a projector to project a photo he took (the first one I might find

Re: So wrong, also ?

2012-01-20 Thread Bong Manayon
At least it was his own photograph that he painted. This is interesting because photography, before they discovered silver and hypo, was simply taking a camera obscura and using it as a tracing tool. On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 9:40 PM, Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com wrote: So on the Scrabble

Re: PESO - Red Rocket

2012-01-20 Thread Bruce Walker
This shot *really* works for me, Frank. I like how much lines dominate this scene, the motion blur, and the way the blurs and shake make for a softness that neatly abstractifies [*] this image. The only suggestion I'd make would be to burn, perhaps blur or otherwise reduce the contrast of the

Re: So wrong, also ?

2012-01-20 Thread Paul Sorenson
Hmmm - a techie version of paint by numbers? -p On 1/20/2012 7:40 AM, Ann Sanfedele wrote: So on the Scrabble discuss list last week someone posted this link http://www.thisiscolossal.com/2012/01/hyper-realistic-paintings-by-steve-mills/ I found it hard to believe. so what is going on here?

Re: So wrong

2012-01-20 Thread Kenneth Waller
I don't know, but it would seem there are copyright issues in what she's doing. -Original Message- From: Ann Sanfedele Subject: Re: So wrong On 1/19/2012 23:38, Kenneth Waller wrote: What's next? Will she produce BW images from someones color prints? Seems wrong to me. she

re: red-rocket

2012-01-20 Thread Don Guthrie
Like the red color the pedestrian and the two bars across the top of frame. Everything says color in motion. On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 6:49 PM, frank theriault knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: Red Rocket is what we call our streetcars. ?I think the name started off as being somewhat derisive, but

Re: So wrong

2012-01-20 Thread Paul Stenquist
On Jan 20, 2012, at 10:35 AM, Kenneth Waller wrote: I don't know, but it would seem there are copyright issues in what she's doing. I doubt it. I would assume either she has permission or the copyrights have expired. She's doing it very publicly. And very well IMO. Quite Obviously, a lot

Re: So wrong, also ?

2012-01-20 Thread Paul Stenquist
On Jan 20, 2012, at 10:18 AM, Paul Sorenson wrote: Hmmm - a techie version of paint by numbers? -p My, the list is judgmental today. Painting with a projector and a photograph is nothing like painting by numbers. More accurately, it could be considered a contemporary version of the camera

Re: So wrong, also ?

2012-01-20 Thread Matthew Hunt
On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 8:40 AM, Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com wrote: http://www.thisiscolossal.com/2012/01/hyper-realistic-paintings-by-steve-mills/ What say you guys? I can't really get into it, either. I wrote a bit when I first learned of his work:

Re: PESO - Red Rocket

2012-01-20 Thread David J Brooks
Great shot. Good colours and excellent motion to this one. Dave On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 9:49 PM, frank theriault knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: Red Rocket is what we call our streetcars.  I think the name started off as being somewhat derisive, but it stuck and is now used with great

Re: New Pentax EVIL rumor, with specs

2012-01-20 Thread Tom C
http://www.mirrorlessrumors.com/hot-pentax-k-01-mirrorless-camera-coming-soon/ More... http://m.techradar.com/news/photography-video-capture/pentax-k-01-mirrorless-camera-revealed-in-february--1056080 -- Bong Manayon http://bong.manayon.net If true, does anyone else have a bit of a

Re: So wrong

2012-01-20 Thread Larry Colen, l...@red4est.com (From Droid)
I'd say that it's right up there with cat photos. Seriously a lot of the same arguments against coloring photos could be made against photos as art, rather than painting. Did Dylan get upset when the Byrds or Hendrix did better versions of his songs? If someone colorized my van when it was

Re: New Pentax EVIL rumor, with specs

2012-01-20 Thread Larry Colen, l...@red4est.com (From Droid)
I can see a few reasons. The kx is right on the verge of pocketability, the k5 is slightly too large. A little smaller and a better shape could make a big difference. Face recognition on focus It could be cheaper to build Manual focus in low light The k5 doesn't have a lot of gaps in its

Re: So wrong

2012-01-20 Thread Mark Roberts
Paul Stenquist wrote: On Jan 20, 2012, at 10:35 AM, Kenneth Waller wrote: I don't know, but it would seem there are copyright issues in what she's doing. Quite Obviously, a lot of skill and artistic ability is required to achieve the results she's accomplished. Nope. It's very easy to do

Re: New Pentax EVIL rumor, with specs

2012-01-20 Thread Mark Roberts
Tom C wrote: Assuming I had a K-5, what would induce me to buy a mirrorless system that is essentially in all other respects, a K-5? The K5 being discontinued? -- Mark Roberts - Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: New Pentax EVIL rumor, with specs

2012-01-20 Thread John Sessoms
From: Bong Manayon On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 11:52 PM, Steven Desjardins drd1...@gmail.com wrote: Supposedly K mount and a K-5 quality sensor: http://www.mirrorlessrumors.com/hot-pentax-k-01-mirrorless-camera-coming-soon/ More...

Re: New Pentax EVIL rumor, with specs

2012-01-20 Thread Paul Stenquist
On Jan 20, 2012, at 1:57 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: Tom C wrote: Assuming I had a K-5, what would induce me to buy a mirrorless system that is essentially in all other respects, a K-5? The K5 being discontinued? If no DSLR upgrade were introduced, that would induce me to sell my gear and

Re: So wrong

2012-01-20 Thread Paul Stenquist
On Jan 20, 2012, at 1:55 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: Paul Stenquist wrote: On Jan 20, 2012, at 10:35 AM, Kenneth Waller wrote: I don't know, but it would seem there are copyright issues in what she's doing. Quite Obviously, a lot of skill and artistic ability is required to achieve

Re: So wrong

2012-01-20 Thread Mark Roberts
Paul Stenquist wrote: On Jan 20, 2012, at 1:55 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: Paul Stenquist wrote: On Jan 20, 2012, at 10:35 AM, Kenneth Waller wrote: I don't know, but it would seem there are copyright issues in what she's doing. Quite Obviously, a lot of skill and artistic ability is

Re: New Pentax EVIL rumor, with specs

2012-01-20 Thread Bruce Walker
On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 1:59 PM, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: On Jan 20, 2012, at 1:57 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: Tom C wrote: Assuming I had a K-5, what would induce me to buy a mirrorless system that is essentially in all other respects, a K-5? The K5 being discontinued?

Re: So wrong

2012-01-20 Thread Joseph McAllister
On Jan 20, 2012, at 07:55 , Paul Stenquist wrote: On Jan 20, 2012, at 10:35 AM, Kenneth Waller wrote: I don't know, but it would seem there are copyright issues in what she's doing. I doubt it. I would assume either she has permission or the copyrights have expired. She's doing it

Re: New Pentax EVIL rumor, with specs

2012-01-20 Thread Steven Desjardins
It makes some sense if the new EVIL body is a smaller, lighter body with K5 innards and this is accompanied by the release of a new DSLR. The new line has a lower end model which is mirrorless and the higher spec model which is a DSLR. Effectively, this new mirrorless model is replacing the K-r

Re: New Pentax EVIL rumor, with specs

2012-01-20 Thread Steven Desjardins
No one seems to know if it has a built in EVF, aside from the LCD. From what I've seem with other companies, not mentioning the EVF means that it's not built in and is only an add-on if it exists at all. OTOH, who knows the nature of this rumor? I always wonder if the company floats these rumors

Re: New Pentax EVIL rumor, with specs

2012-01-20 Thread Jack Davis
What Paul said.   Jack - Original Message - From: Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Cc: Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 10:59 AM Subject: Re: New Pentax EVIL rumor, with specs On Jan 20, 2012, at 1:57 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: Tom C

Re: New Pentax EVIL rumor, with specs

2012-01-20 Thread Cotty
On 20/1/12, John Sessoms, discombobulated, unleashed: I can live without the mirror, but without a viewfinder it's no use to me. I never thought I'd say this but I agree with John Sessoms. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche --

Re: New Pentax EVIL rumor, with specs

2012-01-20 Thread Cotty
On 20/1/12, Cotty, discombobulated, unleashed: I never thought I'd say this but I agree with John Sessoms. Mark. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List

Re: So wrong, also ?

2012-01-20 Thread Cotty
On 20/1/12, Paul Stenquist, discombobulated, unleashed: My, the list is judgmental today. MARK. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: New Pentax EVIL rumor, with specs

2012-01-20 Thread Larry Colen
If Mark included every I never thought I'd agree with ... quote there wouldn't be room in the list for anything else. On Jan 20, 2012, at 11:38 AM, Cotty wrote: On 20/1/12, Cotty, discombobulated, unleashed: I never thought I'd say this but I agree with John Sessoms. Mark. --

Re: New Pentax EVIL rumor, with specs

2012-01-20 Thread Steven Desjardins
I find Bruce's comment bothersome. (Sorry Bruce.) Pentax would never abandon the SLR format completely, but I'm not so sure about Ricoh. I hope they would at least run both for a while before completely converting to mirrorless. On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 2:38 PM, Cotty cotty...@mac.com wrote:

Re: So wrong

2012-01-20 Thread Paul Stenquist
On Jan 20, 2012, at 2:11 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: Paul Stenquist wrote: On Jan 20, 2012, at 1:55 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: Paul Stenquist wrote: On Jan 20, 2012, at 10:35 AM, Kenneth Waller wrote: I don't know, but it would seem there are copyright issues in what she's doing.

Re: New Pentax EVIL rumor, with specs

2012-01-20 Thread Collin Brendemuehl
I find Bruce's comment bothersome. (Sorry Bruce.) Pentax would never abandon the SLR format completely, but I'm not so sure about Ricoh. I hope they would at least run both for a while before completely converting to mirrorless. The assumption seems absurd, even for Ricoh. What seems more a

Re: New Pentax EVIL rumor, with specs

2012-01-20 Thread Paul Stenquist
On Jan 20, 2012, at 2:28 PM, Steven Desjardins wrote: It makes some sense if the new EVIL body is a smaller, lighter body with K5 innards and this is accompanied by the release of a new DSLR. The new line has a lower end model which is mirrorless and the higher spec model which is a DSLR.

Re: New Pentax EVIL rumor, with specs

2012-01-20 Thread Steven Desjardins
I'm hoping for this. I'd really like to see Pentax try a plastic version of what Fuji just released (the X Pro 1) with a built in EVF. I think Fuji is going after the M9, but I don't' think Pentax has the mojo for that. On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 2:54 PM, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net

Re: So wrong

2012-01-20 Thread Larry Colen
On Jan 20, 2012, at 10:55 AM, Mark Roberts wrote: Paul Stenquist wrote: On Jan 20, 2012, at 10:35 AM, Kenneth Waller wrote: I don't know, but it would seem there are copyright issues in what she's doing. Quite Obviously, a lot of skill and artistic ability is required to achieve

Re: So wrong

2012-01-20 Thread Mark Roberts
Paul Stenquist wrote: On Jan 20, 2012, at 2:11 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: Paul Stenquist wrote: On Jan 20, 2012, at 1:55 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: Paul Stenquist wrote: On Jan 20, 2012, at 10:35 AM, Kenneth Waller wrote: I don't know, but it would seem there are copyright issues in what

Re: So wrong

2012-01-20 Thread knarftheria...@gmail.com
The very nature of performing arts means that works are often interpreted by someone other than the writer/composer. The performers are artists in their own rights. Works are interpreted and presented from the unique perspective of the performer(s). The visual arts are such that a finished

Re: So wrong

2012-01-20 Thread Paul Stenquist
On Jan 20, 2012, at 3:05 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: Paul Stenquist wrote: On Jan 20, 2012, at 2:11 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: Paul Stenquist wrote: On Jan 20, 2012, at 1:55 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: Paul Stenquist wrote: On Jan 20, 2012, at 10:35 AM, Kenneth Waller wrote: I don't

Re: So wrong

2012-01-20 Thread Paul Stenquist
On Jan 20, 2012, at 3:08 PM, knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: The very nature of performing arts means that works are often interpreted by someone other than the writer/composer. The performers are artists in their own rights. Works are interpreted and presented from the unique perspective

Re: New Pentax EVIL rumor, with specs

2012-01-20 Thread Tom C
From: Larry Colen, l...@red4est.com (From Droid) l...@red4est.com I can see a few reasons. The kx is right on the verge of pocketability, the k5 is slightly too large. A little smaller and a better shape could make a big difference. Face recognition on focus It could be cheaper to build

Re: New Pentax EVIL rumor, with specs

2012-01-20 Thread David Parsons
If there is no mirror, it's pretty hard to have an optical viewfinder. Unless you are talking about it being a rangefinder (which I don't see Pentax doing), without a mirror, it's going to be an EVF. I doubt that Pentax has anything to do with these rumors. People love to speculate. On Fri,

Re: New Pentax EVIL rumor, with specs

2012-01-20 Thread Tom C
Tom C wrote: Assuming I had a K-5, what would induce me to buy a mirrorless system that is essentially in all other respects, a K-5? The K5 being discontinued? If no DSLR upgrade were introduced, that would induce me to sell my gear and go to Nikon. Paul I never thought I'd agree with

Re: So wrong, also ?

2012-01-20 Thread Charles Robinson
On Jan 20, 2012, at 7:40, Ann Sanfedele wrote: So on the Scrabble discuss list last week someone posted this link http://www.thisiscolossal.com/2012/01/hyper-realistic-paintings-by-steve-mills/ My biggest issue with this is that shelterisland isn't a real word! -Charles -- Charles

Re: New Pentax EVIL rumor, with specs

2012-01-20 Thread steve harley
on 2012-01-20 12:45 Steven Desjardins wrote I find Bruce's comment bothersome. (Sorry Bruce.) Pentax would never abandon the SLR format completely, but I'm not so sure about Ricoh. I hope they would at least run both for a while before completely converting to mirrorless. in ten years or

Re: New Pentax EVIL rumor, with specs

2012-01-20 Thread steve harley
on 2012-01-20 12:53 Collin Brendemuehl wrote *Make the camera a real computing device* and not just a PC peripheral. That's my plan. Why won't they listen to me? that age is upon us, just not in the DSLR realm yet -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: So wrong

2012-01-20 Thread Mark Roberts
Mark Roberts wrote: she replaced all the various grays with color elements of different tonal values. Look at the color detail she created in the Times Square buildings. Not easy by any stretch of the imagination. Layers. Displacement masks. Blend modes. That should be displacement *maps*,

Re: New Pentax EVIL rumor, with specs

2012-01-20 Thread John Francis
On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 10:54:03AM -0700, Tom C wrote: If true, does anyone else have a bit of a problem understanding this strategy? Assuming I had a K-5, what would induce me to buy a mirrorless system that is essentially in all other respects, a K-5? And likely without the

Re: An Interview with Pentax's John Carlson

2012-01-20 Thread Darren Addy
Somehow missed this thread, but just read the interview. This quote is interesting to me: If you look purely at what we're hearing from customers, there's a lot of demand for longer focal lengths. Something like 300mm f/2.8, something like that. As far as what's on the road map, it's not

Re: So wrong

2012-01-20 Thread Darren Addy
Where will all this end? The next thing you know people will be calling sculptures of Brillo Boxes and screen prints of Campbell's Tomato Soup cans art! Darren Addy Kearney, Nebraska -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE

RE: So wrong

2012-01-20 Thread Bob W
I'd say that it's right up there with cat photos. Black white cats painted ginger, perhaps. Seriously a lot of the same arguments against coloring photos could be made against photos as art, rather than painting. Did Dylan get upset when the Byrds or Hendrix did better versions of his

Re: So wrong, also ?

2012-01-20 Thread Larry Colen
On Jan 20, 2012, at 8:55 AM, Matthew Hunt wrote: On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 8:40 AM, Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com wrote: http://www.thisiscolossal.com/2012/01/hyper-realistic-paintings-by-steve-mills/ What say you guys? I can't really get into it, either. I wrote a bit when I first

K7/Kr

2012-01-20 Thread Collin Brendemuehl
Those earlier pics from the work area with the vertical interference line ... Looking @ the images again ... the sensor apparently has a number of frozen/hot (red/green) pixels. Well, we took back the K7 and got a new Kr. Today I took it out to the same area. No pixel issues. No vertical

Re: An Interview with Pentax's John Carlson

2012-01-20 Thread Larry Colen
I missed it too the first time around, thanks for the heads up. I had to search for the link. If anyone else missed it http://www.imaging-resource.com/news/2012/01/12/imaging-resource-interviewjohn-carlson-pentax On Jan 20, 2012, at 12:48 PM, Darren Addy wrote: Somehow missed this thread,

Re: So wrong, also ?

2012-01-20 Thread steve harley
on 2012-01-20 06:40 Ann Sanfedele wrote So on the Scrabble discuss list last week someone posted this link http://www.thisiscolossal.com/2012/01/hyper-realistic-paintings-by-steve-mills/ hyperrealism is an established movement in painting; the artists do usually work from photos, but i don't

RE: So wrong, also ?

2012-01-20 Thread Bob W
http://www.thisiscolossal.com/2012/01/hyper-realistic-paintings-by- steve-mills/ What say you guys? I can't really get into it, either. I wrote a bit when I first learned of his work: http://scotchtape.ductwhisky.com/2011/06/on-photorealism.html all modern art is an ongoing

Re: So wrong

2012-01-20 Thread Ann Sanfedele
On 1/20/2012 15:13, Paul Stenquist wrote: Agreed. No one has to like it or feel good about it. But it's not wrong or immoral. Just to be picky -- immoral and wrong are not always the same thing right? ann:-) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

RE: So wrong, also ?

2012-01-20 Thread Bob W
So on the Scrabble discuss list last week someone posted this link http://www.thisiscolossal.com/2012/01/hyper-realistic-paintings-by- steve-mills/ I found it hard to believe. so what is going on here? I think this guy used a projector to project a photo he took (the first one I might

Re: So wrong, also ?

2012-01-20 Thread Ann Sanfedele
On 1/20/2012 15:36, Charles Robinson wrote: On Jan 20, 2012, at 7:40, Ann Sanfedele wrote: So on the Scrabble discuss list last week someone posted this link http://www.thisiscolossal.com/2012/01/hyper-realistic-paintings-by-steve-mills/ My biggest issue with this is that shelterisland

RE: So wrong

2012-01-20 Thread Bob W
On 1/20/2012 15:13, Paul Stenquist wrote: Agreed. No one has to like it or feel good about it. But it's not wrong or immoral. Just to be picky -- immoral and wrong are not always the same thing right? ann:-) Immoral is where the Royal Family go for Scottish holidays. Wrong

Re: So wrong

2012-01-20 Thread Paul Stenquist
On Jan 20, 2012, at 4:18 PM, Ann Sanfedele wrote: On 1/20/2012 15:13, Paul Stenquist wrote: Agreed. No one has to like it or feel good about it. But it's not wrong or immoral. Just to be picky -- immoral and wrong are not always the same thing right? I see the smiley, but

Re: So wrong, also ?

2012-01-20 Thread steve harley
on 2012-01-20 13:36 Charles Robinson wrote On Jan 20, 2012, at 7:40, Ann Sanfedele wrote: So on the Scrabble discuss list last week someone posted this link http://www.thisiscolossal.com/2012/01/hyper-realistic-paintings-by-steve-mills/ My biggest issue with this is that shelterisland

Re: An Interview with Pentax's John Carlson

2012-01-20 Thread Paul Stenquist
Interesting. I like what he said about long, fast glass for the APS-C cameras. And based on that interview, it certainly doesn't sound like DSLRs are going away. Paul On Jan 20, 2012, at 4:08 PM, Larry Colen wrote: I missed it too the first time around, thanks for the heads up. I had to

Re: OT AfterShot: Lightroom Aperture alternative

2012-01-20 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 3:28 PM, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Darren Addy I'm all for competition (and a lower priced product) but some of the COMMENTS on this page give me reason to pause...

Re: So wrong

2012-01-20 Thread Ann Sanfedele
On 1/20/2012 15:52, Bob W wrote: I'd say that it's right up there with cat photos. Black white cats painted ginger, perhaps. ohoh, you've been looking at graphic arts gallery. http://annsan.smugmug.com/Graphic-Design/Anns-design-work/3346046_7HfWvF/1/1158685402_HS4MX/Medium But it is

Re: New Pentax EVIL rumor, with specs

2012-01-20 Thread knarftheria...@gmail.com
MARK! cheers, frank, just kidding, but I couldn't resist. :-) --- Original Message --- From: Larry Colen l...@red4est.com Sent: January 20, 2012 1/20/12 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: New Pentax EVIL rumor, with specs If Mark included every I never thought I'd agree

Re: So wrong

2012-01-20 Thread Christine Aguila
Too funny, Bob. Thanks! I'm at a meeting waiting for it to start, so thanks for the giggle. Cheers, Christine On Jan 20, 2012, at 3:25 PM, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: On 1/20/2012 15:13, Paul Stenquist wrote: Agreed. No one has to like it or feel good about it. But it's not wrong

Fs Friday

2012-01-20 Thread Ann Sanfedele
Listed the flash on ebay http://www.ebay.com/itm/190629059884?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649 ebay was annoying me trying to get me to add item specifics for this but their item specific thingy said this was for a CANON... however, it stayed up. still have sundry filters

Re: So wrong

2012-01-20 Thread Paul Stenquist
On Jan 20, 2012, at 4:35 PM, Ann Sanfedele wrote: On 1/20/2012 15:52, Bob W wrote: I'd say that it's right up there with cat photos. Black white cats painted ginger, perhaps. ohoh, you've been looking at graphic arts gallery.

Re: So wrong

2012-01-20 Thread Ann Sanfedele
On 1/20/2012 16:25, Paul Stenquist wrote: On Jan 20, 2012, at 4:18 PM, Ann Sanfedele wrote: On 1/20/2012 15:13, Paul Stenquist wrote: Agreed. No one has to like it or feel good about it. But it's not wrong or immoral. Just to be picky -- immoral and wrong are not always the same

Re: New Pentax EVIL rumor, with specs

2012-01-20 Thread Christine Aguila
I guess I agree with Paul, but I have to say it would break my heart to see the K5 to go away with no upgrade to follow. I'd probably use my Pentax gear until I couldn't any more, then switch. Cheers, Christine On Jan 20, 2012, at 12:59 PM, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote:

Re: OT AfterShot: Lightroom Aperture alternative

2012-01-20 Thread Bruce Walker
I have Corel to thank for becoming a huge fan of Framemaker. My wife and I were fully invested Ventura Publisher users until not too long after Corel bought it. They screwed it into the ground. We settled on Framemaker after that and still use it to this day. I'm very unhappy that Adobe

Re: New Pentax EVIL rumor, with specs

2012-01-20 Thread Steven Desjardins
Let's hope for this one: http://www.mirrorlessrumors.com/i-hope-marc-newson-can-make-a-better-pentax-k-design-than-that-one/ On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 5:00 PM, Christine Aguila christ...@caguila.com wrote: I guess I agree with Paul, but I have to say it would break my heart to see the K5 to go

Re: So wrong, also ?

2012-01-20 Thread Joseph McAllister
If you want words for Scrabble play, use Dave's posts as a reference! :-) There is also apiece I havent read yet Or your own… :-) On Jan 20, 2012, at 13:21 , Ann Sanfedele wrote: On 1/20/2012 15:36, Charles Robinson wrote: On Jan 20, 2012, at 7:40, Ann Sanfedele wrote: So on the

Re: New Pentax EVIL rumor, with specs

2012-01-20 Thread Stan Halpin
The same source reported, on March 30 2011, that the Pentax K-mount APS-C mirrorless would be released in the summer of 2011. On Jan 20, 2012, at 5:44 PM, Steven Desjardins wrote: Let's hope for this one:

Re: New Pentax EVIL rumor, with specs

2012-01-20 Thread Stan Halpin
Like she said. I have a mirrorless camera - the PEN EP-L2. Like most compact cameras, it is designed to be held at arms length in front of you while you try to obtain sharp focus on an LCD screen made unreadable by glare. And/or by presbyopia. It has a clunky add-on EVF which works reasonable

Re: So wrong, also ?

2012-01-20 Thread Ann Sanfedele
On 1/20/2012 18:04, Joseph McAllister wrote: If you want words for Scrabble play, use Dave's posts as a reference! :-) There is also apiece I havent read yet Or your own… :-) yeahyeahyeah :-) ann On Jan 20, 2012, at 13:21 , Ann Sanfedele wrote: On 1/20/2012 15:36, Charles

Re: So wrong, also ?

2012-01-20 Thread Igor Roshchin
I suspect Paul knows this, but in case other people don't... A few years ago, a physicist Charles Falco in collaboration with David Hockney (artist and art historian), has demonstrated that a lot of renaissance artists were using lenses and mirrors to project images - so that they can paint

RE: So wrong, also ?

2012-01-20 Thread Bob W
From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Igor Roshchin I suspect Paul knows this, but in case other people don't... A few years ago, a physicist Charles Falco in collaboration with David Hockney (artist and art historian), has demonstrated that a lot of

Re: New Pentax EVIL rumor, with specs

2012-01-20 Thread Christine Aguila
Well that's depressing. On Jan 20, 2012, at 4:44 PM, Steven Desjardins drd1...@gmail.com wrote: Let's hope for this one: http://www.mirrorlessrumors.com/i-hope-marc-newson-can-make-a-better-pentax-k-design-than-that-one/ On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 5:00 PM, Christine Aguila

Just ordered a K-r

2012-01-20 Thread Ralf R. Radermacher
Hi all, just a short one to let you know that I'm still alive. I have just ordered a K-r. Not for myself but for MIchael who had been using my K10D since I got the K-7. Unfortunately the K10D has developed an electronics problem and after the OK button stopped working months ago (Pentax quoted

Re: Just ordered a K-r

2012-01-20 Thread Larry Colen
On Jan 20, 2012, at 4:54 PM, Ralf R. Radermacher wrote: Hi all, just a short one to let you know that I'm still alive. I have just ordered a K-r. Not for myself but for MIchael who had been using my K10D since I got the K-7. Very cool. The K-r is really a sweet little camera. Who is

Re: An Interview with Pentax's John Carlson

2012-01-20 Thread Christine Aguila
Thanks. I missed it too. Cheers , Christine On Jan 20, 2012, at 3:08 PM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: I missed it too the first time around, thanks for the heads up. I had to search for the link. If anyone else missed it

Re: New Pentax EVIL rumor, with specs

2012-01-20 Thread Steven Desjardins
You have to do better than that, Christine. To which depressing thing are you referring? ;-) On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 7:50 PM, Christine Aguila christ...@caguila.com wrote: Well that's depressing. On Jan 20, 2012, at 4:44 PM, Steven Desjardins drd1...@gmail.com wrote: Let's hope for this

Re: An Interview with Pentax's John Carlson

2012-01-20 Thread Christine Aguila
Good to hear, but there's nothing like a good despair to clear the nasal passages:-). Cheers, Christine On Jan 20, 2012, at 3:33 PM, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: Interesting. I like what he said about long, fast glass for the APS-C cameras. And based on that interview,

Re: An Interview with Pentax's John Carlson

2012-01-20 Thread Bruce Walker
A few lines from one of my fave movies, Burn After Reading, come to mind here ... CIA Superior: What did we learn, Palmer? CIA Officer: I don't know, sir. CIA Superior: I don't fuckin' know either. I guess we learned not to do it again On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 8:13 PM, Christine Aguila

Re: New Pentax EVIL rumor, with specs

2012-01-20 Thread Christine Aguila
Well, I think that's a butt ugly camera. Cheers, Christine :-) On Jan 20, 2012, at 7:08 PM, Steven Desjardins drd1...@gmail.com wrote: You have to do better than that, Christine. To which depressing thing are you referring? ;-) On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 7:50 PM, Christine Aguila

Freebie Friday: 6 gigs DDR-3 Memory

2012-01-20 Thread Mark C
I have 3 sticks of 2 gigabyte memory which was displaced when I upgraded my PC's ram last weekend. They are labelled Kingston KVR1333D3E9S/2G - 6 gigs total of matched RAM. Matched as in bought together - same production run etc. 9 chips on each stick. They work fine. It does not look like

Re: New Pentax EVIL rumor, with specs

2012-01-20 Thread John Sessoms
From: Paul Stenquist On Jan 20, 2012, at 1:57 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: Tom C wrote: Assuming I had a K-5, what would induce me to buy a mirrorless system that is essentially in all other respects, a K-5? The K5 being discontinued? If no DSLR upgrade were introduced, that would induce me

Re: New Pentax EVIL rumor, with specs

2012-01-20 Thread John Sessoms
From: Steven Desjardins It makes some sense if the new EVIL body is a smaller, lighter body with K5 innards and this is accompanied by the release of a new DSLR. The new line has a lower end model which is mirrorless and the higher spec model which is a DSLR. Effectively, this new mirrorless

Re: New Pentax EVIL rumor, with specs

2012-01-20 Thread John Sessoms
The specs look like it's going to be one of those hold it out at arms length squint at the little TV screen on the back cameras. From: David Parsons If there is no mirror, it's pretty hard to have an optical viewfinder. Unless you are talking about it being a rangefinder (which I don't see

Re: An Interview with Pentax's John Carlson

2012-01-20 Thread John Sessoms
From: Darren Addy Somehow missed this thread, but just read the interview. Haven't seen it in the digests prior to your reply. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and

Re: New Pentax EVIL rumor, with specs

2012-01-20 Thread knarftheria...@gmail.com
I've been on this list for about 11 or 12 years now and I've seen variations of this thread more times than I can count. They all start with a rumour. Then we wail and gnash our teeth: Pentax is abandoning the enthusiast market! I'll have to sell or get rid of my valueless Pentax gear and buy

Re: New Pentax EVIL rumor, with specs

2012-01-20 Thread Doug Franklin
On 2012-01-20 22:22, knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: I've been on this list for about 11 or 12 years now and I've seen variations of this thread more times than I can count. They all start with a rumour. Then we wail and gnash our teeth: If nothing else, a couple of years of mandatory

Re: New Pentax EVIL rumor, with specs

2012-01-20 Thread David Parsons
Heh, that's why I respond to any rumor with: I'll believe it when I see it. On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 10:28 PM, Doug Franklin do...@nutdriver.org wrote: On 2012-01-20 22:22, knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: I've been on this list for about 11 or 12 years now and I've seen variations of this

Re: New Pentax EVIL rumor, with specs

2012-01-20 Thread Darren Addy
On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 7:39 PM, Christine Aguila christ...@caguila.com wrote: Well, I think that's a butt ugly camera.  Cheers, Christine :-) Naw. Now THIS is a butt ugly camera: http://www.pacificrimcamera.com/pp/omega120/omega120.htm Obligatory Pentax content: One man's opinion -

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