PESO here's one for Cotty

Never mind his hat, here's the "full frame" camera that Cotty wants: http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/8530803182/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow th

Re: color profiles

Quoting Rob Studdert : On 5 March 2013 13:19, Mark Roberts wrote: You realize that removing EXIF has nothing to do with color management? Even with an embedded ICC profile the image won't render exactly the same if you're viewing on one browser that is color managed and one that isn't (that'

Re: A little OT - Switched from Posterous to Squarespace

Nice, George! I have to make a decision between WordPress and SquareSpace. I just downloaded my posterous archive. Godfrey On Mon, Mar 4, 2013 at 4:00 PM, George Sinos wrote: > With the closing of Posterous I was looking for an alternative. After > a bit of experimentation it looks as though I'

Re: OT - two unrelated complaints

Yes. Spaceships "whoosh!" And when they whoosh you can see the stars zip by them in a near 3D effect. Despite the fact that in reality the nearest star is light years away and the stars would appear far away and not moving through the sky, just as we see them from earth (which is in fact whoos

Re: A little OT - Switched from Posterous to Squarespace

George - a couple of questions. a - what template did you use? Your new blog is nice and clean and simple. I went through all of their templates and can't figure which one you chose. b - any problems moving stuff from Posterous? I tried the Import button, gave my Posterous sign-in info, and got a

Re: color profiles

Quoting Bruce Walker : On Mon, Mar 4, 2013 at 5:27 PM, Brian Walters wrote: Quoting Toine : I lived with the simple idea that a jpg saved/exported with sRGB profile and stripped of it's EXIF would render as sRGB. On my system it doesn't. The other big question is if anyone else has two diff

Re: Update on Kodak agony

I see Polaroid batteries 4 for $1.39 at a discount store all the time (Christmas Tree Shops for anyone in NE). On Mon, Mar 4, 2013 at 9:15 PM, John Mullan wrote: > Or Polaroid. At least Pentax has maintained the integrity of their product > and still makes a premium product. The Kodak name will

Re: OT - two unrelated complaints

Charles Robinson wrote: >On Mar 2, 2013, at 12:41 , Bruce Walker wrote: >> >> 2. Why do radio and TV ads depicting camera shutter presses still >> insert the sound effect for a film-era motor drive? Wake up you >> ad-creating doofuses!! It's not 1995. > >The sound-effect for most every digital c

Re: OT - two unrelated complaints

The worst offenders are the NCIS and Law & Order series. To me it's not the shutter sound that grates, it's the motor drive film advance that drives me nuts (except for the older reruns). That, and basic camera handling technique, like not moving an inch in any direction, yet firing off 3 or 4

Re: color profiles

On 5 March 2013 13:19, Mark Roberts wrote: > You realize that removing EXIF has nothing to do with color > management? > > Even with an embedded ICC profile the image won't render exactly the > same if you're viewing on one browser that is color managed and one > that isn't (that's why we have co

Re: color profiles

Toine wrote: >I need some help from the wisdom of the list. >Many photosites remove all the EXIF data. Pentax Photo Gallery is one >of them. Another is my own site which uses a image database backend. >The end result is this: > >http://www.repiuk.nl/index.php/blog-mainmenu-97/245-colorprofiles > >

Re: test2

Over the last few days my messages had not been showing up. It turned out that my email had somehow switched out of the plain text mode. I switched it back and things are now working again. Thanks, gs George Sinos gsi...@gmail.com www.georgesphotos.net plus.georgesinos.com

Re: Update on Kodak agony

Or Polaroid. At least Pentax has maintained the integrity of their product and still makes a premium product. The Kodak name will continue on cheap digital cameras and I suspect the emphasis is on cheap versus inexpensive. AT&T was taken over by SBC (Southwest Bell) and they have had the ex-la

Re: color profiles

On 5 March 2013 06:42, Toine wrote: > How can I setup LR to export images which render properly without a > color profile on both Chrome and IE The most practical way is to calibrate your monitor to sRGB standard output, the following link has a good lay explanation http://www.artstorm.net/

Re: PESO - The Ice Emperor

It is a fun and effective image, snow flakes and all. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Mon, Mar 4, 2013 at 6:10 PM, knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: > I was looking through the photos I took at Toronto's annual ice race one last > time and saw this one. > > Alberto

Re: Update on Kodak agony

Or AT&T Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Mon, Mar 4, 2013 at 6:32 PM, Mark C wrote: > On 3/4/2013 12:31 PM, John Sessoms wrote: >> >> >> >> Won't be the first time a company NAME lives on after the company is dead >> & buried. > > > As in the case of Pentax?

Re: test2

Test received Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Mon, Mar 4, 2013 at 6:48 PM, George Sinos wrote: > test2 > > George Sinos > > gsi...@gmail.com > www.georgesphotos.net > plus.georgesinos.com > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net

Re: color profiles

The two images look the same to me on my calibrated monitor using both Firefox (color managed) and Internet Explorer. On my non-calibrated machine (which uses the monitors default sRGB peofile as proxy for actual calibration) they look the same in Firefox, Opera and IE. I asked about calibrati

Re: color profiles

They look identical to me ... OS X Mountain Lion in Safari, Chrome and Firefox. G On Mon, Mar 4, 2013 at 3:00 PM, John Coyle wrote: > I can't see a difference between them Toine - I use a Dell monitor which has > been calibrated. > > > John Coyle > Brisbane, Australia > > > > -Original Mess

Re: PESO - The Ice Emperor

That's an ice portrait, Frank. Great expression, and I really like the way you framed him too. A photo fit for a King! :) On Mon, Mar 4, 2013 at 6:10 PM, knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: > I was looking through the photos I took at Toronto's annual ice race one last > time and saw this one. >

Re: OT - two unrelated complaints

On Mon, Mar 4, 2013 at 5:12 PM, Bob W wrote: >> From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Charles Robinson >> > >> > 2. Why do radio and TV ads depicting camera shutter presses still >> > insert the sound effect for a film-era motor drive? Wake up you >> > ad-creating doofuses!! It's

test2

test2 George Sinos gsi...@gmail.com www.georgesphotos.net plus.georgesinos.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.

Re: OT: new K-5

On Mon, Mar 04, 2013 at 04:22:44PM -0500, Stan Halpin wrote: > I just got a new K-5 (keychain version). I think it looks "interesting" > slotted into the hot shoe on my real K-5 (though the attachment does not seem > very secure). It came with the kit lens, 18-55mm; other lenses are available, >

Re: Update on Kodak agony

On 3/4/2013 12:31 PM, John Sessoms wrote: Won't be the first time a company NAME lives on after the company is dead & buried. As in the case of Pentax? Mark -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, ple

Re: Two small Q Gesos

If it is still under warranty hopefully they will just send you a new one. I know what you mean about not trusting it but I've had a few cameras go back for repairs and never had any follow up issues. Best yet if they replace it with a new one under warranty. Mark On 3/4/2013 12:10 PM, Don Gu

Re: Q 06 Telephoto Zoom

Thanks, Toine and Brian. Over the weekend I realized that I have a couple of Lens-baby close up lenses that are 37mm in diameter, so I ordered the step down ring to test them out. I put the lens baby diopters on the 15-45 zoom with a little tape and tried it, but it did not seem too promising.

PESO - The Ice Emperor

I was looking through the photos I took at Toronto's annual ice race one last time and saw this one. Alberto won four years consecutively about ten years ago. He is still fast (made the semi-finals this year) but he knows winning again is a very long shot (all the right people would have to fal

RE: color profiles

I can't see a difference between them Toine - I use a Dell monitor which has been calibrated. John Coyle Brisbane, Australia -Original Message- From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Toine Sent: Tuesday, 5 March 2013 5:42 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: color

Re: OT - two unrelated complaints

On Mon, Mar 04, 2013 at 11:42:49AM -0600, Charles Robinson wrote: > On Mar 2, 2013, at 12:41 , Bruce Walker wrote: > > > > 2. Why do radio and TV ads depicting camera shutter presses still > > insert the sound effect for a film-era motor drive? Wake up you > > ad-creating doofuses!! It's not 1995

Re: color profiles

The two images look identical to me on my calibrated IPS display, via Chrome. On Mon, Mar 4, 2013 at 4:43 PM, Toine wrote: > I lived with the simple idea that a jpg saved/exported with sRGB > profile and stripped of it's EXIF would render as sRGB. > On my system it doesn't. The other big questio

Re: color profiles

On Mon, Mar 4, 2013 at 5:27 PM, Brian Walters wrote: > Quoting Toine : > >> I lived with the simple idea that a jpg saved/exported with sRGB >> profile and stripped of it's EXIF would render as sRGB. >> On my system it doesn't. The other big question is if anyone else has >> two different renderin

Re: Pentax open box sale in Denver

on 2013-03-02 21:03 Aahz Maruch wrote The 105mm is "too big" as in "too long focal length" or "too big to carry"? my Sigma 105mm EX macro is too big/heavy to carry regularly (for me); i do carry it when i think i may want it the DA 100mm macro is significantly smaller and lighter than my Sig

Re: color profiles

Quoting Toine : I lived with the simple idea that a jpg saved/exported with sRGB profile and stripped of it's EXIF would render as sRGB. On my system it doesn't. The other big question is if anyone else has two different renderings displayed on that page. If not I need to read more about color m

Re:Did some exploring yesterday....

Thanks everyone for the nice comments. I shot most of these at an old union railroad shop that has been mostly cleared out now. The church was about a quarter mile away. These were done in mckeesport, pa which is pretty close to the city. This urbex group is going to be a gold

RE: OT - two unrelated complaints

> From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Charles Robinson > > > > 2. Why do radio and TV ads depicting camera shutter presses still > > insert the sound effect for a film-era motor drive? Wake up you > > ad-creating doofuses!! It's not 1995. > > > > The sound-effect for most every

Re: color profiles

On Mon, Mar 04, 2013, Toine wrote: >>> I need some help from the wisdom of the list. >>> Many photosites remove all the EXIF data. Pentax Photo Gallery is one >>> of them. Another is my own site which uses a image database backend. >>> The end result is this: >>> >>> http://www.repiuk.nl/index.php/

Re: color profiles

On my phone they look the same. I will look on my laptop when I get home. Toine wrote: >I lived with the simple idea that a jpg saved/exported with sRGB >profile and stripped of it's EXIF would render as sRGB. >On my system it doesn't. The other big question is if anyone else has >two

Re: color profiles

I lived with the simple idea that a jpg saved/exported with sRGB profile and stripped of it's EXIF would render as sRGB. On my system it doesn't. The other big question is if anyone else has two different renderings displayed on that page. If not I need to read more about color management and Windo

Re: OT: new K-5

On Mar 4, 2013, at 13:22 , Stan Halpin wrote: > I just got a new K-5 (keychain version). I think it looks "interesting" > slotted into the hot shoe on my real K-5 (though the attachment does not seem > very secure). It came with the kit lens, 18-55mm; other lenses are available, > I don't thin

Re: PESO: St. Thomas - U.S. Virgin Islands

Even spreading the window over two 20+ inch screens, it doesn't jump up to a size any larger than the first jump, which occurs between 12" and 20" width. So it's not a limitation of your upload, but the ability of the site to accommodate the width. On Mar 4, 2013, at 13:15 , Stan Halpin wrote:

Re: Finally after 6 years...

On Mar 4, 2013, at 4:10 PM, Darren Addy wrote: > I tried to download the 4.0 64-bit beta, but all I get is a 1 KB file. > Either it is very efficient code or very efficient file compression! stan -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net t

OT: new K-5

I just got a new K-5 (keychain version). I think it looks "interesting" slotted into the hot shoe on my real K-5 (though the attachment does not seem very secure). It came with the kit lens, 18-55mm; other lenses are available, I don't think I will buy any, though I am tempted by the 70mm! Thank

Re: Update on Kodak agony

Reading the article, I read that it plans on "emerging" from bankruptcy in April, hoping to replace some number of board members. They have reached "an agreement" with a portion of their lien-holders which appears to either defray or eliminate a portion of their debt. On Mar 4, 2013, at 09:31

Re: PESO: St. Thomas - U.S. Virgin Islands

On Mar 4, 2013, at 10:31 AM, Aahz Maruch wrote: > On Sun, Mar 03, 2013, Stan Halpin wrote: >> >> This image is the only one(s) I have spent much time on so far, a >> pano stitched together from several images, cropped top and bottom >> to correct for my handheld inconsistencies in placement of t

Re: Finally after 6 years...

I tried to download the 4.0 64-bit beta, but all I get is a 1 KB file. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.

Re: PESO: St. Thomas - U.S. Virgin Islands

On Mar 4, 2013, at 11:22 AM, Paul Stenquist wrote: > Gorgeous! Made my morning. Thanks Paul. > (It's only about 20 in Michigan. Stay where you are!) > > Paul It is too late, I am back home in Michigan coping with layers of frozen snow and black ice on the driveway. But I am not complaining, thi

Re: Finally after 6 years...

On 3/3/2013 3:34 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: It looks like Focus Magic is *finally* getting around to releasing a 64-bit version of their Photoshop plug-in. (I bought the 32-bit version in 2007.) The beta is out now and seems to work very well in my limited testing so far. Far better than the lame To

Re: color profiles

I believe this should be as simple as ensuring that you always select Color Space: sRGB under File Settings when you export images for publishing. Since the default colour space is assumed to be sRGB when none is provided, your images should render the same with or without EXIF. But then life is n

color profiles

I need some help from the wisdom of the list. Many photosites remove all the EXIF data. Pentax Photo Gallery is one of them. Another is my own site which uses a image database backend. The end result is this: http://www.repiuk.nl/index.php/blog-mainmenu-97/245-colorprofiles The second image is ho

Re: PESO: Hipster Dog at the Beach

Thanks, Don. It certainly made me smile when I came across this dog with the glasses. The guy wrapped in the towel that is visible in the image had two dogs with him, very similar in appearance and both sporting shades. The other dog looked so depressed and embarrassed that I didn't even try to

Re: PESO: Approaching LAX

Thanks, Don! I may just take your suggestion, crop out the airplane window, and boost the image in PS to see what develops. Actually, we landed in LAX close to noon. I had my early morning filter on the K-0-01. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Mon, Mar 4, 2013

Re: Did some exploring yesterday....

This thread brings up an interesting way to find photographic subjects like this (for your area or an area that you may be travelling to). Just google: "urban exploration" and the name of a city. You may find some tips like this one (for Pittsburgh): http://www.urbanghostsmedia.com/2012/02/jonathon

Re: OT - two unrelated complaints

On Mar 2, 2013, at 12:41 , Bruce Walker wrote: > > 2. Why do radio and TV ads depicting camera shutter presses still > insert the sound effect for a film-era motor drive? Wake up you > ad-creating doofuses!! It's not 1995. > The sound-effect for most every digital camera (including cellphones)

Re:Did some exploring yesterday....

Wow! nice set. I can't find any that didn't grab me. Jealous congrats. pdml-requ...@pdml.net wrote: Message: 12 Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2013 01:01:09 -0500 From: Zos Xavius To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Did some exploring yesterday Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-

Re: PESO: Hipster Dog at the Beach

Thanks for my Mon AM laugh. Was it Elliot Erwin (sp) who specialized in this type of photos ? I was a fan. pdml-requ...@pdml.net wrote: Message: 11 Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2013 00:28:57 -0500 From: "Daniel J. Matyola" To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: PESO: Hipster Dog at the Beach Message-ID:

Re:PESO: St. Thomas - U.S. Virgin Islands

Sweet! Stan. It is sometimes hard to find a worthy subject for panos. Luck you & nice job. pdml-requ...@pdml.net wrote: Message: 8 Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2013 22:34:36 -0500 From: Stan Halpin To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: PESO: St. Thomas - U.S. Virgin Islands Message-ID: Content-Typ

Re: Update on Kodak agony

From: Igor Roshchin ... if somebody cares, Kodak files a plan for emergency from Chapter 11: http://www.rbj.net/article.asp?aID=194171 With this much of regular loss, I am surprised it is not dead yet. Igor Won't be the first time a company NAME lives on after the company is dead & buried.

Re: paw week 9 being broke

Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose. From: Paul Stenquist Interesting by virtue of the album title. Someone needs to straighten that man out:-). No cameras, no lenses! Nice exposure and composition. Not sure I like the vignetting. Paul On Mar 3, 2013, at 10:29 PM, Christine Agu

Re: PESO - Two Stones, or A Thought

Nice rendering with a Zen garden look and the K20 to boot. pdml-requ...@pdml.net wrote: Message: 6 Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2013 23:38:38 +0200 From: Bulent Celasun To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: PESO - Two Stones, or A Thought Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 A

Re: Writing is hard

From: Joseph McAllister On Mar 2, 2013, at 23:46 , Chris Mitchell wrote: On 2 March 2013 18:24, Steve Cottrell wrote: On 1/3/13, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed: it's obviously a matter of opinion, so there is no need to state that. This is a mailing list, not a courtroom. I move for a

Re:PAW165 - Step

Somehow this matches my mood on this Mon. AM. So I like it - sort of lost on the long slog to work feel. pdml-requ...@pdml.net wrote: Message: 4 Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2013 22:18:01 +0100 From: DagT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: PAW165 - Step Message-ID:<7d6cef28-4c92-4d79-baca-ed717092c...@t

Re: PESO: Approaching LAX

Early AM? Not much traffic on the freeway. Nice picture, you could almost crop the plane perk it up in PS and have a pseudo pano. pdml-requ...@pdml.net wrote: Message: 5 Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2013 08:18:43 -0500 From: "Daniel J. Matyola" To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: PESO: Approaching LAX Me

Re: Two small Q Gesos

Thanks Mark. I left it idle w/o batteries for several days but it actually got worse. Originally it would light up briefly but never long enough to hit menu. Now with fresh batteries - Nothing. I am packing it up to ship to AZ today, after collecting the correct forms and receipts. I have too m

Re: Did some exploring yesterday....

I'm sure the OP will answer, at some point, but judging from some of his other albums I would guess that it is in the Pittsburgh, PA area. On Mon, Mar 4, 2013 at 9:31 AM, Charles Robinson wrote: > On Mar 4, 2013, at 24:01 , Zos Xavius wrote: > >> I went and saw some neat abandoned places yesterd

Re: OT - two unrelated complaints

From: Mark Roberts David Mann wrote: On Mar 3, 2013, at 7:41 AM, Bruce Walker wrote: 1. Why do forms that expect a credit card number reject spaces? When you enter a credit card number in an online ordering form, it would make sense to enter the groups of digits with spaces between so you ca

Re: PESO: St. Thomas - U.S. Virgin Islands

Gorgeous! Made my morning. (It's only about 20 in Michigan. Stay where you are!) Paul On Mar 3, 2013, at 10:34 PM, Stan Halpin wrote: > I am very slowly working my way through images captured on my recent > trip/cruise. Rating, selecting, keywording . . . > This image is the only one(s) I have

Re: PESO - Two Stones, or A Thought

On Sun, Mar 03, 2013, Bulent Celasun wrote: > > Abstraction intended! > > http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=16997233&size=lg The large stone looks sort-of like an obverted head, is that intended? Either way, nice composition! -- Hugs and backrubs -- I break Rule 6h

Re: PESO: St. Thomas - U.S. Virgin Islands

On Sun, Mar 03, 2013, Stan Halpin wrote: > > This image is the only one(s) I have spent much time on so far, a > pano stitched together from several images, cropped top and bottom > to correct for my handheld inconsistencies in placement of the > horizon. To follow up on a recent discussion of trav

Re: Did some exploring yesterday....

On Mar 4, 2013, at 24:01 , Zos Xavius wrote: > I went and saw some neat abandoned places yesterday with my local > urbex group. Of course I took some pictures. There are a few I already > want to try to fix or just take down already, but what the heckI > must say the ability of the k-5 to pu

Re: Finally after 6 years...

Mark Roberts wrote on Sun, 03 Mar 2013 13:34:43 -0800: > It looks like Focus Magic is *finally* getting around to releasing a > 64-bit version of their Photoshop plug-in. (I bought the 32-bit > version in 2007.) The beta is out now and seems to work very well in > my limited testing so far. Far be

Re: PESO: Dad

Has a respectful and endearing air about it. Contrasts well chosen.  Jack From: Paul Stenquist To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Sent: Monday, March 4, 2013 6:49 AM Subject: PESO: Dad Another Leica Tri-X pic. This one at f4. The painting is my father's The pics

PESO: Dad

Another Leica Tri-X pic. This one at f4. The painting is my father's The pics on the table below are of his family and ancestors. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=16998212 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from th

Re: Update on Kodak agony

On 2013-03-04 8:53, Igor Roshchin wrote: ... if somebody cares, Kodak files a plan for emergency from Chapter 11: http://www.rbj.net/article.asp?aID=194171 With this much of regular loss, I am surprised it is not dead yet. Cue Monty Python's "Dead Parrot" sketch or the "Bring out your dead"

Update on Kodak agony

... if somebody cares, Kodak files a plan for emergency from Chapter 11: http://www.rbj.net/article.asp?aID=194171 With this much of regular loss, I am surprised it is not dead yet. Igor -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCR

Re: Pentax open box sale in Denver

Sun Mar 3 18:12:16 EST 2013 mike wilson wrote: > On 01/03/2013 21:10, pdml at paper-ape.com wrote: > > just back from > > > A Denver-based camera manufacturer? > > Live and learn. It's a camera manufacturere who has a base (one of) in Denver. :-)

Re: Did some exploring yesterday....

All well composed and interesting. Enjoyed! Jack From: Zos Xavius To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Sent: Sunday, March 3, 2013 10:01 PM Subject: Did some exploring yesterday I went and saw some neat abandoned places yesterday  with my local urbex group. Of c

Re: Did some exploring yesterday....

Interesting, especially the abandoned manufacturing equipment and church. Where are you located? We've had our fill of devastation porn in the Detroit area, so in a strange way, it's nice to see some from another locale. Paul On Mar 4, 2013, at 1:01 AM, Zos Xavius wrote: > I went and saw so

Re: paw week 9 being broke

Interesting by virtue of the album title. Someone needs to straighten that man out:-). No cameras, no lenses! Nice exposure and composition. Not sure I like the vignetting. Paul On Mar 3, 2013, at 10:29 PM, Christine Aguila wrote: > > cheers, christine > http://www.caguila.com/paw2013/content