Re: OT Newspaper men used to dream of flatulence jokes...

2017-04-12 Thread mike wilson
> On 12 April 2017 at 13:25 "P. J. Alling" wrote: > > > Now we have the internet... > > http://metro.co.uk/2017/04/11/hubble-just-spotted-something-massive-coming-out-of-uranus-6567896/ Nearly, but not quite, as good as.

Re: Epson P600?

2017-04-12 Thread Paul Stenquist
Congratulations. Sound good. My 2880 is still humming along, but I think Ill eventually go for a P800. Would like to make some 16x 20 prints. Paul via phone > On Apr 13, 2017, at 12:27 AM, Christine Aguila wrote: > > My P600 arrived today! > > It’s true—the black and

Re: Epson P600?

2017-04-12 Thread Christine Aguila
My P600 arrived today! It’s true—the black and white prints do pop—as do the color. I printed both color and black and white on the Epson metallic glossy paper, and it really looks nice. I just finished printing some black and white Velvet Fine Art in both letter and 13 x 19 inch paper.

RE: Stunning News for Pentax - Ricoh

2017-04-12 Thread John Coyle
I've owned Pentax cameras (with one exception) since 1968, and have never had cause to complain.  Like all mechanical or electronic items, they can break and need repairs, but I've only once had to send a Pentax camera in for repair!  I expect to be using my current crop (MZ-S, *ist-d, K5ii-s,

RE: Endgame for cameras...

2017-04-12 Thread John Coyle
The whole proposition falls apart for people like me who under-share! John in Brisbane -Original Message- From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Boris Liberman Sent: Wednesday, 12 April 2017 11:48 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Endgame for

Re: Possible Pentax sighting

2017-04-12 Thread John Francis
On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 03:30:17PM -0700, Larry Colen wrote: > > > P. J. Alling wrote: > > IT looks like the mirror image of a Pentax lens, so either they did > > something stupid in post production, or there's a manufacturer who used > > and exact mirror image for their bayonet lens mount. > >

Re: new appreciation

2017-04-12 Thread John Sessoms
I heard a promo for Dana-Farber on an NPR program I was listening to a couple of days ago. On 4/11/2017 16:40, Mark Roberts wrote: By the way, I just had a meeting this afternoon with Irini Albanti from the Global Health Initiative this afternoon. She's sent me some material on the activities

Re: Possible Pentax sighting

2017-04-12 Thread Brian Walters
Bummer. Blocked in Oz due to copyright issues. But I love "Time Team", even if Baldrick does get a bit hyperactive at times Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ On Thu, Apr 13, 2017, at 07:44 AM, John

Re: Stunning News for Pentax - Ricoh

2017-04-12 Thread Mark C
FWIW - Ricoh seems to deny the rumor: http://www.ricoh.com/info/2017/0412_1.html On 4/12/2017 12:23 AM, Bipin Gupta wrote: This came in today to my Inbox: http://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Companies/Ricoh-may-close-shutter-on-personal-camera-business The end of Pentax - Ricoh coming near??

Re: Possible Pentax sighting

2017-04-12 Thread Larry Colen
P. J. Alling wrote: IT looks like the mirror image of a Pentax lens, so either they did something stupid in post production, or there's a manufacturer who used and exact mirror image for their bayonet lens mount. Nikon? The actual mounting damn near works, but it goes on backwards. On

Re: Stunning News for Pentax - Ricoh

2017-04-12 Thread P. J. Alling
Who knows, Japanese companies are notoriously cagey about such things. I expect that they make the most money on the higher sales price items. The problem is Ricoh needs to produce an entry level camera that's good enough to hook users and lure them into higher profit upgrades. I suspect

Re: Endgame for cameras...

2017-04-12 Thread John Sessoms
You make that sound like it's a bad thing. On 4/12/2017 13:09, Gonz wrote: Exactly! No camera, so I guess the software has to imagine what you look like! On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 11:58 AM, P. J. Alling wrote: With your mind... On 4/12/2017 12:32 PM, Gonz wrote:

Re: Endgame for cameras...

2017-04-12 Thread John Sessoms
They're touting "Content Aware Fill" from Photoshop CS4. My experience with "content aware fill" has been that it doesn't work as well as the video suggests. On 4/12/2017 10:58, Gonz wrote: Wow, that article is about close to the dumbest I've ever read, lol. On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 8:47 AM,

Re: Stunning News for Pentax - Ricoh

2017-04-12 Thread John Sessoms
The article makes me think Ricoh is downsizing, but not getting out of the camera business completely. Which camera lines does Ricoh make the most money on? Which lines the least? On 4/12/2017 16:26, P. J. Alling wrote: Ricoh is probably not still building K-3II cameras but they are still

Re: Stunning News for Pentax - Ricoh

2017-04-12 Thread John Sessoms
Everyone discriminates against poor old farts! On 4/12/2017 12:41, Alan C wrote: Someone always discriminates against poor old farts. Alan C -Original Message- From: Gonz Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2017 6:12 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Stunning News for Pentax - Ricoh

Re: Stunning News for Pentax - Ricoh

2017-04-12 Thread John Sessoms
On 4/12/2017 10:55, Stanley Halpin wrote: Not panicked yet… stan Well, that's certainly not the PDML way! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the

Re: Possible Pentax sighting

2017-04-12 Thread P. J. Alling
IT looks like the mirror image of a Pentax lens, so either they did something stupid in post production, or there's a manufacturer who used and exact mirror image for their bayonet lens mount. On 4/12/2017 5:44 PM, John Francis wrote: I was just watching Time Team S17-E11 (Litlington,

Possible Pentax sighting

2017-04-12 Thread John Francis
I was just watching Time Team S17-E11 (Litlington, Cambridgeshire) [available on youtube at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IAgN1GIT5Us] and I have a possible Pentax sighting. At 3:26, one of the archaeologists is using a reversed lens as a loupe, and to me it looks very much like a fairly

Re: Stunning News for Pentax - Ricoh

2017-04-12 Thread David J Brooks
On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 12:07 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: > NIkon is cutting back too. > > > The Megapixel race has become pointless, image quality is now better than > good enough, and has been for two generations of camera sensors, and anyone > who's had to pour over

Re: Stunning News for Pentax - Ricoh

2017-04-12 Thread P. J. Alling
Ricoh is probably not still building K-3II cameras but they are still officially in production. Even with Ricoh owning the Pentax name, Pentax was and is a small player and I doubt that they can build more than two different models at the same time. The K-1 and K-P are currently being built.

Re: Decontamination

2017-04-12 Thread Larry
When I see a sickly looking impala, there is usually rust involved. On April 12, 2017 9:39:52 AM PDT, Alan C wrote: >Thanks, Dan. > >You made my day. > >Alan C > >-Original Message- >From: Daniel J. Matyola >Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2017 6:30 PM >To: Pentax-Discuss

Re: Endgame for cameras...

2017-04-12 Thread Larry
On April 12, 2017 10:55:01 AM PDT, Bob W-PDML wrote: >Google can remember it for you wholesale. > >https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/We_Can_Remember_It_for_You_Wholesale Doing it that way would be a Dick move. > >On 12 Apr 2017, at 17:33, Gonz

Re: Stunning News for Pentax - Ricoh

2017-04-12 Thread Gonz
I know where you live. ;) No worries, I'll leave the K-1 and some wonderful glass behind. On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 1:55 PM, Bob W-PDML wrote: > Dream on! > >> On 12 Apr 2017, at 19:49, Gonz wrote: >> >> I'll just take all your Leica gear, much

Re: Endgame for cameras...

2017-04-12 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
Perhaps it was intended to be an April Fools prank but was delayed getting to publication… G > On Apr 12, 2017, at 7:58 AM, Gonz wrote: > > Wow, that article is about close to the dumbest I've ever read, lol. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: Ricoh responds

2017-04-12 Thread Gonz
Hmmm, cat's out of the bag, so damage control? At least there's no twitterstorm with a Pentax shooter being dragged around and beat up. Well, not yet. I wonder whether the K-1 has been profitable. It certainly sounded last year that it was a popular enough DSLR. On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 12:17

Re: Stunning News for Pentax - Ricoh

2017-04-12 Thread Bob W-PDML
Dream on! > On 12 Apr 2017, at 19:49, Gonz wrote: > > I'll just take all your Leica gear, much easier. > >> On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 12:34 PM, Bob W-PDML wrote: >> You'll just have give it back and let them keep the money. >> >>> On 12 Apr 2017, at

Re: Stunning News for Pentax - Ricoh

2017-04-12 Thread Gonz
I'll just take all your Leica gear, much easier. On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 12:34 PM, Bob W-PDML wrote: > You'll just have give it back and let them keep the money. > >> On 12 Apr 2017, at 14:56, Gonz wrote: >> >> Well that sux. I just spent > $4K on

Re: Stunning News for Pentax - Ricoh

2017-04-12 Thread Larry
For night photography you want the k1, For action, find a k3ii On April 12, 2017 11:04:38 AM PDT, Ralf R Radermacher wrote: >Am 12.04.17 um 16:55 schrieb Stanley Halpin: >> I believe various EU and other jurisdictions stipulate that sellers >need to have a two year supply of

Re: Stunning News for Pentax - Ricoh

2017-04-12 Thread Ralf R Radermacher
Am 12.04.17 um 16:55 schrieb Stanley Halpin: I believe various EU and other jurisdictions stipulate that sellers need to have a two year supply of spare parts after an item ceases production? Noblex (Dresden, Germany, EU) stopped their panoramic camera production without any advance warning

Re: Endgame for cameras...

2017-04-12 Thread Bob W-PDML
Google can remember it for you wholesale. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/We_Can_Remember_It_for_You_Wholesale On 12 Apr 2017, at 17:33, Gonz > wrote: The funny part is that they say, you could take selfies and then insert your image into the

Re: Peso-Poppy Eclipse

2017-04-12 Thread Jack Davis
Thanks, Dan! J Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 12, 2017, at 9:44 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: > > Very Nice! > > Dan Matyola > http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola > >> On Sat, Apr 8, 2017 at 11:12 AM, Jack Davis wrote: >> >> >> >>

Re: Stunning News for Pentax - Ricoh

2017-04-12 Thread Bob W-PDML
You'll just have give it back and let them keep the money. > On 12 Apr 2017, at 14:56, Gonz wrote: > > Well that sux. I just spent > $4K on K-1 and lenses > >> On Tue, Apr 11, 2017 at 11:23 PM, Bipin Gupta wrote: >> This came in today to my Inbox: >>

Re: OT Newspaper men used to dream of flatulence jokes...

2017-04-12 Thread Bob W-PDML
What a day this is to be alive! I don't want to fart on this planet any more.. > On 12 Apr 2017, at 13:26, P. J. Alling wrote: > > Now we have the internet... > > http://metro.co.uk/2017/04/11/hubble-just-spotted-something-massive-coming-out-of-uranus-6567896/ > >

Ricoh responds

2017-04-12 Thread Bruce Walker
I asked Ricoh about this latest sky-is-falling article and they responded here ... <<< Today there was an article saying that RICOH considers to shrink the camera business and withdraw from consumer products. This article is not based on RICOH's official announcement. RICOH is focusing its

Re: Endgame for cameras...

2017-04-12 Thread Gonz
Exactly! No camera, so I guess the software has to imagine what you look like! On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 11:58 AM, P. J. Alling wrote: > With your mind... > > > On 4/12/2017 12:32 PM, Gonz wrote: >> >> The funny part is that they say, you could take selfies and then

Re: Endgame for cameras...

2017-04-12 Thread P. J. Alling
With your mind... On 4/12/2017 12:32 PM, Gonz wrote: The funny part is that they say, you could take selfies and then insert your image into the fake image when "taking" the picture. Question is, how the hell do you take selfies? On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 11:24 AM, Daniel J. Matyola

Re: Stunning News for Pentax - Ricoh

2017-04-12 Thread P. J. Alling
True, but with the current situation the biggest competition for the newest camera is it's previous generation. A lot of people who didn't live through the Camera Craze of the 1970s when SLR technology made it possible for everyone who wanted one to have a semi pro level SLR, at prices that

Re: Peso-Poppy Eclipse

2017-04-12 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Very Nice! Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Sat, Apr 8, 2017 at 11:12 AM, Jack Davis wrote: > > > Haven't dug this out for awhile, but since it's spring once again.. > Shot on film while laying on my back allowing the larger upper center >

Re: Stunning News for Pentax - Ricoh

2017-04-12 Thread Alan C
Someone always discriminates against poor old farts. Alan C -Original Message- From: Gonz Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2017 6:12 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Stunning News for Pentax - Ricoh There will always be demand, the question is what will be the steady state

Re: PESO - smolder

2017-04-12 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
She looks quite stern! Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Sat, Apr 8, 2017 at 7:09 PM, Bruce Walker wrote: > Especially for those who prefer their glamour pinup ladies with more > curves, here's local pinup hottie Holly Harlott, styled by

Re: Decontamination

2017-04-12 Thread Alan C
Thanks, Dan. You made my day. Alan C -Original Message- From: Daniel J. Matyola Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2017 6:30 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Fw: PESO: Decontamination Well seen and captured, Alan. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On

Re: Endgame for cameras...

2017-04-12 Thread Alan C
Remote + Tripod? Alan C -Original Message- From: Gonz Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2017 6:32 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Endgame for cameras... The funny part is that they say, you could take selfies and then insert your image into the fake image when "taking" the

Re: Endgame for cameras...

2017-04-12 Thread Alan C
A kind of auto troublemaker? Alan C -Original Message- From: Daniel J. Matyola Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2017 6:24 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Endgame for cameras... In essence, your phone would identify where you are and send you and image of a postcard of that

Re: PESO: The Look

2017-04-12 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
That is super cute! Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Tue, Apr 11, 2017 at 10:31 AM, Bill wrote: > Duh, wrong link, though Rollie, the one on the right, was giving a good > example of the look. > > Here's the correct link: > >

Re: Endgame for cameras...

2017-04-12 Thread Gonz
The funny part is that they say, you could take selfies and then insert your image into the fake image when "taking" the picture. Question is, how the hell do you take selfies? On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 11:24 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: > In essence, your phone would

Re: Fw: PESO: Decontamination

2017-04-12 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Well seen and captured, Alan. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Sun, Apr 9, 2017 at 9:14 AM, Alan C wrote: > A sickly looking, tick infested Impala Ewe besieged by 6 Red-billed > Oxpeckers. > Scroll right to see a healthy Impala Ram. Both at Sable

Re: PESO; Omaha Beach

2017-04-12 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Thanks, Jack and Paul. I haven't downloaded and edited many of my Normandy images yet. Every evening after all that walking and photographing, I went to dinner, and the wait staff on board kept filling my glass with wine until I was unable to much except stumble to my cabin and fall in bed.

Re: Endgame for cameras...

2017-04-12 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
In essence, your phone would identify where you are and send you and image of a postcard of that scene. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 9:47 AM, Boris Liberman wrote: > This is rather extreme but for some reason my news

Re: Stunning News for Pentax - Ricoh

2017-04-12 Thread Gonz
There will always be demand, the question is what will be the steady state demand? And at that demand rate, what will be the price? If the scale is much smaller, then the prices will be much higher to justify the lines and design efforts. The hobby may end up being relegated to rich old

Re: Stunning News for Pentax - Ricoh

2017-04-12 Thread P. J. Alling
NIkon is cutting back too. Canon may be fatally wounded, though like the conceptual dinosaurs of the 19th century, (which they still taught when I was in school), it's too big to know it's dead yet. Digital cameras whether DSLR, Mirrorless or Old Fashioned RF, have reached the level of

Re: Endgame for cameras...

2017-04-12 Thread Gonz
Too bad I can't get a refund on my time. :) On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 10:36 AM, P. J. Alling wrote: > It was free, so I guess you got you're money's worth. > > > On 4/12/2017 10:58 AM, Gonz wrote: >> >> Wow, that article is about close to the dumbest I've ever read,

Re: Endgame for cameras...

2017-04-12 Thread P. J. Alling
It was free, so I guess you got you're money's worth. On 4/12/2017 10:58 AM, Gonz wrote: Wow, that article is about close to the dumbest I've ever read, lol. On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 8:47 AM, Boris Liberman wrote: This is rather extreme but for some reason my news

Re: Stunning News for Pentax - Ricoh

2017-04-12 Thread Gonz
Yeah, I don't know, why wait till shit starts breaking and your equipment loses value steadily? If the sky truly is falling, then maybe its time to sell all and start over. Maybe Nikon will buy the patents for the in body image stabilization, that is certainly a valuable technology. On Wed,

Re: Endgame for cameras...

2017-04-12 Thread Igor PDML-StR
And photojournalism will have a significant leap. :-D [Facecrime] It would be even easier to create #RealFakeNews... ... and to "rectify". 2+2=5! Godfrey DiGiorgi Wed, 12 Apr 2017 07:40:39 -0700 wrote: One step closer to the Virtual Panopticon, I guess. G On Apr 12, 2017, at 6:47 AM,

Re: Endgame for cameras...

2017-04-12 Thread Gonz
Wow, that article is about close to the dumbest I've ever read, lol. On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 8:47 AM, Boris Liberman wrote: > This is rather extreme but for some reason my news aggregator app thought t > was worth it... > > The endgame for cameras is having no camera at all:

Re: Stunning News for Pentax - Ricoh

2017-04-12 Thread Stanley Halpin
Do they have a just-in-time stocking model for camera and lens spare parts? Or do they plan ahead for expected demand several years out? If the latter, (which makes sense in terms of batch orders of limited run items from suppliers) then we should be ok for a while. I believe various EU and

What was that company ...

2017-04-12 Thread Igor PDML-StR
... that sells complicated ("universal") plates that look like mini-version of bread-board optical tables, i.e. with many wholes, IIRC, of different sizes, most likely some threaded... I remember somebody here posted a link several years ago, but I don't remember the company/brand name...

Re: Endgame for cameras...

2017-04-12 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
One step closer to the Virtual Panopticon, I guess. G > On Apr 12, 2017, at 6:47 AM, Boris Liberman wrote: > > This is rather extreme but for some reason my news aggregator app thought t > was worth it... > > The endgame for cameras is having no camera at all: >

Re: Stunning News for Pentax - Ricoh

2017-04-12 Thread Gonz
Yeah, here's hoping. But if something goes wrong, the spare parts department might be in a bind... On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 9:04 AM, Paul Stenquist wrote: > Your K-1 and lenses will still work great after Ricoh turns out the lights. > > Paul via phone > >> On Apr 12, 2017,

Re: Stunning News for Pentax - Ricoh

2017-04-12 Thread P. J. Alling
Notice the word "may" in the headline. That's a feature of the 11th commandment, Cover thy ass. With that headline the writer and editor are admitting that they have no idea what Ricoh is actually going to do. Admittedly it's not good that the imaging division is having resources moved to

Re: Stunning News for Pentax - Ricoh

2017-04-12 Thread Paul Stenquist
Your K-1 and lenses will still work great after Ricoh turns out the lights. Paul via phone > On Apr 12, 2017, at 9:55 AM, Gonz wrote: > > Well that sux. I just spent > $4K on K-1 and lenses > >> On Tue, Apr 11, 2017 at 11:23 PM, Bipin Gupta wrote:

Re: Stunning News for Pentax - Ricoh

2017-04-12 Thread Gonz
Well that sux. I just spent > $4K on K-1 and lenses On Tue, Apr 11, 2017 at 11:23 PM, Bipin Gupta wrote: > This came in today to my Inbox: > > http://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Companies/Ricoh-may-close-shutter-on-personal-camera-business > > The end of Pentax - Ricoh coming

Re: new appreciation

2017-04-12 Thread Christine Aguila
> On Apr 11, 2017, at 10:43 PM, William Robb > wrote: > > It's all Mark and Doug. I get sent a link and some quiet expectation that I > will make acerbic comments about the pictures. > This year I almost made it to the finish line until my eyesight was cruelly >

Endgame for cameras...

2017-04-12 Thread Boris Liberman
This is rather extreme but for some reason my news aggregator app thought t was worth it... The endgame for cameras is having no camera at all: http://news360.com/article/398182387 Seems eerily rrelated to most recent news about Ricoh. You know, in my opinion, what really is killing the cameras

Re: Ricoh to cut back camera production?

2017-04-12 Thread Christine Aguila
Wow! Sad if true. Hopefully, something can be worked out. Cheers, Christine > On Apr 11, 2017, at 8:49 PM, Brian Walters wrote: > > G'day all > > I came across this item a couple of hours ago. I don't know how > authoritative it is but it doesn't sound good: > >

OT Newspaper men used to dream of flatulence jokes...

2017-04-12 Thread P. J. Alling
Now we have the internet... http://metro.co.uk/2017/04/11/hubble-just-spotted-something-massive-coming-out-of-uranus-6567896/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and

Re: PESO - Lizard(s), passed on?

2017-04-12 Thread Toralf Lund
Interesting... On 11/04/17 03:48, Igor PDML-StR wrote: Or, maybe it was a lizard rain... If it can rain frogs, it could rain lizards, perhaps... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rain_of_animals http://science.howstuffworks.com/nature/climate-weather/storms/rain-frog.htm Igor Bob W-PDML

Re: PESO - Lizard(s), passed on?

2017-04-12 Thread Toralf Lund
On 11/04/17 05:14, Ken Waller wrote: Maybe his warranty ran out! (;-) Of course :-) - T -Original Message- From: Toralf Lund Subject: PESO - Lizard(s), passed on? Hi, There seems to have been a number of "what is this" PESOs lately, and I think I'll post one,

Re: Ricoh to cut back camera production?

2017-04-12 Thread Larry Colen
P. J. Alling wrote: Sigma hasn't been able to build a general purpose camera to save their life. RIcoh has a history of just shuttering divisions that don't make money. They folded their own SLR production before. Let's hope they don't do that again. What would Sigma do if they bought the

Re: Stunning News for Pentax - Ricoh

2017-04-12 Thread John Francis
On Tue, Apr 11, 2017 at 09:36:30PM -0700, Larry Colen wrote: > > > Bipin Gupta wrote: > > This came in today to my Inbox: > > > > http://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Companies/Ricoh-may-close-shutter-on-personal-camera-business > > > > The end of Pentax - Ricoh coming near?? > > Well that could