Re: A question about chimping

2007-11-18 Thread David J Brooks
I look, or chimp, every shot i take. Pentax or Nikon. I check the histogram, overall look of the photo, etc. I DON'T make the sound though.:-) Dave On 11/14/07, Boris Liberman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi! I like chimping ;-). (Like - I am alcoholic) But I am curious ;-). Well, seriously

Re: A question about chimping

2007-11-16 Thread Paul Stenquist
,[iter, so I can cable USB from a powered hub to the camera and display it on my 21 monitor. Paul On Nov 15, 2007, at 6:16 PM, William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: David Savage Subject: Re: A question about chimping How about shooting tethered to your laptop review

Re: A question about chimping

2007-11-16 Thread Doug Franklin
Tom C wrote: It seems to me the term is now used often in a euphemistic derogatory sense that implies one must not be a good photographer if they need to look at their image to check it. [...] While I generally agree with what you're saying, Tom, I find it quite scary, and more than a

Re: A question about chimping

2007-11-16 Thread Ken Waller
I don't think that checking histograms counts as chimping, though. Could be right. I thought looking at the LCD in general, was chimping. Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: A question about chimping

Re: A question about chimping

2007-11-16 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: David Savage Subject: Re: A question about chimping How about shooting tethered to your laptop review that way? I don't have the Remote Assistant for the K10 (is there such a beast) operational, and I believe I would need to upgrade the firmware

Re: A question about chimping

2007-11-16 Thread Bruce Dayton
looking at a corner of as the frame. ugh. Probably didn't as have a decent shot anyway. sigh. as ann From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: A question about chimping Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 07:36:00 -0600 - Original Message - From: Tom C Subject: Re: A question about

Re: A question about chimping

2007-11-16 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Nov 15, 2007, at 3:16 PM, William Robb wrote: How about shooting tethered to your laptop review that way? I don't have the Remote Assistant for the K10 (is there such a beast) operational, and I believe I would need to upgrade the firmware and give up the ability to play with the AF

Re: A question about chimping

2007-11-16 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Ken Waller Subject: Re: A question about chimping I don't think that checking histograms counts as chimping, though. Could be right. I thought looking at the LCD in general, was chimping. I haven't used a flash meter or colour meter since I started using

Re: A question about chimping

2007-11-15 Thread Axel Belinfante
, and to get it right one must see. Or one must have enough confidence in their knowledge and abilities. experience, and tools/techniques that lead to reproducable results? You're right, it's a hallmark of many pro's to check and review their images on the spot in order to correct

RE: A question about chimping

2007-11-15 Thread Tom C
image immediately after exposure, is to a photographer, probably the single largest advantage offered by the technology. Tom C. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: A question about chimping Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 07:36:00 -0600 - Original Message - From: Tom

Re: A question about chimping

2007-11-15 Thread David Savage
On Nov 15, 2007 11:33 PM, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't think the review screen is as useful a tool as Polaroids, it's just too easy to miss stuff on the smallish screen. It's really no better than the viewfinder in many respects. I'm taking the files to the 21 desktop screen

Re: A question about chimping

2007-11-15 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Axel Belinfante of course, that studio usage may have been only a small part of the total polaroid usage. Polaroid backs are rather big, clunky and inconvenient. They really only worked well in studio use, where lighting tends to not change until someone

Re: A question about chimping

2007-11-15 Thread ann sanfedele
P. J. Alling wrote: Chimping is a bit different from reviewing, it usually includes sound effects something like, Ooh, Ooh, Ooh, looitthis. Ooh, Ooh... ;-) I think it has the looser interpretation now - the key being reviewing the shot reight after shooting or close to it. sometimes the words

Re: A question about chimping

2007-11-15 Thread ann sanfedele
William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: Tom C Subject: Re: A question about chimping , and to get it right one must see. Or one must have enough confidence in their knowledge and abilities. You're right, it's a hallmark of many pro's to check and review

Re: A question about chimping

2007-11-15 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Tom C Subject: Re: A question about chimping , and to get it right one must see. Or one must have enough confidence in their knowledge and abilities. You're right, it's a hallmark of many pro's to check and review their images on the spot in order

Re: A question about chimping

2007-11-15 Thread ann sanfedele
. ann From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: A question about chimping Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 07:36:00 -0600 - Original Message - From: Tom C Subject: Re: A question about chimping , and to get it right one must see. Or one must have enough confidence

RE: A question about chimping

2007-11-15 Thread Tom C
to preview and can make the difference between getting a good shot and not getting one. Tom C. Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 11:00:22 -0500 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: A question about chimping Tom C wrote: , and to get it right one must see. Or one must have enough

Re: A question about chimping

2007-11-15 Thread Ken Waller
If you don't occasionally chimp for exposure settings (overall R G B), you're a lot better photographer then I am. Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: ann sanfedele [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: A question about chimping Tom C wrote

Re: A question about chimping

2007-11-15 Thread Mark Roberts
Ken Waller wrote: If you don't occasionally chimp for exposure settings (overall R G B), you're a lot better photographer then I am. I don't think that checking histograms counts as chimping, though. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: A question about chimping

2007-11-15 Thread Bob Blakely
, but a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. From: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Tom C Subject: Re: A question about chimping , and to get it right one must see. Or one must have enough confidence in their knowledge and abilities. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List

Re: A question about chimping

2007-11-15 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Bob Blakely Subject: Re: A question about chimping I recently shot a hockey game (Ducks vs. Sharks). The first thing I did was shoot an example shot from my view point. This gave me the info I needed to: 1.Correct color temperature. 2.Correct

Re: A question about chimping

2007-11-15 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Tom C Subject: RE: A question about chimping My point was that it's far better than having nothing to preview and can make the difference between getting a good shot and not getting one. It can as easily be the difference between getting a crappy shot

RE: A question about chimping

2007-11-15 Thread Tom C
My point was that it's far better than having nothing to preview and can make the difference between getting a good shot and not getting one. It can as easily be the difference between getting a crappy shot and an even crappier one, depending on what you are not photographing while you

Re: A question about chimping

2007-11-15 Thread Paul Stenquist
- From: David Savage Subject: Re: A question about chimping How about shooting tethered to your laptop review that way? I don't have the Remote Assistant for the K10 (is there such a beast) operational, and I believe I would need to upgrade the firmware and give up the ability to play

Re: A question about chimping

2007-11-15 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Godfrey DiGiorgi Subject: Re: A question about chimping On Nov 15, 2007, at 3:16 PM, William Robb wrote: How about shooting tethered to your laptop review that way? I don't have the Remote Assistant for the K10 (is there such a beast) operational

Re: A question about chimping

2007-11-15 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 11/15/2007 8:50:58 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: My point was that it's far better than having nothing to preview and can make the difference between getting a good shot and not getting one. Tom C. == Especially when one is in a

Re: A question about chimping

2007-11-14 Thread Boris Liberman
Thanks. But then again what are these settings of sharpening and contrast that you set so that histogram is as close as possible to the RAW data? Boris Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: If you leave the JPEG settings at full resolution and normal defaults, approximately 8-12x will be close to 1:1

Re: A question about chimping

2007-11-14 Thread David Savage
On Nov 14, 2007 6:20 PM, Boris Liberman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks. But then again what are these settings of sharpening and contrast that you set so that histogram is as close as possible to the RAW data? The in camera contrast, saturation sharpening settings? Press Menu, and they're

Re: A question about chimping

2007-11-14 Thread David Savage
On Nov 14, 2007 2:30 PM, Boris Liberman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi! I like chimping Mark! Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the

Re: A question about chimping

2007-11-14 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Nov 14, 2007, at 2:50 AM, David Savage wrote: On Nov 14, 2007 6:20 PM, Boris Liberman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks. But then again what are these settings of sharpening and contrast that you set so that histogram is as close as possible to the RAW data? The in camera contrast,

Re: A question about chimping

2007-11-14 Thread pnstenquist
Thanks for this. Good info. I hadn't realized that the jpeg settings affected the histogram. Paul -- Original message -- From: Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Nov 14, 2007, at 2:50 AM, David Savage wrote: On Nov 14, 2007 6:20 PM, Boris Liberman

Re: A question about chimping

2007-11-14 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
Just FYI: The reason for this is that the histogram and saturation blinkies are calculated from the preview JPEG embedded in the RAW file. Godfrey On Nov 14, 2007, at 7:40 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for this. Good info. I hadn't realized that the jpeg settings affected the

Re: A question about chimping

2007-11-14 Thread Boris Liberman
Indeed, I often noticed that whatever is blinking on camera screen is not blinking in the LR ;-). Boris Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: Just FYI: The reason for this is that the histogram and saturation blinkies are calculated from the preview JPEG embedded in the RAW file. Godfrey -- PDML

Re: A question about chimping

2007-11-14 Thread Bob Blakely
What the hell is chimping? Regards, Bob... -- Gort, klaatu barrada nikto! -- Guess the author! -- Guess the source! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link

Re: A question about chimping

2007-11-14 Thread Boris Liberman
Bob, chimping is the process of reviewing the photographs just taken on the small screen of your digital camera. It has the same root as word chimp-anzee... Boris Bob Blakely wrote: What the hell is chimping? Regards, Bob... -- Gort, klaatu barrada nikto!

Re: A question about chimping

2007-11-14 Thread ann sanfedele
looking at the (digital) photos you just took to check you got it right. the joke being if you like it you are going oooh oooh imitating the sound a chimp makes. ann Bob Blakely wrote: What the hell is chimping? Regards, Bob... -- Gort, klaatu barrada nikto! --

Re: A question about chimping

2007-11-14 Thread Bob Blakely
Reviewing the shot(s) on my digital camera is the same as shooting a Polaroid, only more efficient! Chimping. It sounds like a term a photo luddite would coin. Regards, Bob... -- Gort, klaatu barrada nikto! -- Guess the author! -- Guess the source! From: Boris

Re: A question about chimping

2007-11-14 Thread Doug Franklin
Bob Blakely wrote: Chimping. It sounds like a term a photo luddite would coin. It's more obvious when you're at an event or a happening or something and you see a whole group of photogs doing it all at the same time. Definitely shades of oohh, oohh, aahh, aahh when you're seeing it happen

Re: A question about chimping

2007-11-14 Thread David Savage
On Nov 15, 2007 8:02 AM, Bob Blakely [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Reviewing the shot(s) on my digital camera is the same as shooting a Polaroid, only more efficient! Chimping. It sounds like a term a photo luddite would coin. If the video that Cotty posted some time ago is to be believed, the

Re: A question about chimping

2007-11-14 Thread P. J. Alling
And once again, here ya go! http://www.sportsshooter.com/special_feature/chimping/index.html Bob Blakely wrote: What the hell is chimping? Regards, Bob... -- Gort, klaatu barrada nikto! -- Guess the author! -- Guess the source! -- The difference

Re: A question about chimping

2007-11-14 Thread P. J. Alling
Chimping is a bit different from reviewing, it usually includes sound effects something like, Ooh, Ooh, Ooh, looitthis. Ooh, Ooh... ;-) Bob Blakely wrote: Reviewing the shot(s) on my digital camera is the same as shooting a Polaroid, only more efficient! Chimping. It sounds like a term a

Re: A question about chimping

2007-11-14 Thread John Francis
On Wed, Nov 14, 2007 at 03:02:09PM -0800, Bob Blakely wrote: Reviewing the shot(s) on my digital camera is the same as shooting a Polaroid, only more efficient! Chimping. It sounds like a term a photo luddite would coin. I believe it came from the exact opposite end of the spectrum - a

Re: A question about chimping

2007-11-14 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Nov 14, 2007, at 10:09 AM, Bob Blakely wrote: What the hell is chimping? A disparaging description of checking the LCD that arose out of film camera users envying digital camera users the ability to check their exposures instantaneously. Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List

Re: A question about chimping

2007-11-14 Thread Tom C
Reviewing the shot(s) on my digital camera is the same as shooting a Polaroid, only more efficient! Chimping. It sounds like a term a photo luddite would coin. Regards, Bob... --- It seems to me the term is now used often in a euphemistic derogatory sense that implies one

RE: A question about chimping

2007-11-14 Thread Tom C
That's definitely monkey business. :-) Tom C. Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 23:26:07 -0500 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: A question about chimping Tom C wrote: It seems to me the term is now used often in a euphemistic derogatory sense that implies one must

A question about chimping

2007-11-13 Thread Boris Liberman
Hi! I like chimping ;-). (Like - I am alcoholic) But I am curious ;-). Well, seriously now. On K10D one may zoom in as much as 20x into the image. Can anyone tell me what does it mean in terms of looking at the photo on the computer screen? And what is K10D equivalent of 100%? Thanks. Boris

Re: A question about chimping

2007-11-13 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
If you leave the JPEG settings at full resolution and normal defaults, approximately 8-12x will be close to 1:1 pixel resolution for checking sharpness. Since I capture exclusively in RAW format, I set JPEG settings to minimum size, sharpening and contrast so that the histogram is as