Re: I seem to have stepped into an alternate universe...

2013-10-22 Thread steve harley
[in an old thread] on 2013-10-10 9:28 CollinB wrote So it's like the old 6-10Mp cameras equal shooting 125 and now we all have blad equivalent bodies and still drool for more. taking this thought experiment literally, if we assume megapixel increases are equivalent to film area increases

Re: I seem to have stepped into an alternate universe...

2013-10-12 Thread Boris Liberman
Curiously, we had our friends visit us today. I have exported all the photos from our vacation in 1000 pixels over long side format and ran them through built-in slide show program of my Panasonic 32 TV. They looked rather surprisingly good in terms of visibility of things that I thought made the

Re: I seem to have stepped into an alternate universe...

2013-10-10 Thread Bill
On 09/10/2013 8:03 PM, Larry Colen wrote: On Wed, Oct 09, 2013 at 09:42:36PM -0400, Mark C wrote: On 10/9/2013 9:03 PM, Larry Colen wrote: On Wed, Oct 09, 2013 at 08:46:33PM -0400, Mark C wrote: On 10/9/2013 8:41 PM, Darren Addy wrote: Pentax marketing is being PRAISED?

Re: I seem to have stepped into an alternate universe...

2013-10-10 Thread Tom C
From: Bill anotherdrunken...@gmail.com Pentax has been on it's way out since I was selling cameras 30 years ago. They went from being an industry leader to a wannabe in one generation of cameras. All of a sudden, they have something to market that, in many ways, leapfrogs the competition

Re: I seem to have stepped into an alternate universe...

2013-10-10 Thread Darren Addy
Wow. I thought that most of us had advanced beyond thinking that megapixels was the only metric to use when comparing DSLR capabilities. On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 9:15 AM, Tom C caka...@gmail.com wrote: From: Bill anotherdrunken...@gmail.com Pentax has been on it's way out since I was selling

Re: I seem to have stepped into an alternate universe...

2013-10-10 Thread Tom C
Darren Addy wrote: Wow. I thought that most of us had advanced beyond thinking that megapixels was the only metric to use when comparing DSLR capabilities. Dear Darren, 1. What are you comparing? You haven't touched it yet. 2. You beat the same old drum even when Pentax now has a higher

Re: I seem to have stepped into an alternate universe...

2013-10-10 Thread CollinB
Wow. I thought that most of us had advanced beyond thinking that megapixels was the only metric to use when comparing DSLR capabilities. How soon we forget ... that the bigger the neg the better the image. Pixel count is merely the digital equivalent of larger film formats -- except we get to

Re: I seem to have stepped into an alternate universe...

2013-10-10 Thread Darren Addy
On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 10:24 AM, Tom C caka...@gmail.com wrote: Darren Addy wrote: Wow. I thought that most of us had advanced beyond thinking that megapixels was the only metric to use when comparing DSLR capabilities. Dear Darren, 1. What are you comparing? You haven't touched it yet.

Re: I seem to have stepped into an alternate universe...

2013-10-10 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
Wow. I thought that most of us had advanced beyond thinking that megapixels was the only metric to use when comparing DSLR capabilities. How soon we forget ... that the bigger the neg the better the image. Pixel count is merely the digital equivalent of larger film formats -- Snore.

Re: I seem to have stepped into an alternate universe...

2013-10-10 Thread Darren Addy
You are oversimplifying things a bit Collin. In the film world there was more than size, there was WHAT FILM you put in the camera. You had your choice of different speed films and had to pay a price in the grain (for example). Similarly, in the digital world more pixels does not equal larger

Re: I seem to have stepped into an alternate universe...

2013-10-10 Thread Tom C
Darren Addy wrote: What are bashing? You haven't touched it yet. You. :) Certainly not the K-3. I was reacting to the word leapfrogs in Bill's post. Not sure what you are referring to when you say beat the same old drum, and maybe you haven't been following the earlier threads on the K-3

Re: I seem to have stepped into an alternate universe...

2013-10-10 Thread CollinB
You are oversimplifying things a bit Collin. Simplifying yes, but not, I would argue, oversimplifying. Different films have the characteristic differences of changes to sensors and firmware behind them. Certainly nobody would argue that all DSLRs are functional equivalents. What comes after

Re: I seem to have stepped into an alternate universe...

2013-10-10 Thread Darren Addy
I was reacting to the word leapfrogs in Bill's post. I know you were. The thing that, frankly, bugs me the most about your criticisms, in particular, is that they come from someone who has no personal experience with Pentax bodies since the K-7. What you cannot know, from personal experience,

Re: I seem to have stepped into an alternate universe...

2013-10-10 Thread Tom C
I know you were. The thing that, frankly, bugs me the most about your criticisms, in particular, is that they come from someone who has no personal experience with Pentax bodies since the K-7. What you cannot know, from personal experience, is that Pentax leapfrogged the competition in the

Re: I seem to have stepped into an alternate universe...

2013-10-10 Thread Larry Colen
On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 12:57:21PM -0600, Tom C wrote: dpreview writes in it's K-5 review: The Pentax K-5's noise reduction does a remarkably good job and is pretty much on par with the best performing APS-C camera in low light that we've tested so far, the Nikon D7000 (not that much of a

Re: I seem to have stepped into an alternate universe...

2013-10-10 Thread Darren Addy
Larry, you shoot with a Pentax, so what do YOU know. On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 2:36 PM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 12:57:21PM -0600, Tom C wrote: dpreview writes in it's K-5 review: The Pentax K-5's noise reduction does a remarkably good job and is pretty much

Re: I seem to have stepped into an alternate universe...

2013-10-10 Thread Tom C
Larry wrote: For whatever it's worth, the one time that I had a chance to compare a K-5 side by side with a D7000 in a low light situation (in the -2EV to 2EV range), the K-5 vastly outperformed the D7000 in every regard. I'm not here to argue the merits of a K-5 vs. D7000 Larry. Why would I?

Re: I seem to have stepped into an alternate universe...

2013-10-10 Thread Paul Stenquist
On Oct 10, 2013, at 3:55 PM, Tom C caka...@gmail.com wrote: Larry wrote: For whatever it's worth, the one time that I had a chance to compare a K-5 side by side with a D7000 in a low light situation (in the -2EV to 2EV range), the K-5 vastly outperformed the D7000 in every regard. I'm

Re: I seem to have stepped into an alternate universe...

2013-10-10 Thread Tom C
I'm not here to argue the merits of a K-5 vs. D7000 Larry. Why would I? But then you do:-) That's BS Paul and you know it. :) Tom C. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly

Re: I seem to have stepped into an alternate universe...

2013-10-10 Thread Larry Colen
On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 01:55:52PM -0600, Tom C wrote: Larry wrote: For whatever it's worth, the one time that I had a chance to compare a K-5 side by side with a D7000 in a low light situation (in the -2EV to 2EV range), the K-5 vastly outperformed the D7000 in every regard. I'm not

Re: I seem to have stepped into an alternate universe...

2013-10-10 Thread Bill
On 10/10/2013 8:15 AM, Tom C wrote: From: Bill anotherdrunken...@gmail.com Pentax has been on it's way out since I was selling cameras 30 years ago. They went from being an industry leader to a wannabe in one generation of cameras. All of a sudden, they have something to market that, in many

Re: I seem to have stepped into an alternate universe...

2013-10-10 Thread Paul Stenquist
I wonder if your camera wasn't defective in some way. I haven't done a lot of studio work with the k5, but on those jobs I've done it focused well on the modeling lights. Paul via phone On Oct 10, 2013, at 7:44 PM, Bill anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote: On 10/10/2013 8:15 AM, Tom C wrote:

Re: I seem to have stepped into an alternate universe...

2013-10-10 Thread Bill
On 10/10/2013 5:53 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: I wonder if your camera wasn't defective in some way. I haven't done a lot of studio work with the k5, but on those jobs I've done it focused well on the modeling lights. It's definitely defective. It was a known issue with the camera when it was

Re: I seem to have stepped into an alternate universe...

2013-10-10 Thread P.J. Alling
I not goo-goo gah-gah over 24mp. Everything in my image processing system is sized for making at most 300dpi 13x19 prints, and even that will severely strain the system. Any processing out of the ordinary with a K20D file, (about 240dpi at that print size), can take a very long time to

I seem to have stepped into an alternate universe...

2013-10-09 Thread Darren Addy
Pentax marketing is being PRAISED? http://petapixel.com/2013/10/09/attention-camera-marketing-departments-tell-sensor/ Pinch me, I must be dreaming. -- Nothing is sure but death and Pentaxes. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to

Re: I seem to have stepped into an alternate universe...

2013-10-09 Thread Mark C
On 10/9/2013 8:41 PM, Darren Addy wrote: Pentax marketing is being PRAISED? http://petapixel.com/2013/10/09/attention-camera-marketing-departments-tell-sensor/ Pinch me, I must be dreaming. I think that's when you realize that it's Ricoh and not Pentax Mark -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail

Re: I seem to have stepped into an alternate universe...

2013-10-09 Thread Larry Colen
On Wed, Oct 09, 2013 at 08:46:33PM -0400, Mark C wrote: On 10/9/2013 8:41 PM, Darren Addy wrote: Pentax marketing is being PRAISED? http://petapixel.com/2013/10/09/attention-camera-marketing-departments-tell-sensor/ Pinch me, I must be dreaming. I think that's when you realize that it's

Re: I seem to have stepped into an alternate universe...

2013-10-09 Thread Mark C
On 10/9/2013 9:03 PM, Larry Colen wrote: On Wed, Oct 09, 2013 at 08:46:33PM -0400, Mark C wrote: On 10/9/2013 8:41 PM, Darren Addy wrote: Pentax marketing is being PRAISED? http://petapixel.com/2013/10/09/attention-camera-marketing-departments-tell-sensor/ Pinch me, I must be dreaming. I

Re: I seem to have stepped into an alternate universe...

2013-10-09 Thread Larry Colen
On Wed, Oct 09, 2013 at 09:42:36PM -0400, Mark C wrote: On 10/9/2013 9:03 PM, Larry Colen wrote: On Wed, Oct 09, 2013 at 08:46:33PM -0400, Mark C wrote: On 10/9/2013 8:41 PM, Darren Addy wrote: Pentax marketing is being PRAISED?

Re: I seem to have stepped into an alternate universe...

2013-10-09 Thread Brian Walters
Quoting Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com: Pentax marketing is being PRAISED? http://petapixel.com/2013/10/09/attention-camera-marketing-departments-tell-sensor/ Pinch me, I must be dreaming. The author of the article might be impressed but that doesn't seem to have much support in the