wild in the RAW conversion to tiff and have
yet to regret deleting the RAW files.
Kenneth Waller
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller
- Original Message -
From: John johnsess...@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: Keep the PEFs?
On 3/20/2014 12:41 PM, Charles Robinson wrote:
On Mar 14
in the RAW conversion to tiff and
have yet to regret deleting the RAW files.
Kenneth Waller
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller
- Original Message - From: John johnsess...@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: Keep the PEFs?
On 3/20/2014 12:41 PM, Charles Robinson wrote:
On Mar 14, 2014, at 23
to regret deleting the RAW files.
Kenneth Waller
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller
- Original Message - From: John johnsess...@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: Keep the PEFs?
On 3/20/2014 12:41 PM, Charles Robinson wrote:
On Mar 14, 2014, at 23:16 , Ken Waller kwal...@peoplepc.com
John -
I shot PEF's on my *ist-D and K-10D as well. My workflow eventually was
to run them through Adobe DNG converter before editing and then discard
the PEF's and work form the DNG's only. The *ist-D only offered PEF RAW
files and and the K10D offers DNG's but they are uncompressed - I
K20D PEFs are smaller the the DNGs it produces. It also gives wildly
inaccurate image space estimates available on the card in DNG mode as it
uses the average size of PEFs to calculate space.
On 3/26/2014 8:32 PM, Mark C wrote:
John -
I shot PEF's on my *ist-D and K-10D as well. My workflow
wrote:
Yep. At that point I consider the tiffs as my negative - I don't need to go
back and convert the RAW again.
-Original Message-
From: Charles Robinson charl...@visi.com
Subject: Re: Keep the PEFs?
On Mar 14, 2014, at 23:16 , Ken Waller kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote:
1. Should I
I've gotten to where I never delete photos from the camera, because if I
do, it
confuses me when I try to rename photos after I get them on the computer.
On 3/25/2014 12:56 AM, P.J. Alling wrote:
Someday someone will be looking at you hard drive find those photos
and wonder; What the hell was
the RAW again.
-Original Message-
From: Charles Robinson charl...@visi.com Subject: Re: Keep
the PEFs?
On Mar 14, 2014, at 23:16 , Ken Waller kwal...@peoplepc.com
wrote:
1. Should I convert all the old PEF files to DNG?
If you're keeping the RAW files I'd say yes. After a time
period after
. At that point I consider the tiffs as my negative - I don't need
to go back and convert the RAW again.
-Original Message-
From: Charles Robinson charl...@visi.com
Subject: Re: Keep the PEFs?
On Mar 14, 2014, at 23:16 , Ken Waller kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote:
1. Should I convert all the old PEF
I believe that both DNG Converter and LR will incorporate information in
existing .xmp sidecar files when converting to DNG, but you should do a test to
be sure.
Godfrey
On Mar 25, 2014, at 8:52 AM, John johnsess...@yahoo.com wrote:
... and another thing I should have asked:
I have
on 2014-03-24 22:56 P.J. Alling wrote
Someday someone will be looking at you hard drive find those photos and wonder;
What the hell was he thinking?
chances are, no one will ever look again at *all* the photos on any of our hard
drives
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On 3/25/2014 11:45 AM, John wrote:
What about the stand alone DNG converter from Adobe?
Is there a qualitative difference between the output of the earlier DNG
converters the current version?
I'm not sure, but I don't think there is a difference in quality between
different version of the
On 3/25/2014 11:52 AM, John wrote:
... and another thing I should have asked:
I have XMP sidecar files for many of my PEF files. Does either ACR in
Photoshop CS6 or the stand-alone DNG converter incorporate the
information in those sidecar files into the DNG when converting?
I tested this in
On Mar 25, 2014, at 5:27 PM, Mark C pdml-m...@charter.net wrote:
On 3/25/2014 11:45 AM, John wrote:
What about the stand alone DNG converter from Adobe?
Is there a qualitative difference between the output of the earlier DNG
converters the current version?
I'm not sure, but I don't
Yep. At that point I consider the tiffs as my negative - I don't need to go
back and convert the RAW again.
-Original Message-
From: Charles Robinson charl...@visi.com
Subject: Re: Keep the PEFs?
On Mar 14, 2014, at 23:16 , Ken Waller kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote:
1. Should I convert
Robinson charl...@visi.com
Subject: Re: Keep the PEFs?
On Mar 14, 2014, at 23:16 , Ken Waller kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote:
1. Should I convert all the old PEF files to DNG?
If you're keeping the RAW files I'd say yes.
After a time period after RAW file conversion I generall delete the RAW
files
24, 2014, at 3:16 PM, Kenneth Waller kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote:
Yep. At that point I consider the tiffs as my negative - I don't
need to go back and convert the RAW again.
-Original Message-
From: Charles Robinson charl...@visi.com
Subject: Re: Keep the PEFs?
On Mar 14, 2014, at 23
now than 5 or 10 years ago.
- Peter
-Original Message-
From: Paul Stenquist
Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 6:27 AM
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
Subject: Re: Keep the PEFs?
I figure my rendering skills are always improving, so I hang onto the RAWs.
Just the other day I wanted to print
On Mar 25, 2014, at 10:00 am, Brian Walters apathy...@lyons-ryan.org wrote:
Most of the photos I care about end up as multi-layered images in Photoshop
(levels, curves, contrast, maybe a filter or custom action). I always keep
the layered PSDs (as well as the original file) so that I can
Someday someone will be looking at you hard drive find those photos and
wonder; What the hell was he thinking?
Of course I should talk, someone will be looking at mine and wonder why
the hell I took so many photos of a doorknob.
On 3/25/2014 12:34 AM, David Mann wrote:
On Mar 25, 2014, at
On Mar 14, 2014, at 23:16 , Ken Waller kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote:
1. Should I convert all the old PEF files to DNG?
If you're keeping the RAW files I'd say yes.
After a time period after RAW file conversion I generall delete the RAW files.
Wow!
To my mind, this is like: After a time
On 3/20/2014 12:41 PM, Charles Robinson wrote:
On Mar 14, 2014, at 23:16 , Ken Waller kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote:
1. Should I convert all the old PEF files to DNG?
If you're keeping the RAW files I'd say yes.
After a time period after RAW file conversion I generall delete the RAW files.
On 3/20/2014 2:51 PM, John wrote:
On 3/20/2014 12:41 PM, Charles Robinson wrote:
On Mar 14, 2014, at 23:16 , Ken Waller kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote:
1. Should I convert all the old PEF files to DNG?
If you're keeping the RAW files I'd say yes.
After a time period after RAW file conversion I
On Mar 20, 2014, at 13:51 , John johnsess...@yahoo.com wrote:
On 3/20/2014 12:41 PM, Charles Robinson wrote:
On Mar 14, 2014, at 23:16 , Ken Waller kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote:
1. Should I convert all the old PEF files to DNG?
If you're keeping the RAW files I'd say yes.
After a time period
P.J. Alling wrote:
On 3/20/2014 2:51 PM, John wrote:
I'm not planning to get rid of the RAW files, I'm just asking if there's
any reason I should keep redundant RAW files (DNG *and* PEF) after
converting them?
Proof of ownership for copyright purposes maybe?
Makes no difference as far as
On 3/20/2014 4:36 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:
P.J. Alling wrote:
On 3/20/2014 2:51 PM, John wrote:
I'm not planning to get rid of the RAW files, I'm just asking if there's
any reason I should keep redundant RAW files (DNG *and* PEF) after
converting them?
Proof of ownership for copyright
On 3/20/2014 2:56 PM, P.J. Alling wrote:
On 3/20/2014 2:51 PM, John wrote:
On 3/20/2014 12:41 PM, Charles Robinson wrote:
On Mar 14, 2014, at 23:16 , Ken Waller kwal...@peoplepc.com
wrote:
1. Should I convert all the old PEF files to DNG?
If you're keeping the RAW files I'd say yes. After a
On 3/16/2014 3:02 PM, Boris Liberman wrote:
I regret not switching to DNG when I first had a chance - shot lots of
PEFs with my K10D.
IIRC - The K10D writes uncompressed DNG's which make for pretty large
files. I used PEF still with my K10D and then run the files through
Adobe DNG
If I had known then what I know now, I'd have been shooting RAW from the
get-go. But I didn't, so I didn't.
I don't blame him for it. I think he gave what he believed was good advice
based on what he knew at the time.
On 3/15/2014 1:56 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
A sad misunderstanding from
My take on this is thus:
1. Right now everyone of us has several choices of software (both for
Mac and for Windows) that comfortably works with PEF files.
2. The DNG format is constantly evolving. Each major release of Adobe
products introduces new version of the DNG format and its
On 16/03/2014 1:02 PM, Boris Liberman wrote:
I regret not switching to DNG when I first had a chance - shot lots of
PEFs with my K10D.
This is something I would really like to see Fuji do. It has been so
nice being able to seamlessly move from camera to camera with Pentax.
I've been
When I started shooting in DNG format a couple cmaeras ago I convertered
all of my old PEF's to DNG's and dumped the PEF's. It is a small savings
of drive space per file, but across lots of files it adds up.
Mark
On 3/14/2014 7:40 PM, John wrote:
I'm doing a *LOT* of computer work here
I haven't contributed to the list for a while, but I don't think this
point has been raised.
If you use one of the non-destructive editors, such as Lightroom, your
edits aren't written to the PEFs or the DNGs. In Lightroom the
changes and much of the metadata is kept in the Lightroom catalog.
On 3/15/2014 12:16 AM, Ken Waller wrote:
1. Should I convert all the old PEF files to DNG?
If you're keeping the RAW files I'd say yes. After a time period
after RAW file conversion I generall delete the RAW files.
2. Should I keep backup copies of all those old PEF files, in
addition to the
A sad misunderstanding from the early days of digital. TIFF in camera is an
8bit RGB format and essentially no better than JPEG except for the lack of
compression losses.
You can never return an RGB format to mosaiced raw data, but you can
encapsulate it in DNG. It does benefit from some
Of John
Sent: Saturday, 15 March 2014 9:41 AM
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
Subject: Keep the PEFs?
I'm doing a *LOT* of computer work here lately, what with the new Mac mini,
rescuing old files off of my mother's old computers getting ready to add
another NAS to my home network.
Among other things
/southernlight/
John Coyle
Brisbane, Australia
-Original Message-
From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of John
Sent: Saturday, 15 March 2014 9:41 AM
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
Subject: Keep the PEFs?
I'm doing a *LOT* of computer work here lately, what with the new
That is a very good point, George, regarding the XMP file. I had noiced
that PEF's always had an XMP file when edited, but DNG's did not, but
never thought about it. Having the user edits embedded in the file
strikes me as a good reason to use DNG, IMO.
Thinking about it - I must of lost the
You can never return an RGB format to mosaiced raw data, but you can
encapsulate it in DNG.
Not sure what you mean by 'encapsulate it in DNG'.
Kenneth Waller
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller
- Original Message -
From: Godfrey DiGiorgi godd...@me.com
Subject: Re: Keep
, but you can
encapsulate it in DNG.
Not sure what you mean by 'encapsulate it in DNG'.
Kenneth Waller
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller
- Original Message - From: Godfrey DiGiorgi godd...@me.com
Subject: Re: Keep the PEFs?
A sad misunderstanding from the early days
What advantage is there in encapsulating a Tiff in DNG?
Kenneth Waller
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller
- Original Message -
From: Rob Studdert distudio.p...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Keep the PEFs?
Literally using DNG as a container for the TIFF data, you retain
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- Original Message - From: Rob Studdert distudio.p...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Keep the PEFs?
Literally using DNG as a container for the TIFF data, you retain the
benefits of DNG WRT user edits but of course it can't strictly be
developed like a RAW
I'm doing a *LOT* of computer work here lately, what with the new Mac
mini, rescuing old files off of my mother's old computers getting
ready to add another NAS to my home network.
Among other things, in line with my attempts to declutter my life, I'm
contemplating revamping my photo storage
On 14/03/2014 5:40 PM, John wrote:
1. Should I convert all the old PEF files to DNG?
2. Should I keep backup copies of all those old PEF files, in addition
to the two backups (on off site) I intend to make for the DNG files?
3. Some of the *ist-D files are .TIF files - can I, should I convert
On Mar 14, 2014, at 4:40 PM, John johnsess...@yahoo.com wrote:
1. Should I convert all the old PEF files to DNG?
2. Should I keep backup copies of all those old PEF files, in addition
to the two backups (on off site) I intend to make for the DNG files?
3. Some of the *ist-D files are .TIF
John wrote:
1. Should I convert all the old PEF files to DNG?
2. Should I keep backup copies of all those old PEF files, in addition
to the two backups (on off site) I intend to make for the DNG files?
3. Some of the *ist-D files are .TIF files - can I, should I convert
those to DNG as well?
and widely-supported format makes sense as the original
format to use and keep.
John Coyle
Brisbane, Australia
-Original Message-
From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of John
Sent: Saturday, 15 March 2014 9:41 AM
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
Subject: Keep the PEFs?
I'm doing
: John johnsess...@yahoo.com
Subject: Keep the PEFs?
I'm doing a *LOT* of computer work here lately, what with the new Mac
mini, rescuing old files off of my mother's old computers getting
ready to add another NAS to my home network.
Among other things, in line with my attempts to declutter my
. Some of the *ist-D files are .TIF files - can I, should I convert
those to DNG as well?
I wasn't aware you could convert .Tif files back to DNG
Kenneth Waller
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller
- Original Message - From: John johnsess...@yahoo.com
Subject: Keep
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