My own observations based on a couple weeks getting an in store lab back
up and running.
This is an upscale big-box chain department store. The store I'm working
in is one of the smaller stores in the chain and it's located in a
revamped yuppified retail center catering to a clientèle with
I agree with Scott 100% as a former Sterling Drug employee. They
purchased Sterling and years latter there was nothing left of what it
was as an organization. It was dismembered in parts like a rag doll and
when they saw they could not do any more harm they sold what was left,
they may have
P. J. Alling wrote:
Mark Roberts wrote:
P. J. Alling wrote:
Isn't Film still profitable?
On a per-roll or percentage basis. But making a big percentage profit
per roll doesn't work when the number of rolls sold drops below a
certain level.
So a roll of film is very profitable but
- Original Message -
From: Brian Dunn
Subject: Re: Kodak May Get Out of Film Sooner
They could have kept film alive longer with better scanning at time of
processing. The usual 1200dpi gives around a 5M pixel scan with great
dynamic range ( each pixel is scanned for each of three
William Robb wrote:
- Original Message -
From: Brian Dunn
Subject: Re: Kodak May Get Out of Film Sooner
They could have kept film alive longer with better scanning at time of
processing. The usual 1200dpi gives around a 5M pixel scan with great
dynamic range ( each pixel
- Original Message -
From: Adam Maas
Subject: Re: Kodak May Get Out of Film Sooner
Shopper's Drug Mart are quite happy to give a CD with every roll, for
$2.99CDN. They also give an index print (which probably costs them more
than the CD). CD's, especially bought in bulk, aren't
: Kodak May Get Out of Film Sooner
Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 10:19:49 -0600
- Original Message -
From: Adam Maas
Subject: Re: Kodak May Get Out of Film Sooner
Shopper's Drug Mart are quite happy to give a CD with every roll, for
$2.99CDN. They also give an index print (which probably costs
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From: Tom C
Subject: Re: Kodak May Get Out of Film Sooner
Do instore labs actually turn a profit or are they there, more or less, to
get people in the store with the hope they purchase other items?
If they are being run right, they don't, just because
Subject: Re: Kodak May Get Out of Film Sooner
Shopper's Drug Mart are quite happy to give a CD with every roll, for
$2.99CDN. They also give an index print (which probably costs them more
than the CD). CD's, especially bought in bulk, aren't much more
expensive than the envelopes the negs
My friend the camera store owner must be a unique case, then. His
sales are as I described; I was mistaken to extrapolate them across
the whole market.
At 9:30 PM -0500 2/8/07, Paul Stenquist wrote:
The opposite is actually true, due to the still healthy sales of
disposables. Most E6 labs have
On Feb 8, 2007, at 6:57 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
On Feb 8, 2007, at 3:00 PM, Scott Loveless wrote:
That's the boneheaded management at Kodak for you. Film is a cash
cow
and Kodak just can't wait to dump it.
With the volumes of film processing dropping into the sewer,
according to
On Feb 8, 2007, at 2:26 PM, Eric Featherstone wrote:
On 08/02/07, Tom C [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'd like to think that Fuji or Ilford may have an interest in
Kodak's
technology, at the very least.
Scott Loveless
Fujak?
Tom C.
Kojak? :)
Eric.
For a VERY short time Kodak had a
Bob Shell wrote:
On Feb 8, 2007, at 6:57 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
With the volumes of film processing dropping into the sewer,
according to everyone in the photofinishing business this past year,
I think the cash cow's milk has become sour.
Film hasn't been a cash cow for years. More
On Feb 9, 2007, at 3:30 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:
Bob Shell wrote:
On Feb 8, 2007, at 6:57 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
With the volumes of film processing dropping into the sewer,
according to everyone in the photofinishing business this past year,
I think the cash cow's milk has become
http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/technology/article1343516.ece
http://tinyurl.com/373zmj
Tom C.
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On 2/8/07, Tom C [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/technology/article1343516.ece
http://tinyurl.com/373zmj
So who's down and out so far? Agfa and Forte? Anyone else? I really
expected Kodak to be the last man standing.
This could be
On 2/8/07, Tom C [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/technology/article1343516.ece
http://tinyurl.com/373zmj
I'd like to think that Fuji or Ilford may have an interest in Kodak's
technology,
at the very least.
Scott Loveless
Fujak?
On 2/8/07, Tom C [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 2/8/07, Tom C [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/technology/article1343516.ece
http://tinyurl.com/373zmj
I'd like to think that Fuji or Ilford may have an interest in Kodak's
Scott Loveless wrote:
I really expected Kodak to be the last man standing.
boggle
You must be referring to a different Kodak than the one I've been
observing for the past 20 years or so! I'm surprised they've survived
this long, given their management.
If Kodak wasn't planning on selling off
Scott Loveless wrote:
On 2/8/07, Tom C [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/technology/article1343516.ece
http://tinyurl.com/373zmj
So who's down and out so far? Agfa and Forte? Anyone else? I really
expected Kodak to be the last man
On 2/8/07, Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Scott Loveless wrote:
I really expected Kodak to be the last man standing.
I wasn't very clear. What I meant to say was that I expected to Kodak
to hold on to the film business to the bitter end.
boggle
You must be referring to a different
On 2/8/07, Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Rumour has it that Forte's factory may have been sold. But it seriously
needed an upgrade (they were running pre-WW2 equipment).
Kodak wants to sell its film line, not shut it down. I suspect that if
they sell it, the film unit will outlast Kodak
On 2/08/07 12:45 PM, Adam Maas, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Kodak wants to sell its film line, not shut it down. I suspect that if
they sell it, the film unit will outlast Kodak proper.
I understand that Fuji has been instigating return to film (paraphrasing)
campaign for quite some time. Not
Quoting Scott Loveless [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Something I hadn't thought of earlier is that Lucky may end up with at
least some of it. Not sure if that would be good for product quality,
but if they get the emulsion right it wouldn't be all bad.
Kodak's amateur film is all being made in China
On 2/8/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Quoting Scott Loveless [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Something I hadn't thought of earlier is that Lucky may end up with at
least some of it. Not sure if that would be good for product quality,
but if they get the emulsion right it wouldn't be
On 08/02/07, Tom C [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'd like to think that Fuji or Ilford may have an interest in Kodak's
technology, at the very least.
Scott Loveless
Fujak?
Tom C.
Kojak? :)
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K.Takeshita wrote:
On 2/08/07 12:45 PM, Adam Maas, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Kodak wants to sell its film line, not shut it down. I suspect that if
they sell it, the film unit will outlast Kodak proper.
I understand that Fuji has been instigating return to film (paraphrasing)
campaign for
Isn't Film still profitable? As opposed to digital cameras where they
sell at a loss and make up the difference on volume.
Tom C wrote:
http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/technology/article1343516.ece
http://tinyurl.com/373zmj
Tom C.
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There's been rumors of Forte's demise but their web site is still up and
they list a bunch of film products.
Scott Loveless wrote:
On 2/8/07, Tom C [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/technology/article1343516.ece
Forte's done. Last I heard they were shopping for a buyer. Adam said
they may have found one.
J and C Photo was offering Classic Pan film, which was made by
Forte. Right now, they're closed while they relocate their business.
There are more rumors that they may actually be tooling up to coat
That's the boneheaded management at Kodak for you. Film is a cash cow
and Kodak just can't wait to dump it.
On 2/8/07, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Isn't Film still profitable? As opposed to digital cameras where they
sell at a loss and make up the difference on volume.
Tom C
Kojak? :)
With every roll of film a free lollipop!
Eric Featherstone wrote:
On 08/02/07, Tom C [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'd like to think that Fuji or Ilford may have an interest in Kodak's
technology, at the very least.
Scott Loveless
Fujak?
Tom C.
Kojak? :)
On Feb 8, 2007, at 3:00 PM, Scott Loveless wrote:
That's the boneheaded management at Kodak for you. Film is a cash cow
and Kodak just can't wait to dump it.
With the volumes of film processing dropping into the sewer,
according to everyone in the photofinishing business this past year,
On 2/8/07, Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Feb 8, 2007, at 3:00 PM, Scott Loveless wrote:
That's the boneheaded management at Kodak for you. Film is a cash cow
and Kodak just can't wait to dump it.
With the volumes of film processing dropping into the sewer,
according to
On 08/02/07, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Kojak? :)
With every roll of film a free lollipop!
Film sucks, huh! :)
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On 2/8/07, Scott Loveless [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 2/8/07, Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Feb 8, 2007, at 3:00 PM, Scott Loveless wrote:
That's the boneheaded management at Kodak for you. Film is a cash cow
and Kodak just can't wait to dump it.
With the volumes
On 2/8/07, Scott Loveless [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 2/8/07, Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Feb 8, 2007, at 3:00 PM, Scott Loveless wrote:
That's the boneheaded management at Kodak for you. Film is a cash cow
and Kodak just can't wait to dump it.
With the volumes
On Feb 8, 2007, at 4:41 PM, Scott Loveless wrote:
On 2/8/07, Scott Loveless [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 2/8/07, Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Feb 8, 2007, at 3:00 PM, Scott Loveless wrote:
That's the boneheaded management at Kodak for you. Film is a
cash cow
and Kodak
No but if you buy Kojak film you're a sucker...
Eric Featherstone wrote:
On 08/02/07, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Kojak? :)
With every roll of film a free lollipop!
Film sucks, huh! :)
Eric.
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From:
Adam Maas
K.Takeshita wrote:
On 2/08/07 12:45 PM, Adam Maas, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Kodak wants to sell its film line, not shut it down. I suspect that if
they sell it, the film unit will outlast Kodak proper.
I understand that Fuji has been instigating return to film
There was a PR posted on APUG a couple of weeks ago saying they'd ended
production. They're still selling off already produced product (heck,
you can still get Agfa stuff more than a year after shutdown).
-Adam
P. J. Alling wrote:
There's been rumors of Forte's demise but their web site is
One of the rumours is that JC bought the factory, and getting it online
is the main reason for the shutdown. Nobody knows for sure though, and
JC certainly isn't talking.
-Adam
Scott Loveless wrote:
Forte's done. Last I heard they were shopping for a buyer. Adam said
they may have found
It is my understanding that it's the print films that have crashed in
sales, since that is what the point-and-shooters use...and they have
largely gone digital. E-6 and black and white are holding up well,
though.
Just from my own worm's-eye-view of the industry, I expect 35mm C-41
film and
The opposite is actually true, due to the still healthy sales of
disposables. Most E6 labs have shut down.
Paul
On Feb 8, 2007, at 8:48 PM, Steve Sharpe wrote:
It is my understanding that it's the print films that have crashed in
sales, since that is what the point-and-shooters use...and they
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From: Paul Stenquist
Subject: Re: Kodak May Get Out of Film Sooner
The opposite is actually true, due to the still healthy sales of
disposables. Most E6 labs have shut down.
Not being in the business anymore, I don't have access to the numbers, but I
still talk
P. J. Alling wrote:
Isn't Film still profitable?
On a per-roll or percentage basis. But making a big percentage profit
per roll doesn't work when the number of rolls sold drops below a
certain level.
So a roll of film is very profitable but film isn't.
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Yes, except that Kodak isn't at that point yet. In fact every breakdown
I've ever seen of their profits by division has them making money in
film sales and chemicals and losing money on digital imaging.
Eventually it may happen that operating profits on film will entirely
disappear but with
They could have kept film alive longer with better scanning at time of
processing. The usual 1200dpi gives around a 5M pixel scan with great
dynamic range ( each pixel is scanned for each of three colors instead of the
RGBG mask which digital cameras use ), but then they compress it into a
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