Re: Look kids, the 50-200mm f/4-5.6 ED is here!

2005-06-17 Thread Kostas Kavoussanakis
On Thu, 16 Jun 2005, keithw wrote: Oooo! That'll make the wallet thinner, won't it? I think it will be a good opportunity for some of us to put our money where our mouth is. Kostas

Re: Look kids, the 50-200mm f/4-5.6 ED is here!

2005-06-17 Thread Peter Belak
I think it will be a good opportunity for some of us to put our money where our mouth is. ?? I don't understand.. I am happy to see this lens is here (there in US). Anybody knows if (or when) it is available in EU? Peter Belak

Re: Look kids, the 50-200mm f/4-5.6 ED is here!

2005-06-17 Thread Kostas Kavoussanakis
On Fri, 17 Jun 2005, David Nelson wrote: Kostas Kavoussanakis wrote: I believe a FF (35mm) 50-200/4 is on the cards. You sure? I think the pentax roadmap didn't mention its speed or exact focal length (just that it would be a High-performance D FA Telephoto zoom) - personally I'd expect it

Re: Look kids, the 50-200mm f/4-5.6 ED is here!

2005-06-17 Thread David Nelson
I can't find the roadmap diagram anymore, so no. 210? Why? Nothing terribly significant but the FL range oval on the roadmap goes deliberately past 200mm (the DA 50-200 stops obviously at 200). http://www.tekade.de/news/html/pentax-roadmap.html

Re: Look kids, the 50-200mm f/4-5.6 ED is here!

2005-06-17 Thread John Whittingham
You sure? I think the pentax roadmap didn't mention its speed or exact focal length (just that it would be a High-performance D FA Telephoto zoom) - personally I'd expect it to be 50-210 f/2.8 Got any other sources? I can't find the roadmap diagram anymore, so no. 210? Why? Could

Re: Look kids, the 50-200mm f/4-5.6 ED is here!

2005-06-17 Thread Sylwester Pietrzyk
John Whittingham wrote on 17.06.05 11:31: I think an affordable constant aperture f/4 with excellent image quality would sell very well. Especially with ED glass, internal focusing and removable tripod mount :-) -- Balance is the ultimate good... Best Regards Sylwek

Re: Look kids, the 50-200mm f/4-5.6 ED is here!

2005-06-17 Thread Kostas Kavoussanakis
On Fri, 17 Jun 2005, David Nelson wrote: I just reckon that an f/4 version would be hard to market as being better than the DA unless it was well touted as being super sharp wide open (hard to imagine). I suppose there's always the FF thing. Exactly, and the constant aperture. One is clearly

Re: Look kids, the 50-200mm f/4-5.6 ED is here!

2005-06-17 Thread John Whittingham
Especially with ED glass, internal focusing and removable tripod mount :-) Oooh stop you're getting me all excited now 8) You only have to look at the Pentax A 70-210 f/4 reputation, people are still raving about it now and it's been around 20+ years!!! Constant aperture, reasonable

Re: Look kids, the 50-200mm f/4-5.6 ED is here!

2005-06-17 Thread Kostas Kavoussanakis
On Fri, 17 Jun 2005, Peter Belak wrote: I think it will be a good opportunity for some of us to put our money where our mouth is. ?? I don't understand.. I mean that many people have (correctly, in my opinion) moaned for a long time that Pentax never really produced a successor to the

Re: Look kids, the 50-200mm f/4-5.6 ED is here!

2005-06-17 Thread Peter Belak
[1] I think we two have had this discussion; I was also talking to Joaquim Carvalho just yesterday about it; John Whittingham as well in the past, the list just goes on. I was actually waiting for this type of telezoom lens. I have some nice M primes (135, 200) and A70-210 but I wish to have

Re: Look kids, the 50-200mm f/4-5.6 ED is here!

2005-06-17 Thread Sylwester Pietrzyk
John Whittingham wrote on 17.06.05 11:47: Oooh stop you're getting me all excited now 8) If all that comes true, your wallet will be less excited ;-) You only have to look at the Pentax A 70-210 f/4 reputation, people are still raving about it now and it's been around 20+ years!!! So it

Re: Look kids, the 50-200mm f/4-5.6 ED is here!

2005-06-17 Thread Kostas Kavoussanakis
On Fri, 17 Jun 2005, Sylwester Pietrzyk wrote: John Whittingham wrote on 17.06.05 11:47: Oooh stop you're getting me all excited now 8) If all that comes true, your wallet will be less excited ;-) How much was the A70-210/4 new? And how much was the Super-A (I don't expect 1985 money

Re: Look kids, the 50-200mm f/4-5.6 ED is here!

2005-06-17 Thread John Whittingham
Oooh stop you're getting me all excited now 8) If all that comes true, your wallet will be less excited ;-) Yes, definitely 8) You only have to look at the Pentax A 70-210 f/4 reputation, people are still raving about it now and it's been around 20+ years!!! So it is the highest

Re: Look kids, the 50-200mm f/4-5.6 ED is here!

2005-06-17 Thread John Whittingham
How much was the A70-210/4 new? I can look it up tonight from the last price list I have. And how much was the Super-A Bloody expensive, at least 2 MX's John

Re: Look kids, the 50-200mm f/4-5.6 ED is here!

2005-06-17 Thread Herb Chong
it may not have sold well, but it was constantly out of stock and is definitely an excellent lens. Herb - Original Message - From: Kostas Kavoussanakis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Friday, June 17, 2005 5:13 AM Subject: Re: Look kids, the 50-200mm f/4-5.6 ED

Re: Look kids, the 50-200mm f/4-5.6 ED is here!

2005-06-17 Thread Paul Stenquist
How does one do street shooting with a 200mm lens? You get out on the street and trip the shutter vbg. Yes, I frequently shoot on the street with a 35/2, but I don't always like intimacy in street shooting. Sometimes I like to catch people unawares. Here's a shot with the VS1 70-210/3.5 at

Re: Look kids, the 50-200mm f/4-5.6 ED is here!

2005-06-17 Thread Kostas Kavoussanakis
On Fri, 17 Jun 2005, John Whittingham wrote: How much was the A70-210/4 new? I can look it up tonight from the last price list I have. And how much was the Super-A Bloody expensive, at least 2 MX's And how much is that in MZ-5ns? Thanks John! Kostas (if I knew how much the MX was, I

Re: Look kids, the 50-200mm f/4-5.6 ED is here!

2005-06-17 Thread Joaquim Carvalho
Paul Stenquist wrote: Sometimes I like to catch people unawares. Here's a shot with the VS1 70-210/3.5 at 210 mm. It may not fit your definition of street shooting, which is a fuzzy term to begin with, but it's on the street, and it's a shot.

Re: Look kids, the 50-200mm f/4-5.6 ED is here!

2005-06-17 Thread Paul Stenquist
I don't know if he heard the mirror. But I stopped him when he came out of a store and showed him the pic. I then gave him a card with my e-mail address and told him I'd be happy to send it to him. Never heard from him, which is typical in my experience. Paul On Jun 17, 2005, at 7:23 AM,

Re: Look kids, the 50-200mm f/4-5.6 ED is here!

2005-06-17 Thread John Whittingham
And how much is that in MZ-5ns? Err dunno 8) I'd guess the Super A when released c.1983 would be equivalent to what the MZ- S costs now (New!) IIRC it was somewhere in the region of 250-300 GBP for the body in the UK. My first MX body c.1979 cost me 89.00 but it was discounted slightly I

Re: Re: Look kids, the 50-200mm f/4-5.6 ED is here!

2005-06-17 Thread mike wilson
From: John Whittingham [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2005/06/17 Fri AM 11:38:21 GMT To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: Look kids, the 50-200mm f/4-5.6 ED is here! And how much is that in MZ-5ns? Err dunno 8) I'd guess the Super A when released c.1983 would be equivalent to what

Re: Look kids, the 50-200mm f/4-5.6 ED is here!

2005-06-17 Thread Collin Brendemuehl
What does it look like? It's not a style typical of Pentax. Tokina? Tamron? Sincerely, Collin Sent via the WebMail system at mail.safe-t.net

Re: Look kids, the 50-200mm f/4-5.6 ED is here!

2005-06-17 Thread John Whittingham
How much was the A70-210/4 new? I can look it up tonight from the last price list I have. And how much was the Super-A Bloody expensive, at least 2 MX's Super A body (1983) 249 SMC Pentax A 24mm f2.8 (1984) 110 SMC Pentax-A 35-70 f4 (1984) 110 SMC Pentax-A 70-210 f4 (1984) 150 Motor

Re: Look kids, the 50-200mm f/4-5.6 ED is here!

2005-06-17 Thread Kostas Kavoussanakis
Bounced for enhanced text (!!), so I am deleting the pound marks and trying again. On Fri, 17 Jun 2005, John Whittingham wrote: Super A body (1983) 249 SMC Pentax A 24mm f2.8 (1984) 110 SMC Pentax-A 35-70 f4 (1984) 110 SMC Pentax-A 70-210 f4 (1984) 150 Motor Drive A = battery pack (1984)

Re: Look kids, the 50-200mm f/4-5.6 ED is here!

2005-06-17 Thread John Whittingham
[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 14:49:37 +0100 (BST) Subject: Re: Look kids, the 50-200mm f/4-5.6 ED is here! Bounced for enhanced text (!!), so I am deleting the pound marks and trying again. On Fri, 17 Jun 2005, John Whittingham wrote: Super A body

Re: Look kids, the 50-200mm f/4-5.6 ED is here!

2005-06-17 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
Paul, That's a nice tele-portrait of a man and child, but street shooting to me captures the environmental context of the street and the people who populate it. The perspective in such a tele-portrait is not intimate, nor does it capture the context of the street at all. Photos like

Re: Look kids, the 50-200mm f/4-5.6 ED is here!

2005-06-17 Thread Steve Desjardins
Some of us look for intimacy and some of us look for voyeurism. vbg I don't see how you do street shooting with a 200mm lens on 16x24mm format anyway ... even a 50mm lens on the DS is a portrait telephoto, a 200mm lens is the equivalent of a 300mm field of view in 35mm film camera terms

Re: Look kids, the 50-200mm f/4-5.6 ED is here!

2005-06-17 Thread Alan P. Hayes
At 7:32 AM -0400 6/17/05, Paul Stenquist wrote: I don't know if he heard the mirror. But I stopped him when he came out of a store and showed him the pic. I then gave him a card with my e-mail address and told him I'd be happy to send it to him. Never heard from him, which is typical in my

Re: Look kids, the 50-200mm f/4-5.6 ED is here!

2005-06-17 Thread pnstenquist
I've heard all the narrow, pretentious definitions of street shooting before. I think anything that defines a genre too narrowly is merely limiting. Yes, HCB shot with normal lenses, and I frequently shoot with normal to wide lenses as well. But that's not all I do. I care not a hoot for

Re: Look kids, the 50-200mm f/4-5.6 ED is here!

2005-06-17 Thread Joaquim Carvalho
On Fri, 2005-06-17 at 14:13, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: Photos like these two from my PAW: People Portaits 2005 series are a little closer to the notion of street shooting as I see it: http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/photo/PAW5/13.htm http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/photo/PAW5/15.htm

Re: Look kids, the 50-200mm f/4-5.6 ED is here!

2005-06-17 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
Sigh. To each his own means what the fsck do I care about your opinion? which basically means 'end of discussion' to me. But I'll try. Definitions are important, Paul: they're the foundation of categorization and judgement. Otherwise the only comment you can make in the discussion of

Re: Look kids, the 50-200mm f/4-5.6 ED is here!

2005-06-17 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Jun 17, 2005, at 9:44 AM, Joaquim Carvalho wrote: Photos like these two from my PAW: People Portaits 2005 series are a little closer to the notion of street shooting as I see it: http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/photo/PAW5/13.htm http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/photo/PAW5/15.htm Great

Re: Look kids, the 50-200mm f/4-5.6 ED is here!

2005-06-17 Thread Graywolf
Look at me! It is a form of exhibitionism. A demand for attention. graywolf http://www.graywolfphoto.com Idiot Proof == Expert Proof --- Alan P. Hayes wrote: At 7:32 AM -0400 6/17/05, Paul Stenquist wrote: I don't know if he heard the mirror. But I stopped him

Re: Look kids, the 50-200mm f/4-5.6 ED is here!

2005-06-17 Thread pnstenquist
To each his own merely means that different people interpret different things -- or art forms-- in their own way. Street shooting is a very fuzzy term. It doesn't clearly define a genre. If you prefer, you don't have to refer to tight, long lens street shots as street shots. I'm not concerned

Look kids, the 50-200mm f/4-5.6 ED is here!

2005-06-16 Thread Don Sanderson
http://tinyurl.com/de67s A new lens from Pentax, and it's actually available! WooHoo! Don

Re: Look kids, the 50-200mm f/4-5.6 ED is here!

2005-06-16 Thread keithw
Don Sanderson wrote: http://tinyurl.com/de67s A new lens from Pentax, and it's actually available! WooHoo! Don Excellent price, too! Only problem: The image circle in DA-series lenses is designed to perfectly match the 23.5mm x 15.7mm size of the CCD used in PENTAX

Re: Look kids, the 50-200mm f/4-5.6 ED is here!

2005-06-16 Thread Kostas Kavoussanakis
On Thu, 16 Jun 2005, keithw wrote: On the other hand, it's perfect for those of us who have put away out film cameras and embraced the *istD's... g I believe a FF (35mm) 50-200/4 is on the cards. Kostas

Re: Look kids, the 50-200mm f/4-5.6 ED is here!

2005-06-16 Thread keithw
Kostas Kavoussanakis wrote: On Thu, 16 Jun 2005, keithw wrote: On the other hand, it's perfect for those of us who have put away out film cameras and embraced the *istD's... g I believe a FF (35mm) 50-200/4 is on the cards. Kostas Oooo! That'll make the wallet thinner, won't it? keith

RE: Look kids, the 50-200mm f/4-5.6 ED is here!

2005-06-16 Thread Don Sanderson
I've been waiting for this lens for a while now. It's s tiny! Mine's ordered. ;-) Don -Original Message- From: keithw [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2005 5:07 PM To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: Look kids, the 50-200mm f/4-5.6 ED is here! Don

Re: Look kids, the 50-200mm f/4-5.6 ED is here!

2005-06-16 Thread John Whittingham
(BST) Subject: Re: Look kids, the 50-200mm f/4-5.6 ED is here! On Thu, 16 Jun 2005, keithw wrote: On the other hand, it's perfect for those of us who have put away out film cameras and embraced the *istD's... g I believe a FF (35mm) 50-200/4 is on the cards. Kostas --- End

Re: Look kids, the 50-200mm f/4-5.6 ED is here!

2005-06-16 Thread Herb Chong
6:49 PM Subject: RE: Look kids, the 50-200mm f/4-5.6 ED is here! I've been waiting for this lens for a while now. It's s tiny! Mine's ordered. ;-)

Re: Look kids, the 50-200mm f/4-5.6 ED is here!

2005-06-16 Thread David Nelson
Kostas Kavoussanakis wrote: I believe a FF (35mm) 50-200/4 is on the cards. You sure? I think the pentax roadmap didn't mention its speed or exact focal length (just that it would be a High-performance D FA Telephoto zoom) - personally I'd expect it to be 50-210 f/2.8 Got any other sources?

Re: Look kids, the 50-200mm f/4-5.6 ED is here!

2005-06-16 Thread Paul Stenquist
] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2005 6:49 PM Subject: RE: Look kids, the 50-200mm f/4-5.6 ED is here! I've been waiting for this lens for a while now. It's s tiny! Mine's ordered. ;-)

Re: Look kids, the 50-200mm f/4-5.6 ED is here!

2005-06-16 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Jun 16, 2005, at 7:28 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: I ordered one from BH. It's a little slow at the long end, but if it performs as well as the DA 16-45, I can live with the small ap. Should be a lot of fun for street shooting since it's so compact and inconspicuous. And teamed with the