Re: OT: Labelling messages by topic D: S: F: P: OT: and so on (2)

2004-01-28 Thread Lon Williamson
Frank is now in my kill file. And also, my drinks file. Hic. ---Lon the Blatently Stupid. And, BTW, Cotty can't be trusted any further than you can throw any engine out of a 1950's 'Murican car. Hic. -Lon, the icredibly besotten. frank theriault wrote: Drinks? Did someone

Re: OT: Labelling messages by topic D: S: F: P: OT: and so on (2)

2004-01-27 Thread Bruce Dayton
I'm with Christian on this. This list is more than just about Pentax. Having been on the list for quite a while, I find the ebb and flow to give me much more than just the basics of photography. There are many that have become friends and many whose opinions I value. Leave it just the way it

Re: OT: Labelling messages by topic D: S: F: P: OT: and so on (2)

2004-01-27 Thread Herb Chong
what server is smart enough to know the right list? Herb - Original Message - From: alex wetmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 1:01 AM Subject: Re: OT: Labelling messages by topic D: S: F: P: OT: and so on (2) It is fairly easy

Re: OT: Labelling messages by topic D: S: F: P: OT: and so on (2)

2004-01-27 Thread Jostein
- Original Message - From: Keith Whaley [EMAIL PROTECTED] And here I sit, trying to determine who AH is. I just can't seem to fit the initials with anyone I know. . . Hmmm. I got a feeling that AH is also known under WTSDS... Cheers, Jostein

Re: OT: Labelling messages by topic D: S: F: P: OT: and so on (2)

2004-01-27 Thread Cotty
On 26/1/04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged: That is not necessarily true. An unmoderated list with good involvement by the list manager can generally keep things on topic by reminding people not to drift too far off topic. A steady but not too strong hand doing this for a long period will grow a

Re: OT: Labelling messages by topic D: S: F: P: OT: and so on (2)

2004-01-27 Thread Cotty
On 26/1/04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged: I don't believe that you can scan 200 messages a day and decide if they are interesting to your or not, no matter what client you use. I do. And two other lists. And I work an average of 50 hours a week. Digests! You get a dozen or so emails a day,

Re: OT: Labelling messages by topic D: S: F: P: OT: and so on (2)

2004-01-27 Thread Cotty
On 26/1/04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged: Doesn't everyone have a delete key to delete those they don't want to read. Yup. And for some messages, my delete key is automatic :) You mean like thi Oh no, I don't autodelete *your* messages Cotty! (I do have a special folder for them. Kind of like a

Re: OT: Labelling messages by topic D: S: F: P: OT: and so on (2)

2004-01-27 Thread Peter Alling
I wanted to say, Yes, and plenty of heals., but that's mean and untrue... (but it would have been witty). At 01:44 PM 1/27/04, you wrote: On 26/1/04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged: That is not necessarily true. An unmoderated list with good involvement by the list manager can generally keep things

Re: OT: Labelling messages by topic D: S: F: P: OT: and so on (2)

2004-01-27 Thread Cotty
On 27/1/04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged: That is not necessarily true. An unmoderated list with good involvement by the list manager can generally keep things on topic by reminding people not to drift too far off topic. A steady but not too strong hand doing this for a long period will grow a

Re: OT: Labelling messages by topic D: S: F: P: OT: and so on (2)

2004-01-27 Thread frank theriault
Drinks? Did someone say Drinks? -frank (suddenly becoming quite interested in what so far has been a pretty boring thread) The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer From: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] snip You got a

OT: Labelling messages by topic D: S: F: P: OT: and so on (2)

2004-01-26 Thread Dr E D F Williams
Labelling the subject in some simple way would not only help people like me to eliminate unwanted posts -- but an F: for film would help select the desirable ones as well. If the task becomes too laborious, as it often does, I may sacrifice all and lose valuable exchanges as a result. Is that what

Re: OT: Labelling messages by topic D: S: F: P: OT: and so on (2)

2004-01-26 Thread Bob W
Hi, the correct way to deal with this sort of thing is for people to use the subject line properly, and to change it as and when necessary. That is the real problem, although personally I don't think it is a particularly bad problem. If I miss something interesting in one of the threads I delete,

Re: OT: Labelling messages by topic D: S: F: P: OT: and so on (2)

2004-01-26 Thread Rob Studdert
On 26 Jan 2004 at 12:43, Bob W wrote: Easy identification of the subject, and useful filtering comes from writing and maintaining useful subject lines, not inventing new languages and trying to impose them on other people. Is my mailer the only one that can sort as easily using the messages

Re: OT: Labelling messages by topic D: S: F: P: OT: and so on (2)

2004-01-26 Thread Dr E D F Williams
! - Original Message - From: Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 26, 2004 2:43 PM Subject: Re: OT: Labelling messages by topic D: S: F: P: OT: and so on (2) Hi, the correct way to deal with this sort of thing is for people to use the subject line properly

Re: OT: Labelling messages by topic D: S: F: P: OT: and so on (2)

2004-01-26 Thread Bob W
Hi, Cheers to you too, AH. AH I suppose is some sort of coded insult because I disagree with you. If so then it reveals a great deal about you, none of it pleasant. -- Cheers, Bob

OT: Labelling messages by topic D: S: F: P: OT: and so on (2)

2004-01-26 Thread wendy beard
At 07:12 AM 26/01/2004, you wrote: And so, anything that makes it easier for others to read your contributions is helpful. Oh, I wish. I enjoy reading the list and I learn lots, but this morning I was faced by 4 digests full of quoted text on lpp/lpm and JCO's table repeated over and over and

Re: OT: Labelling messages by topic D: S: F: P: OT: and so on (2)

2004-01-26 Thread Boris Liberman
Hi! wb Oh, I wish. wb I enjoy reading the list and I learn lots, but this morning I was faced by wb 4 digests full of quoted text on lpp/lpm and JCO's table repeated over and wb over and over (and over). If there was any interesting stuff in those wb digest then I missed it. wb If you can't

Re: OT: Labelling messages by topic D: S: F: P: OT: and so on (2)

2004-01-26 Thread graywolf
Nope. Rob Studdert wrote: Is my mailer the only one that can sort as easily using the messages body of text as it can the subject line (or any other field for that matter)? -- graywolf http://graywolfphoto.com You might as well accept people as they are, you are not going to be able to change

Re: OT: Labelling messages by topic D: S: F: P: OT: and so on (2)

2004-01-26 Thread graywolf
Well! That solved the problem. -- Dr E D F Williams wrote: That's bull and you know it. No one imposes anything on anyone on this list and you know that too. All I'd really like to see is D: for digital and an F: for film. I thought I'd made that clear. But since there is so much digital stuff

Re: OT: Labelling messages by topic D: S: F: P: OT: and so on (2)

2004-01-26 Thread alex wetmore
On Mon, 26 Jan 2004, Dr E D F Williams wrote: Labelling the subject in some simple way would not only help people like me to eliminate unwanted posts -- but an F: for film would help select the desirable ones as well. If the task becomes too laborious, as it often does, I may sacrifice all and

Re: OT: Labelling messages by topic D: S: F: P: OT: and so on (2)

2004-01-26 Thread Bill Owens
Doesn't everyone have a delete key to delete those they don't want to read. Bill - Original Message - From: alex wetmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 26, 2004 4:43 PM Subject: Re: OT: Labelling messages by topic D: S: F: P: OT: and so on (2) On Mon

Re: OT: Labelling messages by topic D: S: F: P: OT: and so on (2)

2004-01-26 Thread Mark Roberts
Bill Owens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Doesn't everyone have a delete key to delete those they don't want to read. Yup. And for some messages, my delete key is automatic :) -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com

Re: OT: Labelling messages by topic D: S: F: P: OT: and so on (2)

2004-01-26 Thread Frits Wüthrich
Splits are nice, I see that on other lists already. People can then post to all the lists at the same time, that increases the volume even more. Funny to see the objections to digital, but the bigger volume for OT is OK for most folks. On Mon, 2004-01-26 at 22:43, alex wetmore wrote: I think

Re: OT: Labelling messages by topic D: S: F: P: OT: and so on (2)

2004-01-26 Thread alex wetmore
On Mon, 26 Jan 2004, Bill Owens wrote: Doesn't everyone have a delete key to delete those they don't want to read. At 150-300 messages per day it is difficult to even do that. The subject of the message is also not always suitable for telling you if the message contents are interesting. alex

Re: OT: Labelling messages by topic D: S: F: P: OT: and so on (2)

2004-01-26 Thread Christian
Great idea Look, this list is more than just about photography. It's a community and I like it here. Hell, some people who contribute valuable, insightful information, don't even shoot Pentax anymore! Don't try to split it into pieces. Delete the off-topic banter. It's so easy. If I

Re: OT: Labelling messages by topic D: S: F: P: OT: and so on (2)

2004-01-26 Thread Bob W
Hi, I think it would be more effective to split the list into sublists. there are plenty of discussion list host-sites around. Everybody is entirely free to start a list on any subject they choose, and invite others to join them. But consider this: If you start a list, or a sublist, with a

Re: OT: Labelling messages by topic D: S: F: P: OT: and so on (2)

2004-01-26 Thread alex wetmore
On Mon, 26 Jan 2004, Bob W wrote: I think it would be more effective to split the list into sublists. there are plenty of discussion list host-sites around. Everybody is entirely free to start a list on any subject they choose, and invite others to join them. This is true. I should let

Re: OT: Labelling messages by topic D: S: F: P: OT: and so on (2)

2004-01-26 Thread graywolf
Hey, we could be just like usenet. HAR! There are a lot of complaints about OT threads, they seem to come mostly from someone who has subscribed to ask a question about his new Pentax camera and plans to leave as soon as he gets an answer. Anyone else notice that Don left in a huff saying he

Re: OT: Labelling messages by topic D: S: F: P: OT: and so on (2)

2004-01-26 Thread graywolf
Why are you over here trying to run our list then? Don't feel empowered enough with you own? We, in general, like the way Doug runs this one. You have made several offers to fix things that don't need fixing for us. You seem to be something of a control freak, Alex. -- alex wetmore wrote: On

Re: OT: Labelling messages by topic D: S: F: P: OT: and so on (2)

2004-01-26 Thread Lasse Karlsson
From: graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] Anyone else notice that Don left in a huff saying he would only be back if he had something to say, or wanted a question answered. Grin, why don't we all put his name in our kill file so we can not see his messages when he comes back. I mean he can't even

Re: OT: Labelling messages by topic D: S: F: P: OT: and so on (2)

2004-01-26 Thread alex wetmore
On Mon, 26 Jan 2004, graywolf wrote: Why are you over here trying to run our list then? Don't feel empowered enough with you own? We, in general, like the way Doug runs this one. You have made several offers to fix things that don't need fixing for us. You seem to be something of a control

Re: OT: Labelling messages by topic D: S: F: P: OT: and so on (2)

2004-01-26 Thread Bob W
Hi, I don't believe that you can scan 200 messages a day and decide if they are interesting to your or not, no matter what client you use. of course not. That's what subject headers are for. If I'm not interested in the subject, or if I lose interest in it because it has strayed, I delete all

Re: OT: Labelling messages by topic D: S: F: P: OT: and so on (2)

2004-01-26 Thread Cotty
On 26/1/04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged: Doesn't everyone have a delete key to delete those they don't want to read. Yup. And for some messages, my delete key is automatic :) You mean like thi

Re: OT: Labelling messages by topic D: S: F: P: OT: and so on (2)

2004-01-26 Thread Herb Chong
of the reasons the signal to noise ratio is so low. Herb... - Original Message - From: alex wetmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 26, 2004 4:43 PM Subject: Re: OT: Labelling messages by topic D: S: F: P: OT: and so on (2) I would love to see such a split

Re: OT: Labelling messages by topic D: S: F: P: OT: and so on (2)

2004-01-26 Thread Mark Roberts
Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 26/1/04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged: Doesn't everyone have a delete key to delete those they don't want to read. Yup. And for some messages, my delete key is automatic :) You mean like thi Oh no, I don't autodelete *your* messages Cotty! (I do have a special

Re: OT: Labelling messages by topic D: S: F: P: OT: and so on (2)

2004-01-26 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Herb Chong Subject: Re: OT: Labelling messages by topic D: S: F: P: OT: and so on (2) what makes you think that this would have any useful effect? all you would is the same messages spread across 15 or so lists and an additional volume of messages from

RE: OT: Labelling messages by topic D: S: F: P: OT: and so on (2)

2004-01-26 Thread Len Paris
The only multiple list setup that I have seen that really works well is PNN. The secret of their success is very diligent moderation. Any infraction can result in you being placed into read only mode, or worse. No over quoting, no flames, no bad language, and no off-topic posting. When the

Re: OT: Labelling messages by topic D: S: F: P: OT: and so on (2)

2004-01-26 Thread alex wetmore
On Mon, 26 Jan 2004, Herb Chong wrote: what makes you think that this would have any useful effect? all you would is the same messages spread across 15 or so lists and an additional volume of messages from people telling other people to post on the correct lists. It is fairly easy to eliminate