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2016-12-10 Thread Zos Xavius
Hear hear. I still have a few USB2 drives doing real work in a soft raid array. On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 10:35 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: > Many of us did "real work" with USB 2 and USB 1 external drives. Fast is > nice, but it's not essential. > > Paul via phone > >> On

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2016-12-10 Thread Paul Sorenson
Re: Backup software...I believe Western Digital external drives come with several utilities that you can install on your computer, among them is a backup program. Haven't tried it yet but it looks like it isn't too bad from the description. -p On Dec 10, 2016, 12:56 AM -0600, David Mann

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2016-12-09 Thread David Mann
My only suggestion is to get two drives. I made the mistake of having one for all of my photos and had a narrow escape when it started to fail. I suspect the CD player will be the limiting factor for transfer rate. Cheers, Dave > On Dec 9, 2016, at 4:38 AM, David J Brooks

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2016-12-09 Thread Paul Stenquist
You said "real time work. You can't do actual real time work with any computer or drive, although you can certainly come close. But the storage device is irrelevant if you have adequate memory. Paul via phone > On Dec 9, 2016, at 10:35 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: > >

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2016-12-09 Thread ann sanfedele
Hmm - well maybe what I just saw was a USB _C but as long as I can plug the USB3 in to my bus I should be ok anyway - It won't happen in the next few days ann On 12/9/2016 10:00 PM, Larry Colen wrote: ann sanfedele wrote: I thought "port" referred to the slots in the bus... which are

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2016-12-09 Thread Paul Stenquist
Many of us did "real work" with USB 2 and USB 1 external drives. Fast is nice, but it's not essential. Paul via phone > On Dec 9, 2016, at 7:09 PM, P.J. Alling wrote: > > If you're going to be using the external HD for any real time work, you're > going to need

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2016-12-09 Thread Larry Colen
ann sanfedele wrote: I thought "port" referred to the slots in the bus... which are neither white nor blue . I guess the end of the cords are ports. My neighborhas both USB3 and USB2 connectors so I just saw the difference tonight... more difference than color -... The USB3 ends won't fit on

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2016-12-09 Thread ann sanfedele
I thought "port" referred to the slots in the bus... which are neither white nor blue . I guess the end of the cords are ports. My neighborhas both USB3 and USB2 connectors so I just saw the difference tonight... more difference than color -... The USB3 ends won't fit on the slots on my

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2016-12-09 Thread John
They're almost certainly USB 2, but USB 3 drives are backwards compatible with USB 2, so it won't matter. It will just take a little while longer to complete a backup. Of more concern is what software you're going to use for the backup. I couldn't get Windows 7's built in Backup/Restore software

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2016-12-09 Thread P.J. Alling
If you're going to be using the external HD for any real time work, you're going to need USB 3.0. The way to tell, if they followed convention, the USB 2.0 ports are white the 3.0 are blue. On 12/9/2016 4:51 PM, ann sanfedele wrote: My computer is an HP 8000 PC with 4g ram and 1tb hard

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2016-12-09 Thread Paul in MKE
More than likely you have USB 2.0 unless someone intentionally installed a separate USB 3.0 card when they refurbished it. Like Larry saie, USB 3.0 ports are usually blue colored. Most external hard drives are backward compatible to USB 2.0. Just check the specs on the box before you buy.

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2016-12-09 Thread Larry Colen
Steve Cottrell wrote: On 9/12/16, steve harley, discombobulated, unleashed: 8 petabytes (8000 TB) is the biggest drive OS X can handle LMFTFY I always knew deep down Macs were shit ...^the -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com (postbox on min4est)

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2016-12-09 Thread Larry Colen
ann sanfedele wrote: My computer is an HP 8000 PC with 4g ram and 1tb hard drive... got it refurbished without a lot of documentation -- I don't know if my USB ports are 2 or 3 Does it matter? The Sea-gate 2t is $89 at my Staples and I have a $16 coupon from them... Ijust want to backup

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2016-12-09 Thread Steve Cottrell
On 9/12/16, steve harley, discombobulated, unleashed: >8 petabytes (8000 TB) is the biggest drive OS X can handle I always knew deep down Macs were shit -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__Broadcast, Corporate, || (O) |Web Video Production -- _ --

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2016-12-09 Thread ann sanfedele
My computer is an HP 8000 PC with 4g ram and 1tb hard drive... got it refurbished without a lot of documentation -- I don't know if my USB ports are 2 or 3 Does it matter? The Sea-gate 2t is $89 at my Staples and I have a $16 coupon from them... Ijust want to backup everything on to it.. I

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2016-12-09 Thread steve harley
On 2016-12-08 16:39 , David J Brooks wrote: oh another question. Am i getting into any troubel if i go more then 2TB for the drive, say a 3 or 4. its an older computer, 2011 iMac 21.5" with OS 10.11.6 8 petabytes (8000 TB) is the biggest drive OS X can handle; some cheap old USB cases can

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2016-12-09 Thread steve harley
On 2016-12-09 5:16 , David J Brooks wrote: On Thu, Dec 8, 2016 at 8:36 PM, Larry Colen wrote: Is your iMac one of the vintage where you can use it as a thunderbolt monitor for another mac? Not sure Larry i'd have to search that yes, it can — Target Display Mode is

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2016-12-09 Thread John
That's pretty good. I just checked the exchange rate & $99 CAD is $75 USD, so that's about $15 USD cheaper than Staples is selling them here in the states. On 12/9/2016 7:17 AM, David J Brooks wrote: On Thu, Dec 8, 2016 at 8:36 PM, ann sanfedele wrote: Dave - how much is

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2016-12-09 Thread John
On 12/8/2016 9:20 PM, John Francis wrote: Newegg isn't too bad, either - they'll currently ship a WD elements 2TB drive to you (free shipping) for less than what staples charge for the Seagate (and about what Frys want for it in-store). I haven't had my one long enough to be able to offer any

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2016-12-09 Thread John
On 12/9/2016 7:18 AM, David J Brooks wrote: On Thu, Dec 8, 2016 at 9:20 PM, John wrote: Staples currently has them at $89.99. Amazon & Newegg have them for $79.99 For me, the extra $10 to Staples is worth it because they have a local store & collect NC Sales tax at the

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2016-12-09 Thread John
It's not politics, it's convenience. It's less hassle for me to pay the sales tax at time of purchase than to have to figure out at the end of the year which internet purchases I didn't pay the sales tax on. If I deal with merchants that collect the tax then & there, I don't have to worry about

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2016-12-09 Thread Collin B
http://www.microcenter.com/search/search_results.aspx?N=4294945771 Microcenter has 5T for $129.99 and your basic 1T for <$60. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and

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2016-12-09 Thread David J Brooks
On Thu, Dec 8, 2016 at 6:51 PM, Larry Colen wrote: > > > How big is your Time Machine drive? 1 TB > > For that matter, how many GB or TB of raw files do you have that you need to > back up? Not sure i'll have to look at the cd's and do a rough est i'll get back Dave > > As

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2016-12-09 Thread David J Brooks
On Thu, Dec 8, 2016 at 9:20 PM, John wrote: > Staples currently has them at $89.99. Amazon & Newegg have them for $79.99 > > For me, the extra $10 to Staples is worth it because they have a local > store & collect NC Sales tax at the time of sale, so I don't have to >

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2016-12-09 Thread David J Brooks
On Thu, Dec 8, 2016 at 8:36 PM, ann sanfedele wrote: > Dave - how much is the 2tb at Stapleswhere you are? Local store has them for $99 on sale > > ann > > > On 12/8/2016 10:38 AM, David J Brooks wrote: >> >> I have decided, now that i have the time, to transfer all of my CD

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2016-12-09 Thread David J Brooks
On Thu, Dec 8, 2016 at 8:36 PM, Larry Colen wrote: > > > David J Brooks wrote: >> >> oh another question. Am i getting into any troubel if i go more then >> 2TB for the drive, say a 3 or 4. its an older computer, 2011 iMac >> 21.5" with OS 10.11.6 > > > BTW, if you have gigabit

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2016-12-08 Thread Igor PDML-StR
Regarding WD vs Seagate vs HGST vs Toshiba, ... My opinion is that there is no big difference between reliability of HDDs from the major brands WD, Seagate, and HGST. (Actually HGST is now a part of WD.) I am not talking about the "bleeding edge" models. There are models (lines) in each

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2016-12-08 Thread Paul Stenquist
Newegg is great. I buy a lot from them. Paul via phone > On Dec 8, 2016, at 9:20 PM, John Francis wrote: > > > Newegg isn't too bad, either - they'll currently ship a WD elements > 2TB drive to you (free shipping) for less than what staples charge > for the Seagate (and about

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2016-12-08 Thread Paul Stenquist
Politics doesn't enter into my buying decisions. It's not a black and white issue, Paul via phone > On Dec 8, 2016, at 9:20 PM, John wrote: > > Staples currently has them at $89.99. Amazon & Newegg have them for $79.99 > > For me, the extra $10 to Staples is worth it

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2016-12-08 Thread John Francis
Newegg isn't too bad, either - they'll currently ship a WD elements 2TB drive to you (free shipping) for less than what staples charge for the Seagate (and about what Frys want for it in-store). I haven't had my one long enough to be able to offer any reasonable estimate of life expectancy, but

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2016-12-08 Thread John
Staples currently has them at $89.99. Amazon & Newegg have them for $79.99 For me, the extra $10 to Staples is worth it because they have a local store & collect NC Sales tax at the time of sale, so I don't have to figure North Carolina's EFFED-UP internet tax at the end of the year. If I was

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2016-12-08 Thread Paul Stenquist
Look at Other World. Computing also. Staples is pricey in my experience. Paul via phone > On Dec 8, 2016, at 8:36 PM, ann sanfedele wrote: > > Dave - how much is the 2tb at Stapleswhere you are? > > ann > > >> On 12/8/2016 10:38 AM, David J Brooks wrote: >> I have

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2016-12-08 Thread Paul Stenquist
There are way better deals than Staples online. Start at Amazon. Paul via phone > On Dec 8, 2016, at 8:36 PM, ann sanfedele wrote: > > Dave - how much is the 2tb at Stapleswhere you are? > > ann > > >> On 12/8/2016 10:38 AM, David J Brooks wrote: >> I have decided, now

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2016-12-08 Thread Larry Colen
David J Brooks wrote: oh another question. Am i getting into any troubel if i go more then 2TB for the drive, say a 3 or 4. its an older computer, 2011 iMac 21.5" with OS 10.11.6 BTW, if you have gigabit ethernet, you also might do well with a NAS box for your external archives. Is your

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2016-12-08 Thread ann sanfedele
Dave - how much is the 2tb at Stapleswhere you are? ann On 12/8/2016 10:38 AM, David J Brooks wrote: I have decided, now that i have the time, to transfer all of my CD and DVD back up photo disks to an external HD, I need a new one anyway and Staples has a nice Seagate 2tb on sale. I also

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2016-12-08 Thread Zos Xavius
I would suggest avoiding Seagate as they currently have the highest failure rates. Hitachi is actually the most reliable by far with 2% failure rates. Western Digital comes in a distant second. I use Western Digital drives mostly and they have been reliable. So has my hitachi drives. I have an old

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2016-12-08 Thread Larry Colen
David J Brooks wrote: Good ideas Igor. I have always used Seagate HDD's but never really looked at reviews. I'll do that iMac is USB 2 You can get Thunderbolt to USB 3 adapters for prices that are merely rapacious, unlike the obscenely rapacious costs of thunderbolt drives. Something

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2016-12-08 Thread David J Brooks
my cell does not have a data plan its an ancient emergency plan with 20 min talk and $0.15 a trext, i can access internet only if i have access to mine or someone else s wifi so that's out for me Dave On Thu, Dec 8, 2016 at 5:48 PM, Igor PDML-StR wrote: > > Phone? For

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2016-12-08 Thread David J Brooks
oh another question. Am i getting into any troubel if i go more then 2TB for the drive, say a 3 or 4. its an older computer, 2011 iMac 21.5" with OS 10.11.6 Dave On Thu, Dec 8, 2016 at 6:33 PM, David J Brooks wrote: > Good ideas Igor. I have always used Seagate HDD's but

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2016-12-08 Thread David J Brooks
Good ideas Igor. I have always used Seagate HDD's but never really looked at reviews. I'll do that iMac is USB 2 Just wondering now if i should copy them to my HD then to the new external that way they will be on my time machine drive aswell (ie 2 drives). I have alwasys in the past had two

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2016-12-08 Thread Igor PDML-StR
Phone? For uploading RAW photo files? That's out of question (unless you are talking about 1-2...) I don't know about your phone data plan, but most are not unlimited these days. Mine is only 2GB per month. Even for the landline, using Cloud storage for backup can be complicated, depending

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2016-12-08 Thread Collin B
>Igor makes a lot of good points, I may double up on a few: > >You really want to transfer your files to a couple of external drives, >one of which to be kept someplace other than your house. Perhaps do a >swap deal with someone else on the list for offsite storage. > >Do pay attention to HDD

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2016-12-08 Thread John
Trade-offs may apply: If you copy your entire image catalog to the external drive, they're all in one place that becomes a possible single point of failure. If you spread your catalog across a number of thumb drives, you multiply the possibility of having one of them fail. Maybe your best

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2016-12-08 Thread Larry Colen
Igor makes a lot of good points, I may double up on a few: You really want to transfer your files to a couple of external drives, one of which to be kept someplace other than your house. Perhaps do a swap deal with someone else on the list for offsite storage. Do pay attention to HDD

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2016-12-08 Thread Igor PDML-StR
Zos said what I was going to say. You will not feel a difference between 7200 and 5400 rpm drives in the transfer rate when you are backing up photos. The main situation when you feel the difference is in the "random access", when the system/program accesses many small files. (E.g. in case

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2016-12-08 Thread P.J. Alling
It kind of depends on the bus speed. However all other things being equal, the Thumb drives should be faster than a cd/dvd drive. All things are seldom equal. The one thing that is sure, the 32 gig thumb drives will require less user intervention assuming you packed as many files onto the

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2016-12-08 Thread Zos Xavius
The CD is going to be slower than any drive you connect it to. Don't worry about rpms. Most externals are 5400 anyways. You'll spend a premium to get a 7200rpm drive that is external and it won't really gain you much in transfer speed though your random seek times will improve. Something that

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2016-12-08 Thread David J Brooks
thanks, never thought to look at rpm's Dave On Thu, Dec 8, 2016 at 10:46 AM, Paul Stenquist wrote: > Almost certainly better transfer rate to an external skinny drive. Make sure > it’s a 7200 rpm Seagate. And thumb drives seem to fail frequently. At least > in my

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2016-12-08 Thread Paul Stenquist
Almost certainly better transfer rate to an external skinny drive. Make sure it’s a 7200 rpm Seagate. And thumb drives seem to fail frequently. At least in my experience, although that’s based on use of recycled thumb drives that I’ve gotten at press conferences. Paul > On Dec 8, 2016, at 10:38

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2016-12-08 Thread David J Brooks
I have decided, now that i have the time, to transfer all of my CD and DVD back up photo disks to an external HD, I need a new one anyway and Staples has a nice Seagate 2tb on sale. I also have a number of 32 gig thumb drives i thought might also do the trick. Just curious would the transfer rate