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2012-03-16 Thread Jack Davis
: knarftheria...@gmail.com knarftheria...@gmail.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Cc: Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 8:32 PM Subject: Re: OT - Online critics I must admit, I really like this one. It's the best by far that I've seen of his work (admittedly I've not seen much). But OMG his

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2012-03-16 Thread Bruce Walker
: knarftheria...@gmail.com knarftheria...@gmail.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Cc: Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 8:32 PM Subject: Re: OT - Online critics I must admit, I really like this one. It's the best by far that I've seen of his work (admittedly I've not seen much

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2012-03-16 Thread P. J. Alling
to that extent. Almost certainly my financial loss, in this case. Jack - Original Message - From: knarftheria...@gmail.comknarftheria...@gmail.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail Listpdml@pdml.net Cc: Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 8:32 PM Subject: Re: OT - Online critics I must admit, I really like this one

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2012-03-16 Thread P. J. Alling
@pdml.net Cc: Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 8:32 PM Subject: Re: OT - Online critics I must admit, I really like this one. It's the best by far that I've seen of his work (admittedly I've not seen much). But OMG his description of how he took it! Gimme a break! BTW, interesting to note that Gursky's

Re: OT - Online critics

2012-03-16 Thread Jack Davis
- From: knarftheria...@gmail.com knarftheria...@gmail.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Cc: Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 8:32 PM Subject: Re: OT - Online critics I must admit, I really like this one. It's the best by far that I've seen of his work (admittedly I've

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2012-03-16 Thread Jack Davis
I've programed in a slider stop at 3.2851. (my gag threshold) Jack - Original Message - From: P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Cc: Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 8:09 AM Subject: Re: OT - Online critics I've already ordered a saturation

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2012-03-16 Thread Jack Davis
No doubt Lik would have ruined Gursky's Rhine II. Jack - Original Message - From: knarftheria...@gmail.com knarftheria...@gmail.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Cc: Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 8:32 PM Subject: Re: OT - Online critics I must admit, I really like

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2012-03-16 Thread Bob W
I didn't read the comments regarding the taking of this image, but I agree it's the best I've seen of his work. I doubt, however, I'd have ever allowed myself to saturate the colors to that extent. Almost certainly my financial loss, in this case. Jack Don't sell your artistic

Re: OT - Online critics

2012-03-16 Thread Jack Davis
Creamy soup?   OK!   Jack ;-) - Original Message - From: Bob W p...@web-options.com To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' pdml@pdml.net Cc: Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 1:38 PM Subject: RE: OT - Online critics I didn't read the comments regarding the taking of this image, but I agree it's

Re: OT - Online critics

2012-03-15 Thread John Francis
On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 02:44:03PM -0700, Larry Colen wrote: Have you noticed how many musicians have really crappy stereos? Two observations: o Musicians care more about the music than about the equipment o If it's not as good as live music, it really doesn't matter exactly how

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2012-03-15 Thread Jack Davis
Well, OK then...the Peter Lik of painters?   Jack - Original Message - From: Larry Colen l...@red4est.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Cc: Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 5:37 PM Subject: Re: OT - Online critics On Mar 14, 2012, at 5:18 PM, Ann Sanfedele wrote

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2012-03-15 Thread Ann Sanfedele
Mail Listpdml@pdml.net Cc: Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 5:37 PM Subject: Re: OT - Online critics On Mar 14, 2012, at 5:18 PM, Ann Sanfedele wrote: On 3/14/2012 18:13, Jack Davis wrote: The Kennyboy of painters. Can't be, he actually paints pictures, not just writes about paint brushes

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2012-03-15 Thread Jack Davis
..or vice versa. Works either way.  Are you saying Kennyboy isn't, also, obnoxious? ;-) Jack - Original Message - From: Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Cc: Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 7:34 AM Subject: Re: OT - Online critics wait we

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2012-03-15 Thread John Sessoms
From: Bob W How did Thomas Kinkade get into that list? And what great pictures has he painted? cheers, frank Pearls before swine! Got half of it right anyway. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML,

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2012-03-15 Thread John Sessoms
From: Larry Colen On Mar 14, 2012, at 2:25 PM, Bob W wrote: I agree half-way with you. The theoretical image COULD be pure schmuck and 'the many' were duped into following the masses because of the stature of the photographer. Tom C. Maybe, but how does the photographer get his stature in

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2012-03-15 Thread John Sessoms
: OT - Online critics I have only one thing to say: http://www.thomaskinkade.com/magi/servlet/com.asucon.ebiz.home.web.tk.HomeServlet Cheers, frank -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link

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2012-03-15 Thread John Sessoms
From: John Francis On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 02:44:03PM -0700, Larry Colen wrote: Have you noticed how many musicians have really crappy stereos? Two observations: o Musicians care more about the music than about the equipment o If it's not as good as live music, it really doesn't matter

Re: OT - Online critics

2012-03-15 Thread Jack Davis
Then along came Kinkade..for which I'll be forever grateful. Jack - Original Message - From: John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com To: pdml@pdml.net Cc: Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 8:59 AM Subject: Re: OT - Online critics I would have never thought it possible to insult Kennyboy

Re: OT - Online critics

2012-03-15 Thread Bruce Walker
On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 5:43 PM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: On Mar 14, 2012, at 2:25 PM, Bob W wrote: I agree half-way with you. The theoretical image COULD be pure schmuck and 'the many' were duped into following the masses because of the stature of the photographer. Tom C.

Re: OT - Online critics

2012-03-15 Thread Jack Davis
Virtually everything I've ever seen of his has been nauseatingly over saturated. Jack - Original Message - From: Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Cc: Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 10:17 AM Subject: Re: OT - Online critics On Wed, Mar 14

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2012-03-15 Thread kwaller
- From: Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com Subject: Re: OT - Online critics On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 5:43 PM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: On Mar 14, 2012, at 2:25 PM, Bob W wrote: I agree half-way with you. The theoretical image COULD be pure schmuck and 'the many' were duped

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2012-03-15 Thread P. J. Alling
. ? Jack - Original Message - From: knarftheria...@gmail.com knarftheria...@gmail.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Cc: Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 2:27 PM Subject: RE: OT - Online critics I have only one thing to say: http://www.thomaskinkade.com/magi/servlet

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2012-03-15 Thread Tom C
I had never heard of him until a recent series about his photographic trips on the Weather channel. He comes across as bigger than life, a little too aninmated but I think his photos speak for them self. Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller I hadn't heard of him

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2012-03-15 Thread Jack Davis
Well, Tom I recall your Velvia  past. Doubtless your color cones are calloused. ;-)   Jack - Original Message - From: Tom C caka...@gmail.com To: pdml@pdml.net Cc: Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 12:44 PM Subject: Re: OT - Online critics I had never heard of him until a recent series

Re: OT - Online critics

2012-03-15 Thread Larry Colen
On Mar 15, 2012, at 12:17 PM, kwal...@peoplepc.com kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote: I had never heard of him until a recent series about his photographic trips on the Weather channel. He comes across as bigger than life, a little too aninmated but I think his photos speak for them self. I

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2012-03-15 Thread knarftheria...@gmail.com
be dismissed without proof. -- Christopher Hitchens --- Original Message --- From: Larry Colen l...@red4est.com Sent: March 15, 2012 3/15/12 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: OT - Online critics On Mar 15, 2012, at 12:17 PM, kwal...@peoplepc.com kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote: I had

Re: OT - Online critics

2012-03-15 Thread John Sessoms
From: Bruce Walker On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 5:43 PM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: On Mar 14, 2012, at 2:25 PM, Bob W wrote: I agree half-way with you. The theoretical image COULD be pure schmuck and 'the many' were duped into following the masses because of the stature of the

Re: OT - Online critics

2012-03-15 Thread Jack Davis
: Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 1:43 PM Subject: Re: OT - Online critics I have lots of problems with this guy and his photos. Let me start by saying that I don't know what art is, but when the word fine is put in front of it, it usually ain't. My biggest problem is that everything is larger

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2012-03-15 Thread Brian Walters
-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Cc: Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 1:43 PM Subject: Re: OT - Online critics I have lots of problems with this guy and his photos. Let me start by saying that I don't know what art is, but when the word fine is put in front of it, it usually ain't. My biggest problem

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2012-03-15 Thread Jack Davis
Cc: Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 2:23 PM Subject: Re: OT - Online critics Quoting Jack Davis jdavi...@yahoo.com: One final minor Peter Lik comment; I doubt he completed a sentence during his Weather Channel photo series that didn't include(nbsp;)the fillers,(nbsp)bloody /or mate

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2012-03-15 Thread Ann Sanfedele
Bruce - In my case, it is his irritating patter with his Weather Channel show... and his self-agrandisement. He just shouts throughout the show OH, AH, Gotta get this.. This is so great, blah blah, while his video guy is getting the lovely shots. ann On 3/15/2012 13:17, Bruce Walker wrote:

Re: OT - Online critics

2012-03-15 Thread John Sessoms
- From: knarftheria...@gmail.com knarftheria...@gmail.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Cc: Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 2:27 PM Subject: RE: OT - Online critics I have only one thing to say: http://www.thomaskinkade.com/magi/servlet/com.asucon.ebiz.home.web.tk.HomeServlet Cheers

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2012-03-15 Thread Larry Colen
On Mar 15, 2012, at 3:02 PM, John Sessoms wrote: Perhaps insult was not the right word to convey what I meant. Kennyboy *is* a clueless git, but he's not a bad person. Kinkade is an oxygen thief with no redeeming qualities whatsoever, and a complete waste of space on planet Earth. If

Re: OT - Online critics

2012-03-15 Thread Tom C
From: Jack Davis jdavi...@yahoo.com Well, Tom I recall your Velvia? past. Doubtless your color cones are calloused. ;-) ? Jack I still like Velvia. You live in a drab little world Jack. ;-) Tom C. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: OT - Online critics

2012-03-15 Thread John Sessoms
Message - From: Brian Walters apathy...@lyons-ryan.org To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Cc: Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 2:23 PM Subject: Re: OT - Online critics Quoting Jack Davis jdavi...@yahoo.com: One final minor Peter Lik comment; I doubt he completed a sentence during his Weather

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2012-03-15 Thread Jack Davis
I do shoot a lot of BW. h..   Jack - Original Message - From: Tom C caka...@gmail.com To: pdml@pdml.net Cc: Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 3:20 PM Subject: Re: OT - Online critics From: Jack Davis jdavi...@yahoo.com Well, Tom I recall your Velvia? past. Doubtless your color cones

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2012-03-15 Thread Larry Colen
On Mar 15, 2012, at 3:29 PM, John Sessoms wrote: From: Jack Davis Have never before seen the mystery letter groups I've parenthesized at the end of that sentence. I just checked my sent file and do not find them. ?? What's a cobber? Jack Pal, homeboy, buddy, wingman, chum,

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2012-03-15 Thread Bob W
From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Larry Colen [...] With his salesmanship skills, even I could make a comfortable living at photography. I think someone here said a few months ago that this guy had sold a print for a million dollars or some

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2012-03-15 Thread kwaller
://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Tom C caka...@gmail.com Subject: Re: OT - Online critics I had never heard of him until a recent series about his photographic trips on the Weather channel. He comes across as bigger than life, a little too

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2012-03-15 Thread kwaller
- From: Larry Colen l...@red4est.com Subject: Re: OT - Online critics On Mar 15, 2012, at 12:17 PM, kwal...@peoplepc.com kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote: I had never heard of him until a recent series about his photographic trips on the Weather channel. He comes across as bigger than life

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2012-03-15 Thread kwaller
I still like Velvia. You live in a drab little world Jack. ;-) Most all the pro outdoor photogs used velvia before the digital age. Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Tom C caka...@gmail.com Subject: Re: OT - Online critics

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2012-03-15 Thread Doug Brewer
On 3/15/12 7:47 PM, kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote: With his salesmanship skills, even I could make a comfortable living at photography. Isn't that what's required nowadays to make a living in outdoor photography - unless your lead workshops tours. that's not limited to outdoor photography. --

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2012-03-15 Thread Tom C
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Tom C caka...@gmail.com Subject: Re: OT - Online critics I had never heard of him until a recent series about his photographic trips on the Weather channel. He comes across as bigger than life, a little too

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2012-03-15 Thread Mark Roberts
Bob W wrote: Money was never a very reliable indicator of good taste. From the 2005 PDML Quotations List: For those who still think that the marketplace should determine what is good art, I have just two words: Andy Warhol. — Bob Blakely I never trust people who tell me how difficult it was

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2012-03-15 Thread Mark C
On 3/15/2012 7:47 PM, kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote: With his salesmanship skills, even I could make a comfortable living at photography. Isn't that what's required nowadays to make a living in outdoor photography - unless your lead workshops tours. That and a ton of luck... -- PDML

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2012-03-15 Thread Brian Walters
: Brian Walters apathy...@lyons-ryan.org To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Cc: Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 2:23 PM Subject: Re: OT - Online critics Quoting Jack Davis jdavi...@yahoo.com: One final minor Peter Lik comment; I doubt he completed a sentence during his Weather Channel photo

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2012-03-15 Thread David Savage
Quoting Jack Davis jdavi...@yahoo.com: What's a cobber? Someone who separates the kernels from the cob. DS -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the

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2012-03-15 Thread Ann Sanfedele
On 3/15/2012 20:35, Mark Roberts wrote: Bob W wrote: Money was never a very reliable indicator of good taste. From the 2005 PDML Quotations List: For those who still think that the marketplace should determine what is good art, I have just two words: Andy Warhol. — Bob Blakely I never

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2012-03-15 Thread John Sessoms
From: kwaller With his salesmanship skills, even I could make a comfortable living at photography. Isn't that what's required nowadays to make a living in outdoor photography - unless your lead workshops tours. Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller Not limited to

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2012-03-15 Thread David Savage
The majority of any new business is marketing chasing new work. Until you reach a certain critical mass. On 16/03/2012, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote: From: kwaller With his salesmanship skills, even I could make a comfortable living at photography. Isn't that what's required

Re: OT - Online critics

2012-03-15 Thread Jack Davis
All in the marketing, backed by deep pockets. Jack - Original Message - From: kwal...@peoplepc.com kwal...@peoplepc.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Cc: Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 4:47 PM Subject: Re: OT - Online critics With his salesmanship skills, even I could

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2012-03-15 Thread Jack Davis
ahh..OK?   Jack - Original Message - From: kwal...@peoplepc.com kwal...@peoplepc.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Cc: Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 4:48 PM Subject: Re: OT - Online critics I still like Velvia. You live in a drab little world Jack. ;-) Most all the pro

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2012-03-15 Thread Jack Davis
Appreciate it, Brian. Thanks! Jack - Original Message - From: Brian Walters apathy...@lyons-ryan.org To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Cc: Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 6:55 PM Subject: Re: OT - Online critics Quoting Jack Davis jdavi...@yahoo.com: Have never before seen

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2012-03-15 Thread Jack Davis
AH HA! I thought so!   Jack - Original Message - From: David Savage ozsav...@gmail.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Cc: Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 6:59 PM Subject: Re: OT - Online critics Quoting Jack Davis jdavi...@yahoo.com: What's a cobber? Someone who

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2012-03-15 Thread knarftheria...@gmail.com
C caka...@gmail.com Sent: March 15, 2012 3/15/12 To: pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: OT - Online critics A whlie back I becames aware that he had sold a photograph of his for $ 1 million. This link http://www.artdaily.com/index.asp?int_sec=2int_new=44121 mentions it but I couldn't find an internet

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2012-03-15 Thread P. J. Alling
-saturated photos, too bad it's gone. Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Tom C caka...@gmail.com Subject: Re: OT - Online critics From: Jack Davis jdavi...@yahoo.com Well, Tom I recall your Velvia? past. Doubtless your color cones

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2012-03-15 Thread P. J. Alling
. From: Jack Davis The Kennyboy of painters. ? Jack - Original Message - From: knarftheria...@gmail.com knarftheria...@gmail.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Cc: Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 2:27 PM Subject: RE: OT - Online critics I have only one thing to say: http

OT - Online critics

2012-03-14 Thread David Savage
So I came across this via FB today... There is a flickr group called deleteme where images in the groups pool of photos is voted on to either be be retained of deleted. Someone decided to test members visual literacy photographic knowledge by submitting this photo (read the comments):

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2012-03-14 Thread Steven Desjardins
These kind of tests also reveal something of the nature of famous photos. A lot of folks don't like Picasso either. ;-) On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 5:10 AM, David Savage ozsav...@gmail.com wrote: So I came across this via FB today... There is a flickr group called deleteme where images in the

RE: OT - Online critics

2012-03-14 Thread knarftheria...@gmail.com
--- From: David Savage ozsav...@gmail.com Sent: March 14, 2012 3/14/12 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: OT - Online critics So I came across this via FB today... There is a flickr group called deleteme where images in the groups pool of photos is voted on to either be be retained

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2012-03-14 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
In a recent thread, many sharply criticized one of the most famous images of AA. Is HCB such a god that he is beyond criticism? Dan -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above

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2012-03-14 Thread Charles Robinson
On Mar 14, 2012, at 4:10, David Savage wrote: So I came across this via FB today... There is a flickr group called deleteme where images in the groups pool of photos is voted on to either be be retained of deleted. Someone decided to test members visual literacy photographic knowledge

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2012-03-14 Thread Matthew Hunt
On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 11:29 AM, Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com wrote: In a recent thread, many sharply criticized one of the most famous images of AA.  Is HCB such a god that he is beyond criticism? I don't think that's really the issue here. Rather, I see two main points: (1) The

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2012-03-14 Thread knarftheria...@gmail.com
can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof. -- Christopher Hitchens --- Original Message --- From: Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com Sent: March 14, 2012 3/14/12 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: OT - Online critics In a recent thread, many sharply

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2012-03-14 Thread Matthew Hunt
On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 11:47 AM, Charles Robinson charl...@visi.com wrote: The general attitude seems to be that it's a bland shot - if you don't consider who shot it. Which brings to mind this question: Just because it was shot by a specific known person, does that make it a better

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2012-03-14 Thread Mark Roberts
Matthew Hunt wrote: On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 11:29 AM, Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com wrote: In a recent thread, many sharply criticized one of the most famous images of AA.  Is HCB such a god that he is beyond criticism? I don't think that's really the issue here. Rather, I see two

Re: OT - Online critics

2012-03-14 Thread Matthew Hunt
On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 5:10 AM, David Savage ozsav...@gmail.com wrote: There is a flickr group called deleteme where images in the groups pool of photos is voted on to either be be retained of deleted. Someone decided to test members visual literacy photographic knowledge by submitting

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2012-03-14 Thread Walt Gilbert
On 3/14/2012 10:48 AM, Matthew Hunt wrote: On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 11:29 AM, Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com wrote: In a recent thread, many sharply criticized one of the most famous images of AA. Is HCB such a god that he is beyond criticism? I don't think that's really the issue

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2012-03-14 Thread Jack Davis
Beautifully segmented composition. Jack From: Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 9:14 AM Subject: Re: OT - Online critics Matthew Hunt wrote: On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 11:29 AM

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2012-03-14 Thread Charles Robinson
On Mar 14, 2012, at 11:14, Mark Roberts wrote: Also: (3) That's an awesome photograph! Can someone explain to me what it is about that photo which they like? I don't mean to sound rude, but for me it's dull as dirty dishwater. Slice of life which is great if you have ever visited there

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2012-03-14 Thread Larry Colen
On Mar 14, 2012, at 8:48 AM, Matthew Hunt wrote: I'm glad for the ever-increasing capabilities of our equipment, but at some point you need to just look at the picture! Mark! -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

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2012-03-14 Thread Larry Colen
On Mar 14, 2012, at 10:09 AM, Charles Robinson wrote: On Mar 14, 2012, at 11:14, Mark Roberts wrote: Also: (3) That's an awesome photograph! Can someone explain to me what it is about that photo which they like? I don't mean to sound rude, but for me it's dull as dirty dishwater.

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2012-03-14 Thread John Sessoms
From: Steven Desjardins These kind of tests also reveal something of the nature of famous photos. A lot of folks don't like Picasso either. On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 5:10 AM, David Savage ozsav...@gmail.com wrote: So I came across this via FB today... There is a flickr group called deleteme

Re: OT - Online critics

2012-03-14 Thread John Sessoms
From: Daniel J. Matyola In a recent thread, many sharply criticized one of the most famous images of AA. Is HCB such a god that he is beyond criticism? Dan Apparently. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the

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2012-03-14 Thread John Sessoms
Subject: Re: OT - Online critics In a recent thread, many sharply criticized one of the most famous images of AA. Is HCB such a god that he is beyond criticism? Dan -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please

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2012-03-14 Thread Larry Colen
On Mar 14, 2012, at 12:06 PM, John Sessoms wrote: From: knarftheriault It seemed to me the sanctimoniousness ran both ways; that for many the image was above criticism because of who took it. I wasn't around here when he died, but I don't consider HCB little more than a common street

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2012-03-14 Thread Bob W
From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Daniel J. Matyola In a recent thread, many sharply criticized one of the most famous images of AA. Is HCB such a god that he is beyond criticism? Dan No, but knowing that well-informed and respectable people like

Re: OT - Online critics

2012-03-14 Thread John Sessoms
From: Charles Robinson On Mar 14, 2012, at 11:14, Mark Roberts wrote: Also: (3) That's an awesome photograph! Can someone explain to me what it is about that photo which they like? I don't mean to sound rude, but for me it's dull as dirty dishwater. Slice of life which is great if you have

Re: OT - Online critics

2012-03-14 Thread Jack Davis
is, finding someone with whom you are comfortable and whos maner and work you respect. Jack - Original Message - From: Bob W p...@web-options.com To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' pdml@pdml.net Cc: Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 12:35 PM Subject: RE: OT - Online critics From: pdml-boun

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2012-03-14 Thread kwaller
- From: Walt Gilbert ldott...@gmail.com Subject: Re: OT - Online critics On 3/14/2012 10:48 AM, Matthew Hunt wrote: On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 11:29 AM, Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com wrote: In a recent thread, many sharply criticized one of the most famous images of AA. Is HCB

RE: OT - Online critics

2012-03-14 Thread knarftheria...@gmail.com
To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' pdml@pdml.net Subject: RE: OT - Online critics From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Daniel J. Matyola In a recent thread, many sharply criticized one of the most famous images of AA. Is HCB such a god that he is beyond criticism

RE: OT - Online critics

2012-03-14 Thread Bob W
From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Charles Robinson Can someone explain to me what it is about that photo which they like? I don't mean to sound rude, but for me it's dull as dirty dishwater. Slice of life which is great if you have ever visited there

RE: OT - Online critics

2012-03-14 Thread Bob W
-options.com Sent: March 14, 2012 3/14/12 To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' pdml@pdml.net Subject: RE: OT - Online critics From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Daniel J. Matyola In a recent thread, many sharply criticized one of the most famous images of AA

RE: OT - Online critics

2012-03-14 Thread Tom C
If we don't see what all the fuss is about then rather than dismissing it as pretentious nonsense, as so many os us do, perhaps we should be a little more humble and consider that maybe we don't know how to look at a picture, whether it's by Picasso, HCB, Ansel Adams or Thomas Kinkade, and

RE: OT - Online critics

2012-03-14 Thread Bob W
-Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Tom C Sent: 14 March 2012 21:12 To: pdml@pdml.net Subject: RE: OT - Online critics If we don't see what all the fuss is about then rather than dismissing it as pretentious nonsense

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2012-03-14 Thread knarftheria...@gmail.com
be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof. -- Christopher Hitchens --- Original Message --- From: Bob W p...@web-options.com Sent: March 14, 2012 3/14/12 To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' pdml@pdml.net Subject: RE: OT - Online critics From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun

Re: OT - Online critics

2012-03-14 Thread Don Guthrie
and the great separation? And he replied no he had just been listening to the music. Usually the goal is more important than the process. Message: 9 Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 11:48:29 -0400 From: Matthew Hunt m...@pobox.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: OT - Online critics

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2012-03-14 Thread Larry Colen
On Mar 14, 2012, at 2:25 PM, Bob W wrote: I agree half-way with you. The theoretical image COULD be pure schmuck and 'the many' were duped into following the masses because of the stature of the photographer. Tom C. Maybe, but how does the photographer get his stature in the first

Re: OT - Online critics

2012-03-14 Thread Larry Colen
On Mar 14, 2012, at 2:41 PM, Don Guthrie wrote: Mathew I quite agree. I am very fond of music played live or on a good home system. My guru in this world was a radio engineer. After I spent the weekend fine tuning my system I invited for a listen. After 15 mins running it through its pace

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2012-03-14 Thread kwaller
Usually the goal is more important than the process. MARK! Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Don Guthrie shark50...@gmail.com Subject: Re: OT - Online critics Mathew I quite agree. I am very fond of music played live

RE: OT - Online critics

2012-03-14 Thread Bob W
@pdml.net Subject: RE: OT - Online critics From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Daniel J. Matyola In a recent thread, many sharply criticized one of the most famous images of AA. Is HCB such a god that he is beyond criticism? Dan

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2012-03-14 Thread P. J. Alling
-Discuss Mail List'pdml@pdml.net Subject: RE: OT - Online critics From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Daniel J. Matyola In a recent thread, many sharply criticized one of the most famous images of AA. Is HCB such a god that he is beyond criticism? Dan

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2012-03-14 Thread Jack Davis
The Kennyboy of painters.   Jack - Original Message - From: knarftheria...@gmail.com knarftheria...@gmail.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Cc: Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 2:27 PM Subject: RE: OT - Online critics I have only one thing to say: http

Re: OT - Online critics

2012-03-14 Thread Ann Sanfedele
On 3/14/2012 12:14, Mark Roberts wrote: Matthew Hunt wrote: On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 11:29 AM, Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com wrote: In a recent thread, many sharply criticized one of the most famous images of AA. Is HCB such a god that he is beyond criticism? I don't think

Re: OT - Online critics

2012-03-14 Thread Mark Roberts
Ann Sanfedele wrote: There is so much going on in the photo and it is the essence of the decisive moment I'm guessing HCB was intrigued by the staircase and the shadow play and as a photgraphic reference to cubism and may have been involved in taing a shot just of _that_ when the opportunity came

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2012-03-14 Thread Doug Franklin
On 2012-03-14 16:21, Jack Davis wrote: I believe there are many who are ready to admire any one's work if they are educated as to what compels the eye. My eye came with it's own built-in compulsions. I feel no need to add to them. :-) -- Doug Lefty Franklin NutDriver Racing

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2012-03-14 Thread Matthew Hunt
On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 7:11 PM, Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com wrote: The bike is perfectly placed - a tiny more blur perhaps would make it even nicer. HCB should have had blur lessons from Knarf. Knarf would have ridden faster. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: OT - Online critics

2012-03-14 Thread Ann Sanfedele
On 3/14/2012 19:11, Mark Roberts wrote: Ann Sanfedele wrote: There is so much going on in the photo and it is the essence of the decisive moment I'm guessing HCB was intrigued by the staircase and the shadow play and as a photgraphic reference to cubism and may have been involved in taing a

Re: OT - Online critics

2012-03-14 Thread Walt Gilbert
. The whole pixel-peeping phenomenon has me flummoxed. -- Walt Good on ya Walt! Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Walt Gilbert ldott...@gmail.com Subject: Re: OT - Online critics On 3/14/2012 10:48 AM, Matthew Hunt wrote: On Wed

Re: OT - Online critics

2012-03-14 Thread Ann Sanfedele
On 3/14/2012 17:43, Larry Colen wrote: On Mar 14, 2012, at 2:25 PM, Bob W wrote: I agree half-way with you. The theoretical image COULD be pure schmuck and 'the many' were duped into following the masses because of the stature of the photographer. Tom C. Maybe, but how does the

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