Re: PESO: An exercise in perspective adjustment

2006-07-22 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 7/19/2006 10:41:56 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Comments and suggestions welcome. Technical details available by clicking the i icon. Cheers Brian To me the correction looks pretty good. But I am no expert on that. Nice shot! Lovely

Re: PESO: An exercise in perspective adjustment

2006-07-21 Thread David Savage
Doing perspective corrections with software is cheaper than buying a shift lens or a view camera. After reading your post last night I had a go correcting a shot of mine with converging verticals using PTGui. After placing a few control points to define the verticals horizontal's, here's what

Re: PESO: An exercise in perspective adjustment

2006-07-21 Thread Brian Walters
Hmmm. Think I'll quit while I'm behind. I'm going cross-eyed with this image :) I think I need a drink. Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia Quoting P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I don't think it's your imagination, it does

Re: PESO: An exercise in perspective adjustment

2006-07-21 Thread Brian Walters
Hi David Quoting David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Doing perspective corrections with software is cheaper than buying a shift lens or a view camera. A shift lens? Does anyone still make them? Not that I could ever afford one, much less justify the purchase After reading your post

Re: PESO: An exercise in perspective adjustment

2006-07-21 Thread David Savage
G'day Brian At 04:32 PM 21/07/2006, Brian Walters wrote: A shift lens? Does anyone still make them? Not that I could ever afford one, much less justify the purchase Canon still lists them. Hartblei make some for 35mm as well I think. With this sort of image I think the converging

Re: PESO: An exercise in perspective adjustment

2006-07-21 Thread Paul Stenquist
Looks great. Good work. Paul On Jul 21, 2006, at 12:30 AM, Brian Walters wrote: Thanks for the tips, Paul. Here's another attempt. http://members.westnet.com.au/brianwal/IMGP2987.jpg I think the centre vertcal is more or less straight now. I tried stretching the image vertically but (of

Re: Perspective correction side effects (WAS: PESO: An exercise in perspective adjustment)

2006-07-21 Thread Digital Image Studio
On 20/07/06, Jaume Lahuerta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But...is it possible to correct perspecive without distorting other parts of the picture? I always get the same effect as Brian, I correct the perspective (with the Photoshop feature) but the building doors are squashed vertically. Is

Re: PESO: An exercise in perspective adjustment

2006-07-21 Thread Adam Maas
David Savage wrote: G'day Brian At 04:32 PM 21/07/2006, Brian Walters wrote: A shift lens? Does anyone still make them? Not that I could ever afford one, much less justify the purchase Canon still lists them. Hartblei make some for 35mm as well I think. Nikon does as well.

Re: PESO: An exercise in perspective adjustment

2006-07-21 Thread Don Williams
I took a few pictures of Svinhufvud's* summer cottage yesterday. Its on the way to our land some 50 kms from here. I squeezed the lower part of the picture with Perspective instead of expanding the top and it works, in this case at least, better than when I tried the top. *One of Finland's

Re: Perspective correction side effects (WAS: PESO: An exercise in perspective adjustment)

2006-07-21 Thread Charles Robinson
On Jul 21, 2006, at 7:15, Digital Image Studio wrote: On 20/07/06, Jaume Lahuerta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But...is it possible to correct perspecive without distorting other parts of the picture? I always get the same effect as Brian, I correct the perspective (with the Photoshop feature)

Re: PESO: An exercise in perspective adjustment

2006-07-21 Thread Kenneth Waller
Those by Canon Nikon are Tilt Shift lenses. Much more useful than a shift lens. Pentax made a shift lens you'll occasionally see one for sale. Not worth it IMHO. Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: PESO: An exercise in perspective

Re: Perspective correction side effects (WAS: PESO: An exercise in perspective adjustment)

2006-07-21 Thread John Francis
On Fri, Jul 21, 2006 at 10:15:17PM +1000, Digital Image Studio wrote: On 20/07/06, Jaume Lahuerta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But...is it possible to correct perspecive without distorting other parts of the picture? I always get the same effect as Brian, I correct the perspective (with the

Re: Perspective correction side effects (WAS: PESO: An exercise in perspective adjustment)

2006-07-21 Thread Digital Image Studio
On 22/07/06, John Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Or, as Paul suggested, simply stretch the image vertically after you've applied the perspective adjustment transform. The problem is that the perspective correction only stretches the image horizontally (by different amounts depending on how

Re: Perspective correction side effects (WAS: PESO: An exercise in perspective adjustment)

2006-07-21 Thread Paul Stenquist
Hi Rob, Welcome back. You're probably the list expert in the area of perspective control. Can you elaborate? Paul On Jul 21, 2006, at 10:49 PM, Digital Image Studio wrote: On 22/07/06, John Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Or, as Paul suggested, simply stretch the image vertically after

Re: Perspective correction side effects (WAS: PESO: An exercise in perspective adjustment)

2006-07-21 Thread Digital Image Studio
On 22/07/06, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Rob, Welcome back. You're probably the list expert in the area of perspective control. Can you elaborate? Hi Paul, With the appropriate tools it's possible to execute perspective control, rotation and distortion compensation (including

Re: Perspective correction side effects (WAS: PESO: An exercise in perspective adjustment)

2006-07-21 Thread Brian Walters
Thanks Rob I'll have another go at adjusting my image. I'm determined to get a result that I like. Could take some time Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia Quoting Digital Image Studio [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On 20/07/06, Jaume Lahuerta

Re: Perspective correction side effects (WAS: PESO: An exercise in perspective adjustment)

2006-07-21 Thread John Francis
On Sat, Jul 22, 2006 at 01:12:38PM +1000, Digital Image Studio wrote: On 22/07/06, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Rob, Welcome back. You're probably the list expert in the area of perspective control. Can you elaborate? Hi Paul, With the appropriate tools it's possible to

Re: PESO: An exercise in perspective adjustment

2006-07-20 Thread Don Williams
What program did you sue to make the correction? Don John Francis wrote: It looks as though you've squashed it a little vertically in the process of correcting the perspective. On Thu, Jul 20, 2006 at 12:38:11AM -0500, Brian Walters wrote: Hi all I quite liked this photo of afternoon

Perspective correction side effects (WAS: PESO: An exercise in perspective adjustment)

2006-07-20 Thread Jaume Lahuerta
But...is it possible to correct perspecive without distorting other parts of the picture? I always get the same effect as Brian, I correct the perspective (with the Photoshop feature) but the building doors are squashed vertically. Is there another way to do it? Thanks, Jaume --- John Francis

Re: Perspective correction side effects (WAS: PESO: An exercise in perspective adjustment)

2006-07-20 Thread Lucas Rijnders
Op Thu, 20 Jul 2006 09:52:08 +0200 schreef Jaume Lahuerta [EMAIL PROTECTED]: But...is it possible to correct perspecive without distorting other parts of the picture? Actually, the perspective is correct in the original picture, I think? The low point-of view results in a vanishing point

Re: Perspective correction side effects (WAS: PESO: An exercise in perspective adjustment)

2006-07-20 Thread Don Williams
I have CS and there seems to be no perspective correction filter -- only funny stuff. I think Paintshop Pro had one. Don Jaume Lahuerta wrote: But...is it possible to correct perspecive without distorting other parts of the picture? I always get the same effect as Brian, I correct the

Re: Perspective correction side effects (WAS: PESO: An exercise in perspective adjustment)

2006-07-20 Thread Jaume Lahuerta
It is not a filter: Menu: Edit-Transform-Perspective see: http://www.outbackphoto.com/workshop/PSPerspectiveCorrection/PhotoshopPerspectiveCorrection.html --- Don Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió: I have CS and there seems to be no perspective correction filter -- only funny stuff. I

Re: PESO: An exercise in perspective adjustment

2006-07-20 Thread Brian Walters
Hi Don I'm using Photoshop Elements 1. I tried the Perspective tool but couldn't get it to look right so I ended up using the Distort tool. Cheers Brian Brian Walters Western Sydney, Australia Quoting Don Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED]: What program did

Re: PESO: An exercise in perspective adjustment

2006-07-20 Thread Brian Walters
Yes - I noticed that too. However, trying to stretch it vertically tends to lose the top spire. Thanks for the comment, John. Cheers Brian Brian Walters Western Sydney, Australia Quoting John Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED]: It looks as though you've

Re: PESO: An exercise in perspective adjustment

2006-07-20 Thread Jack Davis
Brian, You appear to have done a fine job at something I haven't even tried. Wonderful lighting nicely framed. Jack --- Brian Walters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all I quite liked this photo of afternoon light on the sandstone walls of an old church in western Sydney. Unfortunately it

Re: PESO: An exercise in perspective adjustment

2006-07-20 Thread pnstenquist
Nice shot and generally good work. But the center vertical isn't quite straight. That throws it off if you're going for perfect alignment. If elements has the Edit/Free Transform tool use this to rotate the image before you correct the perspective. You might find that the perspective tool works

Re: PESO: An exercise in perspective adjustment

2006-07-20 Thread John Francis
I find trying to correct perspective in Elements a little tricky; you end up with an image that's either squashed or stretched horizontally (or, alternatively, stretched or sqashed vertically). If you think of the perspective correction as distorting your original rectangle into a trapeziod, you

Re: PESO: An exercise in perspective adjustment

2006-07-20 Thread Brian Walters
Thanks for the tips, Paul. Here's another attempt. http://members.westnet.com.au/brianwal/IMGP2987.jpg I think the centre vertcal is more or less straight now. I tried stretching the image vertically but (of course) the whole image stretched, not just the tower and it didn't look right.

Re: PESO: An exercise in perspective adjustment

2006-07-20 Thread Brian Walters
Hi John Thanks for the comments. Another attempt is here: http://members.westnet.com.au/brianwal/IMGP2987.jpg When I said that part of the image was lost, I was referring to the use of the distort tool. However, I found that by increasing the size of the canvas first, this problem is

Re: PESO: An exercise in perspective adjustment

2006-07-20 Thread Don Williams
Is it my imagination, or does the belfry now look fatter at the top? Don Brian Walters wrote: Thanks for the tips, Paul. Here's another attempt. http://members.westnet.com.au/brianwal/IMGP2987.jpg I think the centre vertcal is more or less straight now. I tried stretching the image

Re: PESO: An exercise in perspective adjustment

2006-07-20 Thread P. J. Alling
I don't think it's your imagination, it does look fatter at the top. It's better to have a little convergence than a little divergence when correcting for perspective. Don Williams wrote: Is it my imagination, or does the belfry now look fatter at the top? Don Brian Walters wrote:

PESO: An exercise in perspective adjustment

2006-07-19 Thread Brian Walters
Hi all I quite liked this photo of afternoon light on the sandstone walls of an old church in western Sydney. Unfortunately it suffered from converging verticals so I had a go at correcting the perspective. It looks OK but perhaps it could have been done better. The adjusted image is at the

Re: PESO: An exercise in perspective adjustment

2006-07-19 Thread John Francis
It looks as though you've squashed it a little vertically in the process of correcting the perspective. On Thu, Jul 20, 2006 at 12:38:11AM -0500, Brian Walters wrote: Hi all I quite liked this photo of afternoon light on the sandstone walls of an old church in western Sydney. Unfortunately