Re: Perhaps The List can help with this?

2014-05-16 Thread Larry Colen
On May 15, 2014, at 6:54 AM, Mark Roberts wrote: > Bob Sullivan wrote: > >> Looking at the snowboard on the site Jostein uncovered, >> I'd give him an "F". Obvious copy of elements if not in total. > > The student got an F in the course long before I even suspected > plagiarism. (Skipped more

Re: Perhaps The List can help with this?

2014-05-15 Thread Mark Roberts
Igor Roshchin wrote: >Of course, it is your choice of how much of your time and energy you are >willing to invest in this. Well, it's also up to my department chair and he seems reluctant to take on the inevitable complications (read: work). And of course it is not to my advantage to get into a

Re: Perhaps The List can help with this?

2014-05-15 Thread David Parsons
I doubt anything Mark could say would have any impact if he is skipping 25% of classes and 50% of tests, and got 37% for a final grade. On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 7:57 PM, Igor Roshchin wrote: > Thu May 15 13:32:36 EDT 2014 > Mark Roberts wrote: > >> P.J. Alling wrote: >> >> >It's derivative, at bes

Perhaps The List can help with this?

2014-05-15 Thread Igor Roshchin
Thu May 15 13:32:36 EDT 2014 Mark Roberts wrote: > P.J. Alling wrote: > > >It's derivative, at best, but since the student has already failed, why > >keep beating that dead horse. > > Exactly. I've forwarded everything to my department chair. He and I > have elected not to pursue the matter any

Re: Perhaps The List can help with this?

2014-05-15 Thread Bob W-PDML
On 15 May 2014, at 15:29, "Mark Roberts" wrote: > > Stanley Halpin wrote: > >> I agree with Bob. The student’s work is clearly derivative if not a copy. >> I did a Yahoo search for Burton boards since the designer’s site Jostein >> pointed to seems to indicate that his design was for that compa

Re: Perhaps The List can help with this?

2014-05-15 Thread John
On 5/15/2014 10:28 AM, Mark Roberts wrote: Stanley Halpin wrote: I agree with Bob. The student’s work is clearly derivative if not a copy. I did a Yahoo search for Burton boards since the designer’s site Jostein pointed to seems to indicate that his design was for that company. I did an unaid

Re: Perhaps The List can help with this?

2014-05-15 Thread Mark Roberts
P.J. Alling wrote: >It's derivative, at best, but since the student has already failed, why >keep beating that dead horse. Exactly. I've forwarded everything to my department chair. He and I have elected not to pursue the matter any further. We'd have to get the Dean involved and go through all

Re: Perhaps The List can help with this?

2014-05-15 Thread John
Burton has an 800 number - (800) 881-3138 On 5/15/2014 9:26 AM, Mark Roberts wrote: One of my students tried to pass this if as his own work: http://www.robertstech.com/temp/snowboard2.jpg I suspect it isn't his. Jostein has found this: http://ideblogg.no/siljebee/2013/06/10/semesterinnlevering

Re: Perhaps The List can help with this?

2014-05-15 Thread P.J. Alling
It's derivative, at best, but since the student has already failed, why keep beating that dead horse. I've run into worse offenders in the arts community around here. On 5/15/2014 9:45 AM, Bob Sullivan wrote: Looking at the snowboard on the site Jostein uncovered, I'd give him an "F". Obvious

Re: Perhaps The List can help with this?

2014-05-15 Thread P.J. Alling
That depends on what you mean by lazy. One way the individual just does no work, another the individual steals code that works modifies it just enough to get the job done, a third, the individual writes relitively little code but what they write is what's necessary and sufficient to get the job

Re: Perhaps The List can help with this?

2014-05-15 Thread Mark Roberts
Darren Addy wrote: >It sounds like this student's biggest problem is laziness. I suggest >someone turn him on to a career in I.T. No, his biggest problem is claiming someone else's work as his own. -- Mark Roberts - Photography & Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail

Re: Perhaps The List can help with this?

2014-05-15 Thread Charles Robinson
On May 15, 2014, at 09:50 , Darren Addy wrote: > It sounds like this student's biggest problem is laziness. I suggest > someone turn him on to a career in I.T. > Oh, boo! As someone in that field who just had to deal with a lazy cow-orker for the past two years before he finally left the compa

Re: Perhaps The List can help with this?

2014-05-15 Thread Darren Addy
Find me much of anything that ISN'T derivative. I'm reminded of the old chestnut, "If you steal from one author it's plagiarism; if you steal from many it's research." Same applies to design (or most anything else you can think of). It sounds like this student's biggest problem is laziness. I sugge

Re: Perhaps The List can help with this?

2014-05-15 Thread Mark Roberts
Stanley Halpin wrote: >I agree with Bob. The student’s work is clearly derivative if not a copy. >I did a Yahoo search for Burton boards since the designer’s site Jostein >pointed to seems to indicate that his design was for that company. I did an >unaided eye-ball scan of Yahoo images for Burto

Re: Perhaps The List can help with this?

2014-05-15 Thread Stanley Halpin
I agree with Bob. The student’s work is clearly derivative if not a copy. I did a Yahoo search for Burton boards since the designer’s site Jostein pointed to seems to indicate that his design was for that company. I did an unaided eye-ball scan of Yahoo images for Burton snowboards going back to

Re: Perhaps The List can help with this?

2014-05-15 Thread Mark Roberts
Bob Sullivan wrote: >Looking at the snowboard on the site Jostein uncovered, >I'd give him an "F". Obvious copy of elements if not in total. The student got an F in the course long before I even suspected plagiarism. (Skipped more than 25% of classes, skipped 50% of tests during the semester, tu

Re: Perhaps The List can help with this?

2014-05-15 Thread Bob Sullivan
Looking at the snowboard on the site Jostein uncovered, I'd give him an "F". Obvious copy of elements if not in total. On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 8:26 AM, Mark Roberts wrote: > One of my students tried to pass this if as his own work: > http://www.robertstech.com/temp/snowboard2.jpg > I suspect it

Perhaps The List can help with this?

2014-05-15 Thread Mark Roberts
One of my students tried to pass this if as his own work: http://www.robertstech.com/temp/snowboard2.jpg I suspect it isn't his. Jostein has found this: http://ideblogg.no/siljebee/2013/06/10/semesterinnlevering/ (scroll down to the second image) which really looks like the work of the same design