Re: Camera for a 13-year old?

2014-08-08 Thread Steve Cottrell
On 3/8/14, Brian Walters, discombobulated, unleashed: The Fujis are indeed wonderful cameras, so I'm told. I'm seriously considering buying one. But we aren't talking about a superannuated old fart on the wrong side of 65 here. John wants a camera for a modern young lady of the

Re: Camera for a 13-year old?

2014-08-04 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
What I didn't know about the Argus C3 until relatively recently is that it also has interchangeable lenses. I think they made three lenses for it. Mine was made of bakelight and was black with chrome and faux leather trim. It looked just like this:

Re: Camera for a 13-year old?

2014-08-04 Thread David J Brooks
On Sun, Aug 3, 2014 at 2:23 AM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: When I was 12, I took a photography class in summer school, and my first camera was an Argus C3. Mine was a small chisel and a slate rock/ Dve a -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com (postbox on min4est) -- PDML

Re: Camera for a 13-year old?

2014-08-04 Thread P.J. Alling
Using the interchangeable lenses on the Argus, made using interchangeable lenses on Kodak Retina IIc and IIIc cameras look simple. Well that's not exactly true changing lenses on the Retinas was a relative snap, using them was something of a PITA. Changeing lenses on the Argus was a major

Re: Camera for a 13-year old?

2014-08-04 Thread P.J. Alling
really got the hang of RF focus. On 8/3/14, 2:34 PM, pdml-requ...@pdml.net wrote: Message: 10 Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2014 11:55:40 -0700 From: Larry Colen l...@red4est.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Camera for a 13-year old? Message-ID: 53de85ac.1050...@red4est.com Content

Re: Camera for a 13-year old?

2014-08-04 Thread Bob W-PDML
On 4 Aug 2014, at 15:57, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Aug 3, 2014 at 2:23 AM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: When I was 12, I took a photography class in summer school, and my first camera was an Argus C3. Mine was a small chisel and a slate rock/

Re: Camera for a 13-year old?

2014-08-04 Thread Larry Colen
Bob W-PDML wrote: On 4 Aug 2014, at 15:57, David J Brookspentko...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Aug 3, 2014 at 2:23 AM, Larry Colenl...@red4est.com wrote: When I was 12, I took a photography class in summer school, and my first camera was an Argus C3. Mine was a small chisel and a slate

RE: Camera for a 13-year old?

2014-08-04 Thread John Coyle
Thanks Bipin - and to any others I might have missed. I'm now inclining to gifting my *ist-D, together with a new or second-hand Pentax standard zoom, as I know she will get good results, all else being equal (won't avoid poor framing, optimistic exposure settings, or shooting while running,

Re: Camera for a 13-year old?

2014-08-03 Thread Larry Colen
I just found something scarier than agreeing with Godfrey, having him start a reply almost word for word with what I was about to write. Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: It depends on the child. When I was 12, my mom gave me her Argus C3 (my father bought her a new Kodak Retina IIIc). When I was 13,

Re: Camera for a 13-year old?

2014-08-03 Thread Larry Colen
I was going to suggest a used K-r. Steve Cottrell wrote: On 2/8/14, Bill, discombobulated, unleashed: The Fujis are very amenable to using manual focus lenses, though their X series lenses are every bit as good as Pentax lenses. Something like the X-E1 might make a very nice starter

Re: Camera for a 13-year old?

2014-08-03 Thread George Sinos
I think a lot of us started with the Argus C-3. I wrote this about it in 2010 http://georgesinos.com/blog/first-camera It would be hard to imagine a more basic design. gs George Sinos www.GeorgesPhotos.net www.GeorgeSinos.com On Sun, Aug 3, 2014 at 1:23 AM, Larry Colen

Re: Camera for a 13-year old?

2014-08-03 Thread J.C. O'Connell
Is that the one that looks like a blue brick? jco On 8/3/2014 9:52 AM, George Sinos wrote: I think a lot of us started with the Argus C-3. I wrote this about it in 2010 http://georgesinos.com/blog/first-camera It would be hard to imagine a more basic design. gs George Sinos

Re: Camera for a 13-year old?

2014-08-03 Thread George Sinos
usually black metal or imitation leather, gs George Sinos www.GeorgesPhotos.net www.GeorgeSinos.com On Sun, Aug 3, 2014 at 11:02 AM, J.C. O'Connell hifis...@gate.net wrote: Is that the one that looks like a blue brick? jco On 8/3/2014 9:52 AM, George Sinos wrote: I

Re: Camera for a 13-year old?

2014-08-03 Thread P.J. Alling
I always thought that calling the Argus C-3 the brick was an insult to bricks... On 8/3/2014 12:02 PM, J.C. O'Connell wrote: Is that the one that looks like a blue brick? jco On 8/3/2014 9:52 AM, George Sinos wrote: I think a lot of us started with the Argus C-3. I wrote this about it in

Re: Camera for a 13-year old?

2014-08-03 Thread Larry Colen
P.J. Alling wrote: I always thought that calling the Argus C-3 the brick was an insult to bricks... The C3 has slightly better optical qualities, and is a little sturdier, without weighing much more. On 8/3/2014 12:02 PM, J.C. O'Connell wrote: Is that the one that looks like a blue

Re: Camera for a 13-year old?

2014-08-02 Thread Stan Halpin
On Aug 1, 2014, at 9:50 PM, John Coyle jco...@iinet.net.au wrote: Thanks Brian, Darren, and John for thoughts. Larry, I just think that an SLR might be daunting for a youngster, although I am sometimes inclined to give an older SLR (like an SV with the accessory meter) so that the basics

Re: Camera for a 13-year old?

2014-08-02 Thread J.C. O'Connell
I would agree, get a basic DSLR and a manual focus lens (used if cost is an issue) and go from there. jco On 8/2/2014 7:41 AM, Stan Halpin wrote: On Aug 1, 2014, at 9:50 PM, John Coyle jco...@iinet.net.au wrote: Thanks Brian, Darren, and John for thoughts. Larry, I just think that an SLR

Re: Camera for a 13-year old?

2014-08-02 Thread Bill
On Aug 1, 2014, at 9:50 PM, John Coyle jco...@iinet.net.au wrote: Thanks Brian, Darren, and John for thoughts. Larry, I just think that an SLR might be daunting for a youngster, although I am sometimes inclined to give an older SLR (like an SV with the accessory meter) so that the basics can

Re: Camera for a 13-year old?

2014-08-02 Thread Steve Cottrell
On 2/8/14, Bill, discombobulated, unleashed: The Fujis are very amenable to using manual focus lenses, though their X series lenses are every bit as good as Pentax lenses. Something like the X-E1 might make a very nice starter camera, and Fuji has an excellent upgrade path. I was going to

RE: Camera for a 13-year old?

2014-08-02 Thread John Coyle
- From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Steve Cottrell Sent: Sunday, 3 August 2014 7:07 AM To: pentax list Subject: Re: Camera for a 13-year old? On 2/8/14, Bill, discombobulated, unleashed: The Fujis are very amenable to using manual focus lenses, though their X series lenses

Re: Camera for a 13-year old?

2014-08-02 Thread Brian Walters
Quoting Steve Cottrell co...@seeingeye.tv: On 2/8/14, Bill, discombobulated, unleashed: The Fujis are very amenable to using manual focus lenses, though their X series lenses are every bit as good as Pentax lenses. Something like the X-E1 might make a very nice starter camera, and Fuji has

Re: Camera for a 13-year old?

2014-08-01 Thread Brian Walters
Quoting John Coyle jco...@iinet.net.au: Looking to tap the collective wisdom of the list, as I'm a bit out of touch with the equipment area. One of my granddaughters is showing an increasing interest in photography, and is outgrowing the compact digital and the iPad gear she has been using,

Re: Camera for a 13-year old?

2014-08-01 Thread Larry Colen
John Coyle wrote: Looking to tap the collective wisdom of the list, as I'm a bit out of touch with the equipment area. One of my granddaughters is showing an increasing interest in photography, and is outgrowing the compact digital and the iPad gear she has been using, and will probably be

Re: Camera for a 13-year old?

2014-08-01 Thread Darren Addy
You may think me crazy, but I think a superb camera for a 13 year old would be one of the original Pentax Q or Q10s. Their image quality will surprise you, they are now FAR less expensive NEW than even a used a APS-C DSLR, they have interchangable lenses and they are a BLAST to use. You can get a

Re: Camera for a 13-year old?

2014-08-01 Thread John
On 8/1/2014 2:10 AM, John Coyle wrote: Looking to tap the collective wisdom of the list, as I'm a bit out of touch with the equipment area. One of my granddaughters is showing an increasing interest in photography, and is outgrowing the compact digital and the iPad gear she has been using, and

RE: Camera for a 13-year old?

2014-08-01 Thread John Coyle
Thanks Bipin - your message arrived seconds after I sent my response to Larry, etc! The K500 sounds like a good suggestion John Coyle Brisbane, Australia -Original Message- From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Bipin Gupta Sent: Saturday, 2 August 2014 11:02 AM

RE: Camera for a 13-year old?

2014-08-01 Thread John Coyle
for a 13-year old? On 8/1/2014 2:10 AM, John Coyle wrote: Looking to tap the collective wisdom of the list, as I'm a bit out of touch with the equipment area. One of my granddaughters is showing an increasing interest in photography, and is outgrowing the compact digital and the iPad gear she

Re: Camera for a 13-year old?

2014-08-01 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
It depends on the child. When I was 12, my mom gave me her Argus C3 (my father bought her a new Kodak Retina IIIc). When I was 13, my grandfather loaned me his Rolleiflex Automat. That was at the start of High School. The following Summer, I took all the money I'd saved over the course of the