Re: OT Is returning a phone message really that complicated

2007-01-08 Thread David Mann
On Jan 8, 2007, at 7:30 PM, Digital Image Studio wrote: Same here, often Mrs Smiths from New Delhi :-( Our phone line is listed in my partner's name and we occasionally receive telemarketing calls for a Mister with her surname (which they always pronounce wrong). I can tell them with a

Re: OT Question (was Re: OT Is returning a phone message really that complicated)

2007-01-08 Thread David Mann
On Jan 9, 2007, at 4:30 PM, ann sanfedele wrote: The z is USA , the s is used by the Brits ann (the Scrabble player, remember? ) Lucky sods... you get to use the 10-point letter :) As far as I'm concerned, a word is legal if you can make up a plausible-sounding definition. - Dave --

Re: OT Is returning a phone message really that complicated

2007-01-08 Thread David Mann
On Jan 9, 2007, at 2:04 AM, Bob Shell wrote: One year the phone company put my photography studio in the yellow pages under Welding instead of Wedding. My mother-in-law's name is always mis-spelled in the phone directory. Every year she asks them to correct it, and gets a months free

Re: OT Is returning a phone message really that complicated

2007-01-07 Thread Bob Shell
On Jan 6, 2007, at 11:43 PM, Brendan MacRae wrote: You mean, hitting a cell phone user over the head with a big club and draging them away by their hair? Trust me, this has crossed my mind! Or just throwing the cell phone on the ground and bashing it with the club. Bob -- PDML

Re: OT Is returning a phone message really that complicated

2007-01-07 Thread ann sanfedele
David Savage wrote: But then you get people who'll break off a face to face conversation, to answer the phone. That really pi55es me off. I go days without even turning my mobile on. Dave Dave, this is ann calling, I just happened to be walking by your house and a saw two guys loading a

Re: OT Is returning a phone message really that complicated

2007-01-07 Thread ann sanfedele
I agree with you there, Adam, although I need to answer mine if I've given someone on craigslist the number. No, I'm talking about the college kids I know personally who take days to return phone calls and don't even listen to their messages. To me a cell phone is a lifeline. I've never

Re: OT Is returning a phone message really that complicated

2007-01-07 Thread David Savage
On 1/8/07, ann sanfedele [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: David Savage wrote: I go days without even turning my mobile on. Dave, this is ann calling, I just happened to be walking by your house and a saw two guys loading a truck with all your stuff in it . :) What are you doing call me?

Re: OT Is returning a phone message really that complicated

2007-01-07 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
Well, I have to say this has been an interesting discussion full of implicit self-contradictions. I too hate the imbeciles who use phones inappropriately ... when driving, when doing other things that require their attention, in an obnoxious manner, etc ... all the fault of the imbeciles

Re: OT Is returning a phone message really that complicated

2007-01-07 Thread David Savage
On 1/8/07, Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If I didn't have it with me and enabled for communications most of the time, then the people I gave the number to for purpose of finding me when it was *necessary* would not be able to rely upon it for communications in need and it would

Re: OT Is returning a phone message really that complicated

2007-01-07 Thread graywolf
While we are talking about this kind of stuff. What about folks who take the stroller inside the store. When I was young no one did that. If? they took the kid in with them they picked carried him/her. Now you go in the store and there are two women with their strollers completely blocking the

Re: OT Is returning a phone message really that complicated

2007-01-07 Thread John Francis
On Sun, Jan 07, 2007 at 01:08:05PM -0500, graywolf wrote: While we are talking about this kind of stuff. What about folks who take the stroller inside the store. When I was young no one did that. If? they took the kid in with them they picked carried him/her. Now you go in the store and

Re: OT Is returning a phone message really that complicated

2007-01-07 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Jan 7, 2007, at 8:55 AM, David Savage wrote: I don't have a mobile so people can call me, as such very few have the number. I have one so if I need to make a call, for instance when I'm on site at a job and need some information that's back at the office, I can. As I've said, if it

Re: OT Is returning a phone message really that complicated

2007-01-07 Thread David J Brooks
Quoting John Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Sun, Jan 07, 2007 at 01:08:05PM -0500, graywolf wrote: While we are talking about this kind of stuff. What about folks who take the stroller inside the store. When I was young no one did that. If? they took the kid in with them they picked carried

Re: OT Is returning a phone message really that complicated

2007-01-07 Thread Bob Shell
On Jan 7, 2007, at 1:21 PM, John Francis wrote: On Sun, Jan 07, 2007 at 01:08:05PM -0500, graywolf wrote: While we are talking about this kind of stuff. What about folks who take the stroller inside the store. When I was young no one did that. If? they took the kid in with them they

Re: OT Is returning a phone message really that complicated

2007-01-07 Thread Cotty
On 7/1/07, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed: I understand that ... for years, my mobile was only for work use, paid for by my company, and it was only with me or switched on when I was doing things for work. Nowadays, however, I work for myself and in need communications are

Re: OT Is returning a phone message really that complicated

2007-01-07 Thread Cotty
On 7/1/07, graywolf, discombobulated, unleashed: While we are talking about this kind of stuff. What about folks who take the stroller inside the store. When I was young no one did that. If? they took the kid in with them they picked carried him/her. Now you go in the store and there are two

RE: OT Is returning a phone message really that complicated

2007-01-07 Thread Tim Øsleby
My cell phone fantasies are more mid tech. Flushing them down in the loo is what struck me when I'm bugged. There is something about water and cell phones ;-) Tim Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of

Re: OT Is returning a phone message really that complicated

2007-01-07 Thread Paul Stenquist
I think anyone who takes a stroller in a store should be stoned. It's time we imposed some discipline on the unruly masses. Damn strollers. Damn babies. Why weren't they aborted? :-). Paul On Jan 7, 2007, at 4:08 PM, John Francis wrote: On Sun, Jan 07, 2007 at 06:52:54PM +, Cotty wrote:

Re: OT Is returning a phone message really that complicated

2007-01-07 Thread Bob Shell
On Jan 7, 2007, at 4:47 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: I think anyone who takes a stroller in a store should be stoned. It's time we imposed some discipline on the unruly masses. Damn strollers. Damn babies. Why weren't they aborted? :-). Yep. Personally, I think abortion should be legalup

RE: OT Is returning a phone message really that complicated

2007-01-07 Thread Bob W
As I've said, if it wasn't for these work situations I wouldn't have one at all. I use one for work, but I don't like the constant availability it seems to imply. However, I would still keep one even if not for work because they are very useful in other ways. For example, London transport is

Re: OT Is returning a phone message really that complicated

2007-01-07 Thread Paul Stenquist
I use a cell phone for virtually all of my voice communications. My home phone is used only as a link for my satellite television account. I am rarely in a position to take calls at home. But I have to stay in contact with a lot of clients and friends. The cell phone has simplified my life

Re: OT Is returning a phone message really that complicated

2007-01-07 Thread Kenneth Waller
I see the issue with cell phones is that many people let the phones rule them. If it rings it must be answered. Its a tool as such the user should be in control not vice versa. Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: OT Is returning a phone

Re: OT Is returning a phone message really that complicated

2007-01-07 Thread Paul Stenquist
I'm with you there. On my cell phone I answer most calls because the number is not widely distributed. But I always check the ID. If it's suppressed, I don't answer. I never answer my land line. I do check the messages from time to time. Paul On Jan 7, 2007, at 5:54 PM, Digital Image Studio

Re: OT Is returning a phone message really that complicated

2007-01-07 Thread Digital Image Studio
On 08/01/07, Kenneth Waller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I see the issue with cell phones is that many people let the phones rule them. If it rings it must be answered. Its a tool as such the user should be in control not vice versa. I've noticed that the callers expectations have changed, I

Re: OT Is returning a phone message really that complicated

2007-01-07 Thread John Francis
On Mon, Jan 08, 2007 at 09:54:33AM +1100, Digital Image Studio wrote: On 08/01/07, Kenneth Waller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I see the issue with cell phones is that many people let the phones rule them. If it rings it must be answered. Its a tool as such the user should be in control not

Re: OT Is returning a phone message really that complicated

2007-01-07 Thread Doug Franklin
Paul Stenquist wrote: I think anyone who takes a stroller in a store should be stoned. It's time we imposed some discipline on the unruly masses. Damn strollers. Damn babies. Why weren't they aborted? :-). Nuke the unborn gay baby seals. :D -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML

Re: OT Is returning a phone message really that complicated

2007-01-07 Thread Doug Franklin
Kenneth Waller wrote: I see the issue with cell phones is that many people let the phones rule them. If it rings it must be answered. Its a tool as such the user should be in control not vice versa. It's not just cell phones, either. I've seen the same thing with email and land-line

Re: OT Is returning a phone message really that complicated

2007-01-07 Thread Digital Image Studio
On 08/01/07, Doug Franklin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: About cell phones, the ones that kill me are the ones that walk out of the house, and fire up the cell phone even before they get into their car to leave. Umm, I've found most people never turn them off to start with ;-) -- Rob Studdert

Re: OT Is returning a phone message really that complicated

2007-01-07 Thread Paul Stenquist
Yes! Finally, someone on the list gets it right! :-)) Paul On Jan 7, 2007, at 6:22 PM, Doug Franklin wrote: Paul Stenquist wrote: I think anyone who takes a stroller in a store should be stoned. It's time we imposed some discipline on the unruly masses. Damn strollers. Damn babies. Why

Re: OT Is returning a phone message really that complicated

2007-01-07 Thread Doug Franklin
Digital Image Studio wrote: On 08/01/07, Doug Franklin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: About cell phones, the ones that kill me are the ones that walk out of the house, and fire up the cell phone even before they get into their car to leave. Umm, I've found most people never turn them off to

Re: OT Is returning a phone message really that complicated

2007-01-07 Thread David J Brooks
Quoting Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Absolutely. I have to be contactable 24 hours a day as a part of my contract, and so I carry 2 cell phones Cheers, Cotty Then how come Norm got your voice mail:-) Dave ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|

Re: OT Is returning a phone message really that complicated

2007-01-07 Thread Kenneth Waller
When I commuted to work @ 6:00AM EST, I was amazed @ the number of people I'd see on the cell phone @ such an early hour. Who are they talking to? Their broker in Japan? Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: Doug Franklin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: OT Is returning a phone

Re: OT Is returning a phone message really that complicated

2007-01-07 Thread John Francis
On Sun, Jan 07, 2007 at 06:52:54PM +, Cotty wrote: On 7/1/07, graywolf, discombobulated, unleashed: While we are talking about this kind of stuff. What about folks who take the stroller inside the store. When I was young no one did that. If? they took the kid in with them they picked

Re: OT Is returning a phone message really that complicated

2007-01-07 Thread David Mann
On Jan 8, 2007, at 11:54 AM, Digital Image Studio wrote: And I must admit I'm far less inclined to answer any phone these days if the senders caller ID has been suppressed. I learned that trick fairly quickly after I set up a toll-free line for my business. The only people who suppressed

Re: OT Is returning a phone message really that complicated

2007-01-07 Thread David Mann
On Jan 8, 2007, at 5:55 AM, David Savage wrote: I have one so if I need to make a call, for instance when I'm on site at a job and need some information that's back at the office, I can. The major reason I carry a phone is in case of emergency, or if I lose my partner at the mall or

Re: OT Is returning a phone message really that complicated

2007-01-07 Thread David Savage
On 1/8/07, David Mann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Being able to dash off a quick text message is also rather handy for times when immediate attention is not required. I wish landlines could do that. Telsra (the major phone provider here) offers SMS text messaging on home phones that support the

Re: OT Is returning a phone message really that complicated

2007-01-07 Thread Cotty
On 7/1/07, Paul Stenquist, discombobulated, unleashed: I'm with you there. On my cell phone I answer most calls because the number is not widely distributed. But I always check the ID. If it's suppressed, I don't answer. I never answer my land line. I do check the messages from time to

Re: OT Is returning a phone message really that complicated

2007-01-07 Thread David Savage
On 1/8/07, Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You guys are all nuts. I answer any phone call I get, mobile or landline. Unsolicited canvassing calls amount to probably less than half a dozen a year. We get about 3-4 per day on average. We get / make many calls to / from friends and relatives.

Re: OT Is returning a phone message really that complicated

2007-01-07 Thread Digital Image Studio
On 08/01/07, David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 1/8/07, Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You guys are all nuts. I answer any phone call I get, mobile or landline. Unsolicited canvassing calls amount to probably less than half a dozen a year. We get about 3-4 per day on average. Same

Re: OT Is returning a phone message really that complicated

2007-01-07 Thread Bob Sullivan
Same here, usually at dinnertime, until they implemented national 'do not call' lists and laws with $200 fines. Regards, Bob S. On 1/8/07, Digital Image Studio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 08/01/07, David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 1/8/07, Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You guys are

Re: OT Is returning a phone message really that complicated

2007-01-07 Thread P. J. Alling
Each other. Kenneth Waller wrote: When I commuted to work @ 6:00AM EST, I was amazed @ the number of people I'd see on the cell phone @ such an early hour. Who are they talking to? Their broker in Japan? Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: Doug Franklin [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: OT Is returning a phone message really that complicated

2007-01-07 Thread Digital Image Studio
On 08/01/07, Bob Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Same here, usually at dinnertime, until they implemented national 'do not call' lists and laws with $200 fines. We have similar laws too (but the fines are huge) however they have no jurisdiction over calls initiated from outside the country.

Re: OT Is returning a phone message really that complicated

2007-01-06 Thread Bob Shell
On Jan 5, 2007, at 10:50 PM, David Savage wrote: But then you get people who'll break off a face to face conversation, to answer the phone. That really pi55es me off. I won't put up with a salesclerk who does that. I politely tell him/ her to put the caller on hold until we finish. If

Re: OT Is returning a phone message really that complicated

2007-01-06 Thread K.Takeshita
On 1/06/07 1:31 PM, Bob Shell, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think cell phone use in theaters, restaurants, and many other places should simply be banned since people are too damned stupid to know when it isn't appropriate. They are not only rude and unsophisticated, but have nerve to do so.

Re: OT Is returning a phone message really that complicated

2007-01-06 Thread Bob Shell
On Jan 6, 2007, at 1:56 PM, K.Takeshita wrote: I think cell phone use in theaters, restaurants, and many other places should simply be banned since people are too damned stupid to know when it isn't appropriate. They are not only rude and unsophisticated, but have nerve to do so. Just

Re: OT Is returning a phone message really that complicated

2007-01-06 Thread Boris Liberman
Bob Shell wrote: Agreed. I saw on TV that they have the technology now to disable cell phones inside of buildings, and that it was being used in some French movie theaters. Now that's technology that makes sense. The only good side of this is that people who have mental disorders

Re: OT Is returning a phone message really that complicated

2007-01-06 Thread P. J. Alling
You could always disable cell phones inside buildings, like any other radio transceiver, just put one in a *Faraday cage.* Bob Shell wrote: On Jan 6, 2007, at 1:56 PM, K.Takeshita wrote: I think cell phone use in theaters, restaurants, and many other places should simply be banned since

Re: OT Is returning a phone message really that complicated

2007-01-06 Thread Cotty
On 6/1/07, P. J. Alling, discombobulated, unleashed: You could always disable cell phones inside buildings, like any other radio transceiver, just put one in a *Faraday cage.* Only works one day a week though. Bummer. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche

Re: OT Is returning a phone message really that complicated

2007-01-06 Thread David Mann
On Jan 7, 2007, at 7:31 AM, Bob Shell wrote: Somebody in the next booth started making calls and talking to whoever he was calling very loudly. That's something that bugs me, too. People always seem to raise their voice when using telephones for some reason. Maybe it's the same thing

Re: OT Is returning a phone message really that complicated

2007-01-06 Thread Brendan MacRae
--- David Mann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 7, 2007, at 11:57 AM, P. J. Alling wrote: You could always disable cell phones inside buildings, like any other radio transceiver, just put one in a *Faraday cage.* I think this may be one of those problems where a level of technology

Re: OT Is returning a phone message really that complicated

2007-01-06 Thread David Mann
On Jan 7, 2007, at 11:57 AM, P. J. Alling wrote: You could always disable cell phones inside buildings, like any other radio transceiver, just put one in a *Faraday cage.* A lot easier said than done on that kind of scale. It's quite hard to effectively shield a room against RF, especially

Re: OT Is returning a phone message really that complicated

2007-01-06 Thread Boris Liberman
Hi! David Mann wrote: On Jan 7, 2007, at 11:57 AM, P. J. Alling wrote: You could always disable cell phones inside buildings, like any other radio transceiver, just put one in a *Faraday cage.* A lot easier said than done on that kind of scale. It's quite hard to effectively shield a

Re: OT Is returning a phone message really that complicated

2007-01-05 Thread ann sanfedele
It is not just businesses, alas - Forgive me if you are a young adult/ college kid, who answers every phone call you receive, but I've been finding that people in that age group rarely answer their cell phones and take days to reply to messages. Although, to be fair, I know a couple of people

Re: OT Is returning a phone message really that complicated

2007-01-05 Thread Adam Maas
One reason for that is that the younger set has grown up in an era of Telemarketing. Few calls from unrecognized sources have any worth and most are a waste of time. I certainly never answer calls from names/numbers I don't recognize. -Adam ann sanfedele wrote: It is not just businesses,

Re: OT Is returning a phone message really that complicated

2007-01-05 Thread David Savage
But then you get people who'll break off a face to face conversation, to answer the phone. That really pi55es me off. I go days without even turning my mobile on. Dave On 1/6/07, ann sanfedele [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is not just businesses, alas - Forgive me if you are a young adult/

Re: OT Is returning a phone message really that complicated

2007-01-04 Thread Paul Stenquist
I've had good luck with Sigma service in the US. But I bought the 500 and something Pentax flash anyway, because I had a job coming up where I needed a compact P-TTL flash. I'm going to send my Sigma in for service soon. Paul On Jan 4, 2007, at 6:42 PM, David J Brooks wrote: Arggg.

Re: OT Is returning a phone message really that complicated

2007-01-04 Thread Norm Baugher
Maybe there was an earthquake in India? Norm David J Brooks wrote: Arggg. Sorry, but i need to vent here. First it was Pentax for poor returned phone calls, but i could always reach someone in service. Then, after getting into Nikon, they over a period of 5 years, only returned

Re: OT Is returning a phone message really that complicated

2007-01-04 Thread David J Brooks
I know you'd call me back. Eh?:-) Dave Quoting Norm Baugher [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Maybe there was an earthquake in India? Norm David J Brooks wrote: Arggg. Sorry, but i need to vent here. First it was Pentax for poor returned phone calls, but i could always reach someone in service.

Re: OT Is returning a phone message really that complicated

2007-01-04 Thread David J Brooks
Actually, Gentec is about 10 Km's from work. All i need is a confirmation they can do the work. Dave Quoting Norm Baugher [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Maybe there was an earthquake in India? Norm David J Brooks wrote: Arggg. Sorry, but i need to vent here. First it was Pentax for poor

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