Re: Some more new camera speculation

2006-03-07 Thread Pål Jensen
John wrote: Nobody has been leading you on, except perhaps a few people here who still cling to the belief (or, IMO, delusion) that Pentax would decide to re-introduce a mechanical aperture sensor, or go back to aperture rings on lenses. REPLY: But the new D FA lenses have aperture rings. We

Re: Some more new camera speculation

2006-03-07 Thread Paul Stenquist
There are no new DFA lenses. The high-end fast lenses that Pentax will release next year are all DA lenses without aperture rings. The only DFA lens is for the 645. No DFA lenses for 35mm or APS-C are on the horizon. On Mar 7, 2006, at 6:52 AM, Pål Jensen wrote: John wrote: Nobody has been

Re: Some more new camera speculation

2006-03-07 Thread Pål Jensen
- Original Message - From: Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] There are no new DFA lenses. The high-end fast lenses that Pentax will release next year are all DA lenses without aperture rings. The only DFA lens is for the 645. No DFA lenses for 35mm or APS-C are on the horizon.

Re: Some more new camera speculation

2006-03-07 Thread Adam Maas
Pål Jensen wrote: - Original Message - From: Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] There are no new DFA lenses. The high-end fast lenses that Pentax will release next year are all DA lenses without aperture rings. The only DFA lens is for the 645. No DFA lenses for 35mm or APS-C are

Re: Some more new camera speculation

2006-03-07 Thread pnstenquist
I suspect the macros were offered as DFA lenses so that they would appeal to the remaining film users as well as the digital folk. The fact that none of the projected lenses are DFA is a very clear message. Paul -- Original message -- From: Pål Jensen [EMAIL

Re: Some more new camera speculation

2006-03-04 Thread Derby Chang
Bob Sullivan wrote: Brother Aaron, Sitting here looking at my 67II on the fireplace mantle... The *istDS is in view, but it is such a sissy camera. And I think you 'hit the nail on the head' about the 645D - Woman's camera! Next thing we know, it will come in those silly Hassy designer colors.

Re: Some more new camera speculation

2006-03-04 Thread Jostein
- Original Message - From: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ahhh! of course! And then the road would be paved for the ultimate digital camera of the Space Age: *istR2D2. Oh my God that's baaad. Of course! What did you expect? :-) Sister Jostein

Re: Some more new camera speculation

2006-03-04 Thread Bob Sullivan
Derby, That is cool! Regards, Bob S. On 3/4/06, Derby Chang [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bob Sullivan wrote: Brother Aaron, Sitting here looking at my 67II on the fireplace mantle... The *istDS is in view, but it is such a sissy camera. And I think you 'hit the nail on the head' about

Re: Some more new camera speculation

2006-03-04 Thread Cotty
On 4/3/06, Jostein, discombobulated, unleashed: Of course! What did you expect? :-) I would have used a Death Star 85mm Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _

Sv: Re: Some more new camera speculation

2006-03-03 Thread paulus.eriksson
According to someone at Pentax Sweden there will be two 10 megapixel SLR cameras coming this fall. One with shake reuction and the whole kit and one bare-bone w/o shake reduction. Note that this is not a confirmed source, just another rumor. /Paul

Re: Re: Some more new camera speculation

2006-03-03 Thread Dario Bonazza
Yes, they will be called the *istD2S (D2 Shake) and *istD2R (D2 Reduction). Joking apart, thanks Paul. Dario - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 3:46 PM Subject: Sv: Re: Some more new camera speculation According

Re: Some more new camera speculation

2006-03-03 Thread Sylwester Pietrzyk
Dario Bonazza wrote on 03.03.06 16:17: Yes, they will be called the *istD2S (D2 Shake) and *istD2R (D2 Reduction). And third one *istD2N (Nonsense) ;-) Anyway, maybe some more reliable rumours about new D would appear during upcoming PIE 2006 starting 23.03? -- Balance is the ultimate good...

Re: Re: Some more new camera speculation

2006-03-03 Thread Jostein
Yes, they will be called the *istD2S (D2 Shake) and *istD2R (D2 Reduction). Ahhh! of course! And then the road would be paved for the ultimate digital camera of the Space Age: *istR2D2. :-) Jostein

Re: Some more new camera speculation

2006-03-03 Thread Cotty
On 3/3/06, Jostein, discombobulated, unleashed: Ahhh! of course! And then the road would be paved for the ultimate digital camera of the Space Age: *istR2D2. Oh my God that's baaad. Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com

Re: Some more new camera speculation

2006-03-03 Thread Michel Carrère-Gée
Jostein a écrit : Yes, they will be called the *istD2S (D2 Shake) and *istD2R (D2 Reduction). All news Optio's products are named *?10*: *A10, T10, M10, W10* So, I think: *K10D *; K is a mystic name for Pentax Michel

Re: Some more new camera speculation

2006-03-02 Thread graywolf
: - Original Message - From: Gonz Subject: Re: Some more new camera speculation John Forbes wrote: Yes, but Rob has been in the market since 1988, and in Australia, and before the internet, and perhaps buying new. Not many Pentax lenses are worth more than they were new. Although some

Re: Some more new camera speculation

2006-03-02 Thread Rob Studdert
On 2 Mar 2006 at 0:31, Adam Maas wrote: Full Frame 35mm is simply more demanding on lenses, and requires more expensive and higher quality glass than subframe APS-C for good performance. Not entirely, on a pixel for pixel count basis an high density APS-C sized sensor also requires a lens of

Re: Some more new camera speculation

2006-03-02 Thread Adam Maas
Rob Studdert wrote: On 2 Mar 2006 at 0:31, Adam Maas wrote: Full Frame 35mm is simply more demanding on lenses, and requires more expensive and higher quality glass than subframe APS-C for good performance. Not entirely, on a pixel for pixel count basis an high density APS-C sized

Re: Some more new camera speculation

2006-03-02 Thread Bob Shell
On Mar 1, 2006, at 9:45 PM, Peter Loveday wrote: I wonder though with a 28mm sensor, if we're moving it by 5mm in each direction to achieve stabilization, how many 35mm have good coverage on a 38mm wide rectangle? I can't imagine any DA lenses doing it (well, the 40 might), and certainly

Re: Some more new camera speculation

2006-03-02 Thread Tom C
Sounds good so far! Tom C. From: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: Some more new camera speculation Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 23:14:10 -0600 - Original Message - From: Tom C Subject: RE: Some more new camera

Re: Some more new camera speculation

2006-03-02 Thread John Francis
On Thu, Mar 02, 2006 at 07:58:07AM -0500, Bob Shell wrote: The important thing that gets lost in all this techno-babble is that it WORKS. I can hand hold a 300mm at 1/15 second, without a monopod. Bob Ah. Practical experience. Don't you know that disqualifies you from posting an

RE: Some more new camera speculation

2006-03-02 Thread Jens Bladt
@pdml.net Emne: Re: Some more new camera speculation On 1 Mar 2006 at 17:01, John Francis wrote: You think Pentax screwed up. I think they took a risk, gambled on Philips being able to deliver the chip, and lost. In hindsight it looks like a bad decision, but presumably somebody thought

Re: Some more new camera speculation

2006-03-02 Thread Vic MacBournie
. marts 2006 00:16 Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: Re: Some more new camera speculation On 1 Mar 2006 at 17:01, John Francis wrote: You think Pentax screwed up. I think they took a risk, gambled on Philips being able to deliver the chip, and lost. In hindsight it looks like a bad decision

Re: Some more new camera speculation

2006-03-02 Thread Bob Shell
On Mar 2, 2006, at 12:34 PM, John Francis wrote: Ah. Practical experience. Don't you know that disqualifies you from posting an opinion here? :-) Seriously, though - I've heard conflicting reports as to whether this technology is of any use when panning. Would you know? I don't shoot

Re: Some more new camera speculation

2006-03-02 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Mar 2, 2006, at 11:04 AM, Bob Shell wrote: Ah. Practical experience. Don't you know that disqualifies you from posting an opinion here? :-) Seriously, though - I've heard conflicting reports as to whether this technology is of any use when panning. Would you know? I don't shoot sports,

Re: Some more new camera speculation

2006-03-01 Thread Kostas Kavoussanakis
On Wed, 1 Mar 2006, Rob Studdert wrote: On 1 Mar 2006 at 0:28, John Forbes wrote: Yes, but Rob has been in the market since 1988, and in Australia, and before the internet, and perhaps buying new. Not many Pentax lenses are worth more than they were new. Of my late purchases looking at

Re: Some more new camera speculation

2006-03-01 Thread David Savage
When you disagree with someones point of view it's pissing moaning, when you concur it's a valid opinion?!! Dave On 3/1/06, Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You folks just love hearing yourselves piss and moan. It's embarrassing to even listen to it. G

Re: Re: Some more new camera speculation

2006-03-01 Thread Kostas Kavoussanakis
On Tue, 28 Feb 2006, John Francis wrote: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Some people are just pissed that their 25-year-old lenses need a whole extra press of a button to work on the new cameras. Terrible isn't it, especially since the FA lenses give you all those new features, like USM and IS... They

Re: Some more new camera speculation

2006-03-01 Thread Bob Shell
On Feb 28, 2006, at 6:54 PM, Rob Studdert wrote: You are not feeling especially smart, either. I recall that Pentax was pretty blunt about the FF camera not being marketable due to sensor issues. So you are telling me that they didn't know this or it wasn't an issue when it was shown to

Re: Some more new camera speculation

2006-03-01 Thread John Forbes
On Wed, 01 Mar 2006 11:26:09 -, Bob Shell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 28, 2006, at 6:54 PM, Rob Studdert wrote: You are not feeling especially smart, either. I recall that Pentax was pretty blunt about the FF camera not being marketable due to sensor issues. So you are telling me

Re: Some more new camera speculation

2006-03-01 Thread Lon Williamson
Weren't the early 645s pure mechanical coupling? If so, given that this is the beast that Pentax is taking into the Pro DLSR arena, what are the chances that the 645 prototype at PMA does retain mechanical couplings? Anyone? -Lon John Forbes wrote: Just what is the attraction of a

Re: Some more new camera speculation

2006-03-01 Thread Jack Davis
A prime clarifying example of knowledge revealing the absurdity of emotional assumptions. Thanks, Bob! Jack --- Bob Shell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 28, 2006, at 6:54 PM, Rob Studdert wrote: You are not feeling especially smart, either. I recall that Pentax was pretty blunt about

Re: Some more new camera speculation

2006-03-01 Thread K.Takeshita
On 3/01/06 9:54 AM, Jack Davis, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A prime clarifying example of knowledge revealing the absurdity of emotional assumptions. The Contax N Digital was nearly two years late to dealers, sold poorly and performed even more poorly due to chip and firmware problems, both of

RE: Re: Some more new camera speculation

2006-03-01 Thread Jens Bladt
PROTECTED] Sendt: 1. marts 2006 00:00 Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: Re: Re: Some more new camera speculation On Wed, Mar 01, 2006 at 08:51:21AM +1000, Rob Studdert wrote: On 28 Feb 2006 at 13:11, John Francis wrote: Hmm. So if the power contacts come back, presumably we would get

RE: Some more new camera speculation

2006-03-01 Thread Jens Bladt
PROTECTED] Sendt: 1. marts 2006 00:01 Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: Re: Some more new camera speculation Rob, Just what is the attraction of a 35mm-sized sensor on digital? It's much more expensive, both for the body and the lenses (note how much cheaper the DA macro lenses, for instance

Re: Some more new camera speculation

2006-03-01 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Jens Bladt Subject: RE: Some more new camera speculation Why ask only Rob. Ask all the photogs, that uses Canons or Kodak kameras with larger sensors! The anser is of cource better resolution with less limitations, caused by the lens resolutuin

Re: Some more new camera speculation

2006-03-01 Thread K.Takeshita
On 3/01/06 10:24 AM, K.Takeshita, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pentax MZ-D was truly ready for the production (some production models are actually being used within Pentax) but as Bob said, the price killed it. Something else I remember. I heard that it was Philips who initially approached Pentax

RE: Some more new camera speculation

2006-03-01 Thread Kostas Kavoussanakis
On Wed, 1 Mar 2006, Jens Bladt wrote: Ask all the photogs, that uses Canons or Kodak kameras with larger sensors! I think you should first ask Kodak if they still make FF Canon/Nikon mount DSLRs; I could not find one on their website but haven't looked well enough. Also, wonder why Nikon

Re: Some more new camera speculation

2006-03-01 Thread Adam Maas
Kostas Kavoussanakis wrote: On Wed, 1 Mar 2006, Jens Bladt wrote: Ask all the photogs, that uses Canons or Kodak kameras with larger sensors! I think you should first ask Kodak if they still make FF Canon/Nikon mount DSLRs; I could not find one on their website but haven't looked well

Re: Some more new camera speculation

2006-03-01 Thread Kostas Kavoussanakis
On Wed, 1 Mar 2006, Adam Maas wrote: Kostas, Kodak discontinued all their DSLR's around a year ago. Really? What will the pros do now? I see a real market gap and Pentax should rush! Not. Kostas (thanks Adam)

Re: Some more new camera speculation

2006-03-01 Thread Tom C
to hear one side of things. Tom C. From: Jostein [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: Some more new camera speculation Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2006 08:28:53 +0100 - Original Message - From: Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] You folks

Re: Some more new camera speculation

2006-03-01 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Tom C Subject: Re: Some more new camera speculation For me at least, I don't plan to throw any more money into Pentax. A lot of the photography I enjoy doing is night shots, including quite shortly astrophotography. Therefore a lower noise at higher

Re: Some more new camera speculation

2006-03-01 Thread Cory Papenfuss
On Wed, 1 Mar 2006, Tom C wrote: Some of you seem to think this is the Pentax Lovers List vs. a discussion list. I find it interesting. Some of us have compained that Pentax did not have an upgrade offering to the *istD. That was met with claims that the *ist D does everything they want,

RE: Some more new camera speculation

2006-03-01 Thread Jens Bladt
Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: RE: Some more new camera speculation On Wed, 1 Mar 2006, Jens Bladt wrote: Ask all the photogs, that uses Canons or Kodak kameras with larger sensors! I think you should first ask Kodak if they still make FF Canon/Nikon mount DSLRs; I could not find one

Re: Some more new camera speculation

2006-03-01 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Jens Bladt Subject: RE: Some more new camera speculation Perhaps so, but many cameras are still in use by photographers. Canon still made the 1D Mark II and 1D Mark II N with 28.7 x 19.1 mm sensors. That is hardly full frame William Robb

Re: Some more new camera speculation

2006-03-01 Thread Tom C
that. Agreed, what we *know* about the new Pentax is very little. Tom Tom C. From: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: Some more new camera speculation Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 11:21:43 -0600 - Original Message - From: Tom

Re: Some more new camera speculation

2006-03-01 Thread Shel Belinkoff
I don't know anything about what's required for astrophotography, but Canon has at least one model that is designed for such use. Don't know how good it is for the purpose, but here you have it: http://www.bobatkins.com/photography/digital/eos20da.html Shel From: Cory Papenfuss

RE: Some more new camera speculation

2006-03-01 Thread Jens Bladt
new camera speculation - Original Message - From: Jens Bladt Subject: RE: Some more new camera speculation Perhaps so, but many cameras are still in use by photographers. Canon still made the 1D Mark II and 1D Mark II N with 28.7 x 19.1 mm sensors. That is hardly full frame William

Re: Some more new camera speculation

2006-03-01 Thread Tom C
Crap... I hate it when I send things to the list that were menat to be private. :-( Tom C. From: Tom C [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: Some more new camera speculation Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2006 10:36:52 -0700 Offlist so I don't

Re: Some more new camera speculation

2006-03-01 Thread Tom C
Very high quality astrophotos can be taken with DSLR's. Sure those that have unlimited funds can afford to buy the dedicated cooled sensor cameras. Even they are becoming a little chagrined at how well the new DLSR's (esp., Canons perform). The quibbling is often more like, I spent $10K on

Re: Some more new camera speculation

2006-03-01 Thread Shel Belinkoff
I love it when private mail goes public ;-)) Shel [Original Message] From: Tom C Offlist so I don't get whammed. I really think that Pentax will not be around for ever in the consumer camera market. I of course can be wrong. If I were a bettor, I'd give it a 50/50 chance they sell

Re: Some more new camera speculation

2006-03-01 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Jens Bladt Subject: RE: Some more new camera speculation Nop, but appr. 5mm more in each direction! That ought to count for something - 60% more, actually. It doesn't count as full frame, which I believe is what you were implying in a previous post. I

Re: Some more new camera speculation

2006-03-01 Thread Ryan Brooks
William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: Jens Bladt Subject: RE: Some more new camera speculation Nop, but appr. 5mm more in each direction! That ought to count for something - 60% more, actually. It doesn't count as full frame, which I believe is what you were implying

Re: Some more new camera speculation

2006-03-01 Thread John Francis
I very much appreciate Bob and Ken and their well-informed posts. Much of the information Bob gives was pretty well known at the time (albeit not officially confirmed directly from Pentax), so I'm not sure why there are so many alternative explanations for the MZ-D never making it to the store

Re: Some more new camera speculation

2006-03-01 Thread Tom C
From: John Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED] By the time it next became feasible for Pentax to consider a DSLR (though, I'd guess, with a somewhat smaller design budget) the PZ design team were the ones who got the job. As a result we got a camera that was ergonomically very close to the PZ-1p. I

Re: Re: Some more new camera speculation

2006-03-01 Thread dagt
emne: Re: Some more new camera speculation Offlist so I don't get whammed. I really think that Pentax will not be around for ever in the consumer camera market. I of course can be wrong. If I were a bettor, I'd give it a 50/50 chance they sell the thing to Samsung. I think the 645D

Re: Some more new camera speculation

2006-03-01 Thread pnstenquist
, is an expression of an opinion. It seems many here only want to hear one side of things. Tom C. From: Jostein [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: Some more new camera speculation Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2006 08:28:53 +0100

Re: Some more new camera speculation

2006-03-01 Thread Shel Belinkoff
And there you are, Paul, stomping on them ;-)) Shel [Original Message] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [...] I don't recall anyone here ever saying they didn't want anything more than the D. Not only do you whine, you grow your own grapes. From: Tom C Some of you seem to think this is

Re: Some more new camera speculation

2006-03-01 Thread Bob Shell
On Mar 1, 2006, at 11:01 AM, K.Takeshita wrote: Something else I remember. I heard that it was Philips who initially approached Pentax for using their sensor (this is true), but their true target was the Pentax's 645 (this part is a second-hand info, but apparently from Pentax source).

Re: Some more new camera speculation

2006-03-01 Thread Bob Shell
On Mar 1, 2006, at 11:09 AM, Adam Maas wrote: Kostas, Kodak discontinued all their DSLR's around a year ago. Yes, and they promised support at the time, but have not provided it. Recently they raised the price of the rechargeable battery pack from $ 100 to $ 400! It's like they want

Re: Some more new camera speculation

2006-03-01 Thread pnstenquist
Barefoot, no less. :-). Have to be careful not to cut my feet on some full-frame lover's broken heart.:-)) -- Original message -- From: Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] And there you are, Paul, stomping on them ;-)) Shel [Original Message] From:

Re: Some more new camera speculation

2006-03-01 Thread John Francis
On Wed, Mar 01, 2006 at 09:53:02AM -0700, Tom C wrote: Some of us have compained that Pentax did not have an upgrade offering to the *istD. That was met with claims that the *ist D does everything they want, 6.1MP gave images with all the quality they wanted, why would we want something

Re: Some more new camera speculation

2006-03-01 Thread Cotty
On 1/3/06, Rob Studdert, discombobulated, unleashed: Ah but I like you guys and I love your reactions :-) Masochist! Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _

Re: Some more new camera speculation

2006-03-01 Thread Adam Maas
Bob Shell wrote: On Mar 1, 2006, at 11:01 AM, K.Takeshita wrote: Something else I remember. I heard that it was Philips who initially approached Pentax for using their sensor (this is true), but their true target was the Pentax's 645 (this part is a second-hand info, but apparently from

Re: Some more new camera speculation

2006-03-01 Thread K.Takeshita
On 3/01/06 1:53 PM, Bob Shell, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 1, 2006, at 11:01 AM, K.Takeshita wrote: Something else I remember. I heard that it was Philips who initially approached Pentax for using their sensor (this is true), but their true target was the Pentax's 645 (this part is a

Re: Some more new camera speculation

2006-03-01 Thread K.Takeshita
On 3/01/06 2:03 PM, Adam Maas, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Doubtful, the sensor in question is distinctly small for a MF digital, being half the size of the typical 36x48 sensor for MF digital. According to the story, Philips were looking over the shoulder of Pentax at 645 market which they knew

Re: Some more new camera speculation

2006-03-01 Thread Tom C
From: John Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Wed, Mar 01, 2006 at 09:53:02AM -0700, Tom C wrote: Some of us have compained that Pentax did not have an upgrade offering to the *istD. That was met with claims that the *ist D does everything they want, 6.1MP gave images with all the quality they

Re: Some more new camera speculation

2006-03-01 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Tom C Subject: Re: Some more new camera speculation I'm sure it will be a nice camera. I guess in the end, I am reacting to the categorization of a negative opinion as whining. Just because it's an opinion that's at odds with anothers does not make

Re: Some more new camera speculation

2006-03-01 Thread Jack Davis
@pdml.net Subject: Re: Some more new camera speculation Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2006 10:36:52 -0700 Offlist so I don't get whammed. I really think that Pentax will not be around for ever in the consumer camera market. I of course can be wrong. If I were a bettor, I'd give it a 50/50 chance

Re: Some more new camera speculation

2006-03-01 Thread Gonz
John Forbes wrote: Yes, but Rob has been in the market since 1988, and in Australia, and before the internet, and perhaps buying new. Not many Pentax lenses are worth more than they were new. Although some of the more high end lenses are selling for exhorbitant prices right now. See

Re: Some more new camera speculation

2006-03-01 Thread Kenneth Waller
Offlist so I don't get whammed Wham Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: Tom C [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Some more new camera speculation Offlist so I don't get whammed. I really think that Pentax will not be around for ever in the consumer camera market. I of course

Re: Some more new camera speculation

2006-03-01 Thread E.R.N. Reed
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There's no reason to believe the Nikon would be lower noise. In fact, there's reason to suspect it would be higher noise. I don't recall anyone here ever saying they didn't want anything more than the D. Not only do you whine, you grow your own grapes. It's true of

Re: Some more new camera speculation

2006-03-01 Thread E.R.N. Reed
William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: Tom C Subject: Re: Some more new camera speculation I'm sure it will be a nice camera. I guess in the end, I am reacting to the categorization of a negative opinion as whining. Just because it's an opinion that's at odds

Re: Some more new camera speculation

2006-03-01 Thread Rob Studdert
On 1 Mar 2006 at 10:24, K.Takeshita wrote: Adding to this, Kyocra actually approached Pentax for help when they (Kyocera) had been plagued by the noise problem (even at ISO100), as Pentax had solved it at the time. But Pentax respectfully declined. So, Kyocera was on their own and got back

Re: Some more new camera speculation

2006-03-01 Thread Tom C
Ouch that hurt! :-) Tom C. Wham Kenneth Waller

Re: Some more new camera speculation

2006-03-01 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Mar 1, 2006, at 10:01 AM, William Robb wrote: Nop, but appr. 5mm more in each direction! That ought to count for something - 60% more, actually. It doesn't count as full frame, which I believe is what you were implying in a previous post. I could be wrong about your intent though.

Re: Some more new camera speculation

2006-03-01 Thread Bob Shell
On Mar 1, 2006, at 4:41 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: Larger sensors are quieter, yes. There is a balance between noise, resolution density, sensitivity, power consumption, cost, etc etc etc, when designing a sensor. With the freedom to design a sensor to meet any specific need at will, why

Re: Some more new camera speculation

2006-03-01 Thread Bob Shell
On Mar 1, 2006, at 5:26 PM, Rob Studdert wrote: Thanks for the additional info Ken. So in essence where Pentax screwed up was in securing a solid pricing and procurement deal? Having being in design I find it hard to understand why anyone would sink that much RD into a product when the

RE: Some more new camera speculation

2006-03-01 Thread Jens Bladt
! Regards Jens x24mmo, I believe i Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: William Robb [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 1. marts 2006 19:01 Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: Re: Some more new camera speculation - Original Message - From: Jens Bladt Subject

Re: Some more new camera speculation

2006-03-01 Thread John Francis
On Thu, Mar 02, 2006 at 08:26:10AM +1000, Rob Studdert wrote: On 1 Mar 2006 at 10:24, K.Takeshita wrote: Adding to this, Kyocra actually approached Pentax for help when they (Kyocera) had been plagued by the noise problem (even at ISO100), as Pentax had solved it at the time. But Pentax

Re: Some more new camera speculation

2006-03-01 Thread Rob Studdert
On 1 Mar 2006 at 16:48, Bob Shell wrote: I think Pentax made the right choice. It would probably have harmed them in the long term if they had come out with a very expensive DSLR that produced mediocre images. What a pity, a sad tale indeed regardless of the catalysts that precipitated

Re: Some more new camera speculation

2006-03-01 Thread Rob Studdert
On 1 Mar 2006 at 17:01, John Francis wrote: You think Pentax screwed up. I think they took a risk, gambled on Philips being able to deliver the chip, and lost. In hindsight it looks like a bad decision, but presumably somebody thought the potential gain was worth taking the risk - after

Re: [Bulk] Re: Some more new camera speculation

2006-03-01 Thread K.Takeshita
On 3/01/06 5:26 PM, Rob Studdert, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 1 Mar 2006 at 10:24, K.Takeshita wrote: Adding to this, Kyocra actually approached Pentax for help when they (Kyocera) had been plagued by the noise problem (even at ISO100), as Pentax had solved it at the time. But Pentax

RE: Some more new camera speculation

2006-03-01 Thread Aaron Reynolds
camera speculation - Original Message - From: Jens Bladt Subject: RE: Some more new camera speculation Nop, but appr. 5mm more in each direction! That ought to count for something - 60% more, actually. It doesn't count as full frame, which I believe is what you were implying

Re: Some more new camera speculation

2006-03-01 Thread Shel Belinkoff
Larger sensors should be quieter, all else being equal. Rarely is all else equal. Shel [Original Message] From: Bob Shell Larger sensors should be quieter, yes, but excessive noise was the most serious problem with the Philips full frame chip.

Re: Some more new camera speculation

2006-03-01 Thread Tom C
From: Rob Studdert [EMAIL PROTECTED] What a pity, a sad tale indeed regardless of the catalysts that precipitated its demise. Yes, I think Pentax obviously made the right decision to not deliver the MZ-D, when the facts were known. They obviously made the wrong decision originally to go

RE: Some more new camera speculation

2006-03-01 Thread Tom C
Subject: RE: Some more new camera speculation Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 17:20:00 -0500 What are you talking about? A normal negative measures 55mm by 70mm! This 24mm by 36mm stuff goes in toy cameras. When is The Brotherhood getting their 67D, anyways? I'm tired of these eensie weensie

Re: Some more new camera speculation

2006-03-01 Thread Kevin Waterson
This one time, at band camp, Aaron Reynolds [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What are you talking about? A normal negative measures 55mm by 70mm! This 24mm by 36mm stuff goes in toy cameras. When is The Brotherhood getting their 67D, anyways? I'm tired of these eensie weensie thingamabobs. I

Re: Some more new camera speculation

2006-03-01 Thread Bob Shell
On Mar 1, 2006, at 6:09 PM, Rob Studdert wrote: I think Pentax made the right choice. It would probably have harmed them in the long term if they had come out with a very expensive DSLR that produced mediocre images. What a pity, a sad tale indeed regardless of the catalysts that

Re: Some more new camera speculation

2006-03-01 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Mar 1, 2006, at 10:01 AM, William Robb wrote: Nop, but appr. 5mm more in each direction! That ought to count for something - 60% more, actually. It doesn't count as full frame, which I believe is what you were implying in a previous post. I could be wrong about your intent though.

Re: Some more new camera speculation

2006-03-01 Thread Bob Sullivan
well be full frame! And what's with this 645D nonsense? That thing is a woman's camera. -Aaron p.s. come on, you knew he would be back one day. -Original Message- From: Jens Bladt [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subj: RE: Some more new camera speculation Date: Wed Mar 1, 2006 5:01 pm Size

Re: Some more new camera speculation

2006-03-01 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Mar 1, 2006, at 1:49 PM, Bob Shell wrote: Larger sensors are quieter, yes. There is a balance between noise, resolution density, sensitivity, power consumption, cost, etc etc etc, when designing a sensor. With the freedom to design a sensor to meet any specific need at will, why stick

Re: Some more new camera speculation

2006-03-01 Thread Rob Studdert
On 1 Mar 2006 at 15:32, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: I really wish someone would do the 21x28mm format I proposed with the sensor technology available now. I think it would be a very good balance in cost and quality. The FoV numbers are pretty nice too, with given lenses. Generally less

Re: Some more new camera speculation

2006-03-01 Thread John Forbes
On Wed, 01 Mar 2006 20:18:51 -, Tom C [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I guess in the end, I am reacting to the categorization of a negative opinion as whining. Just because it's an opinion that's at odds with anothers does not make it a whine... A short, high-pitched, sound is not a

Re: Some more new camera speculation

2006-03-01 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Mar 1, 2006, at 4:48 PM, Rob Studdert wrote: I really wish someone would do the 21x28mm format I proposed with the sensor technology available now. I think it would be a very good balance in cost and quality. The FoV numbers are pretty nice too, with given lenses. Generally less waste of

Re: Some more new camera speculation

2006-03-01 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Mar 1, 2006, at 4:16 PM, John Forbes wrote: A short, high-pitched, sound is not a whine. But it is when it goes on and on and on and... I think that should be in the 2006 PDML Quotes list too. ;-) Godfrey

Re: Some more new camera speculation

2006-03-01 Thread graywolf
No they do not. But I think that decision was based upon the company they sourced the sensor from going out of business, although Kodak said they were getting out of the professional digital camera business at the time. Remember Kodak is in a frenzy of self mutilation cutting off parts of

Re: Some more new camera speculation

2006-03-01 Thread David Savage
I don't. Dave On 3/2/06, Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 1, 2006, at 4:16 PM, John Forbes wrote: A short, high-pitched, sound is not a whine. But it is when it goes on and on and on and... I think that should be in the 2006 PDML Quotes list too. ;-) Godfrey

Re: Some more new camera speculation

2006-03-01 Thread graywolf
I agree with that 4:3 format. My Oly has it. It translates to a 10 x 7.5 inch print which gives a 1/2 inch border all around on 11 x 8.5 paper. That fits a standard 9.5 x 7.5 inch matte cutout nicely so I can just buy prematted frames. Also it uses the whole image making my 5mp camera equal to

Re: Some more new camera speculation

2006-03-01 Thread graywolf
--- William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: Tom C Subject: Re: Some more new camera speculation For me at least, I don't plan to throw any more money into Pentax. A lot of the photography I enjoy doing is night shots, including quite shortly

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