Re: New Adobe Camera RAW release a new lens I was not aware of...

2015-04-26 Thread Darren Addy
Exactly, Mr. Harley. My boss's father, the former CEO of his family of companies, often says that he would rather have $1 from 1 million people, than he would $1 million dollars from one person. It doesn't take a lot of deep reflection to figure out which is the better business model. Add to that

Re: New Adobe Camera RAW release a new lens I was not aware of...

2015-04-26 Thread steve harley
On 2015-04-24 23:45 , Bob W-PDML wrote: A better analogy is photocopying a book rather than buying it, and photocopying it is a lesser crime than stealing it. But still a crime. right, it's a license violation, not a theft i proposed a theory many years ago that Adobe purposely tolerated the

Re: New Adobe Camera RAW release a new lens I was not aware of...

2015-04-26 Thread Brian Walters
Quoting Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com: The thing I think we all worry about is how high the monthly subscription rate will go, particularly with a product that has virtually no competition like Photoshop. I'm not sure that there's no competition. For the Mac platform Serif's recent

Re: New Adobe Camera RAW release a new lens I was not aware of...

2015-04-25 Thread David Mann
On Apr 25, 2015, at 1:15 am, Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com wrote: I don't blame Adome for trying to stop piracy. But 99% of their responses make it a pain in the arse for us *legal* users and have NO EFFECT AT ALL on the pirates! In fact, the pirated versions of Photoshop, etc. are

Re: New Adobe Camera RAW release a new lens I was not aware of...

2015-04-25 Thread Bill
On 24/04/2015 11:45 PM, Bob W-PDML wrote: On 25 Apr 2015, at 01:03, Bill anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote: The thing is that the people who were using pirated copies of Photoshop, etc. were, for the most part, people who would never have bought it if they couldn't get it free –

Re: New Adobe Camera RAW release a new lens I was not aware of...

2015-04-24 Thread steve harley
On 2015-04-23 22:56 , Brian Walters wrote: I snaffled one of the preset macro Takumar's a few years ago. I've been trying it on my Q recently but it's too long for hand-holding on that format. i've got one that lives on my partner's micro-four thirds camera; it was her only lens for a while

Re: New Adobe Camera RAW release a new lens I was not aware of...

2015-04-24 Thread Mark Roberts
Bill anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote: If 85% or more of what you made was stolen from you, you'd be looking at ways to plug the leaks too. I don't blame Adome for trying to stop piracy. But 99% of their responses make it a pain in the arse for us *legal* users and have NO EFFECT AT ALL on the

Re: New Adobe Camera RAW release a new lens I was not aware of...

2015-04-24 Thread Bill
On 23/04/2015 11:58 PM, Brian Walters wrote: Quoting John sesso...@earthlink.net: Adobe are starting to be real ASSHOLES! Starting?? If 85% or more of what you made was stolen from you, you'd be looking at ways to plug the leaks too. I don't have any special love for Adobe, but we are where

Re: New Adobe Camera RAW release a new lens I was not aware of...

2015-04-24 Thread Rob Studdert
If their pricing structure for the previous non-cloud applications were reasonable over the years then they would likely have had far lower piracy rates and a significantly higher purchase volume. On 24 April 2015 at 23:15, Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com wrote: Bill

Re: New Adobe Camera RAW release a new lens I was not aware of...

2015-04-24 Thread Mark Roberts
Brian Walters wrote: Quoting Rob Studdert distudio.p...@gmail.com: If their pricing structure for the previous non-cloud applications were reasonable over the years then they would likely have had far lower piracy rates and a significantly higher purchase volume. Agreed. At least the CC

Re: New Adobe Camera RAW release a new lens I was not aware of...

2015-04-24 Thread Mark Roberts
Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: Hat's off to you: You folks are so much better complainers than I am. Don't be so hard on yourself. You're quite good at complaining about people complaining. :) -- Mark Roberts - Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List

Re: New Adobe Camera RAW release a new lens I was not aware of...

2015-04-24 Thread Bill
On 24/04/2015 4:08 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: Brian Walters wrote: Quoting Rob Studdert distudio.p...@gmail.com: If their pricing structure for the previous non-cloud applications were reasonable over the years then they would likely have had far lower piracy rates and a significantly higher

Re: New Adobe Camera RAW release a new lens I was not aware of...

2015-04-24 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
What I find on so many photography lists and forums is that whenever the manufacturers announce something new, people go out of their way to whine, bitch, and moan about the manufacturer, the new product, the old products, the prices, the policies, … whatever. Hat's off to you: You folks are

Re: New Adobe Camera RAW release a new lens I was not aware of...

2015-04-24 Thread Mark Roberts
Bill wrote: On 24/04/2015 4:08 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: The thing is that the people who were using pirated copies of Photoshop, etc. were, for the most part, people who would never have bought it if they couldn't get it free – professionals overwhelmingly buy their software legally. So no

Re: New Adobe Camera RAW release a new lens I was not aware of...

2015-04-24 Thread Mark Roberts
Here's another, and ironic, side effect: The typical person who gets a pirated version of Photoshop is someone who, if he couldn't have acquired an illegal copy of Photoshop, would probably have bought a cheaper image editor. Perhaps Photoshop Elements, but possibly Paint Shop Pro, Photo Paint or

Re: New Adobe Camera RAW release a new lens I was not aware of...

2015-04-24 Thread Matthew Hunt
On Fri, Apr 24, 2015 at 7:21 PM, Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com wrote: Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: Hat's off to you: You folks are so much better complainers than I am. Don't be so hard on yourself. You're quite good at complaining about people complaining. :) I've never met a

Re: New Adobe Camera RAW release a new lens I was not aware of...

2015-04-24 Thread Bob W-PDML
On 25 Apr 2015, at 01:03, Bill anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote: The thing is that the people who were using pirated copies of Photoshop, etc. were, for the most part, people who would never have bought it if they couldn't get it free – professionals overwhelmingly buy their software

Re: New Adobe Camera RAW release a new lens I was not aware of...

2015-04-24 Thread John
On 4/24/2015 6:08 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: Brian Walters wrote: Quoting Rob Studdert distudio.p...@gmail.com: If their pricing structure for the previous non-cloud applications were reasonable over the years then they would likely have had far lower piracy rates and a significantly higher

Re: New Adobe Camera RAW release a new lens I was not aware of...

2015-04-24 Thread Bruce Walker
On Fri, Apr 24, 2015 at 2:05 AM, Malcolm Smith rrve...@virginmedia.com wrote: Brian Walters wrote: Actually this is nothing new - I'm surprised they're even offering new camera support etc for CS6. They're really trying to move users to the CC world. I wouldn't be surprised if LR 6 is the

RE: New Adobe Camera RAW release a new lens I was not aware of...

2015-04-24 Thread Malcolm Smith
Brian Walters wrote: Actually this is nothing new - I'm surprised they're even offering new camera support etc for CS6. They're really trying to move users to the CC world. I wouldn't be surprised if LR 6 is the last stand-alone version. I'm surprised that LR 6 was offered as a stand-alone

Re: New Adobe Camera RAW release a new lens I was not aware of...

2015-04-24 Thread Brian Walters
Quoting Rob Studdert distudio.p...@gmail.com: If their pricing structure for the previous non-cloud applications were reasonable over the years then they would likely have had far lower piracy rates and a significantly higher purchase volume. Agreed. At least the CC Subscription price is

Re: New Adobe Camera RAW release a new lens I was not aware of...

2015-04-23 Thread Mark C
Interesting images. A few years ago I experimented with the DFA100 and the 1.7x TC and also found it to be a very good combination. The Kiron MC7 2x that I also tried was not as good. The 2:1 macro is very tempting but for me it falls between niches. I would like to use it in the field where

Re: New Adobe Camera RAW release a new lens I was not aware of...

2015-04-23 Thread steve harley
On 2015-04-22 19:42 , Mark Roberts wrote: All the 100mm f/2.8 macro lenses (A, F, FA and D-FA) did 1:1 magnification. As did the A 200/4.0 macro and the FA 200/4.0 Macro. and DA 35/2.8 Macro is also spec'd as 1:1 now i'm wondering which Pentax macro primes *aren't* 1:1 ? -- PDML

Re: New Adobe Camera RAW release a new lens I was not aware of...

2015-04-23 Thread Mark Roberts
steve harley wrote: On 2015-04-22 19:42 , Mark Roberts wrote: All the 100mm f/2.8 macro lenses (A, F, FA and D-FA) did 1:1 magnification. As did the A 200/4.0 macro and the FA 200/4.0 Macro. and DA 35/2.8 Macro is also spec'd as 1:1 now i'm wondering which Pentax macro primes *aren't* 1:1 ?

Re: New Adobe Camera RAW release a new lens I was not aware of...

2015-04-23 Thread Darren Addy
All 50mm f/4 ones, except the preset Macro Takumar. Also Pentax-M 100mm macro and earlier Pentax 100mm f/4 macros (M, K, Takumar). Most of your other brand 90mm f2.5 macros will also only do 1:2. Some had a separate 1:1 matched extender that would get you there. The famous Vivitar Series 1 Bokina

Re: New Adobe Camera RAW release a new lens I was not aware of...

2015-04-23 Thread John
Adobe are starting to be real ASSHOLES! : As mentioned here, updates to Camera Raw for Photoshop CS6 only include : new camera support, lens profile support, and bug fixes. The new : features listed in the release notes are only available in Photoshop CC. On 4/22/2015 6:00 PM, Darren Addy

Re: New Adobe Camera RAW release a new lens I was not aware of...

2015-04-23 Thread Brian Walters
Quoting John sesso...@earthlink.net: Adobe are starting to be real ASSHOLES! Starting?? Actually this is nothing new - I'm surprised they're even offering new camera support etc for CS6. They're really trying to move users to the CC world. I wouldn't be surprised if LR 6 is the last

Re: New Adobe Camera RAW release a new lens I was not aware of...

2015-04-23 Thread Brian Walters
Quoting Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com: All 50mm f/4 ones, except the preset Macro Takumar. Also Pentax-M 100mm macro and earlier Pentax 100mm f/4 macros (M, K, Takumar). Most of your other brand 90mm f2.5 macros will also only do 1:2. Some had a separate 1:1 matched extender that would

Re: New Adobe Camera RAW release a new lens I was not aware of...

2015-04-23 Thread Mark C
Yep - those two plus the FA 100 f3.5 macro, though I think it had an optional converter (maybe ust an extension tube) that would allow it to go to 1:1. (Not sure if infinity focus was sacrificed when the converter was used.) Mark On 4/23/2015 6:29 PM, Darren Addy wrote: All 50mm f/4 ones,

Re: New Adobe Camera RAW release a new lens I was not aware of...

2015-04-22 Thread Darren Addy
Thank Marks. I stand corrected. On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 8:42 PM, Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com wrote: Mark C wrote: Not quite following you on the ratios... I've long thought that 1:1 means the image on the sensor is the same size as in real life, 2:1 means 2x lifesized. Did the

Re: New Adobe Camera RAW release a new lens I was not aware of...

2015-04-22 Thread Igor PDML-StR
It is indeed a rather interesting lens. Thanks for posting the info. As for 2:1, I am thinking about how often it gets practical (for me). I've used the D-FA 100/2.8 with 1.7x for a few things like a fruit-fly caught by a spider, etc. I know that when I tried to stack 2x on top of that it was

Re: New Adobe Camera RAW release a new lens I was not aware of...

2015-04-22 Thread Darren Addy
oops. i think i've been corrected on that before forgot about that one. No you are correct, the Macro Takumar would be the same as that one. But the Venus is twice life size. On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 7:02 PM, Mark C pdml-m...@charter.net wrote: Not quite following you on the ratios... I've long

Re: New Adobe Camera RAW release a new lens I was not aware of...

2015-04-22 Thread Mark Roberts
Mark C wrote: Not quite following you on the ratios... I've long thought that 1:1 means the image on the sensor is the same size as in real life, 2:1 means 2x lifesized. Did the Macro Takumar achieve greater magnification that say, the DFA 50mm macro (which Pentax specs as a 1:1 lens)? All

Re: New Adobe Camera RAW release a new lens I was not aware of...

2015-04-22 Thread Mark C
Not quite following you on the ratios... I've long thought that 1:1 means the image on the sensor is the same size as in real life, 2:1 means 2x lifesized. Did the Macro Takumar achieve greater magnification that say, the DFA 50mm macro (which Pentax specs as a 1:1 lens)? On 4/22/2015 6:54

Re: New Adobe Camera RAW release a new lens I was not aware of...

2015-04-22 Thread Darren Addy
Tempting indeed. I think that all PK users should get one before the realize that the cool kids don't make their lenses in a PK mount. Reading about it, it is also funny how many people think that 1:2 is the same as 2:1. Pentax made only one macro lens that does 1:1 and that was the old preset

Re: New Adobe Camera RAW release a new lens I was not aware of...

2015-04-22 Thread Darren Addy
There is a Flickr group for this lens with 179 images: https://www.flickr.com/groups/venus_macro/ On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 5:00 PM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote: Thought this might be of interest on multiple counts... I saw that a new ACR was released and scanned the new lenses

Re: New Adobe Camera RAW release a new lens I was not aware of...

2015-04-22 Thread Mark C
I recall reading about that lens here on the PDML a few weeks ago. It is indeed tempting. Mark On 4/22/2015 6:00 PM, Darren Addy wrote: Thought this might be of interest on multiple counts... I saw that a new ACR was released and scanned the new lenses supported looking for Pentax: