Re: Quick survey

2024-06-24 Thread Larry Colen
Thanks Mark, that is good information. > On Jun 24, 2024, at 10:14 AM, Mark Roberts wrote: > > I shoot DNG exclusively (though I usually run the files through DNG > Converter when downloading because I can have it do file renaming at > the same time and it gets me to the latest spec DNG)

Re: Quick survey

2024-06-24 Thread Mark Roberts
I shoot DNG exclusively (though I usually run the files through DNG Converter when downloading because I can have it do file renaming at the same time and it gets me to the latest spec DNG) for 3 reasons, in increasing order of importance: 1 - Files are smaller than PEF 2 - The open format of

RE: Quick survey

2024-06-24 Thread pkn291262
I shoot DNG - never did a comparison so do not know which is better. Just assumed it is the same. Patrick -Original Message- From: Paul Sorenson Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2024 5:47 PM To: pdml@pdml.net Subject: Quick survey Do you shoot your RAW files as DNGs or PEFs? Have you found one

Re: Quick survey

2024-06-23 Thread John Francis
On Sun, Jun 23, 2024 at 10:33:10PM +0200, Henk Terhell wrote: > That's true, I recall now that I did use PEF on my *istD, but also a lot of > JPEG and TIFF. > My next camera was the K10D and I always had it on DNG. That was exactly the course I took (well, JPEG+DNG). I continued doing this when

Re: Quick survey

2024-06-23 Thread Paul Sorenson
Thanks everyone, for your responses.  The question came up in another forum which has few Pentax users so I thought I'd poll the group of "real" Pentax users.  With few exceptions, DNG has been my format of choice since my DS days as well. -p On 6/23/2024 10:46 AM, Paul Sorenson wrote: Do

Re: Quick survey

2024-06-23 Thread Alan C
Yes. My K110D only offers PEF. When I occasionally use it, I convert to DNG which is the universal standard. Alan C On 23-Jun-24 10:33 PM, Henk Terhell wrote: That's true, I recall now that I did use PEF on my *istD, but also a lot of JPEG and TIFF. My next camera was the K10D and I always

Re: Quick survey

2024-06-23 Thread Matthew Hunt
I shoot PEF, and convert to DNG on import with Lightroom ("Copy as DNG"). The reason I do this is that when Lightroom does the conversion, it embeds a checksum that can later be used with "Library > Validate DNG Files" to verify that no disk corruption has occurred. At least at the time I decided

Re: Quick survey

2024-06-23 Thread John Sessoms
The *ist-D allowed you to save as PEF, TIF or JPG. Herbert Kepler recommended TIF in his Popular Photography column, so that's what I shot in 2004. IIRC, the TIF was available in small, medium & large, which I didn't understand at the time. After I got home in 2005 & could buy more CF cards

Re: Quick survey

2024-06-23 Thread John Sessoms
DNG On 6/23/2024 11:46 AM, Paul Sorenson wrote: Do you shoot your RAW files as DNGs or PEFs?  Have you found one gives you better results or is a better choice than the other? -p -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from

Re: Quick survey

2024-06-23 Thread Henk Terhell
That's true, I recall now that I did use PEF on my *istD, but also a lot of JPEG and TIFF. My next camera was the K10D and I always had it on DNG. Henk Op 2024-06-23 om 21:25 schreef Ralf R Radermacher: Am 23.06.24 um 21:06 schrieb Henk Terhell: Always DNG, never tried PEF. No doubt the

Re: Quick survey

2024-06-23 Thread mike wilson
PEF. Because Adobe. > On 23/06/2024 16:46 BST Paul Sorenson wrote: > > > Do you shoot your RAW files as DNGs or PEFs?  Have you found one gives > you better results or is a better choice than the other? > -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to

Re: Quick survey

2024-06-23 Thread Ralf R Radermacher
Am 23.06.24 um 21:06 schrieb Henk Terhell: Always DNG, never tried PEF. No doubt the future for Adobe's DNG is more bright than for PEF. The earliest Pentax DSLRs up to the *istDS had no DNG. The K10D was the first to offer DNG. Ralf -- Ralf R. Radermacher - Köln/Cologne, Germany Blog :

Re: Quick survey

2024-06-23 Thread Henk Terhell
Always DNG, never tried PEF. No doubt the future for Adobe's DNG is more bright than for PEF. Henk Op 2024-06-23 om 17:46 schreef Paul Sorenson: Do you shoot your RAW files as DNGs or PEFs?  Have you found one gives you better results or is a better choice than the other? -p -- %(real_name)s

Re: Quick survey

2024-06-23 Thread Ralf R Radermacher
Am 23.06.24 um 17:46 schrieb Paul Sorenson: Do you shoot your RAW files as DNGs or PEFs?  Have you found one gives you better results or is a better choice than the other? DNG. No difference in picture quality but I suppose it might be a bit more future-proof. Then again, how much of a future

Re: Quick survey

2024-06-23 Thread Comcast
DNG. The results and the process are identical in my experience. Paul > On Jun 23, 2024, at 1:36 PM, ann sanfedele wrote: > > what all those other guys said :-) > (aside to Paul - I noticed my first response only went to you.. when no one > said "what ann said" ) > > ann > >> On 6/23/2024

Re: Quick survey

2024-06-23 Thread Stan Halpin
What Ann said. Sent from my iPad > On Jun 23, 2024, at 1:35 PM, ann sanfedele wrote: > > what all those other guys said :-) > (aside to Paul - I noticed my first response only went to you.. when no one > said "what ann said" ) > > ann > >> On 6/23/2024 11:46 AM, Paul Sorenson wrote: >> Do

Re: Quick survey

2024-06-23 Thread ann sanfedele
what all those other guys said  :-) (aside to Paul  - I noticed my first response only went to you.. when no one said "what ann said" ) ann On 6/23/2024 11:46 AM, Paul Sorenson wrote: Do you shoot your RAW files as DNGs or PEFs?  Have you found one gives you better results or is a better

Re: Quick survey

2024-06-23 Thread Doug Brewer
What Larry said. On 6/23/24 12:24 PM, l...@red4est.com wrote: I shoot them as dng. No difference in quality, but dng seems to be a more common standard On June 23, 2024 8:46:40 AM PDT, Paul Sorenson wrote: Do you shoot your RAW files as DNGs or PEFs?  Have you found one gives you better

Re: Quick survey

2024-06-23 Thread Rick Womer
What Larry said. Rick On Sun, Jun 23, 2024 at 12:33 wrote: > I shoot them as dng. No difference in quality, but dng seems to be a more > common standard > > On June 23, 2024 8:46:40 AM PDT, Paul Sorenson > wrote: > >Do you shoot your RAW files as DNGs or PEFs? Have you found one gives > you

Re: Quick survey

2024-06-23 Thread lrc
I shoot them as dng. No difference in quality, but dng seems to be a more common standard On June 23, 2024 8:46:40 AM PDT, Paul Sorenson wrote: >Do you shoot your RAW files as DNGs or PEFs?  Have you found one gives you >better results or is a better choice than the other? > >-p >--

Re: OT Photographic survey of New York

2018-12-31 Thread Stanley Halpin
Thanks for the story link Dan, I had missed this. The Times presentation is a then-and-now story. What I would like to know is how I can find and retrieve the shot of my mother-in-law’s family residence on 42nd St… I found and viewed the location a few years ago via Google Street View but the

OT Photographic survey of New York

2018-12-29 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
In the late 1930s and early 1940s, New York City sent photographers to every building in every borough in an attempt to make property tax assessments fairer and more accurate. The result was more than 700,000 black-and-white snapshots of everything from fashionable apartment buildings in

Re: RICOH and PENTAX Survey

2015-08-20 Thread P.J. Alling
... On 8/20/2015 12:13 PM, Dario Bonazza wrote: Looks like they want to know why the K-S2 does not sell. Cheers, Dario -Messaggio originale- From: Jostein Øksne Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2015 6:06 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: RICOH and PENTAX Survey Could be worthwhile

Re: RICOH and PENTAX Survey

2015-08-20 Thread Dario Bonazza
Yes, I also think so. No street, no shows (concerts, dance and the like)... my photography is not there. Dario -Messaggio originale- From: Mark Roberts Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2015 6:28 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: RICOH and PENTAX Survey Daniel J. Matyola wrote

Re: RICOH and PENTAX Survey

2015-08-20 Thread Mark Roberts
ann sanfedele wrote: Why do I think that reading the survey will raise my blood pressure? Experience. -- Mark Roberts - Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML

Re: RICOH and PENTAX Survey

2015-08-20 Thread Bill
On 20/08/2015 10:51 AM, Matthew Hunt wrote: On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 12:13 PM, Dario Bonazza dario.bona...@virgilio.it wrote: Looks like they want to know why the K-S2 does not sell. Another possibility is that the survey is not really intended to collect information, but to promote

Re: RICOH and PENTAX Survey

2015-08-20 Thread Mark Roberts
Matthew Hunt wrote: On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 12:13 PM, Dario Bonazza dario.bona...@virgilio.it wrote: Looks like they want to know why the K-S2 does not sell. Another possibility is that the survey is not really intended to collect information, but to promote the camera. Everyone who took

Re: RICOH and PENTAX Survey

2015-08-20 Thread mike wilson
On 20 August 2015 at 18:26, Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com wrote: Matthew Hunt wrote: On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 12:13 PM, Dario Bonazza dario.bona...@virgilio.it wrote: Looks like they want to know why the K-S2 does not sell. Another possibility is that the survey is not really

Re: RICOH and PENTAX Survey

2015-08-20 Thread Mark Roberts
to know why the K-S2 does not sell. Another possibility is that the survey is not really intended to collect information, but to promote the camera. Everyone who took the survey sat there and read a list of all the great features on the K-S2. Good point. 10. Which of the following features

Re: RICOH and PENTAX Survey

2015-08-20 Thread Bob W-PDML
does not sell. Another possibility is that the survey is not really intended to collect information, but to promote the camera. Everyone who took the survey sat there and read a list of all the great features on the K-S2. Good point. 10. Which of the following features were you

Re: RICOH and PENTAX Survey

2015-08-20 Thread John
It's over in my inbox, but I thought I'd read through PDML before looking at it. On 8/20/2015 11:00 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: I received this from RICOH a few minutes ago I think every member of the PDML should fill out the survey: http://us11.campaign-archive2.com/?u

Re: RICOH and PENTAX Survey

2015-08-20 Thread John
On 8/20/2015 1:26 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: Matthew Hunt wrote: On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 12:13 PM, Dario Bonazza dario.bona...@virgilio.it wrote: Looks like they want to know why the K-S2 does not sell. Another possibility is that the survey is not really intended to collect information

Re: RICOH and PENTAX Survey

2015-08-20 Thread John
: Looks like they want to know why the K-S2 does not sell. Another possibility is that the survey is not really intended to collect information, but to promote the camera. Everyone who took the survey sat there and read a list of all the great features on the K-S2. Good point. 10. Which

Re: RICOH and PENTAX Survey

2015-08-20 Thread mike wilson
...@virgilio.it wrote: Looks like they want to know why the K-S2 does not sell. Another possibility is that the survey is not really intended to collect information, but to promote the camera. Everyone who took the survey sat there and read a list of all the great features on the K-S2. Good

RICOH and PENTAX Survey

2015-08-20 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
I received this from RICOH a few minutes ago I think every member of the PDML should fill out the survey: http://us11.campaign-archive2.com/?u=1a5ea189236f5a8427a9c85e9id=a55e90809ce=f74381a17a Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML

Re: RICOH and PENTAX Survey

2015-08-20 Thread Dario Bonazza
Yeah, and a cubeflash socket. Dario -Messaggio originale- From: Mark Roberts Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2015 8:29 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: RICOH and PENTAX Survey Bob W-PDML wrote: On 20 Aug 2015, at 19:16, mike wilson m.9.wil...@ntlworld.com wrote: On 20

Re: RICOH and PENTAX Survey

2015-08-20 Thread Bob W-PDML
Hunt wrote: On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 12:13 PM, Dario Bonazza dario.bona...@virgilio.it wrote: Looks like they want to know why the K-S2 does not sell. Another possibility is that the survey is not really intended to collect information, but to promote the camera. Everyone who took

Re: RICOH and PENTAX Survey

2015-08-20 Thread P.J. Alling
Survey Could be worthwhile for American members. :-) Jostein Den 20. august 2015 17.00.42 CEST, skrev Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com: I received this from RICOH a few minutes ago I think every member of the PDML should fill out the survey: http://us11.campaign-archive2.com/?u

Re: RICOH and PENTAX Survey

2015-08-20 Thread Matthew Hunt
On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 12:13 PM, Dario Bonazza dario.bona...@virgilio.it wrote: Looks like they want to know why the K-S2 does not sell. Another possibility is that the survey is not really intended to collect information, but to promote the camera. Everyone who took the survey sat

Re: RICOH and PENTAX Survey

2015-08-20 Thread Jostein Øksne
Could be worthwhile for American members. :-) Jostein Den 20. august 2015 17.00.42 CEST, skrev Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com: I received this from RICOH a few minutes ago I think every member of the PDML should fill out the survey: http://us11.campaign-archive2.com/?u

Re: RICOH and PENTAX Survey

2015-08-20 Thread Dario Bonazza
Looks like they want to know why the K-S2 does not sell. Cheers, Dario -Messaggio originale- From: Jostein Øksne Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2015 6:06 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: RICOH and PENTAX Survey Could be worthwhile for American members. :-) Jostein Den 20

Re: RICOH and PENTAX Survey

2015-08-20 Thread Mark Roberts
Daniel J. Matyola wrote: I received this from RICOH a few minutes ago I think every member of the PDML should fill out the survey: http://us11.campaign-archive2.com/?u=1a5ea189236f5a8427a9c85e9id=a55e90809ce=f74381a17a Looks like that survey was put together by someone who doesn't know much

Re: RICOH and PENTAX Survey

2015-08-20 Thread ann sanfedele
Why do I think that reading the survey will raise my blood pressure? ann (former mkt research consumer research tabulator) On 8/20/2015 5:54 PM, Bob W-PDML wrote: On 20 Aug 2015, at 22:02, mike wilson m.9.wil...@ntlworld.com wrote: On 20 August 2015 at 19:21, Bob W-PDML p...@web

Re: Which second party camera system do you like? Mini-survey

2013-09-18 Thread Eactivist
Ooops, haven't looked in for a week and didn't realize this thread went on longer. Very tempted by the GX7, but it is pricey. My preference is not to be an early adopter, but buy a camera after it's been out for a while. And gone down in price. Or you can get it used. Whatever. I now have

Re: Which second party camera system do you like? Mini-survey

2013-09-18 Thread Eactivist
Yup. I mean, I haven't learned metric at all (as an example). So this old dog (female variety) has a hard time learning new tricks. Heh. I understand, to some degree, Godfrey's point too. But until someone said crop factor of 2x vs 1.5x I thought all the m4/3 lenses I saw were wide angle

Re: Which second party camera system do you like? Mini-survey

2013-09-18 Thread Eactivist
Thanks, Cotty. M aka D In a message dated 9/11/2013 9:34:20 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, co...@seeingeye.tv writes: Hi Marnie, Was browsing and came across this interesting little article. Caveat: it was written over 9 months ago so I don't know if updated firmware is available.

Re: Which second party camera system do you like? Mini-survey

2013-09-18 Thread Eactivist
V-e-r-y interesting. I wouldn't have guessed. M aka D In a message dated 9/11/2013 10:35:35 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, bori...@gmail.com writes: On 9/11/2013 6:31 PM, Tom C wrote: For those of us with older eyes, the modern EVF's almost feel like a new pair of glasses. Mine are not

Re: Which second party camera system do you like? Mini-survey

2013-09-18 Thread John
What you need to know about the metric system isn't all that hard to learn. Five miles = eight kilometers, so 25mph is 40kmph. A quart of milk is .946 liters (or so it says on the label). All the other nutrition information on the label has been listed in grams since some time back in the 70s

Re: Which second party camera system do you like? Mini-survey

2013-09-18 Thread Eactivist
Heh. M aka D :-) In a message dated 9/18/2013 3:57:32 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, johnsess...@yahoo.com writes: What you need to know about the metric system isn't all that hard to learn. Five miles = eight kilometers, so 25mph is 40kmph. A quart of milk is .946 liters (or so it says on

Re: Which second party camera system do you like? Mini-survey

2013-09-13 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Sep 12, 2013, at 10:15 PM, Aahz Maruch a...@pobox.com wrote: Exactly! Therefore anyone who isn't already invested in Leica will have little to zero interest in that module. Lacking an AF replaceable lens module severely limits the market for the GXR. If it had a built-in EVF, the

Re: Which second party camera system do you like? Mini-survey

2013-09-13 Thread Aahz Maruch
On Thu, Sep 12, 2013, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: On Sep 12, 2013, at 10:15 PM, Aahz Maruch a...@pobox.com wrote: Exactly! Therefore anyone who isn't already invested in Leica will have little to zero interest in that module. Lacking an AF replaceable lens module severely limits the market for

Re: Which second party camera system do you like? Mini-survey

2013-09-13 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Sep 13, 2013, at 7:02 AM, Aahz Maruch a...@pobox.com wrote: Sure, from the standpoint of, again, existing Leica owners. There are a lot of them. And many new Leica lens owners who came in because the GXR made it accessible financially. Many of whom might eventually buy a Leica M body.

Re: Which second party camera system do you like? Mini-survey

2013-09-13 Thread Boris Liberman
On 9/13/2013 5:02 PM, Aahz Maruch wrote: Sure, from the standpoint of, again, existing Leica owners. But Boris is pushing the GXR for people who are not already in that group, that's where the market is limited, and I don't understand why he's pushing it so hard, especially in a thread where

Re: Which second party camera system do you like? Mini-survey

2013-09-12 Thread Aahz Maruch
On Wed, Sep 11, 2013, Bruce wrote: You guys are making me think I should go down to the store and take a look at these new EVF's. Another question I have is in regards to sports shooting - any lag as you pan the camera following the action? There will always be some -- consider what happens

Re: Which second party camera system do you like? Mini-survey

2013-09-12 Thread P.J. Alling
On 9/9/2013 5:25 PM, Doug Brewer wrote: On 9/8/13 3:19 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: On Sep 7, 2013, at 9:43 PM, Aahz Maruch a...@pobox.com wrote: Sure, but there's nothing like the 8mm fisheye you can get for APS-C for 12mm/e. For most purposes, you're correct that's sufficient, but people

Re: Which second party camera system do you like? Mini-survey

2013-09-12 Thread P.J. Alling
08, 2013 7:12 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Which second party camera system do you like? Mini-survey With rectilinear lenses doing format translations is easy. AOV is AOV, but Fisheye lenses make hash those kinds of comparisons. I have a Pentax 17mm fisheye, and an old 12mm semi

Re: Which second party camera system do you like? Mini-survey

2013-09-12 Thread Darren Addy
Just to go back to EVF's for a moment. I find it interesting that the Pentax X-5 sports Pentax's first EVF in a long while (frankly, I read that somewhere, but don't know WHAT the previous Pentax EVF product even was). The X-5 also sports an articulating LCD screen. If I were prognosticating, I

Re: Which second party camera system do you like? Mini-survey

2013-09-12 Thread Aahz Maruch
On Thu, Sep 12, 2013, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: On Sep 12, 2013, at 8:33 AM, Aahz Maruch a...@pobox.com wrote: I wanted a camera, not LEGO. Hasselblads have a similar level of system modularity, as do several other high-end medium format SLR and technical cameras. It's quite a sophisticated

Re: Which second party camera system do you like? Mini-survey

2013-09-12 Thread Aahz Maruch
On Wed, Sep 11, 2013, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: [...] With any combination of body and camera/mount unit, you can also add an EVF (Ricoh VF-2), use the LCD, or fit an optical viewfinder of your choice. What does this system gain you over a K5 II? Mostly size and flexibility of

Re: Which second party camera system do you like? Mini-survey

2013-09-12 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Sep 12, 2013, at 12:21 PM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: I bought both my FA31 and my FA77 back when I had the K100. They are wonderful lenses, but I'm very glad that I'm not stuck with the sensor performance that was available six years ago. You will note that Hasselblads decouple

Re: Which second party camera system do you like? Mini-survey

2013-09-12 Thread John
On 9/11/2013 10:08 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: My favorite second party camera is my iphone5. It's all I need in a compact camera. I've even done some work for the Times with it when circumstances required that. Paul via phone Several years ago, the owner of one of the local camera stores told

Re: Which second party camera system do you like? Mini-survey

2013-09-12 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Sep 12, 2013, at 12:21 PM, Aahz Maruch a...@pobox.com wrote: On Thu, Sep 12, 2013, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: On Sep 12, 2013, at 8:33 AM, Aahz Maruch a...@pobox.com wrote: I wanted a camera, not LEGO. Hasselblads have a similar level of system modularity, as do several other high-end

Re: Which second party camera system do you like? Mini-survey

2013-09-12 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Sep 12, 2013, at 8:33 AM, Aahz Maruch a...@pobox.com wrote: I wanted a camera, not LEGO. Hasselblads have a similar level of system modularity, as do several other high-end medium format SLR and technical cameras. It's quite a sophisticated concept for a compact camera system, rarely seen

Re: Which second party camera system do you like? Mini-survey

2013-09-12 Thread Larry Colen
On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 10:05:37AM -0700, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: On Sep 12, 2013, at 8:33 AM, Aahz Maruch a...@pobox.com wrote: I wanted a camera, not LEGO. Hasselblads have a similar level of system modularity, as do several other high-end medium format SLR and technical cameras.

Re: Which second party camera system do you like? Mini-survey

2013-09-12 Thread John
On 9/11/2013 4:19 PM, Aahz Maruch wrote: On Wed, Sep 11, 2013, John wrote: Every piece of Sony consumer electronics equipment I have ever owned failed had to be replaced exactly one day after the warranty expired. Timex bought Sony??? I dunno. I have a decade old Timex watch I keep as a

Re: Which second party camera system do you like? Mini-survey

2013-09-12 Thread Joseph McAllister
On Sep 12, 2013, at 16:20 , Bruce Walker wrote: He can't think he's good at *all* things or he'd be on this list. MARK! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow

Re: Which second party camera system do you like? Mini-survey

2013-09-12 Thread Bruce Walker
On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 4:34 PM, P.J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote: On 9/9/2013 5:25 PM, Doug Brewer wrote: On 9/8/13 3:19 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: On Sep 7, 2013, at 9:43 PM, Aahz Maruch a...@pobox.com wrote: Sure, but there's nothing like the 8mm fisheye you can get for

Re: Which second party camera system do you like? Mini-survey

2013-09-12 Thread Boris Liberman
On 9/12/2013 10:21 PM, Aahz Maruch wrote: Yes, particularly given the wastage for the benefit of modularity, and double particularly given the lack of support for auto-focus of non-module lenses. But I'd still consider one if it had a built-in EVF, which is why I put my comment in quotes to

Re: Which second party camera system do you like? Mini-survey

2013-09-12 Thread Aahz Maruch
On Fri, Sep 13, 2013, Boris Liberman wrote: On 9/12/2013 10:21 PM, Aahz Maruch wrote: Yes, particularly given the wastage for the benefit of modularity, and double particularly given the lack of support for auto-focus of non-module lenses. But I'd still consider one if it had a built-in EVF,

Re: Which second party camera system do you like? Mini-survey

2013-09-12 Thread Boris Liberman
Well, as long as you agree that you're missing mine, I'l agree to be missing yours :-). I should admit that at least a year before I bought into this system I was sitting on the fence. And boy, I was wrong. This system is brilliant. As for marketing - I think Ricoh missed the opportunity to

Re: Which second party camera system do you like? Mini-survey

2013-09-11 Thread Darren Addy
I will say that a while back the one brand that had my attention was Sony. Pentax made a huge leap when they adopted Sony Exmor sensors, and Sony gives itself an edge in the sensor department. They also had fairly reasonably priced full frame options and the internal shake reduction that I

Re: Which second party camera system do you like? Mini-survey

2013-09-11 Thread Boris Liberman
On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 2:21 PM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote: ... I'm not a big fan of composing on the LCD and have yet to actually try an electronic viewfinder. You may be very pleasantly surprised on both counts here. I don't easily recall when I last used my K-5 and I totally

Re: Which second party camera system do you like? Mini-survey

2013-09-11 Thread Tom C
On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 2:21 PM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote: ... I'm not a big fan of composing on the LCD and have yet to actually try an electronic viewfinder. Well, silly Darren, one composes with an LCD or electronic viewfinder exactly the same way one does with an optical

Re: Which second party camera system do you like? Mini-survey

2013-09-11 Thread Bob Sullivan
Years ago somebody bought a digital PS with a digital viewfinder. I was instantly turned off by the lines on the screen. Tell me it's better now??? Regards, Bob S. On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 7:34 AM, Tom C caka...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 2:21 PM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com

Re: Which second party camera system do you like? Mini-survey

2013-09-11 Thread Boris Liberman
Far better, Bob. Far better. On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 3:47 PM, Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com wrote: Years ago somebody bought a digital PS with a digital viewfinder. I was instantly turned off by the lines on the screen. Tell me it's better now??? Regards, Bob S. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss

Re: Which second party camera system do you like? Mini-survey

2013-09-11 Thread Tom C
Years ago somebody bought a digital PS with a digital viewfinder. I was instantly turned off by the lines on the screen. Tell me it's better now??? Regards, Bob S. Hi Bob, You answered part of it yourself. :) This is today, that was years ago. No lines. I was mildly blown away by the IQ of

Re: Which second party camera system do you like? Mini-survey

2013-09-11 Thread Tom C
Well not really looking through... looking at. Tom C. On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 7:15 AM, Tom C caka...@gmail.com wrote: Years ago somebody bought a digital PS with a digital viewfinder. I was instantly turned off by the lines on the screen. Tell me it's better now??? Regards, Bob S. Hi Bob,

Re: Which second party camera system do you like? Mini-survey

2013-09-11 Thread Kenneth Waller
capture - giving you the image that occurred after the one you wanted. Does this delay still exist in modern EVFs? -Original Message- From: Tom C caka...@gmail.com Subject: Re: Which second party camera system do you like? Mini-survey Years ago somebody bought a digital PS with a digital

Re: Which second party camera system do you like? Mini-survey

2013-09-11 Thread Boris Liberman
. Does this delay still exist in modern EVFs? -Original Message- From: Tom C caka...@gmail.com Subject: Re: Which second party camera system do you like? Mini-survey Years ago somebody bought a digital PS with a digital viewfinder. I was instantly turned off by the lines on the screen

Re: Which second party camera system do you like? Mini-survey

2013-09-11 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
The modern EVF cameras have reduced lag to almost non-existent. My older EVF cameras - Sony F707/F717/F828/R1, Olympus 8080WZ, Panasonic FZ10, Minolta A2 - were fairly pathetic on viewfinder responsiveness and resolution. I used the viewfinder primarily as a targeting device. I remember the

Re: Which second party camera system do you like? Mini-survey

2013-09-11 Thread Tom C
On Sep 11, 2013, at 7:14 AM, Kenneth Waller kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote: I used a Nikon Coolpix 5700 with an EVF, for evidence photography, years ago and in my opinion it was a great camera for static image capture but wasn't one to use for any sort of dynamic capture - there was a noticeable

Re: Which second party camera system do you like? Mini-survey

2013-09-11 Thread Aahz Maruch
On Wed, Sep 11, 2013, Boris Liberman wrote: On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 2:21 PM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote: ... I'm not a big fan of composing on the LCD and have yet to actually try an electronic viewfinder. You may be very pleasantly surprised on both counts here. I don't

Re: Which second party camera system do you like? Mini-survey

2013-09-11 Thread Bruce
You guys are making me think I should go down to the store and take a look at these new EVF's. Another question I have is in regards to sports shooting - any lag as you pan the camera following the action? -- Bruce Sent from my iPad On Sep 11, 2013, at 8:31 AM, Tom C caka...@gmail.com wrote:

Re: Which second party camera system do you like? Mini-survey

2013-09-11 Thread Aahz Maruch
On Wed, Sep 11, 2013, Darren Addy wrote: But if you asked me the brand that appears most likely to be my 2nd choice, should it ever come to that, I would say Sony. Their NEX cameras are pretty clearly the best mirrorless option out there, IQ-wise, but I'm not a big fan of composing on the LCD

Re: Which second party camera system do you like? Mini-survey

2013-09-11 Thread Steve Cottrell
Hi Marnie, Was browsing and came across this interesting little article. Caveat: it was written over 9 months ago so I don't know if updated firmware is available. http://photomojomike.com/2012/11/21/fujifilm-x-e1-first-impressions/ I'm V interested in the X-E1, hence my post. -- Cheers,

Re: Which second party camera system do you like? Mini-survey

2013-09-11 Thread Tom C
Bruce wrote: You guys are making me think I should go down to the store and take a look at these new EVF's. Another question I have is in regards to sports shooting - any lag as you pan the camera following the action? I don't shoot sports but I wouldn't think so. I pan with the NEX-7 just

Re: Which second party camera system do you like? Mini-survey

2013-09-11 Thread Mark Roberts
Mike Johnston just reported on rumors that next month will see the announcement of an interchangeable-lens sibling to the full-frame Sony RX-1. Food for thought. And not long to wait to see if it's true. -- Mark Roberts - Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss

Re: Which second party camera system do you like? Mini-survey

2013-09-11 Thread Aahz Maruch
On Wed, Sep 11, 2013, Steve Cottrell wrote: Was browsing and came across this interesting little article. Caveat: it was written over 9 months ago so I don't know if updated firmware is available. http://photomojomike.com/2012/11/21/fujifilm-x-e1-first-impressions/ Given Marnie's interest

Re: Which second party camera system do you like? Mini-survey

2013-09-11 Thread Boris Liberman
On 9/11/2013 6:31 PM, Tom C wrote: For those of us with older eyes, the modern EVF's almost feel like a new pair of glasses. Mine are not older but weaker and I totally second that. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE

Re: Which second party camera system do you like? Mini-survey

2013-09-11 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
The latest generation of EVF cameras have substantially reduced the tendency to tearing and jitter with camera motion—it's down to almost none now, and is certainly very usable for my needs. But it is still one area where a good reflex viewfinder has an advantage. Likewise C-AF tracking

Re: Which second party camera system do you like? Mini-survey

2013-09-11 Thread Steve Cottrell
Perhaps of more interest: http://www.stevehuffphoto.com/tag/fuji/ -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__Broadcast, Corporate, || (O) |Web Video Production --www.seeingeye.tv _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: Which second party camera system do you like? Mini-survey

2013-09-11 Thread Tom C
From: Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com Mike Johnston just reported on rumors that next month will see the announcement of an interchangeable-lens sibling to the full-frame Sony RX-1. Food for thought. And not long to wait to see if it's true. My opinion only... As nice as that

Re: Which second party camera system do you like? Mini-survey

2013-09-11 Thread steve harley
on 2013-09-11 7:15 Tom C wrote Take a look through a NEX-6 or 7 EVF. It's a 2.3 million pixel image. That's more than twice the pixel count of the LCD monitor. be careful here - pixel is the wrong word; unfortunately, camera manufacturers have taken to inflating viewfinder resolution by

Re: Which second party camera system do you like? Mini-survey

2013-09-11 Thread John
On 9/11/2013 8:34 AM, Tom C wrote: On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 2:21 PM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote: ... I'm not a big fan of composing on the LCD and have yet to actually try an electronic viewfinder. Well, silly Darren, one composes with an LCD or electronic viewfinder exactly the

Re: Which second party camera system do you like? Mini-survey

2013-09-11 Thread kwaller
you like? Mini-survey The modern EVF cameras have reduced lag to almost non-existent. My older EVF cameras - Sony F707/F717/F828/R1, Olympus 8080WZ, Panasonic FZ10, Minolta A2 - were fairly pathetic on viewfinder responsiveness and resolution. I used the viewfinder primarily as a targeting

Re: Which second party camera system do you like? Mini-survey

2013-09-11 Thread Boris Liberman
Well, Aahz, I suppose it is power to you then. You see, starting with K-7, the default focusing screen wasn't properly located for accurate shallow DOF manual focus (think 77/1.8 wide open or worse yet 50/1.2 wide open). I had a saga with K-7 shimming. The K-5 that I bought brand new - I

Re: Which second party camera system do you like? Mini-survey

2013-09-11 Thread John
I'm not boycotting Sony, I just don't like their crap products. Every piece of Sony consumer electronics equipment I have ever owned failed had to be replaced exactly one day after the warranty expired. Although, I haven't forgotten (or forgiven) that root-kit debacle either. On 9/11/2013

Re: Which second party camera system do you like? Mini-survey

2013-09-11 Thread John
On the downside, you have to deal with that funky Minolta flash mount. On 9/11/2013 7:21 AM, Darren Addy wrote: I will say that a while back the one brand that had my attention was Sony. Pentax made a huge leap when they adopted Sony Exmor sensors, and Sony gives itself an edge in the sensor

Re: Which second party camera system do you like? Mini-survey

2013-09-11 Thread Aahz Maruch
On Wed, Sep 11, 2013, John wrote: Every piece of Sony consumer electronics equipment I have ever owned failed had to be replaced exactly one day after the warranty expired. Timex bought Sony??? -- Hugs and backrubs -- I break Rule 6http://rule6.info/

Re: Which second party camera system do you like? Mini-survey

2013-09-11 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
Not on the latest ones. They now have an ISO shoe fitted with the interface for their EVF on the RX-1, and the ISO shoe on the NEX 6 as well. In general, however, I'm not partial to the NEX bodies. They feel very cramped in my hands. The 6 seems the best of them so far, but it doesn't give me

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