On Tue, 8 Oct 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm probably your culprit as I sent a direct message (well cc:'s at
least) to a bunch of the folks on the pdml that complained the list
was down.
Nah, I was thinking of using that as a spring board to the Ghetto PDML
list to cope with my losses. :)
yalt
In a message dated 10/8/02 7:40:42 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The camera is at the present some $9,000.00 USD, but that
price will drop. The next year or two will be critical in the digital vs.
film race for resolution.
And Pentax hasn't even entered the fray.
This is a MAJOR blunder by
On Wed, 9 Oct 2002, Steve Desjardins wrote:
So what's a 645? 8^)
Why, I'm glad you asked.. its my shiny new (used) camera which, I hope,
should be waiting for me on my doorstep when I go home.
I actually think it was my sheer glee at purchasing the 645 that destroyed
the list, clearly fate
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Hoooray, the list works again Or so it seems.
So NOW start the last 24 hours of my collecting votes for the SMC
Pentax K-Mount Extreme Telephoto Prime Lens Poll!!
As you know, you are invited to choose 3 lenses among the SMC Pentax
K-mount primes with focal length between 300mm and
Just got back from Algonquin Park where I spent a few days shooting fall
colour, moose and other goings on. had the opportunity to get some nice moose
shots (Mom with her two young calves) and early morning mist coming off the
lake. Anyway, since the list is back up and running, I thought I
dang reply-to function is tripping out
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Un titulo interesante.
Jeff.
--- Albano Garcia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 06:18:17 -0700 (PDT)
From: Albano Garcia [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: testing
To: Jeff [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It means The Asahi Boy
Regards
--- Jeff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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I spent 9 days in the Muskoka/Haliburton area.
My wifa was shooting with the ESPIO (32mm) and I was shooting 50/50 with the
GSW690 (28mm equiv.) and the G690 (43mm equiv.).
I only wish I had my SP with the 90mm Macro ( strictly for macro shots).
Jeff
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From: [EMAIL
Please IMAGINE that you have no exreme telephoto prime lens for your
k-mount camera (maybe you need not to imagine this). Also imagine that
you have more than enough money and a good opportunity to buy k-mount
SMC Pentax EXTREME telephoto prime
Doug,
I know you have had a lot of problems with the list and I greatly
appreciate your contribution in maintaining this list. But please leave me
unsubscribed. I'm not at home presently. I can only check my email
irregularly from an internet cafe and I cannot afford to have my email
On Tuesday 08 October 2002 22:34, William Kane wrote:
Hey gang,
I know we've talked about this before, but I REALLY need a good model
release form to use. If anyone has one that they like, would they send
it along? I need some basic wording . . . I plant to use it so that I
can put up
Doug,
I know you have had a lot of problems with the list and I greatly
appreciate your contribution in maintaining this list. But please leave me
unsubscribed. I'm not at home presently. I can only check my email
irregularly from an internet cafe and I cannot afford to have my email
Was his name Pal Jensen by any chance?
BR
-Original Message-
From: David Chang-Sang [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Seeing as how the list was down all last weekend; and I got a
chance to talk
to a Pentax Rep (yes they DO exist) at the local Henry's Sales/Show
Extravaganza out here
Through shared memory cards and microdrives, at a guess.
Regards,
Anthony Farr
- Original Message -
From: Johan Schoone [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Getting a virus into a digicam is one thing. How is it going to spread?
--
Viruses attack via the operating system. These cameras aren't running under Windows,
or any other high level OS. This whole thing makes as much sense as giving a microwave
oven a virus.
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
What about when you take
William Kane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I know we've talked about this before, but I REALLY need a good model
release form to use. If anyone has one that they like, would they send
it along? I need some basic wording . . . I plant to use it so that I
can put up the results of my students
Anthony Farr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Through shared memory cards and microdrives, at a guess.
Getting a virus into a digicam is one thing. How is it going to spread?
Actually, I'd be more interested in hearing how you might get a virus *into* a
digicam. I can't imagine ever uploading any
Congrats Dave,I been getting $1 rimless 8x10 - 4
clipsframes from loonie stores around Richmond andBurnaby, BC. They are
quite good.James
It only took me a short while to get use to the shutter buttons of the
Super Program i bought from the list.Its a great little camera and i
use it mostly with Black and White,but might shove
some RSX II 100 this weekend.
Dave Brooks
On Thu, 10 Oct
I am not receiving the digests, only the headings. Am I doing something
wrong or is there a glitch in the system?
testing yet again
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As Bruce replied to my comment it would not affect any 'operating system'
of the camera(Hey if you dont know ask,right Bruce?)but to address your
comment Mark,i sometimes use my 128 meg cards to transfer files
between computers.I sometimes forget to delete and format.That may have
some sort of
interesting note: many PS and DSLR's can have their
firm ware flashed from a computer. now this is where a
virus can get in and do alot of damage.
--- Brad Dobo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes,
noticed that after a few emails I didn't see
coming up on the board :)
Reply to all is fine with me
Hi Katrin,
Welcome to the list! Things are a bit hectic here at the moment as the
computer that holds the list was (presumably) broken until very recently,
and even now things are not quite steady. There is some 'tweaking' still
going on, hence your first post not making it.
You will find
On Wed, 9 Oct 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It only took me a short while to get use to the shutter buttons of the
Super Program i bought from the list.Its a great little camera and i
use it mostly with Black and White,but might shove
some RSX II 100 this weekend.
Well, the person for whom
On Wed, 9 Oct 2002, Rubenstein, Bruce M (Bruce) wrote:
Psychotropic drugs can now control this.
Hey, I resemble that remark! :-)
Chris
On Wed, 9 Oct 2002, Peter Alling wrote:
I think that you meant procrastinating. We leave prevaricating to
politicians around these parts.
I should have just put 'p-ing around' shouldn't I? :-) When in Yorkshire
do as Yorkshire folk do (they are famously blunt-speaking for those that
don't
- Original Message -
From: gfen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Since I'm too lazy to check now, did it have MLU, which was the other
thing I wanted to have on the camera to encourage good behaviour?
No MLU, it was a budget model after all
Tyro?
An enthusiastic amateur.
The Super Program is
Its Not supposed to spread, it damges the cmos of the one its infecting,
besides it should only affect camera's that have uploadable firmware or
infrared communication or if you plug it into a PC thats infected
The virus reprogrames the EPROM chips, about 2 years ago I had a Nokia phone
that was
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
As Bruce replied to my comment it would not affect any 'operating system'
of the camera(Hey if you dont know ask,right Bruce?)but to address your
comment Mark,i sometimes use my 128 meg cards to transfer files
between computers.I sometimes forget to delete and
On Tuesday, October 8, 2002, at 07:38 PM, Cameron Hood wrote:
I downloaded a jpeg from that camera, and printed it on my Epson 1270 on max
rez at 11x14 with premium glossy and...
Holy crap...
It's pretty nice, isn't it?
And Pentax hasn't even entered the fray.
This is a MAJOR blunder by
How do you know it was a virus? Cell phones are designed to be programmable, because
they have to be configured for a particular user and service provider. There are
programs, and supporting hardware, designed to clone phones in case the old one is
damaged, or just to upgrade. Also, anyone who
Thats exactly what i find.I can scroll through and see whats happening in the
finder.
Dave
As I thought about it, I actually though I might PREFER the buttons over a
traditional dial, only because it seems like it would be much easier to do
one handed, with your face pressed up against the
On Tuesday, October 8, 2002, at 07:38 PM, Cameron Hood wrote:
And Pentax hasn't even entered the fray.
This is a MAJOR blunder by them.
Cameron Hood
What's really irritating me is the slwne of new Limited lens availability.
Where's the Limited answer to the variosonnar?
You know
On Wed, 9 Oct 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Thats exactly what i find.I can scroll through and see whats happening in the
finder.
It seems like most newer SLRs have layouts that require you to spin dials
and press buttons, like the other ZX camera I had.. It didn't seem so far
a stretch to
It's
because Pentax can't make any money selling a DSLR. The amount of costthat
would need to be amortized over the relatively short product life of a DSLR, and
the small number of units that Pentax can sell would make the cost of the camera
very high.There will be fewer manufacturers of
Rubenstein, Bruce M (Bruce) wrote:
Viruses attack via the operating system. These cameras aren't running under
Windows,
or any other high level OS. This whole thing makes as much sense as giving a
microwave
oven a virus.
Wrong. Many devices, cell phones, VCRs, DVD players, and even
Now, as most of you know, I put quotes related to I heard it from a rep... in the
same category as fortunes in fortune cookies, but people seem to be big fans of them
anyway. So, I got this from the Nikon list (which can take a lickin' but keep on
tickin' - sorry Doug):
FYI, I went to a talk
I don't buy this, for the following reasons:
- Any company would have done a business case analysis before proceeding
with the MZ-D prototypes, and we know they got far along before
cancelling. Obviously there was a pricepoint that worked.
- We're still buying non-autofocus A* lenses fer
I've been looking at cheap wide zooms. I've heard
that the Vivitar Ser 1 19-35 is pretty good for its
price, but has anyone used the Pheonix version?
Thanks,
Deb
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Bruce,
Even though we have the same first name, we don't have the same
manners. I appreciate some of your insights and comments. They could
be posed in a more uplifting manner and spirit. If that is beyond
you, then you continue to damage your credibility.
Bruce Dayton
Wednesday, October
So the list now sends attachments?
On Wednesday 09 October 2002 12:54 am, James Adams wrote:
My Norton AV 2002 caught the following:
Date: 08/10/02, Time: 14:57:10, James Adams
on Q9V4Y6
The email attachment size.exe is infected
with the W32.Klez.H@mm virus.
The file was quarantined. but
Hi guys and gals,
my choices:
1) A*400/f2.8
2) FA*300/f4.5 EDIF
3) A*600/f5.6 EDIF
Ciao,
Gianfranco
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If anyone has a hankerin' to get down to Texas next
month, there is the Rio Grande Valley Birding Festival
to check out Nov. 6-10. There are several tours to
nature preserves and selected areas in town. The
valley is home at one time of year or another to over
450 bird species. There are even
on 09.10.02 21:36, Rubenstein, Bruce M (Bruce) at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
And is this really keeping you up at night? The issue wasn't whether or it was
possible, but was it a significant threat to digital cameras. It's still like
worrying if cell phones give you cancer. I'm beginning to
It really does make me wonder about their feelings about US customers.
How hard would it be to let BH special order the black lenses? Do
our
fellow North Americans in Canada (am I evoking warm fuzzy feelings of
fraternity?) have the same problem?
Steven Desjardins
Department of Chemistry
On Wed, 9 Oct 2002, Debra Wilborn wrote:
I've been looking at cheap wide zooms. I've heard
that the Vivitar Ser 1 19-35 is pretty good for its
price, but has anyone used the Pheonix version?
I believe I've read that the Phoenix, Vivitar, and Cosina versions are all
teh same.. I also believe
what do you expect from a test message? a dslr question?
Hi!
I'm really glad that I found that list...
and don't be afraid, I'm already broken, so it can't get much worse...
bye Katrin
You will see the guys on the list are really cute.
One hint has to be made: You don't have to buy all that stuff that is discussed and
seems to get necessarily on
Hello!
thanks for the nice welcome ^_^
I got my mx today, seems to be ok so far, although I have to buy
some batteries and haven't taken any pics yet only the Rapid-
Wind-lever or whatever it is called feels a bit strange at least
compared to my me...I paid 120 Euro (about 115 US$?) for the
That's just plain mean Bruce. Please try to grow up (at least so your body
is in proportion to your head)
I did some talking to some people I know on the IRC. I am in there more
than here, as computers come first to me, cameras a distant second. Anyhow,
here's what I have. PalmPilots are
If you want a black Limited lens, you can order one from this shop in
Brighton, England:
http://www.camera-direct.com/other.asp
The black Limiteds will cost a little more than the silver ones, but you
can get one. The prices shown on the website include the 17.5% VAT,
which a US purchaser
on 09.10.02 21:36, Rubenstein, Bruce M (Bruce) at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
I'm beginning to think that the
easiest way to spot a Pentax user in a crowd is by their aluminum foil hat.
I wore my aluminum foil hat to the camera store, and damned if they
didn't sell me a Nikon D100. Said it
Consider the following:
1 - It is believed that current top of the line 6 Megapixel SLR's (Canon D60
and Fuji S2 Pro) can match more or less the quality of 24x36mm film SLR's. I
saw the pictures made with my friend's S2 Pro (and Sigma 15-30 zoom) and I
have to admit it's true. nothing worse than
I'll second that, thanks a lot Doug!
On Wednesday 09 October 2002 1:14 am, Cameron Hood wrote:
I think we all owe our Doug Brewer a brewski for all his hard work. Thanks
Doug for a brilliant job all these years.
Now the whining can reconvene in earnest.
Cameron Hood
--
Frits Wüthrich
Eyes of the Storm - Cotty
I like the use of what seems to be a flash giving the eyes life.
Thanks, Ed!
Cot
Oh, swipe me! He paints with light!
http://www.macads.co.uk/snaps
Free UK Macintosh Classified Ads at
For those who want to see something more about Photokina 2002:
www.fotone.it
Dario Bonazza
http://www.dariobonazza.com
Unlike the rest of the world, we here in Canada, I think, don't hate you for
being American :)
Yes, we have the same problem, and it's quite annoying. I got my first
taste of this when buying my own 'real' first camera, the MZ-5n. I thought
nothing of it for a while, until it seemed like
For those who can no longer withstand the talks about what did and what
didn't show-up at Photokina 2002, which I'm contributing too, does anybody
like any picture in my personal photography website?
http://www.dariobonazza.com
Bye,
Dario Bonazza
Hi, Katrin,
First, let me add my welcome to the list, along with the others.
Second, $115US (or thereabouts) for an MX, with 50mm Pentax lens, 80-200 zoom and
camera bags is an ~excellent~ price! It may be an even better deal than that,
depending on the lenses. I'm assuming the 50mm lens is
Some viruses simply look for open shares to connect to. If the computer
can write to the camera then it could be vulnerable. Will it destroy the
camera? Probably not. It wouldn't (hopefully) be able to get into the
firmware, but it could fill your memory card with gibberish. The easier it
I love London #19!
Dario Bonazza 2 wrote:
For those who can no longer withstand the talks about what did and what
didn't show-up at Photokina 2002, which I'm contributing too, does anybody
like any picture in my personal photography website?
http://www.dariobonazza.com
Bye,
Dario Bonazza
on 09.10.02 23:12, Dario Bonazza 2 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
For those who can no longer withstand the talks about what did and what
didn't show-up at Photokina 2002, which I'm contributing too, does anybody
like any picture in my personal photography website?
http://www.dariobonazza.com
I'm beginning to think that the easiest way to spot a Pentax user in a
crowd is by their aluminum foil hat.
Damn! Rumbled again!
Cotty
Oh, swipe me! He paints with light!
http://www.macads.co.uk/snaps
Free UK Macintosh
I paid 120 Euro (about 115 US$?) for the
body, a pentax 50mm lens, a 80-200 mm tele, a matching bag
(don't know how to call them in english) and a cute camera bag for
the camera and about two other lenses in red leather which is
probably as old as the camera...
I'd say that qualifies as a
If you want a black Limited lens, you can order one from this shop in
Brighton, England:
http://www.camera-direct.com/other.asp
Never heard of it!
The black Limiteds will cost a little more than the silver ones, but you
can get one. The prices shown on the website include the 17.5% VAT,
And what a bargain it was!
Congratulations, Katrin and welcome :)
Lukasz
-Original Message-
From: Cotty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 11:46 PM
To: Pentax List
Subject: New (to Katrin) MX (was: Re: Hello)
I paid 120 Euro (about 115 US$?) for the
body, a
The actual microprocessor was render inoperable and it was locked out with a
128bit code which was unbreakable by our software (some of which can
actually decode a winzip file, and if you know computers you know thats
pretty hard to do) There was no physical damage to the chip it was just
unable
There is a lot here to like. My personal picks are
the fire twirlers at the Medieval Fest, the brass
knocker in Essex, and the whole Cologne gallery,
especially the guy with the twin-lens reflex. My
favorite from the bikes page is the red, white and
blue Superside in a turn. You caught the
Hum... you could write a virus in the form of dots on a bill board, and when
someone makes a photo of that with his DSLR, the virus is in the camera.
That's the way to spread it! I need to go to bed now...
On Wednesday 09 October 2002 9:45 pm, Brad Dobo wrote:
I did some talking to some
Hi, Amita,
Glad everything went well. Welcome to married life! Your life will carry
on as before, with few if any noticeable changes (except that the toilet
seat will be left up all the time now! g).
Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think Canon makes a
medium format camera.
Really. I've already posted, thanking Doug for his hard work in getting things
going again, but it can't hurt to do it again: THANKS, DOUG!
It was so nice to get home from work today back to the usual pile of e-mails
from pdml. All's right with the world again... g
-frank
Frits Wüthrich
Subject: deteriorated foam rubber - self-repair?
The foam rubber seals on my ME-body are getting gooey.
- Is it useful to replace them by myself?
- Do I get new seals from Pentax or are there other options?
Some experience to share?
(The rubber on the front side above the mirror needs
On 9 Oct 2002 at 16:28, Steve Desjardins wrote:
It really does make me wonder about their feelings about US customers.
How hard would it be to let BH special order the black lenses? Do
our
fellow North Americans in Canada (am I evoking warm fuzzy feelings of
fraternity?) have the same
That may be so, but at least we don't put 'Nikon' decals on our hats like
they do.
I'm beginning to think that the easiest way to spot a Pentax user in a
crowd is by their aluminum foil hat.
Damn! Rumbled again!
Cotty
Oh, swipe me! He paints with
On 9 Oct 2002 at 11:33, Mark Roberts wrote:
Actually, I'd be more interested in hearing how you might get a virus *into* a
digicam. I can't imagine ever uploading any files into the camera from anywhere.
Not that I'm particularly perturbed by the prospect of uploading a virus laden
firmware
On 9 Oct 2002 at 17:14, Cotty wrote:
Good to see another woman on the list :-)
Danke,
Cotty
Hi Katrin,
I'll help Cotty out here just in case you read his message as I did:
Steve (Cotty) is a 6'+ boy photographer :-)
Cheers,
Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
On 9 Oct 2002 at 13:52, Mark Roberts wrote:
Ryan K. Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
- A 6MP DSLR would still be competitive today, two years after it was
announced.
But not at the price announced. As far as I can tell, the price of the
Philips/DALSA CCD hasn't come down so they need a
We all do our best Cotty, after all, if the old farts were only posting we'd
fall asleep reading the emails! :)
Brad Dobo
- Original Message -
From: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Pentax List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 5:57 PM
Subject: Re: DSLRs and viruses
And
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=1387442690
We buy cars with nice accessories. Why not lenses?
Check out the filter!
Collin
on 10.10.02 0:47, Rob Studdert at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Was a price ever announced by Pentax? As far as I can recall the only price
that was mentioned was that published by the french mag (for got the name)
based solely on the cost of a one off purchase of the Philips 6MP sensor + a
fudge
Michael Cross [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
http://www.dariobonazza.com
I love London #19!
London #17 is my fave. What a wonderful juxtaposition!
--
Mark Roberts
www.robertstech.com
Photography and writing
Hi, Steven,
Thanks for the article. With all the troubles in the world today, it's nice to read
that there is some Good in the
world. Kind of lifts the spirits.
There was a similar story recently in the Toronto Globe and Mail, about someone (can't
remember who, or what nationality,
but he
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I got my mx today, seems to be ok so far, although I have to buy
some batteries and haven't taken any pics yet only the Rapid-
Wind-lever or whatever it is called feels a bit strange at least
compared to my me...I paid 120 Euro (about 115 US$?) for the
body, a
frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Sorry to ramble on so OT, but I think that these things are important. Thanks again.
Some OT subjects are worth rambling on about.
--
Mark Roberts
www.robertstech.com
Photography and writing
On 10 Oct 2002 at 1:01, Sylwester Pietrzyk wrote:
on 10.10.02 0:47, Rob Studdert at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Was a price ever announced by Pentax? As far as I can recall the only price
that was mentioned was that published by the french mag (for got the name)
based solely on the cost of
on 10.10.02 1:35, Bruce Rubenstein at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I suggest you brush up on your reading skills, because I never said that
digital cameras don't have operating systems. I said they aren't running
under Windows, or some other high level OS that is a typical target of
viruses.
So
There's an Italian word tirocinio which means apprenticeship, training, so
it has to do with somebody trying to learn something.
Maybe Tyro is a short for tyrocinium, which sounds like the Latin versions
of the Italian word tirocinio. Since often Latin words also became
scientific or learned
I consider the gooey foam in the mirror box and the light trapping around the back
door an essential replacement on all K and M series cameras, older 6X7's, and ageing
LX's. I have had this done on my six Pentax cameras (K1000, KX, MX, 2 X LX, 6X7 along
with a CLA and I see no reason why they
On 10 Oct 2002 at 2:10, Dario Bonazza 2 wrote:
There's an Italian word tirocinio which means apprenticeship, training, so it
has to do with somebody trying to learn something. Maybe Tyro is a short for
tyrocinium, which sounds like the Latin versions of the Italian word
tirocinio. Since
Nobody seems to have mentioned the real problem area. That is that the
CPU in the DSLR is probably not even an Intel CPU, so any virus writer
would have to learn the CPU instruction set, or have a cross compiler to
use another CPU, like an Intel, to get a virus into a language that the
DSLR CPU
Ahhh yes,
The birds are singing...
A gentle breeze caresses the trees outside my office window
And the usual gratuitous slanging match is taking place about non-existent
products, and the even more ironic non-existent maladies that may infest
these non-existent products.
Life is indeed
Oh, go dig up a fossil g. Think of it as hearing something over a beer at
a pub.
Bob
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From: Shaun Canning [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Pentax-Discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 10:21 AM
Subject: Normailty
Ahhh yes,
The birds are singing...
A
Branded by who? You? I would be worried and embarrased if it was anyone who
was respected around here. And I can say whatever I want.
You need to be a little less nasty and personal in your comments, Bruce. I
am merely voicing my opinion which, as far as I can tell, is perfectly legal
in the
Holy semantic stream of technobabble, Rob! That's impressive! I'm going to
email autoreply your autoreply via my fax on my cell from a payphone with my
friends pager, so I can download a firmware upgrade for my cell/fax and post
it via FTP on my microwave for everyone to see. I hope that's OK.
Tyro is an Anglicization of the Latin 'Tiro', meaning an novice or recruit.
Supposed to originate in English in the 17th Century.
Shaun Canning
PhD Student
Department of Archaeology
School of European and Historical Studies
La Trobe University, Bundoora, Vic, 3086.
Phone: 0414-967644
e-mail:
m...beer
mpub
my two favorite things in the world can be found in pubs...
Shaun Canning
PhD Student
Department of Archaeology
School of European and Historical Studies
La Trobe University, Bundoora, Vic, 3086.
Phone: 0414-967644
e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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