RE: PESO: WH 17

2017-05-24 Thread John Coyle
Hey Chris - Were you ever at the Kingston plant? I was an engineering 
apprentice at Hawker's in
Kingston (1956-7), plated cockpit parts for the Hunter, did paint tests for the 
wing and tailplane
panels, and ended up metallurgical testing of steel components in the test lab 
- learned so much
there!


John in Brisbane


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Very good Dan - and through a canopy too?

They used to make canopies for Hawker Hunters, Harriers and Hawks  in the 
aircraft factory where I
did my apprenticeship. Very specialised and I remember seeing a bloody great 
sheet of hot Perspex
being draped over a greasy wooden mould. It was then subject to a lot of 
polishing to make it
optically perfect and to remove any distortion - after all, the pilot ideally 
would want to see the
target / runway in the right place.. It took many hours.

Chris

On 15 May 2017 at 04:10, Daniel J. Matyola  wrote:
> An image from back in the day:
>
> https://dan-matyola.squarespace.com/danmatyolas-pesos/2017/5/14/wh-17
> Asahi Pentax Spotmatic, smc Super-Takumar 50 mm F 1.4 Comments are 
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Re: handheld long exposures

2017-05-24 Thread Paul Stenquist
A "u" here and in Sweden, at least since the 1880s.

Paul via phone

> On May 24, 2017, at 4:43 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Paul Stenquist wrote:
>> And it’s Stenquist, no i ;-)
> 
> There is so an 'i', right after the 'u' that is probably supposed to be a 'v'.
> 
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Re: OT old school race photography

2017-05-24 Thread John Francis
On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 02:44:34AM -0700, Larry Colen wrote:
> Here's one for John
> 
> http://blackflag.jalopnik.com/this-photographer-shoots-200-mph-formula-one-cars-on-a-1795445508

Neat!

Maybe I need to see if I can get my old 1914 half-plate stereo camera working


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Re: handheld long exposures

2017-05-24 Thread Jostein
Don't have the K-1, but give me until late August and I'll check out the 
K-3. Not dark enough at night here now.

Jostein

Den 24.05.2017 16.52, skrev Gonz:

Anybody try this with the K-1?  Is the Pentax 5-axis image
stabilization this good?

https://petapixel.com/2017/05/23/gorgeous-10-second-milky-way-photo-shot-hand-held/




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Re: handheld long exposures

2017-05-24 Thread Larry Colen



Paul Stenquist wrote:

And it’s Stenquist, no i ;-)


There is so an 'i', right after the 'u' that is probably supposed to be 
a 'v'.




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Re: handheld long exposures

2017-05-24 Thread Gonz
The worst that happens with my name is replacement of "z" with "s".


On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 3:26 PM, Daniel J. Matyola  wrote:
> You should see what people do with my last name!
>
> Dan Matyola
>
> On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 4:15 PM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:
>
>> No problem. A lot of people do.
>>
>> Paul via phone
>>
>> > On May 24, 2017, at 3:47 PM, Gonz  wrote:
>> >
>> > Yeah, I got it wrong quite a few times.  My brain adds those extra
>> > letters there for some odd reason.
>>
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Re: handheld long exposures

2017-05-24 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
You should see what people do with my last name!

Dan Matyola

On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 4:15 PM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:

> No problem. A lot of people do.
>
> Paul via phone
>
> > On May 24, 2017, at 3:47 PM, Gonz  wrote:
> >
> > Yeah, I got it wrong quite a few times.  My brain adds those extra
> > letters there for some odd reason.
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Re: handheld long exposures

2017-05-24 Thread Paul Stenquist
No problem. A lot of people do.

Paul via phone

> On May 24, 2017, at 3:47 PM, Gonz  wrote:
> 
> Yeah, I got it wrong quite a few times.  My brain adds those extra
> letters there for some odd reason.
> 
>> On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 2:31 PM, Paul Stenquist  
>> wrote:
>> Too much light pollution in my part of Michigan to shoot the Milky Way. If I 
>> were to attempt it, I’d use the 50/1.2 and lie on the ground. I could never 
>> do it standing up. Not only would I fail to be steady, I’d probably lose my 
>> balance and topple over. And it’s Stenquist, no i ;-)
>> 
>> Paul Stenquist
>> 
>>> On May 24, 2017, at 3:09 PM, Gonz  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I see!  He moved from now on.  I heard Michigan was nicer than now on 
>>> anyways.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 1:45 PM, Ken Waller  wrote:
> I'll just say Paul from now on!
 
 
 Actually he's from Michigan (;+>
 
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 http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller
 
 - Original Message - From: "Gonz" 
 Subject: Re: handheld long exposures
 
 
 
> Damn... can't get it right... sorry again...   I'll just say Paul from now
> on!
> 
> 
>> On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 1:35 PM, Gonz  wrote:
>> 
>> Sorry --- "Steinquist", had to check.  fail
>> 
>> 
>>> On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 1:34 PM, Gonz  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Alright Paul, show us the steady Steinquest hand held milky way pic!
>>> Tonight should be pretty dark, new moon is tomorrow.
>>> 
>>> 
 On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 1:07 PM, Alan C  wrote:
 
 Paul shouldn't have too much trouble!
 
 Alan C
 
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 Subject: handheld long exposures
 
 
 Anybody try this with the K-1?  Is the Pentax 5-axis image
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Re: handheld long exposures

2017-05-24 Thread Gonz
Yeah, I got it wrong quite a few times.  My brain adds those extra
letters there for some odd reason.

On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 2:31 PM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:
> Too much light pollution in my part of Michigan to shoot the Milky Way. If I 
> were to attempt it, I’d use the 50/1.2 and lie on the ground. I could never 
> do it standing up. Not only would I fail to be steady, I’d probably lose my 
> balance and topple over. And it’s Stenquist, no i ;-)
>
> Paul Stenquist
>
>> On May 24, 2017, at 3:09 PM, Gonz  wrote:
>>
>> I see!  He moved from now on.  I heard Michigan was nicer than now on 
>> anyways.
>>
>>
>> On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 1:45 PM, Ken Waller  wrote:
 I'll just say Paul from now on!
>>>
>>>
>>> Actually he's from Michigan (;+>
>>>
>>> Kenneth Waller
>>> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller
>>>
>>> - Original Message - From: "Gonz" 
>>> Subject: Re: handheld long exposures
>>>
>>>
>>>
 Damn... can't get it right... sorry again...   I'll just say Paul from now
 on!


 On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 1:35 PM, Gonz  wrote:
>
> Sorry --- "Steinquist", had to check.  fail
>
>
> On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 1:34 PM, Gonz  wrote:
>>
>> Alright Paul, show us the steady Steinquest hand held milky way pic!
>> Tonight should be pretty dark, new moon is tomorrow.
>>
>>
>> On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 1:07 PM, Alan C  wrote:
>>>
>>> Paul shouldn't have too much trouble!
>>>
>>> Alan C
>>>
>>> -Original Message- From: Gonz
>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 4:52 PM
>>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
>>> Subject: handheld long exposures
>>>
>>>
>>> Anybody try this with the K-1?  Is the Pentax 5-axis image
>>> stabilization this good?
>>>
>>>
>>> https://petapixel.com/2017/05/23/gorgeous-10-second-milky-way-photo-shot-hand-held/
>>>
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Re: handheld long exposures

2017-05-24 Thread Paul Stenquist
Too much light pollution in my part of Michigan to shoot the Milky Way. If I 
were to attempt it, I’d use the 50/1.2 and lie on the ground. I could never do 
it standing up. Not only would I fail to be steady, I’d probably lose my 
balance and topple over. And it’s Stenquist, no i ;-)

Paul Stenquist

> On May 24, 2017, at 3:09 PM, Gonz  wrote:
> 
> I see!  He moved from now on.  I heard Michigan was nicer than now on anyways.
> 
> 
> On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 1:45 PM, Ken Waller  wrote:
>>> I'll just say Paul from now on!
>> 
>> 
>> Actually he's from Michigan (;+>
>> 
>> Kenneth Waller
>> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller
>> 
>> - Original Message - From: "Gonz" 
>> Subject: Re: handheld long exposures
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> Damn... can't get it right... sorry again...   I'll just say Paul from now
>>> on!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 1:35 PM, Gonz  wrote:
 
 Sorry --- "Steinquist", had to check.  fail
 
 
 On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 1:34 PM, Gonz  wrote:
> 
> Alright Paul, show us the steady Steinquest hand held milky way pic!
> Tonight should be pretty dark, new moon is tomorrow.
> 
> 
> On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 1:07 PM, Alan C  wrote:
>> 
>> Paul shouldn't have too much trouble!
>> 
>> Alan C
>> 
>> -Original Message- From: Gonz
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 4:52 PM
>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
>> Subject: handheld long exposures
>> 
>> 
>> Anybody try this with the K-1?  Is the Pentax 5-axis image
>> stabilization this good?
>> 
>> 
>> https://petapixel.com/2017/05/23/gorgeous-10-second-milky-way-photo-shot-hand-held/
>> 
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Re: handheld long exposures

2017-05-24 Thread Gonz
I see!  He moved from now on.  I heard Michigan was nicer than now on anyways.


On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 1:45 PM, Ken Waller  wrote:
>> I'll just say Paul from now on!
>
>
> Actually he's from Michigan (;+>
>
> Kenneth Waller
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>
> - Original Message - From: "Gonz" 
> Subject: Re: handheld long exposures
>
>
>
>> Damn... can't get it right... sorry again...   I'll just say Paul from now
>> on!
>>
>>
>> On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 1:35 PM, Gonz  wrote:
>>>
>>> Sorry --- "Steinquist", had to check.  fail
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 1:34 PM, Gonz  wrote:

 Alright Paul, show us the steady Steinquest hand held milky way pic!
 Tonight should be pretty dark, new moon is tomorrow.


 On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 1:07 PM, Alan C  wrote:
>
> Paul shouldn't have too much trouble!
>
> Alan C
>
> -Original Message- From: Gonz
> Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 4:52 PM
> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> Subject: handheld long exposures
>
>
> Anybody try this with the K-1?  Is the Pentax 5-axis image
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>
>
> https://petapixel.com/2017/05/23/gorgeous-10-second-milky-way-photo-shot-hand-held/
>
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Re: handheld long exposures

2017-05-24 Thread Ken Waller

I'll just say Paul from now on!


Actually he's from Michigan (;+>

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- Original Message - 
From: "Gonz" 

Subject: Re: handheld long exposures


Damn... can't get it right... sorry again...   I'll just say Paul from now 
on!



On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 1:35 PM, Gonz  wrote:

Sorry --- "Steinquist", had to check.  fail


On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 1:34 PM, Gonz  wrote:

Alright Paul, show us the steady Steinquest hand held milky way pic!
Tonight should be pretty dark, new moon is tomorrow.


On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 1:07 PM, Alan C  wrote:

Paul shouldn't have too much trouble!

Alan C

-Original Message- From: Gonz
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To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
Subject: handheld long exposures


Anybody try this with the K-1?  Is the Pentax 5-axis image
stabilization this good?

https://petapixel.com/2017/05/23/gorgeous-10-second-milky-way-photo-shot-hand-held/


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Re: handheld long exposures

2017-05-24 Thread Gonz
Damn... can't get it right... sorry again...   I'll just say Paul from now on!


On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 1:35 PM, Gonz  wrote:
> Sorry --- "Steinquist", had to check.  fail
>
>
> On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 1:34 PM, Gonz  wrote:
>> Alright Paul, show us the steady Steinquest hand held milky way pic!
>> Tonight should be pretty dark, new moon is tomorrow.
>>
>>
>> On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 1:07 PM, Alan C  wrote:
>>> Paul shouldn't have too much trouble!
>>>
>>> Alan C
>>>
>>> -Original Message- From: Gonz
>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 4:52 PM
>>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
>>> Subject: handheld long exposures
>>>
>>>
>>> Anybody try this with the K-1?  Is the Pentax 5-axis image
>>> stabilization this good?
>>>
>>> https://petapixel.com/2017/05/23/gorgeous-10-second-milky-way-photo-shot-hand-held/
>>>
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Re: handheld long exposures

2017-05-24 Thread Gonz
Sorry --- "Steinquist", had to check.  fail


On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 1:34 PM, Gonz  wrote:
> Alright Paul, show us the steady Steinquest hand held milky way pic!
> Tonight should be pretty dark, new moon is tomorrow.
>
>
> On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 1:07 PM, Alan C  wrote:
>> Paul shouldn't have too much trouble!
>>
>> Alan C
>>
>> -Original Message- From: Gonz
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 4:52 PM
>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
>> Subject: handheld long exposures
>>
>>
>> Anybody try this with the K-1?  Is the Pentax 5-axis image
>> stabilization this good?
>>
>> https://petapixel.com/2017/05/23/gorgeous-10-second-milky-way-photo-shot-hand-held/
>>
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Re: handheld long exposures

2017-05-24 Thread Gonz
Alright Paul, show us the steady Steinquest hand held milky way pic!
Tonight should be pretty dark, new moon is tomorrow.


On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 1:07 PM, Alan C  wrote:
> Paul shouldn't have too much trouble!
>
> Alan C
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>
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Re: handheld long exposures

2017-05-24 Thread Alan C

Paul shouldn't have too much trouble!

Alan C

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Anybody try this with the K-1?  Is the Pentax 5-axis image
stabilization this good?

https://petapixel.com/2017/05/23/gorgeous-10-second-milky-way-photo-shot-hand-held/


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Re: PESO: WH 17

2017-05-24 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Thanks, Chris.

The canopy might have been spotless and optically perfect when it left the
factory, but after a few months in actual use -- especially under combat
conditions -- it got pretty dirty and scratched.  The plane captain would
wipe it down before each flight, but usually just ground the sand and dirt
into the surface.

It was always clear enough to complete the mission, however, but it could
cause imperfections in any photo taken through the canopy.

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> Very good Dan - and through a canopy too?
>
> They used to make canopies for Hawker Hunters, Harriers and Hawks  in
> the aircraft factory where I did my apprenticeship. Very specialised
> and I remember seeing a bloody great sheet of hot Perspex being draped
> over a greasy wooden mould. It was then subject to a lot of polishing
> to make it optically perfect and to remove any distortion - after all,
> the pilot ideally would want to see the target / runway in the right
> place.. It took many hours.
>
> Chris
>
> On 15 May 2017 at 04:10, Daniel J. Matyola  wrote:
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> >
> > https://dan-matyola.squarespace.com/danmatyolas-pesos/2017/5/14/wh-17
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Re: PESO: WH 17

2017-05-24 Thread Chris Mitchell
Very good Dan - and through a canopy too?

They used to make canopies for Hawker Hunters, Harriers and Hawks  in
the aircraft factory where I did my apprenticeship. Very specialised
and I remember seeing a bloody great sheet of hot Perspex being draped
over a greasy wooden mould. It was then subject to a lot of polishing
to make it optically perfect and to remove any distortion - after all,
the pilot ideally would want to see the target / runway in the right
place.. It took many hours.

Chris

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Re: PESO: WH 17

2017-05-24 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Thanks, Bob.  I was in the wingman spot, as he is ahead of us and to the
left.  It is much harder to get a good shot from the lead plane, as it had
to be "over-the-shoulder," and there are obstructions in the canopy in that
direction.


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On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 11:20 AM, Bob Sullivan 
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> Dan,
> Excellent picture.  Are you his wing-man or is he yours?
> Thanks for serving.
> Regards,  Bob S.
>
> On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 8:37 AM, Daniel J. Matyola 
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> >
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> > On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 1:01 AM, Paul Stenquist  >
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> > > Fabulous! A bit of history.
> > >
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> > >
> > > > On May 14, 2017, at 11:10 PM, Daniel J. Matyola <
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> > > wrote:
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> > > >
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Re: PESO: Pointe du Hoc

2017-05-24 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Thanks, Bob

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On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 11:14 AM, Bob Sullivan 
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> Dan,
> Nice photo for the weekend.
> Yesterday I was parked next to a special Silver Star winner plate in the
> Fry's lot.
> His license plate holder was from the 1st Calvary.  Wow!
> I sure remember those days and those guys...from the safety of the USA.
> Regards,  Bob S.
>
> On Thu, Apr 27, 2017 at 10:26 PM, Daniel J. Matyola 
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> > https://www.photo.net/photo/18378722/untitled
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Re: PESO: WH 17

2017-05-24 Thread Bob Sullivan
Dan,
Excellent picture.  Are you his wing-man or is he yours?
Thanks for serving.
Regards,  Bob S.

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>
> On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 1:01 AM, Paul Stenquist 
> wrote:
>
> > Fabulous! A bit of history.
> >
> > Paul via phone
> >
> > > On May 14, 2017, at 11:10 PM, Daniel J. Matyola 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > An image from back in the day:
> > >
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Re: PESO: Pointe du Hoc

2017-05-24 Thread Bob Sullivan
Dan,
Nice photo for the weekend.
Yesterday I was parked next to a special Silver Star winner plate in the
Fry's lot.
His license plate holder was from the 1st Calvary.  Wow!
I sure remember those days and those guys...from the safety of the USA.
Regards,  Bob S.

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handheld long exposures

2017-05-24 Thread Gonz
Anybody try this with the K-1?  Is the Pentax 5-axis image
stabilization this good?

https://petapixel.com/2017/05/23/gorgeous-10-second-milky-way-photo-shot-hand-held/


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Re: OT VESO

2017-05-24 Thread David J Brooks
Funds and space probably would work against them here. We have a
heritage diesel train in Stouffville that does the same thing. Pull to
Uxbridge, push to Stouffvillle

Dave

On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 7:52 AM, Alan C  wrote:
> Shouldn't be too hard to build a turning triangle?
>
> Mind you, the Poms had Push/Pull tank engines.
>
> Alan C
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> -Original Message- From: David J Brooks
> Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 1:02 PM
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>
> only for half the trip, thats how we roll up here
>
> dave
>
> On Tue, May 23, 2017 at 7:35 PM, Ken Waller  wrote:
>>
>> Does it always run bass ackwards ?  (;+>
>>
>> Kenneth Waller
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>> - Original Message - From: "David J Brooks" 
>> Subject: Re: OT VESO
>>
>>
>>
>>> Opps
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=au9iTc6SraA
>>>
>>> Dave
>>>
>>> On Tue, May 23, 2017 at 6:27 PM, Steve Cottrell 
>>> wrote:


 On 23/5/17, David J Brooks, discombobulated, unleashed:

> A short train video from the fuji
>
> https://www.youtube.com/edit?video_id=au9iTc6SraA



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Re: OT VESO

2017-05-24 Thread Alan C

Shouldn't be too hard to build a turning triangle?

Mind you, the Poms had Push/Pull tank engines.

Alan C

-Original Message- 
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Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 1:02 PM
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only for half the trip, thats how we roll up here

dave

On Tue, May 23, 2017 at 7:35 PM, Ken Waller  wrote:

Does it always run bass ackwards ?  (;+>

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- Original Message - From: "David J Brooks" 
Subject: Re: OT VESO




Opps

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=au9iTc6SraA

Dave

On Tue, May 23, 2017 at 6:27 PM, Steve Cottrell 
wrote:


On 23/5/17, David J Brooks, discombobulated, unleashed:


A short train video from the fuji

https://www.youtube.com/edit?video_id=au9iTc6SraA



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Re: OT old school race photography

2017-05-24 Thread Steve Cottrell
On 24/5/17, Larry Colen, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Here's one for John
>

http://blackflag.jalopnik.com/this-photographer-shoots-200-mph-formula-
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Re: OT VESO

2017-05-24 Thread David J Brooks
only for half the trip, thats how we roll up here

dave

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> - Original Message - From: "David J Brooks" 
> Subject: Re: OT VESO
>
>
>
>> Opps
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=au9iTc6SraA
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> On Tue, May 23, 2017 at 6:27 PM, Steve Cottrell 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> On 23/5/17, David J Brooks, discombobulated, unleashed:
>>>
 A short train video from the fuji

 https://www.youtube.com/edit?video_id=au9iTc6SraA
>>>
>>>
>>> Dave, if you just open the video and view it so you're not in 'editing'
>>> mode, then copy the URL into the email, we can see it ;-)
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OT old school race photography

2017-05-24 Thread Larry Colen

Here's one for John

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