Re: Panic
Especially since it's close to being appropriate for a photography group. (27 8x10 color photographs with circles and arrows and a paragraph on the back of each one explaining what each one was to be used as in evidencegainst us.) On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 05:30:56PM -0500, ann sanfedele wrote: > OMG!? Now that's one I should not have missed!? sigh? serious senion moment > time > ann embarrassed > > On 1/12/2018 4:44 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: > > On Fri, 12 Jan 2018 21:17:01 +, you wrote: > > > > > On 12/1/18, John, discombobulated, unleashed: > > > > > > > I said, "Yes, sir, Officer Obie, I cannot tell a lie, I put that > > > > envelope under that garbage." > > > Straight over my head bro. Gimme a clue here > > Arlo Guthrie. Alice's Restaurant. > > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Everything that's trying to kill you
On Sun, Jan 14, 2018 at 09:19:20PM +, Bob W-PDML wrote: > So your bucket list is: live forever. That never ended well for the ancient > Greeks. Well, that's pretty much the point, isn't it? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Re: A bit of excitement yesterday
WCBS just reported that sending the message required a mouse click to invoke the procedure and a second confirmation mouse click. So the the employee did get the "are you sure you want to this" and said, of course I do, and the rest is history. I wasn't implying the US military was involved in any way, just State of Hawaii functionaries who made this error. At a time when a great many people are on edge about some sort of missile attack, possibly for good reason, it's easy to create a panic, looks like at least a minor one was created. Also just having a simple confirmation click, to send an alert message, seems like to little. If I were specifying the software, there'd be a requirement to enter your system user name and password, partly to insure that the person had authorization to be sending the message and partly to trace who sent a bogus message in that event. People think more clearly when they're required to identify themselves on the record before making a stupid mistake. On 1/14/2018 4:47 PM, John wrote: I understood it to be some kind of procedure that is exercised at every shift change to verify the system is functioning properly. Someone got a switch in the wrong position or followed the wrong branch on a checklist and the warning message was sent out live. On 1/14/2018 16:12, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: this was the emergency alert system of the State of Hawaii, and not a federal or military emergency response department. Apparently, it took only one person to push the button or click the software prompt to send out the message. It happened at the change of shifts, so it could have been just an elbow accidentally brushing against a button or a key on the keyboard. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Sun, Jan 14, 2018 at 4:02 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: I was just reading the CNN account, and they seem to have asked the right questions. It's all about peoples reactions. what it should be about is, 1 Where did the false report originate. If it was with an actual responsible official that duty should be removed from them immediately, if not. 2 Who has the task, and or authorization, to actually send out this message? 3 If it is an actual physical button, and not software, and it's must likely software, what safeguards are there against a false alarm being sent. This shouldn't be a matter of pushing just one button or picking a simple software option from a menu. There should be either actual interlocks, (can't actually be locked with a Key, because what if the person with the key isn't available), but there should be reasonable level of "are you sure you want to do this" after the option is chosen. It seems to me that it would take a fair amount of effort to make this happen, given reasonable safeguards. Someone should be fired because they ignored all of that. On 1/14/2018 2:09 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: We are at the beginning of our annual sojourn on Maui. Yesterday, at a little after 8:00 AM, we were having breakfast at a lovely beachfront restaurant All of a sudden my phone started to scream, as did those of my wife, my son and all the other patrons in the restaurant. Picking up my phone, I read: "Emergency alert -- BALLISTIC MISSILE THREAT INBOUND TO HAWAII. SEEK IMMEDIATE SHELTER. THIS IS NOT A DRILL." I looked at it a few times, looked around the room at the other patrons, shrugged and went back to my breakfast. I mean, if it was real, what could one do? go to the basement, so the building could collapse on me? Head up the mountain, where I would be more exposed to blast and radiation from an explosion at Pearl Harbor? Not much would help. After all, if one is to die, why not do it in paradise with a glass of fresh guava juice and Eggs Benedict? All of the other patrons in the restaurant -- probably mostly Canadians -- also shrugged, put their phones down, and continued with breakfast. It took 38 minutes for the "authorities" to issue a retraction through the emergency system. My son was able to find a couple of reliable tweets stating it was a false alarm within about 10 minutes, but still, the delay was inexcusable. Elsewhere in Hawaii, there was real panic. In Honolulu, hospital patients were moved from their beds to the basement. tourists panicked on Waikiki. Children were in tears. The biggest problem is that, if there ever is a real alert, who would believe it. An hour after the event, CNN was covering nothing else. The mistake appears to have been human error, at the level of the state emergency center in the crater of Diamond Head, and even the senior military on Hawaii (who would be the first to know of a real attack) were caught by surprise and confused. On Maui, most were more concerned with the high surf warnings than the ballistic missile warning. A bit of excitement in the midst of the serenity of paradise. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxp
Re: OT GESO: bike ride on a foggy day (3 photos)
thank you Ann, appreciate it... ~subash On Sun, 14 Jan 2018 19:35:26 -0500 ann sanfedele wrote: > I can't rate the bike but the photos are lovely > > ann > > On 1/14/2018 11:29 AM, Chris Mitchell wrote: > > Nice bike and lovely atmospheric shots. > > > > Chris > > > > On 14 January 2018 at 07:53, Subash Jeyan > > wrote: > >> so i got my custom steel bike a month or so back and have been > >> riding it quite regularly. a few photos taken during today's long > >> ride, taken with my cell phone. it was an unually foggy day and, > >> unusually, it remained like that till about 8 am (i start my long > >> rides 4.30-ish :)) > >> > >> https://500px.com/subashjeyan/galleries/aurovelo-rides > >> > >> thanks for looking, > >> > >> ~subash > >> > >> -- > >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > >> PDML@pdml.net > >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above > >> and follow the directions. > >> > > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT GESO: bike ride on a foggy day (3 photos)
thanks Bob, i particularly like the bike. :) ~subash On Sun, 14 Jan 2018 10:10:34 + Bob W-PDML wrote: > Beautiful shots, very atmospheric. I particularly like the first, > showing off the new bike. > > > On 14 Jan 2018, at 07:51, Subash Jeyan wrote: > > > > so i got my custom steel bike a month or so back and have been > > riding it quite regularly. a few photos taken during today's long > > ride, taken with my cell phone. it was an unually foggy day and, > > unusually, it remained like that till about 8 am (i start my long > > rides 4.30-ish :)) > > > > https://500px.com/subashjeyan/galleries/aurovelo-rides > > > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT GESO: bike ride on a foggy day (3 photos)
thank you Chris... ~subash On Sun, 14 Jan 2018 16:29:14 + Chris Mitchell wrote: > Nice bike and lovely atmospheric shots. > > Chris > > On 14 January 2018 at 07:53, Subash Jeyan wrote: > > > so i got my custom steel bike a month or so back and have been > > riding it quite regularly. a few photos taken during today's long > > ride, taken with my cell phone. it was an unually foggy day and, > > unusually, it remained like that till about 8 am (i start my long > > rides 4.30-ish :)) > > > > https://500px.com/subashjeyan/galleries/aurovelo-rides > > > > thanks for looking, > > > > ~subash > > > > -- > > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > > PDML@pdml.net > > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above > > and follow the directions. > > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT GESO: bike ride on a foggy day (3 photos)
thank you Larry. whether it is a valid genre or not, i have done plenty of that, especially on my long motorcycle rides :) ~subash On Sun, 14 Jan 2018 16:47:17 -0800 Larry Colen wrote: > Yes, nice looking bike, and photos as well. I have often taken quite > a few portraits of my bikes and other vehicles when I've been on > trips and consider "my vehicle on a road trip" as a very valid genre > of photo. > > > ann sanfedele wrote: > > I can't rate the bike but the photos are lovely > > > > ann > > > > On 1/14/2018 11:29 AM, Chris Mitchell wrote: > >> Nice bike and lovely atmospheric shots. > >> > >> Chris > >> > >> On 14 January 2018 at 07:53, Subash Jeyan > >> wrote: > >>> so i got my custom steel bike a month or so back and have been > >>> riding it quite regularly. a few photos taken during today's long > >>> ride, taken with my cell phone. it was an unually foggy day and, > >>> unusually, it remained like that till about 8 am (i start my long > >>> rides 4.30-ish :)) > >>> > >>> https://500px.com/subashjeyan/galleries/aurovelo-rides > >>> > >>> thanks for looking, > >>> > >>> ~subash > >>> > >>> -- > >>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > >>> PDML@pdml.net > >>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > >>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly > >>> above and follow the directions. > >>> > > > > > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Multiple takes of group photos (thinking out loud)
With one group, I started doing a "zombie photo" of the group as an inside joke. I eventually noticed that after doing something silly, people would always look more relaxed and happy in regular group photos after doing something silly or cheering to get the group energy up. The important thing is to make sure that everybody understands that it is time to stop doing the silly things for the "serious" photo. Similarly, when doing portraits of a couple, I noticed that they just wouldn't/couldn't relax, so I had them make out for a bit, and that was great for getting them in a happier more relaxed mood. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com (postbox on min4est) http://red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: A bit of excitement yesterday
I was waiting for your report on this! Also, I have a friend in Honolulu who is due here for a visit this coming week -I'm sure he and his wife will have a couple of stories. It is pretty shocking. ann On 1/14/2018 2:09 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: We are at the beginning of our annual sojourn on Maui. Yesterday, at a little after 8:00 AM, we were having breakfast at a lovely beachfront restaurant All of a sudden my phone started to scream, as did those of my wife, my son and all the other patrons in the restaurant. Picking up my phone, I read: "Emergency alert -- BALLISTIC MISSILE THREAT INBOUND TO HAWAII. SEEK IMMEDIATE SHELTER. THIS IS NOT A DRILL." I looked at it a few times, looked around the room at the other patrons, shrugged and went back to my breakfast. I mean, if it was real, what could one do? go to the basement, so the building could collapse on me? Head up the mountain, where I would be more exposed to blast and radiation from an explosion at Pearl Harbor? Not much would help. After all, if one is to die, why not do it in paradise with a glass of fresh guava juice and Eggs Benedict? All of the other patrons in the restaurant -- probably mostly Canadians -- also shrugged, put their phones down, and continued with breakfast. It took 38 minutes for the "authorities" to issue a retraction through the emergency system. My son was able to find a couple of reliable tweets stating it was a false alarm within about 10 minutes, but still, the delay was inexcusable. Elsewhere in Hawaii, there was real panic. In Honolulu, hospital patients were moved from their beds to the basement. tourists panicked on Waikiki. Children were in tears. The biggest problem is that, if there ever is a real alert, who would believe it. An hour after the event, CNN was covering nothing else. The mistake appears to have been human error, at the level of the state emergency center in the crater of Diamond Head, and even the senior military on Hawaii (who would be the first to know of a real attack) were caught by surprise and confused. On Maui, most were more concerned with the high surf warnings than the ballistic missile warning. A bit of excitement in the midst of the serenity of paradise. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Multiple takes of group photos (thinking out loud)
Well I have a huge problem with glare, personally...so I'm extra sensitive to any bright light especially if it flashes for only a second... But I'm not the only one with the problem. i'm pretty much anti flash from an aesthetic standpoint too , I confess. I would still suggest that anyone taking a group shot of the elderly refrain from using direct flash.. even if it would cause not long lasting effects, it is painful in the moment. to give you an idea of what I suffer from, I blow out candles in restaurants or move them to another table because of the glare... it is the contrast between light and dark. ann On 1/14/2018 12:28 PM, Jos de Fotograaf wrote: Ann, Large groups, flash will be at distance, out doors it is just to get the twinkle in the eye, indoors the flash is not very strong or with large diffuser like umbrella, modern sensors see much more light than the human eye! No worries about poor eyes! Greetz, Jos On 14-Jan-18 01:04, ann sanfedele wrote: Jos, I really hope you don't ask people to look at your flash gun.. this is NOT good for eyes, especially elderly ones! If you must use artificial light, bounce the flash, please... Flash is hardly necessary for posed group shtos these days.. better to up your ISO ann On 1/13/2018 6:25 PM, Jos de Fotograaf wrote: To improve the success rate with large groups I follow some advises: * I tell them to go closer to each other. CLOSER! * You must see my lens with both eyes, otherwise you are covered partly * If there is a flashgun I tell them to see the flash with both eyes otherwise there will be a shadow on your face * While shooting, Speak to them to keep attention (jokes and/or compliments) Greetz, Jos On 13-Jan-18 22:48, Igor PDML-StR wrote: Occasionally I am asked to take a group photo. Every time I am choosing the best (or even usable) photo from the set, I am struggling with finding one. The reason is that at any given moment someone takes less then the best pose, facial expression, ... So, you end up with one photo where it's better for one person, and another one for another person... So, I've been thinking about some empirical formula for the number of photos I need to take to ensure I could choose one where everybody is OK. When I have 1 person, the first photo will be bad, so, I need to take an extra (or two). So, for 1 person: 1+1 (or 1+2) photos. For 2 people I will have about two bad ones (one for each), so, 2+1 (or 2+2). ... One might think that for N people, I'd need N+1 (or N+2)... But that's wrong, because in addition to everybody having individual bad moments, I will have a combination of bad poses in more then one person, plus, people getting distracted when the crowd grows close to 10 and above. The deduction and combinatorics does not seem to work well here, but I suspect that statistically, I'd need N^2+1 or even N!+1 (where N!=1*2*3*...*N) to optimize the probability of finding one photo where everybody looks fine. Ghm... Igor -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT GESO: bike ride on a foggy day (3 photos)
Yes, nice looking bike, and photos as well. I have often taken quite a few portraits of my bikes and other vehicles when I've been on trips and consider "my vehicle on a road trip" as a very valid genre of photo. ann sanfedele wrote: I can't rate the bike but the photos are lovely ann On 1/14/2018 11:29 AM, Chris Mitchell wrote: Nice bike and lovely atmospheric shots. Chris On 14 January 2018 at 07:53, Subash Jeyan wrote: so i got my custom steel bike a month or so back and have been riding it quite regularly. a few photos taken during today's long ride, taken with my cell phone. it was an unually foggy day and, unusually, it remained like that till about 8 am (i start my long rides 4.30-ish :)) https://500px.com/subashjeyan/galleries/aurovelo-rides thanks for looking, ~subash -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com (postbox on min4est) http://red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT GESO: bike ride on a foggy day (3 photos)
I can't rate the bike but the photos are lovely ann On 1/14/2018 11:29 AM, Chris Mitchell wrote: Nice bike and lovely atmospheric shots. Chris On 14 January 2018 at 07:53, Subash Jeyan wrote: so i got my custom steel bike a month or so back and have been riding it quite regularly. a few photos taken during today's long ride, taken with my cell phone. it was an unually foggy day and, unusually, it remained like that till about 8 am (i start my long rides 4.30-ish :)) https://500px.com/subashjeyan/galleries/aurovelo-rides thanks for looking, ~subash -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Everything that's trying to kill you
I'm not planning to live forever, I just don't want to have an identifiable end date... On 1/14/2018 4:19 PM, Bob W-PDML wrote: So your bucket list is: live forever. That never ended well for the ancient Greeks. On 14 Jan 2018, at 20:40, P. J. Alling wrote: In that case, having a cannot be fulfilled by any means, item on the list would serve the same purpose... On 1/14/2018 3:31 PM, Marnie (aka Doe) wrote: Those people obviously didn't understand the concept of a bucket list. It's supposed to be, I really can't die before I finish my list, which means carefully adding to the list as needed to keep it just about as long as before. On 1/14/2018 12:13 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: Considering that the monkeys are proliferating, wouldn't it behoove you to move it to the top, before they're even more of a threat? Personally I'm proud to not have a bucket list, I'm a take life as it comes kind of guy, plus everyone I know who's had a must do before I die project, did so, very soon after it was completed. -- America wasn't founded so that we could all be better. America was founded so we could all be anything we damn well please. - P.J. O'Rourke -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: A bit of excitement yesterday
Probably best to just ignore these things and make a nice cup of tea, unless at least one of the following is true 1) the person who pressed the button is obsessed with preserving the purity of the nation's precious bodily fluids 2) you can hear someone screaming "Tora! Tora! Tora!" B > On 14 Jan 2018, at 21:48, John wrote: > > I understood it to be some kind of procedure that is exercised at every shift > change to verify the system is functioning properly. Someone got a switch in > the wrong position or followed the wrong branch on a checklist and the > warning message was sent out live. > >> On 1/14/2018 16:12, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: >> this was the emergency alert system of the State of Hawaii, and not a >> federal or military emergency response department. >> Apparently, it took only one person to push the button or click the >> software prompt to send out the message. It happened at the change of >> shifts, so it could have been just an elbow accidentally brushing against a >> button or a key on the keyboard. >> Dan Matyola >> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola >> On Sun, Jan 14, 2018 at 4:02 PM, P. J. Alling >> wrote: >>> I was just reading the CNN account, and they seem to have asked the right >>> questions. It's all about peoples reactions. what it should be about is, >>> >>> 1 Where did the false report originate. If it was with an actual >>> responsible official that duty should be removed from them immediately, if >>> not. >>> >>> 2 Who has the task, and or authorization, to actually send out this >>> message? >>> >>> 3 If it is an actual physical button, and not software, and it's must >>> likely software, what safeguards are there against a false alarm being sent. >>> >>> This shouldn't be a matter of pushing just one button or picking a simple >>> software option from a menu. There should be either actual interlocks, >>> (can't actually be locked with a Key, because what if the person with the >>> key isn't available), but there should be reasonable level of "are you sure >>> you want to do this" after the option is chosen. >>> >>> It seems to me that it would take a fair amount of effort to make this >>> happen, given reasonable safeguards. Someone should be fired because they >>> ignored all of that. >>> >>> >>> On 1/14/2018 2:09 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: We are at the beginning of our annual sojourn on Maui. Yesterday, at a little after 8:00 AM, we were having breakfast at a lovely beachfront restaurant All of a sudden my phone started to scream, as did those of my wife, my son and all the other patrons in the restaurant. Picking up my phone, I read: "Emergency alert -- BALLISTIC MISSILE THREAT INBOUND TO HAWAII. SEEK IMMEDIATE SHELTER. THIS IS NOT A DRILL." I looked at it a few times, looked around the room at the other patrons, shrugged and went back to my breakfast. I mean, if it was real, what could one do? go to the basement, so the building could collapse on me? Head up the mountain, where I would be more exposed to blast and radiation from an explosion at Pearl Harbor? Not much would help. After all, if one is to die, why not do it in paradise with a glass of fresh guava juice and Eggs Benedict? All of the other patrons in the restaurant -- probably mostly Canadians -- also shrugged, put their phones down, and continued with breakfast. It took 38 minutes for the "authorities" to issue a retraction through the emergency system. My son was able to find a couple of reliable tweets stating it was a false alarm within about 10 minutes, but still, the delay was inexcusable. Elsewhere in Hawaii, there was real panic. In Honolulu, hospital patients were moved from their beds to the basement. tourists panicked on Waikiki. Children were in tears. The biggest problem is that, if there ever is a real alert, who would believe it. An hour after the event, CNN was covering nothing else. The mistake appears to have been human error, at the level of the state emergency center in the crater of Diamond Head, and even the senior military on Hawaii (who would be the first to know of a real attack) were caught by surprise and confused. On Maui, most were more concerned with the high surf warnings than the ballistic missile warning. A bit of excitement in the midst of the serenity of paradise. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola >>> >>> -- >>> America wasn't founded so that we could all be better. >>> America was founded so we could all be anything we damn well please. >>> - P.J. O'Rourke >>> > > -- > Science - Questions we may never find answers for. > Religion - Answers we must never question. > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http:/
Re: A bit of excitement yesterday
I understood it to be some kind of procedure that is exercised at every shift change to verify the system is functioning properly. Someone got a switch in the wrong position or followed the wrong branch on a checklist and the warning message was sent out live. On 1/14/2018 16:12, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: this was the emergency alert system of the State of Hawaii, and not a federal or military emergency response department. Apparently, it took only one person to push the button or click the software prompt to send out the message. It happened at the change of shifts, so it could have been just an elbow accidentally brushing against a button or a key on the keyboard. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Sun, Jan 14, 2018 at 4:02 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: I was just reading the CNN account, and they seem to have asked the right questions. It's all about peoples reactions. what it should be about is, 1 Where did the false report originate. If it was with an actual responsible official that duty should be removed from them immediately, if not. 2 Who has the task, and or authorization, to actually send out this message? 3 If it is an actual physical button, and not software, and it's must likely software, what safeguards are there against a false alarm being sent. This shouldn't be a matter of pushing just one button or picking a simple software option from a menu. There should be either actual interlocks, (can't actually be locked with a Key, because what if the person with the key isn't available), but there should be reasonable level of "are you sure you want to do this" after the option is chosen. It seems to me that it would take a fair amount of effort to make this happen, given reasonable safeguards. Someone should be fired because they ignored all of that. On 1/14/2018 2:09 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: We are at the beginning of our annual sojourn on Maui. Yesterday, at a little after 8:00 AM, we were having breakfast at a lovely beachfront restaurant All of a sudden my phone started to scream, as did those of my wife, my son and all the other patrons in the restaurant. Picking up my phone, I read: "Emergency alert -- BALLISTIC MISSILE THREAT INBOUND TO HAWAII. SEEK IMMEDIATE SHELTER. THIS IS NOT A DRILL." I looked at it a few times, looked around the room at the other patrons, shrugged and went back to my breakfast. I mean, if it was real, what could one do? go to the basement, so the building could collapse on me? Head up the mountain, where I would be more exposed to blast and radiation from an explosion at Pearl Harbor? Not much would help. After all, if one is to die, why not do it in paradise with a glass of fresh guava juice and Eggs Benedict? All of the other patrons in the restaurant -- probably mostly Canadians -- also shrugged, put their phones down, and continued with breakfast. It took 38 minutes for the "authorities" to issue a retraction through the emergency system. My son was able to find a couple of reliable tweets stating it was a false alarm within about 10 minutes, but still, the delay was inexcusable. Elsewhere in Hawaii, there was real panic. In Honolulu, hospital patients were moved from their beds to the basement. tourists panicked on Waikiki. Children were in tears. The biggest problem is that, if there ever is a real alert, who would believe it. An hour after the event, CNN was covering nothing else. The mistake appears to have been human error, at the level of the state emergency center in the crater of Diamond Head, and even the senior military on Hawaii (who would be the first to know of a real attack) were caught by surprise and confused. On Maui, most were more concerned with the high surf warnings than the ballistic missile warning. A bit of excitement in the midst of the serenity of paradise. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola -- America wasn't founded so that we could all be better. America was founded so we could all be anything we damn well please. - P.J. O'Rourke -- Science - Questions we may never find answers for. Religion - Answers we must never question. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: NOT HAPPY!
I've already looked on-line and found a site that refurbishes them. They have a detailed photo-guide showing just how they go about it. It shows a complete disassembly & cleaning. It's detailed enough I will probably have a go at cleaning it myself. A good refurbished IBM Type M looks to be going for around $120 on the inter-webs and NOS "still in the box" can range as high as $250. I bought a dozen of them back in 2000 for $2 apiece. Now I wish I'd bought two dozen. On 1/14/2018 13:21, P. J. Alling wrote: I was going to suggest that you hang the keyboard under a shower head for several minutes to rinse out all the coffee, then rinse it in distilled water, shake as much water out as possible, and let it air dry for several days before trying it. That might work. On 1/14/2018 11:24 AM, Mat Maessen wrote: On Sun, Jan 14, 2018 at 1:02 AM, John wrote: I had to dig out my last spare, brand new in the box, Genuine IBM Model M keyboard to replace it. You can wash a genuine IBM Type M in a dishwasher. Just make sure you don't use a heated drying cycle. Let it air-dry for several days before trying to use it again. -Mat -- Science - Questions we may never find answers for. Religion - Answers we must never question. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: NOT HAPPY!
On 1/14/2018 14:13, Bruce Nagel wrote: On Sun, Jan 14, 2018 at 02:51:10AM -0500, pdml-requ...@pdml.net wrote: Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2018 01:02:55 -0500 From: John To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: NOT HAPPY! Message-ID: <717d6a36-b8de-4c02-bbf5-78ca697d5...@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed If you've managed to kill that many Model M's there must be some sort of dubious prize out there somewhere waiting for you. Those things are built like frakking *tanks*! Bruce N. I'm pretty sure this is only the second one I spilled coffee in. Third one at most. I didn't know back then about being able to clean it & dry it out so it could be made workable again. Hell, I didn't even know that last night until I started looking for replacements. It may not be beyond resurrection. Most of them I used to build computers for my mom and other family members and/or as replacements for family & friends when one of them trashed a keyboard. If I'd known, I'd have recovered the keyboards when those computers got replaced. Baxter the cat jumped off my shoulder onto my desk and knocked a full cup of coffee over into my keyboard. She's gone off to sulk because she didn't like being scooped up and moved out of the way so I could try to dry the keyboard with towels. Cat's alright (other than some hurt feelings) but the keyboard is DEAD! I had to dig out my last spare, brand new in the box, Genuine IBM Model M keyboard to replace it. I should have bought more than a dozen way back when. -- Science - Questions we may never find answers for. Religion - Answers we must never question. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: A bit of excitement yesterday
Then the software is seriously flawed. It's more difficult to delete a file on a MS Windows or for that matter an Android OS device than sending out a message that could cause wide spread panic in Hawaii's system, with possible deaths involved. Hell to simply get a cash disbursement from almost any financial software requires multiple authorizations which need to be verified by the user. So the employee shouldn't be fired, the person who authorized the software interface should be fired, but unfortunately incompetence at that level seems to be well protected. On 1/14/2018 4:12 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: this was the emergency alert system of the State of Hawaii, and not a federal or military emergency response department. Apparently, it took only one person to push the button or click the software prompt to send out the message. It happened at the change of shifts, so it could have been just an elbow accidentally brushing against a button or a key on the keyboard. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Sun, Jan 14, 2018 at 4:02 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: I was just reading the CNN account, and they seem to have asked the right questions. It's all about peoples reactions. what it should be about is, 1 Where did the false report originate. If it was with an actual responsible official that duty should be removed from them immediately, if not. 2 Who has the task, and or authorization, to actually send out this message? 3 If it is an actual physical button, and not software, and it's must likely software, what safeguards are there against a false alarm being sent. This shouldn't be a matter of pushing just one button or picking a simple software option from a menu. There should be either actual interlocks, (can't actually be locked with a Key, because what if the person with the key isn't available), but there should be reasonable level of "are you sure you want to do this" after the option is chosen. It seems to me that it would take a fair amount of effort to make this happen, given reasonable safeguards. Someone should be fired because they ignored all of that. On 1/14/2018 2:09 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: We are at the beginning of our annual sojourn on Maui. Yesterday, at a little after 8:00 AM, we were having breakfast at a lovely beachfront restaurant All of a sudden my phone started to scream, as did those of my wife, my son and all the other patrons in the restaurant. Picking up my phone, I read: "Emergency alert -- BALLISTIC MISSILE THREAT INBOUND TO HAWAII. SEEK IMMEDIATE SHELTER. THIS IS NOT A DRILL." I looked at it a few times, looked around the room at the other patrons, shrugged and went back to my breakfast. I mean, if it was real, what could one do? go to the basement, so the building could collapse on me? Head up the mountain, where I would be more exposed to blast and radiation from an explosion at Pearl Harbor? Not much would help. After all, if one is to die, why not do it in paradise with a glass of fresh guava juice and Eggs Benedict? All of the other patrons in the restaurant -- probably mostly Canadians -- also shrugged, put their phones down, and continued with breakfast. It took 38 minutes for the "authorities" to issue a retraction through the emergency system. My son was able to find a couple of reliable tweets stating it was a false alarm within about 10 minutes, but still, the delay was inexcusable. Elsewhere in Hawaii, there was real panic. In Honolulu, hospital patients were moved from their beds to the basement. tourists panicked on Waikiki. Children were in tears. The biggest problem is that, if there ever is a real alert, who would believe it. An hour after the event, CNN was covering nothing else. The mistake appears to have been human error, at the level of the state emergency center in the crater of Diamond Head, and even the senior military on Hawaii (who would be the first to know of a real attack) were caught by surprise and confused. On Maui, most were more concerned with the high surf warnings than the ballistic missile warning. A bit of excitement in the midst of the serenity of paradise. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola -- America wasn't founded so that we could all be better. America was founded so we could all be anything we damn well please. - P.J. O'Rourke -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- America wasn't founded so that we could all be better. America was founded so we could all be anything we damn well please. - P.J. O'Rourke -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: A bit of excitement yesterday
That should be *not* asked the right questions... Just in case anyone wonders, I think they're a terrible news organization, but then again every news organization is a terrible today. All any of these people seem to do is regurgitate the official release, sometimes questioning but seldom asking a followup question of any relevance. On 1/14/2018 4:02 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: I was just reading the CNN account, and they seem to have asked the right questions. It's all about peoples reactions. what it should be about is, 1 Where did the false report originate. If it was with an actual responsible official that duty should be removed from them immediately, if not. 2 Who has the task, and or authorization, to actually send out this message? 3 If it is an actual physical button, and not software, and it's must likely software, what safeguards are there against a false alarm being sent. This shouldn't be a matter of pushing just one button or picking a simple software option from a menu. There should be either actual interlocks, (can't actually be locked with a Key, because what if the person with the key isn't available), but there should be reasonable level of "are you sure you want to do this" after the option is chosen. It seems to me that it would take a fair amount of effort to make this happen, given reasonable safeguards. Someone should be fired because they ignored all of that. On 1/14/2018 2:09 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: We are at the beginning of our annual sojourn on Maui. Yesterday, at a little after 8:00 AM, we were having breakfast at a lovely beachfront restaurant All of a sudden my phone started to scream, as did those of my wife, my son and all the other patrons in the restaurant. Picking up my phone, I read: "Emergency alert -- BALLISTIC MISSILE THREAT INBOUND TO HAWAII. SEEK IMMEDIATE SHELTER. THIS IS NOT A DRILL." I looked at it a few times, looked around the room at the other patrons, shrugged and went back to my breakfast. I mean, if it was real, what could one do? go to the basement, so the building could collapse on me? Head up the mountain, where I would be more exposed to blast and radiation from an explosion at Pearl Harbor? Not much would help. After all, if one is to die, why not do it in paradise with a glass of fresh guava juice and Eggs Benedict? All of the other patrons in the restaurant -- probably mostly Canadians -- also shrugged, put their phones down, and continued with breakfast. It took 38 minutes for the "authorities" to issue a retraction through the emergency system. My son was able to find a couple of reliable tweets stating it was a false alarm within about 10 minutes, but still, the delay was inexcusable. Elsewhere in Hawaii, there was real panic. In Honolulu, hospital patients were moved from their beds to the basement. tourists panicked on Waikiki. Children were in tears. The biggest problem is that, if there ever is a real alert, who would believe it. An hour after the event, CNN was covering nothing else. The mistake appears to have been human error, at the level of the state emergency center in the crater of Diamond Head, and even the senior military on Hawaii (who would be the first to know of a real attack) were caught by surprise and confused. On Maui, most were more concerned with the high surf warnings than the ballistic missile warning. A bit of excitement in the midst of the serenity of paradise. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola -- America wasn't founded so that we could all be better. America was founded so we could all be anything we damn well please. - P.J. O'Rourke -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Everything that's trying to kill you
So your bucket list is: live forever. That never ended well for the ancient Greeks. > On 14 Jan 2018, at 20:40, P. J. Alling wrote: > > In that case, having a cannot be fulfilled by any means, item on the list > would serve the same purpose... > > >> On 1/14/2018 3:31 PM, Marnie (aka Doe) wrote: >> Those people obviously didn't understand the concept of a bucket list. It's >> supposed to be, I really can't die before I finish my list, which means >> carefully adding to the list as needed to keep it just about as long as >> before. >> >>> On 1/14/2018 12:13 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: >>> Considering that the monkeys are proliferating, wouldn't it behoove you to >>> move it to the top, before they're even more of a threat? Personally I'm >>> proud to not have a bucket list, I'm a take life as it comes kind of guy, >>> plus everyone I know who's had a must do before I die project, did so, very >>> soon after it was completed. >> > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: A bit of excitement yesterday
this was the emergency alert system of the State of Hawaii, and not a federal or military emergency response department. Apparently, it took only one person to push the button or click the software prompt to send out the message. It happened at the change of shifts, so it could have been just an elbow accidentally brushing against a button or a key on the keyboard. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Sun, Jan 14, 2018 at 4:02 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: > I was just reading the CNN account, and they seem to have asked the right > questions. It's all about peoples reactions. what it should be about is, > > 1 Where did the false report originate. If it was with an actual > responsible official that duty should be removed from them immediately, if > not. > > 2 Who has the task, and or authorization, to actually send out this > message? > > 3 If it is an actual physical button, and not software, and it's must > likely software, what safeguards are there against a false alarm being sent. > > This shouldn't be a matter of pushing just one button or picking a simple > software option from a menu. There should be either actual interlocks, > (can't actually be locked with a Key, because what if the person with the > key isn't available), but there should be reasonable level of "are you sure > you want to do this" after the option is chosen. > > It seems to me that it would take a fair amount of effort to make this > happen, given reasonable safeguards. Someone should be fired because they > ignored all of that. > > > > On 1/14/2018 2:09 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: > >> We are at the beginning of our annual sojourn on Maui. >> >> Yesterday, at a little after 8:00 AM, we were having breakfast at a lovely >> beachfront restaurant All of a sudden my phone started to scream, as did >> those of my wife, my son and all the other patrons in the restaurant. >> Picking up my phone, I read: "Emergency alert -- BALLISTIC MISSILE >> THREAT >> INBOUND TO HAWAII. SEEK IMMEDIATE SHELTER. THIS IS NOT A DRILL." >> >> I looked at it a few times, looked around the room at the other patrons, >> shrugged and went back to my breakfast. I mean, if it was real, what >> could >> one do? go to the basement, so the building could collapse on me? Head >> up >> the mountain, where I would be more exposed to blast and radiation from an >> explosion at Pearl Harbor? Not much would help. After all, if one is to >> die, why not do it in paradise with a glass of fresh guava juice and Eggs >> Benedict? >> >> All of the other patrons in the restaurant -- probably mostly Canadians -- >> also shrugged, put their phones down, and continued with breakfast. >> >> It took 38 minutes for the "authorities" to issue a retraction through the >> emergency system. My son was able to find a couple of reliable tweets >> stating it was a false alarm within about 10 minutes, but still, the delay >> was inexcusable. >> >> Elsewhere in Hawaii, there was real panic. In Honolulu, hospital patients >> were moved from their beds to the basement. tourists panicked on Waikiki. >> Children were in tears. The biggest problem is that, if there ever is a >> real alert, who would believe it. >> >> An hour after the event, CNN was covering nothing else. The mistake >> appears to have been human error, at the level of the state emergency >> center in the crater of Diamond Head, and even the senior military on >> Hawaii (who would be the first to know of a real attack) were caught by >> surprise and confused. >> >> On Maui, most were more concerned with the high surf warnings than the >> ballistic missile warning. >> >> A bit of excitement in the midst of the serenity of paradise. >> >> >> Dan Matyola >> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola >> > > -- > America wasn't founded so that we could all be better. > America was founded so we could all be anything we damn well please. > - P.J. O'Rourke > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: A bit of excitement yesterday
I was just reading the CNN account, and they seem to have asked the right questions. It's all about peoples reactions. what it should be about is, 1 Where did the false report originate. If it was with an actual responsible official that duty should be removed from them immediately, if not. 2 Who has the task, and or authorization, to actually send out this message? 3 If it is an actual physical button, and not software, and it's must likely software, what safeguards are there against a false alarm being sent. This shouldn't be a matter of pushing just one button or picking a simple software option from a menu. There should be either actual interlocks, (can't actually be locked with a Key, because what if the person with the key isn't available), but there should be reasonable level of "are you sure you want to do this" after the option is chosen. It seems to me that it would take a fair amount of effort to make this happen, given reasonable safeguards. Someone should be fired because they ignored all of that. On 1/14/2018 2:09 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: We are at the beginning of our annual sojourn on Maui. Yesterday, at a little after 8:00 AM, we were having breakfast at a lovely beachfront restaurant All of a sudden my phone started to scream, as did those of my wife, my son and all the other patrons in the restaurant. Picking up my phone, I read: "Emergency alert -- BALLISTIC MISSILE THREAT INBOUND TO HAWAII. SEEK IMMEDIATE SHELTER. THIS IS NOT A DRILL." I looked at it a few times, looked around the room at the other patrons, shrugged and went back to my breakfast. I mean, if it was real, what could one do? go to the basement, so the building could collapse on me? Head up the mountain, where I would be more exposed to blast and radiation from an explosion at Pearl Harbor? Not much would help. After all, if one is to die, why not do it in paradise with a glass of fresh guava juice and Eggs Benedict? All of the other patrons in the restaurant -- probably mostly Canadians -- also shrugged, put their phones down, and continued with breakfast. It took 38 minutes for the "authorities" to issue a retraction through the emergency system. My son was able to find a couple of reliable tweets stating it was a false alarm within about 10 minutes, but still, the delay was inexcusable. Elsewhere in Hawaii, there was real panic. In Honolulu, hospital patients were moved from their beds to the basement. tourists panicked on Waikiki. Children were in tears. The biggest problem is that, if there ever is a real alert, who would believe it. An hour after the event, CNN was covering nothing else. The mistake appears to have been human error, at the level of the state emergency center in the crater of Diamond Head, and even the senior military on Hawaii (who would be the first to know of a real attack) were caught by surprise and confused. On Maui, most were more concerned with the high surf warnings than the ballistic missile warning. A bit of excitement in the midst of the serenity of paradise. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola -- America wasn't founded so that we could all be better. America was founded so we could all be anything we damn well please. - P.J. O'Rourke -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Everything that's trying to kill you
In that case, having a cannot be fulfilled by any means, item on the list would serve the same purpose... On 1/14/2018 3:31 PM, Marnie (aka Doe) wrote: Those people obviously didn't understand the concept of a bucket list. It's supposed to be, I really can't die before I finish my list, which means carefully adding to the list as needed to keep it just about as long as before. On 1/14/2018 12:13 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: Considering that the monkeys are proliferating, wouldn't it behoove you to move it to the top, before they're even more of a threat? Personally I'm proud to not have a bucket list, I'm a take life as it comes kind of guy, plus everyone I know who's had a must do before I die project, did so, very soon after it was completed. -- America wasn't founded so that we could all be better. America was founded so we could all be anything we damn well please. - P.J. O'Rourke -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Cactus Glow
That's almost other worldly, or someone just shot them with a phaser and they're about to evaporate... On 1/9/2018 4:11 PM, Marnie (aka Doe) wrote: I returned with a friend to Ruth Bancroft Garden, cacti and succulents, Dec. 2017. Last time we had been was in 2012. First time is was mid-day, this time it was late afternoon. Which turned out to beneficial. I never feel I take as good shots when I am with someone. In addition to the distraction, there is a feeling of being pressed for time. But, on the other hand, with someone I go places I don't normally go. Probably show a few more then do a GESO. http://mapphotography.org/PAWS/pages/cactusglow.htm Comments welcome. Marnie aka Doe :-) -- America wasn't founded so that we could all be better. America was founded so we could all be anything we damn well please. - P.J. O'Rourke -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: A bit of excitement yesterday
> On 14 January 2018 at 19:09 "Daniel J. Matyola" wrote: > After all, if one is to > die, why not do it in paradise with a glass of fresh guava juice and Eggs > Benedict? I suppose, if there are no Maquacs around -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Everything that's trying to kill you
Those people obviously didn't understand the concept of a bucket list. It's supposed to be, I really can't die before I finish my list, which means carefully adding to the list as needed to keep it just about as long as before. On 1/14/2018 12:13 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: Considering that the monkeys are proliferating, wouldn't it behoove you to move it to the top, before they're even more of a threat? Personally I'm proud to not have a bucket list, I'm a take life as it comes kind of guy, plus everyone I know who's had a must do before I die project, did so, very soon after it was completed. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Multiple takes of group photos (thinking out loud)
With dogs I think you have to go with a factorial... On 1/13/2018 8:13 PM, John Coyle wrote: Others will be better mathematicians than I am, but I might suggest N^N-1, based on my own experience, especially when dogs are included! John in Brisbane -Original Message- From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Igor PDML-StR Sent: Sunday, 14 January 2018 7:48 AM To: PDML@pdml.net Subject: Multiple takes of group photos (thinking out loud) Occasionally I am asked to take a group photo. Every time I am choosing the best (or even usable) photo from the set, I am struggling with finding one. The reason is that at any given moment someone takes less then the best pose, facial expression, ... So, you end up with one photo where it's better for one person, and another one for another person... So, I've been thinking about some empirical formula for the number of photos I need to take to ensure I could choose one where everybody is OK. When I have 1 person, the first photo will be bad, so, I need to take an extra (or two). So, for 1 person: 1+1 (or 1+2) photos. For 2 people I will have about two bad ones (one for each), so, 2+1 (or 2+2). ... One might think that for N people, I'd need N+1 (or N+2)... But that's wrong, because in addition to everybody having individual bad moments, I will have a combination of bad poses in more then one person, plus, people getting distracted when the crowd grows close to 10 and above. The deduction and combinatorics does not seem to work well here, but I suspect that statistically, I'd need N^2+1 or even N!+1 (where N!=1*2*3*...*N) to optimize the probability of finding one photo where everybody looks fine. Ghm... Igor -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- America wasn't founded so that we could all be better. America was founded so we could all be anything we damn well please. - P.J. O'Rourke -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - After the Ice Storm
You got Ice? We only got rain, you're so "lucky". On 1/12/2018 10:19 PM, Rick Womer wrote: In Connecticut, two days before Christmas. Fun driving… https://d6d2h4gfvy8t8.cloudfront.net/18450609-orig.jpg (K-5, DA 17-70) Comments appreciated! Rick P.S. There were some lovely scenes in the recent near 0F/-18C weather here; but I wasn’t in the mood to stop and fumble with my camera as I walked to and from work. Call me a wimp. -- America wasn't founded so that we could all be better. America was founded so we could all be anything we damn well please. - P.J. O'Rourke -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Everything that's trying to kill you
> On 14 January 2018 at 20:21 "P. J. Alling" wrote: > > > I think that the PDML damages the human brain, does that mean that he > follows this list too? (and if he did, what would his posts be like)? Sad! > > > On 1/13/2018 5:07 AM, Ralf R Radermacher wrote: > > Am 12.01.18 um 18:46 schrieb John: > > > >> Add to the list the wild monkeys at Silver Springs State Park in > >> Florida. > >> > >> https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/24/2/17-1439_article > > > > Press reports over here suggest that this virus damages the human > > brain. Isn't Trump's golf resort also in Florida? That might explain a > > lot... > > > > Ralf > > > > -- > America wasn't founded so that we could all be better. > America was founded so we could all be anything we damn well please. > - P.J. O'Rourke > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Everything that's trying to kill you
I think that the PDML damages the human brain, does that mean that he follows this list too? (and if he did, what would his posts be like)? On 1/13/2018 5:07 AM, Ralf R Radermacher wrote: Am 12.01.18 um 18:46 schrieb John: Add to the list the wild monkeys at Silver Springs State Park in Florida. https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/24/2/17-1439_article Press reports over here suggest that this virus damages the human brain. Isn't Trump's golf resort also in Florida? That might explain a lot... Ralf -- America wasn't founded so that we could all be better. America was founded so we could all be anything we damn well please. - P.J. O'Rourke -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Everything that's trying to kill you
Kiss a macaque, I'd imagine... On 1/12/2018 6:18 PM, Bill wrote: On 1/12/2018 3:29 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: On Fri, 12 Jan 2018 21:16:19 +, you wrote: Just checked my bucket list and 'fuck a macaque' is already quite close to the bottom. Well, the 2018 quotations list is already off to a flying start. I'd be interested to know what is below fucking a macaque. -- America wasn't founded so that we could all be better. America was founded so we could all be anything we damn well please. - P.J. O'Rourke -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - After the Ice Storm
I like it! Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 10:19 PM, Rick Womer wrote: > In Connecticut, two days before Christmas. Fun driving… > > https://d6d2h4gfvy8t8.cloudfront.net/18450609-orig.jpg > > (K-5, DA 17-70) > > Comments appreciated! > > Rick > > > P.S. There were some lovely scenes in the recent near 0F/-18C weather > here; but I wasn’t in the mood to stop and fumble with my camera as I > walked to and from work. Call me a wimp. > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Everything that's trying to kill you
Considering that the monkeys are proliferating, wouldn't it behoove you to move it to the top, before they're even more of a threat? Personally I'm proud to not have a bucket list, I'm a take life as it comes kind of guy, plus everyone I know who's had a must do before I die project, did so, very soon after it was completed. On 1/12/2018 12:46 PM, John wrote: On 11/29/2017 15:11, Bob W-PDML wrote: Just in case you need a sick note for work: http://apps.who.int/classifications/icd10/browse/2016/en#/XX Cleaning out the inbox and ran across this ... Add to the list the wild monkeys at Silver Springs State Park in Florida. https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/24/2/17-1439_article If Silver Springs is on your "bucket list", might want to move it down to the bottom. -- America wasn't founded so that we could all be better. America was founded so we could all be anything we damn well please. - P.J. O'Rourke -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Panic
He did sing it in the live performance we saw, several years back. He must be tired of it by now. :( We also saw I live concert by the Oak Ridge Buys a few years ago. They had gone back to their Gospel roots, and the entire first act was gospel, mostly new compositions. After intermission, they came out, thanked the audience for its patience in letting them do their new material, and reluctantly admitted, "we know what you came here for," before launching into "Elvira" and "Bobbie Sue". Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Sun, Jan 14, 2018 at 2:51 PM, Ken Waller wrote: > > For some time he refused to sing 'Alice's Restaurant' in his live > performances. > > -Original Message- > >From: "Daniel J. Matyola" > >Subject: Re: Panic > > > >Arlo recently did a PBS special celebrating the anniversary of Alice's > >Restaurant. > > > >Dan Matyola > >http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Panic
For some time he refused to sing 'Alice's Restaurant' in his live performances. -Original Message- >From: "Daniel J. Matyola" >Subject: Re: Panic > >Arlo recently did a PBS special celebrating the anniversary of Alice's >Restaurant. > >Dan Matyola >http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Multiple takes of group photos (thinking out loud)
You can't evade Murphy's Law. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 4:48 PM, Igor PDML-StR wrote: > > > Occasionally I am asked to take a group photo. > Every time I am choosing the best (or even usable) photo from the set, > I am struggling with finding one. The reason is that at any given moment > someone takes less then the best pose, facial expression, ... > So, you end up with one photo where it's better for one person, and > another one for another person... > > > So, I've been thinking about some empirical formula for the number of > photos I need to take to ensure I could choose one where everybody is OK. > When I have 1 person, the first photo will be bad, so, I need to take an > extra (or two). So, > for 1 person: 1+1 (or 1+2) photos. > For 2 people I will have about two bad ones (one for each), so, 2+1 (or > 2+2). > ... > > One might think that for N people, I'd need N+1 (or N+2)... > But that's wrong, because in addition to everybody having individual bad > moments, I will have a combination of bad poses in more then one person, > plus, people getting distracted when the crowd grows close to 10 and above. > The deduction and combinatorics does not seem to work well here, but I > suspect that statistically, I'd need N^2+1 or even N!+1 (where > N!=1*2*3*...*N) to optimize the probability of finding one photo where > everybody looks fine. > > Ghm... > > Igor > > > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: NOT HAPPY!
On Sun, Jan 14, 2018 at 02:51:10AM -0500, pdml-requ...@pdml.net wrote: Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2018 01:02:55 -0500 From: John To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: NOT HAPPY! Message-ID: <717d6a36-b8de-4c02-bbf5-78ca697d5...@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed If you've managed to kill that many Model M's there must be some sort of dubious prize out there somewhere waiting for you. Those things are built like frakking *tanks*! Bruce N. Baxter the cat jumped off my shoulder onto my desk and knocked a full cup of coffee over into my keyboard. She's gone off to sulk because she didn't like being scooped up and moved out of the way so I could try to dry the keyboard with towels. Cat's alright (other than some hurt feelings) but the keyboard is DEAD! I had to dig out my last spare, brand new in the box, Genuine IBM Model M keyboard to replace it. I should have bought more than a dozen way back when. -- Science - Questions we may never find answers for. Religion - Answers we must never question. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
A bit of excitement yesterday
We are at the beginning of our annual sojourn on Maui. Yesterday, at a little after 8:00 AM, we were having breakfast at a lovely beachfront restaurant All of a sudden my phone started to scream, as did those of my wife, my son and all the other patrons in the restaurant. Picking up my phone, I read: "Emergency alert -- BALLISTIC MISSILE THREAT INBOUND TO HAWAII. SEEK IMMEDIATE SHELTER. THIS IS NOT A DRILL." I looked at it a few times, looked around the room at the other patrons, shrugged and went back to my breakfast. I mean, if it was real, what could one do? go to the basement, so the building could collapse on me? Head up the mountain, where I would be more exposed to blast and radiation from an explosion at Pearl Harbor? Not much would help. After all, if one is to die, why not do it in paradise with a glass of fresh guava juice and Eggs Benedict? All of the other patrons in the restaurant -- probably mostly Canadians -- also shrugged, put their phones down, and continued with breakfast. It took 38 minutes for the "authorities" to issue a retraction through the emergency system. My son was able to find a couple of reliable tweets stating it was a false alarm within about 10 minutes, but still, the delay was inexcusable. Elsewhere in Hawaii, there was real panic. In Honolulu, hospital patients were moved from their beds to the basement. tourists panicked on Waikiki. Children were in tears. The biggest problem is that, if there ever is a real alert, who would believe it. An hour after the event, CNN was covering nothing else. The mistake appears to have been human error, at the level of the state emergency center in the crater of Diamond Head, and even the senior military on Hawaii (who would be the first to know of a real attack) were caught by surprise and confused. On Maui, most were more concerned with the high surf warnings than the ballistic missile warning. A bit of excitement in the midst of the serenity of paradise. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Parkway movie theater
Nice image, but an odd name for a theater in the middle of town. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 9:49 AM, Mark Roberts wrote: > A photo from last summer. It's the movie theater in the town near > where we're hanging out in North Carolina this weekend. > http://www.robertstech.com/temp/ > > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Panic
Arlo recently did a PBS special celebrating the anniversary of Alice's Restaurant. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
OT: National Geographic 130th Anniversary
Yesterday was the 130th anniversary of the founding of The National Geographic Society. Last night, we attended a reception they held at their Fine Art Gallery in the Shops at Wailea, here in Maui. Most of the images were printed at a size of one meter or larger. The selection and quality of the images is unsurpassed. http://natgeofineart.com/ Most of the images, even quite recent ones, were taken on film. Nat Geo is establishing these galleries at various locations to raise funds for the organization. I certainly wish them all the best. The images they disply are to my taste suerior to almost everything in the many art galleries located in Wailea, Lahina and Makawao here in maui, or, for that matter, in most modern art museums. Check to see if ther is a gallery near you. You will enjoy the experience. Last fall, I attended a Dartmouth program about China held in the Franklin Institute in Philadelphia. The had a nice selection there of moderately sized prints of Nat Geo images, but nothing to compare to the Fine Art Gallery. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Parkway movie theater
I like the photo. I'd also like to point out. as someone has to me in the past that using Copyright and © together is redundant. On 1/13/2018 9:49 AM, Mark Roberts wrote: A photo from last summer. It's the movie theater in the town near where we're hanging out in North Carolina this weekend. http://www.robertstech.com/temp/ -- America wasn't founded so that we could all be better. America was founded so we could all be anything we damn well please. - P.J. O'Rourke -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: NOT HAPPY!
I was going to suggest that you hang the keyboard under a shower head for several minutes to rinse out all the coffee, then rinse it in distilled water, shake as much water out as possible, and let it air dry for several days before trying it. That might work. On 1/14/2018 11:24 AM, Mat Maessen wrote: On Sun, Jan 14, 2018 at 1:02 AM, John wrote: I had to dig out my last spare, brand new in the box, Genuine IBM Model M keyboard to replace it. You can wash a genuine IBM Type M in a dishwasher. Just make sure you don't use a heated drying cycle. Let it air-dry for several days before trying to use it again. -Mat -- America wasn't founded so that we could all be better. America was founded so we could all be anything we damn well please. - P.J. O'Rourke -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Pentax at CES
Only really interested because I care about the health of the brand of equipment I use. No one seems to be reporting anything from Ricoh/Pentax at CES this year. I mean except for the Panasonic GH5s none of the other major camera manufactures seem to have announced anything of note, but at least it's reported that Nikon, Canon, Et. Al., haven't announced anything earth shaking, but nothing about Pentax. I feel left out that Ricoh/Pentax isn't noted as not having anything new and earth shaking as well. -- America wasn't founded so that we could all be better. America was founded so we could all be anything we damn well please. - P.J. O'Rourke -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Happy Birthday Captain Edward A. Murphy Jr.
There are many corollaries to Murphy's law, they all boil down to Reality is a Bitch, and People, are at best, fallible, some more than other's. On 1/14/2018 11:20 AM, John wrote: Rob Studdert pointed out the Ig Nobel Prize in the "Multiple ... group photo" thread, which led me to the Improbable Research blog. January 11, 2018 was Captain Captain Edward A. Murphy Jr.'s 100th Birthday. He was a joint recipient of the 2003 Ig Nobel Prize for engineering along with his colleague Captain John Paul Stapp. https://www.improbable.com/2018/01/10/the-100th-birthday-of-murphy-the-murphy-of-murphys-law/ https://tinyurl.com/yc9zqjc7 Because (of course) the long URL line-wrapped. -- America wasn't founded so that we could all be better. America was founded so we could all be anything we damn well please. - P.J. O'Rourke -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Multiple takes of group photos (thinking out loud)
But Cotty, most people wouldn't do it with a hacksaw... On 1/14/2018 5:50 AM, Steve Cottrell wrote: On 13/1/18, Paul Stenquist, discombobulated, unleashed: I just do s composite. If someone's eyes are closed in a take I like, I just cut their head out of another shot and paste it in. With minimal photoshop skills it's easy to do a perfect job in a matter of minutes, ditto -- America wasn't founded so that we could all be better. America was founded so we could all be anything we damn well please. - P.J. O'Rourke -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Multiple takes of group photos (thinking out loud)
Ann, Large groups, flash will be at distance, out doors it is just to get the twinkle in the eye, indoors the flash is not very strong or with large diffuser like umbrella, modern sensors see much more light than the human eye! No worries about poor eyes! Greetz, Jos On 14-Jan-18 01:04, ann sanfedele wrote: Jos, I really hope you don't ask people to look at your flash gun.. this is NOT good for eyes, especially elderly ones! If you must use artificial light, bounce the flash, please... Flash is hardly necessary for posed group shtos these days.. better to up your ISO ann On 1/13/2018 6:25 PM, Jos de Fotograaf wrote: To improve the success rate with large groups I follow some advises: * I tell them to go closer to each other. CLOSER! * You must see my lens with both eyes, otherwise you are covered partly * If there is a flashgun I tell them to see the flash with both eyes otherwise there will be a shadow on your face * While shooting, Speak to them to keep attention (jokes and/or compliments) Greetz, Jos On 13-Jan-18 22:48, Igor PDML-StR wrote: Occasionally I am asked to take a group photo. Every time I am choosing the best (or even usable) photo from the set, I am struggling with finding one. The reason is that at any given moment someone takes less then the best pose, facial expression, ... So, you end up with one photo where it's better for one person, and another one for another person... So, I've been thinking about some empirical formula for the number of photos I need to take to ensure I could choose one where everybody is OK. When I have 1 person, the first photo will be bad, so, I need to take an extra (or two). So, for 1 person: 1+1 (or 1+2) photos. For 2 people I will have about two bad ones (one for each), so, 2+1 (or 2+2). ... One might think that for N people, I'd need N+1 (or N+2)... But that's wrong, because in addition to everybody having individual bad moments, I will have a combination of bad poses in more then one person, plus, people getting distracted when the crowd grows close to 10 and above. The deduction and combinatorics does not seem to work well here, but I suspect that statistically, I'd need N^2+1 or even N!+1 (where N!=1*2*3*...*N) to optimize the probability of finding one photo where everybody looks fine. Ghm... Igor -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Happy Birthday Captain Edward A. Murphy Jr.
Captain Captain Edward A. Murphy Jr.'s 100th Birthday. Is he related to Major Major from Catch-22? On 14 Jan 2018, at 16:21, John mailto:sesso...@earthlink.net>> wrote: Rob Studdert pointed out the Ig Nobel Prize in the "Multiple ... group photo" thread, which led me to the Improbable Research blog. January 11, 2018 was Captain Captain Edward A. Murphy Jr.'s 100th Birthday. He was a joint recipient of the 2003 Ig Nobel Prize for engineering along with his colleague Captain John Paul Stapp. https://www.improbable.com/2018/01/10/the-100th-birthday-of-murphy-the-murphy-of-murphys-law/ https://tinyurl.com/yc9zqjc7 Because (of course) the long URL line-wrapped. -- -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT GESO: bike ride on a foggy day (3 photos)
Nice bike and lovely atmospheric shots. Chris On 14 January 2018 at 07:53, Subash Jeyan wrote: > so i got my custom steel bike a month or so back and have been riding > it quite regularly. a few photos taken during today's long ride, taken > with my cell phone. it was an unually foggy day and, unusually, it > remained like that till about 8 am (i start my long rides 4.30-ish :)) > > https://500px.com/subashjeyan/galleries/aurovelo-rides > > thanks for looking, > > ~subash > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: NOT HAPPY!
On Sun, Jan 14, 2018 at 1:02 AM, John wrote: > > I had to dig out my last spare, brand new in the box, Genuine IBM Model M > keyboard to replace it. > You can wash a genuine IBM Type M in a dishwasher. Just make sure you don't use a heated drying cycle. Let it air-dry for several days before trying to use it again. -Mat -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
OT: Happy Birthday Captain Edward A. Murphy Jr.
Rob Studdert pointed out the Ig Nobel Prize in the "Multiple ... group photo" thread, which led me to the Improbable Research blog. January 11, 2018 was Captain Captain Edward A. Murphy Jr.'s 100th Birthday. He was a joint recipient of the 2003 Ig Nobel Prize for engineering along with his colleague Captain John Paul Stapp. https://www.improbable.com/2018/01/10/the-100th-birthday-of-murphy-the-murphy-of-murphys-law/ https://tinyurl.com/yc9zqjc7 Because (of course) the long URL line-wrapped. -- Science - Questions we may never find answers for. Religion - Answers we must never question. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Multiple takes of group photos (thinking out loud)
> On 14 Jan 2018, at 11:51, Rob Studdert wrote: > > http://www.abc.net.au/science/articles/2006/10/06/1752039.htm > The prize for medicine was well-deserved that year. I wonder how they figured that out, whether it was the theoreticians who first proposed it, or the experimentalists in a moment of diaphragmatic desperation. > >> On 14 January 2018 at 21:50, Steve Cottrell wrote: >> On 13/1/18, Paul Stenquist, discombobulated, unleashed: >> >>> I just do s composite. If someone's eyes are closed in a take I like, I >>> just cut their head out of another shot and paste it in. With minimal >>> photoshop skills it's easy to do a perfect job in a matter of minutes, >> >> ditto >> >> -- >> >> >> Cheers, >> Cotty >> >> >> ___/\__UK Shoot / Edit and >> || (O) |Live Broadcast News >> -- >> _ >> >> >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow the directions. > > > > -- > Rob Studdert (Digital Image Studio) > Tel: +61-418-166-870 UTC +10 Hours > Gmail, eBay, Skype, Twitter, Facebook, Picasa: distudio > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Multiple takes of group photos (thinking out loud)
http://www.abc.net.au/science/articles/2006/10/06/1752039.htm On 14 January 2018 at 21:50, Steve Cottrell wrote: > On 13/1/18, Paul Stenquist, discombobulated, unleashed: > >>I just do s composite. If someone's eyes are closed in a take I like, I >>just cut their head out of another shot and paste it in. With minimal >>photoshop skills it's easy to do a perfect job in a matter of minutes, > > ditto > > -- > > > Cheers, > Cotty > > > ___/\__UK Shoot / Edit and > || (O) |Live Broadcast News > -- > _ > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- Rob Studdert (Digital Image Studio) Tel: +61-418-166-870 UTC +10 Hours Gmail, eBay, Skype, Twitter, Facebook, Picasa: distudio -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Multiple takes of group photos (thinking out loud)
On 13/1/18, Paul Stenquist, discombobulated, unleashed: >I just do s composite. If someone's eyes are closed in a take I like, I >just cut their head out of another shot and paste it in. With minimal >photoshop skills it's easy to do a perfect job in a matter of minutes, ditto -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__UK Shoot / Edit and || (O) |Live Broadcast News -- _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT GESO: bike ride on a foggy day (3 photos)
Beautiful shots, very atmospheric. I particularly like the first, showing off the new bike. > On 14 Jan 2018, at 07:51, Subash Jeyan wrote: > > so i got my custom steel bike a month or so back and have been riding > it quite regularly. a few photos taken during today's long ride, taken > with my cell phone. it was an unually foggy day and, unusually, it > remained like that till about 8 am (i start my long rides 4.30-ish :)) > > https://500px.com/subashjeyan/galleries/aurovelo-rides > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.