Re: What makes a photo work in color or black and white

2018-03-16 Thread Bill

On 3/16/2018 12:51 PM, Larry Colen wrote:


One of the nice things about digital photography is being able to choose 
after the fact whether to process a photo as color or black and white. 
Technically, I suppose that was also possible with color film, not that 
it was often done.


Sometimes photos work as color, black and white, an some look great for 
different reasons in both.


Since the most effective way to promote discussion on the net is to post 
something that people disagree with, I'll mention some of my thoughts on 
the subject.


For me it boils down to contrast, and whether you want to emphasize or 
demphasize something.  Generally, I want to deemphasize anything in a 
photo that doesn't make a significant improvement, and I want to 
emphasize things that do look good.  Sometimes color differences will 
make something stand out.  If that's your subject, great, if it's a 
random bit in the background, less so. Similarly often things with 
different colors will have similar tonality, so converting to black and 
white can deemphasize them. Likewise, by tweaking the response to 
different colors in the conversion you can increase or decrease the 
emphasis.


Thoughts? Expansion? Arguments?



To me, colour generally works for weaker compositions. It's sort of the 
photographic equivalent of baffle them with bullshit.
Strong composition will work in either colour or B&W, weaker composition 
may work in colour because of the colour (yer average sunset, for 
example), but will likely not succeed in B&W.


bill

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Re: Lubricate a Ballhead?

2018-03-16 Thread Paul Stenquist
Thanks Godfrey. 

Paul

> On Mar 16, 2018, at 9:48 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:
> 
> Yes, lubricant on a ball head is generally a really bad idea. I don't know of 
> any manufacturer that recommends lubricant of any kind. 
> 
> Really Right Stuff has a video on how to clean one of their ball heads 
> properly. I've found that it is just about exactly the same as the procedure 
> described by Arca-Swiss, FOBA, Kirk Photo, Acratech, and others in their 
> owner's manual and literature.  
> 
> https://youtu.be/eR_a8I3Zd_I
> 
> I would do this first, before anything else. The likely cause of stiction in 
> a ball head is a tiny—microscopic!—film of finger oil and dirt deposited on 
> the ball's treated surface ... get all of it off and the ball head should 
> work as new again. 
> 
> G
> 
>> Paul Stenquist Fri, 16 Mar 2018 07:18:02 -0700 wrote:
>> 
>> I use a large heavy-duty Sirui bullhead when shooting off a tripod with big 
>> glass. It’s been excellent for several years, smooth and solid. But I think 
>> it may have picked up a few specks of dirt here and there, and now it has a 
>> bit of a tug and hesitation in its movement. I’m wondering if anyone has 
>> tried lubricating a bullhead with light oil. I think that may make matters 
>> worse by attracting dirt. I can clean it somewhat by rotating it to extreme 
>> positions while wiping it down, but that doesn’t seem to fully solve the 
>> problem. Is lube okay or a bad idea?
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Re: PESO - airborne

2018-03-16 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
I really like the "geometry" of this shot.

Dan Matyola
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola

On Thu, Mar 15, 2018 at 4:35 PM, Bruce Walker 
wrote:

> Safe for all audiences. Zero politics.
>
> Dancer, athlete and model Rachel Cornejo in mid-leap ...
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/bruce_m_walker/40769423212/lightbox/
>
> Shot in Dec 2015, just dug out of Lightroom catalog and retouched
> yesterday.
>
> Makeup by the model;
> Hair by my wife, Louise;
> Assistant Anique Alletson.
>
> 645Z, 90mm/2.8 Macro at f/11, 1/125th sec, 100 ISO;
>
> Split lighting: two 5 foot gridded strip lights left and right, facing
> each other.
>
> Fill/definition: a 22" beauty dish boomed above camera.
>
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Pentax Sighting

2018-03-16 Thread John

I had a doctor's appointment today at the VA in Durham. They had some kind of Pentax 
Medical equipment in the examining room. Brand new & a whole rack of equipment all 
with PENTAX logos. I didn't have a camera with me today, but the Doctor said it would 
be OK for me to come back some time next week & take a photo of it.

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Re: Lubricate a Ballhead?

2018-03-16 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
Yes, lubricant on a ball head is generally a really bad idea. I don't know of 
any manufacturer that recommends lubricant of any kind. 

Really Right Stuff has a video on how to clean one of their ball heads 
properly. I've found that it is just about exactly the same as the procedure 
described by Arca-Swiss, FOBA, Kirk Photo, Acratech, and others in their 
owner's manual and literature.  

https://youtu.be/eR_a8I3Zd_I

I would do this first, before anything else. The likely cause of stiction in a 
ball head is a tiny—microscopic!—film of finger oil and dirt deposited on the 
ball's treated surface ... get all of it off and the ball head should work as 
new again. 

G

> Paul Stenquist Fri, 16 Mar 2018 07:18:02 -0700 wrote:
> 
> I use a large heavy-duty Sirui bullhead when shooting off a tripod with big 
> glass. It’s been excellent for several years, smooth and solid. But I think 
> it may have picked up a few specks of dirt here and there, and now it has a 
> bit of a tug and hesitation in its movement. I’m wondering if anyone has 
> tried lubricating a bullhead with light oil. I think that may make matters 
> worse by attracting dirt. I can clean it somewhat by rotating it to extreme 
> positions while wiping it down, but that doesn’t seem to fully solve the 
> problem. Is lube okay or a bad idea?
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Re: Lubricate a Ballhead?

2018-03-16 Thread Igor PDML-StR


Paul,

I am not an expert with lubricants: I don't have a good broad knowledge 
about which classes of lubricants are better for which jobs. I know only
lubricants for some limited classes of applications and materials that 
I've used in my work. So, my thoughts are rather speculative, but here 
they are.


I'd be hesitant to use oil or any other liquid lubricant. And this is for 
several reasons: dust/dirt is just one of them. Oil penetrating everywhere
(including the locking mechanism) and making everything, including the 
hands oily is yet another one.


As far as I understand Tri-flow is teflon (PTFE) - based lubricant.
My understanding is the teflon-based lubricants are usually dirt and
dust resistant.
At least one of WD-40 (IRC, one from the "specialist" line) products that 
is teflon-based, is advertised as dirt&dust resistant:

https://www.wd40specialist.com/products/dry-lube

So, from the point of view of dust and dirt, TRi-flow can be more 
reasonable (then any oil) for this job.

And they have banana aroma!
https://www.triflowlubricants.com/category/lubricants


Other thoughts that I had include carbon-based lubricants.
But I don't know if they are suitable for this job or not.
I am also thinking if silicon-based lubricants would be fine with 
non-metal surfaces of the ballhead that it might come in contact.


If I were you, I'd research these types of lubricants to see the pro's and 
con's and see which one would be better.


HTH,

Igor



Paul Stenquist Fri, 16 Mar 2018 07:18:02 -0700 wrote:

I use a large heavy-duty Sirui bullhead when shooting off a tripod with 
big glass. It’s been excellent for several years, smooth and solid. But I 
think it may have picked up a few specks of dirt here and there, and now 
it has a bit of a tug and hesitation in its movement. I’m wondering if 
anyone has tried lubricating a bullhead with light oil. I think that may 
make matters worse by attracting dirt. I can clean it somewhat by rotating 
it to extreme positions while wiping it down, but that doesn’t seem to 
fully solve the problem. Is lube okay or a bad idea?


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Re: What makes a photo work in color or black and white

2018-03-16 Thread ann sanfedele
when I was shooting film, I shot interesting subjects in both BW and 
chrome when I could.Then I could decided later.. and also had backup if

one or the other rolls of film met a premature demise.

I like bw for documetary work & street shots and when the color is 
irrelevant and/or just gets in the way.I think color is much harder than 
black and white although it often
appears to be easier...Never thought about bw being necessarily dreamy 
or romantic, I usually like my bw more contrasty and color much less so...


bottom line - unless the color is pleasing to me and enhances what I've 
shot, I prefer black and white. Of course my nature photography is 
almost all in color as it

informs... the colors are as much the subject as the objects photographed.

ann


On 3/16/2018 3:18 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:

For me the choice of black and white over color is more about mood and 
expression rather than a need to parse the photos elements. BW is subtle, 
romantic and laid back. Color is vibrant active and alive. Of course there are 
degrees of expression within each genre. Punchy, high contrast BW moves toward 
vibrant while muted color approaches subtle. It’s all about what one wants a 
photo to say.

Paul


On Mar 16, 2018, at 2:51 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:


One of the nice things about digital photography is being able to choose after 
the fact whether to process a photo as color or black and white. Technically, I 
suppose that was also possible with color film, not that it was often done.

Sometimes photos work as color, black and white, an some look great for 
different reasons in both.

Since the most effective way to promote discussion on the net is to post 
something that people disagree with, I'll mention some of my thoughts on the 
subject.

For me it boils down to contrast, and whether you want to emphasize or 
demphasize something.  Generally, I want to deemphasize anything in a photo 
that doesn't make a significant improvement, and I want to emphasize things 
that do look good.  Sometimes color differences will make something stand out.  
If that's your subject, great, if it's a random bit in the background, less so. 
Similarly often things with different colors will have similar tonality, so 
converting to black and white can deemphasize them. Likewise, by tweaking the 
response to different colors in the conversion you can increase or decrease the 
emphasis.

Thoughts? Expansion? Arguments?

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Re: What makes a photo work in color or black and white

2018-03-16 Thread Larry Colen



Bruce Walker wrote:

I'm still figuring out my reasons for going with b&w, but they
generally incorporate some of your points, especially the subject
isolation, with some of Paul's -- mood, etc.

I find that a lot of spontaneous location shots will have a
disharmonious colour palette, so b&w removes that factor entirely and
improves the image no end.

The more I study folks like Peter Lindbergh the more I admire good
b&w, and try to emulate that style.

A really handy feature of b&w is free skin processing. Portraits of
most folks look quite a bit better in b&w than colour, especially if
they have any skin redness or blotchiness. And for even more free
retouching, simply adding the digital equivalent of a red filter helps
enormously.



You reminded me of other advantages of B&W. A lot of time stage lighting 
is really ugly colors, and sometimes the lighting on someplace will be a 
bizarre mixture of yellow from the lights, blue from the window and 
green reflected from the dojo mats (for example), and black and white 
can just make all of those problems go away.


Noise is another big thing. To me, a noisy photo in black and white just 
looks "vintage". I'm used to black and white low light photos looking 
grainy, so noisy black and white isn't as jarring as noisy color.  This 
was especially true on my K20 which would have tremendous amounts of 
noise in the blue channel.


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Re: What makes a photo work in color or black and white

2018-03-16 Thread Bruce Walker
I'm still figuring out my reasons for going with b&w, but they
generally incorporate some of your points, especially the subject
isolation, with some of Paul's -- mood, etc.

I find that a lot of spontaneous location shots will have a
disharmonious colour palette, so b&w removes that factor entirely and
improves the image no end.

The more I study folks like Peter Lindbergh the more I admire good
b&w, and try to emulate that style.

A really handy feature of b&w is free skin processing. Portraits of
most folks look quite a bit better in b&w than colour, especially if
they have any skin redness or blotchiness. And for even more free
retouching, simply adding the digital equivalent of a red filter helps
enormously.


On Fri, Mar 16, 2018 at 2:51 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
>
> One of the nice things about digital photography is being able to choose
> after the fact whether to process a photo as color or black and white.
> Technically, I suppose that was also possible with color film, not that it
> was often done.
>
> Sometimes photos work as color, black and white, an some look great for
> different reasons in both.
>
> Since the most effective way to promote discussion on the net is to post
> something that people disagree with, I'll mention some of my thoughts on the
> subject.
>
> For me it boils down to contrast, and whether you want to emphasize or
> demphasize something.  Generally, I want to deemphasize anything in a photo
> that doesn't make a significant improvement, and I want to emphasize things
> that do look good.  Sometimes color differences will make something stand
> out.  If that's your subject, great, if it's a random bit in the background,
> less so. Similarly often things with different colors will have similar
> tonality, so converting to black and white can deemphasize them. Likewise,
> by tweaking the response to different colors in the conversion you can
> increase or decrease the emphasis.
>
> Thoughts? Expansion? Arguments?
>
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Re: What makes a photo work in color or black and white

2018-03-16 Thread Paul Stenquist
For me the choice of black and white over color is more about mood and 
expression rather than a need to parse the photos elements. BW is subtle, 
romantic and laid back. Color is vibrant active and alive. Of course there are 
degrees of expression within each genre. Punchy, high contrast BW moves toward 
vibrant while muted color approaches subtle. It’s all about what one wants a 
photo to say.

Paul

> On Mar 16, 2018, at 2:51 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
> 
> 
> One of the nice things about digital photography is being able to choose 
> after the fact whether to process a photo as color or black and white. 
> Technically, I suppose that was also possible with color film, not that it 
> was often done.
> 
> Sometimes photos work as color, black and white, an some look great for 
> different reasons in both.
> 
> Since the most effective way to promote discussion on the net is to post 
> something that people disagree with, I'll mention some of my thoughts on the 
> subject.
> 
> For me it boils down to contrast, and whether you want to emphasize or 
> demphasize something.  Generally, I want to deemphasize anything in a photo 
> that doesn't make a significant improvement, and I want to emphasize things 
> that do look good.  Sometimes color differences will make something stand 
> out.  If that's your subject, great, if it's a random bit in the background, 
> less so. Similarly often things with different colors will have similar 
> tonality, so converting to black and white can deemphasize them. Likewise, by 
> tweaking the response to different colors in the conversion you can increase 
> or decrease the emphasis.
> 
> Thoughts? Expansion? Arguments?
> 
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What makes a photo work in color or black and white

2018-03-16 Thread Larry Colen


One of the nice things about digital photography is being able to choose 
after the fact whether to process a photo as color or black and white. 
Technically, I suppose that was also possible with color film, not that 
it was often done.


Sometimes photos work as color, black and white, an some look great for 
different reasons in both.


Since the most effective way to promote discussion on the net is to post 
something that people disagree with, I'll mention some of my thoughts on 
the subject.


For me it boils down to contrast, and whether you want to emphasize or 
demphasize something.  Generally, I want to deemphasize anything in a 
photo that doesn't make a significant improvement, and I want to 
emphasize things that do look good.  Sometimes color differences will 
make something stand out.  If that's your subject, great, if it's a 
random bit in the background, less so. Similarly often things with 
different colors will have similar tonality, so converting to black and 
white can deemphasize them. Likewise, by tweaking the response to 
different colors in the conversion you can increase or decrease the 
emphasis.


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Re: PESO - airborne

2018-03-16 Thread Bruce Walker
Thank you, Paul!

On Fri, Mar 16, 2018 at 2:13 PM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:
> Nice shot. Dynamic and expressive.
>
>> On Mar 16, 2018, at 2:00 PM, Bruce Walker  wrote:
>>
>> I couldn't say, Ann. I don't recall seeing anything like this in his
>> work, but I'm less familiar with his photography and more familiar
>> with his film, Shaft. :-)
>>
>> I sure appreciate the comparison, Ann. Thanks!
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 15, 2018 at 4:46 PM, ann sanfedele  wrote:
>>> Is it Gordon Park's work that this reminds me of?
>>> Nice one, Bruce!
>>>
>>> ann
>>>
>>> On 3/15/2018 4:35 PM, Bruce Walker wrote:

 Safe for all audiences. Zero politics.

 Dancer, athlete and model Rachel Cornejo in mid-leap ...

 https://www.flickr.com/photos/bruce_m_walker/40769423212/lightbox/

 Shot in Dec 2015, just dug out of Lightroom catalog and retouched
 yesterday.

 Makeup by the model;
 Hair by my wife, Louise;
 Assistant Anique Alletson.

 645Z, 90mm/2.8 Macro at f/11, 1/125th sec, 100 ISO;

 Split lighting: two 5 foot gridded strip lights left and right, facing
 each other.

 Fill/definition: a 22" beauty dish boomed above camera.

 Hope you enjoy!

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Re: PESO - airborne

2018-03-16 Thread Paul Stenquist
Nice shot. Dynamic and expressive.

> On Mar 16, 2018, at 2:00 PM, Bruce Walker  wrote:
> 
> I couldn't say, Ann. I don't recall seeing anything like this in his
> work, but I'm less familiar with his photography and more familiar
> with his film, Shaft. :-)
> 
> I sure appreciate the comparison, Ann. Thanks!
> 
> 
> On Thu, Mar 15, 2018 at 4:46 PM, ann sanfedele  wrote:
>> Is it Gordon Park's work that this reminds me of?
>> Nice one, Bruce!
>> 
>> ann
>> 
>> On 3/15/2018 4:35 PM, Bruce Walker wrote:
>>> 
>>> Safe for all audiences. Zero politics.
>>> 
>>> Dancer, athlete and model Rachel Cornejo in mid-leap ...
>>> 
>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/bruce_m_walker/40769423212/lightbox/
>>> 
>>> Shot in Dec 2015, just dug out of Lightroom catalog and retouched
>>> yesterday.
>>> 
>>> Makeup by the model;
>>> Hair by my wife, Louise;
>>> Assistant Anique Alletson.
>>> 
>>> 645Z, 90mm/2.8 Macro at f/11, 1/125th sec, 100 ISO;
>>> 
>>> Split lighting: two 5 foot gridded strip lights left and right, facing
>>> each other.
>>> 
>>> Fill/definition: a 22" beauty dish boomed above camera.
>>> 
>>> Hope you enjoy!
>>> 
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Re: PESO - airborne

2018-03-16 Thread Bruce Walker
Thank you, Larry. Good idea! I'll try a b&w version.


On Fri, Mar 16, 2018 at 12:51 AM,   wrote:
> Very nice. I bet it would also work well in black and white.
>
> On March 15, 2018 1:35:02 PM PDT, Bruce Walker  wrote:
>>Safe for all audiences. Zero politics.
>>
>>Dancer, athlete and model Rachel Cornejo in mid-leap ...
>>
>>https://www.flickr.com/photos/bruce_m_walker/40769423212/lightbox/
>>
>>Shot in Dec 2015, just dug out of Lightroom catalog and retouched
>>yesterday.
>>
>>Makeup by the model;
>>Hair by my wife, Louise;
>>Assistant Anique Alletson.
>>
>>645Z, 90mm/2.8 Macro at f/11, 1/125th sec, 100 ISO;
>>
>>Split lighting: two 5 foot gridded strip lights left and right, facing
>>each other.
>>
>>Fill/definition: a 22" beauty dish boomed above camera.
>>
>>Hope you enjoy!
>>
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Re: PESO - airborne

2018-03-16 Thread Bruce Walker
Thank you very much, Alan. I'm glad this appeals.

I agree with you re the demanding nature of dance. This woman is one
of the most fit people I've met in my life. She has to work and
practice constantly to be able to perform ballet. Shortly after our
shoot she appeared in a series of Christmas performances of The
Nutcracker being put on in a city west of Toronto.


On Fri, Mar 16, 2018 at 12:27 AM, Alan C  wrote:
> I don't often comment on your images but this one is really something
> special. The lighting really accentuates the athleticism of the dancer. Most
> people just don't realise how demanding it is to be a prima ballerina.
>
> Alan C
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> -Original Message- From: Bruce Walker
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> Subject: PESO - airborne
>
>
> Safe for all audiences. Zero politics.
>
> Dancer, athlete and model Rachel Cornejo in mid-leap ...
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/bruce_m_walker/40769423212/lightbox/
>
> Shot in Dec 2015, just dug out of Lightroom catalog and retouched yesterday.
>
> Makeup by the model;
> Hair by my wife, Louise;
> Assistant Anique Alletson.
>
> 645Z, 90mm/2.8 Macro at f/11, 1/125th sec, 100 ISO;
>
> Split lighting: two 5 foot gridded strip lights left and right, facing
> each other.
>
> Fill/definition: a 22" beauty dish boomed above camera.
>
> Hope you enjoy!
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Re: PESO - airborne

2018-03-16 Thread Bruce Walker
I couldn't say, Ann. I don't recall seeing anything like this in his
work, but I'm less familiar with his photography and more familiar
with his film, Shaft. :-)

I sure appreciate the comparison, Ann. Thanks!


On Thu, Mar 15, 2018 at 4:46 PM, ann sanfedele  wrote:
> Is it Gordon Park's work that this reminds me of?
> Nice one, Bruce!
>
> ann
>
> On 3/15/2018 4:35 PM, Bruce Walker wrote:
>>
>> Safe for all audiences. Zero politics.
>>
>> Dancer, athlete and model Rachel Cornejo in mid-leap ...
>>
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/bruce_m_walker/40769423212/lightbox/
>>
>> Shot in Dec 2015, just dug out of Lightroom catalog and retouched
>> yesterday.
>>
>> Makeup by the model;
>> Hair by my wife, Louise;
>> Assistant Anique Alletson.
>>
>> 645Z, 90mm/2.8 Macro at f/11, 1/125th sec, 100 ISO;
>>
>> Split lighting: two 5 foot gridded strip lights left and right, facing
>> each other.
>>
>> Fill/definition: a 22" beauty dish boomed above camera.
>>
>> Hope you enjoy!
>>
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Re: Lubricate a Ballhead?

2018-03-16 Thread Ken Waller

I had a similar issue with the big Bogen ballhead years ago and I believe I 
used Tri-flow on it. Check with the Bogen web site it might mention it.

-Original Message-
>From: John Subject: Re: Lubricate a Ballhead?
>
>Oil probably isn't what you want. Better getting some kind of dry lube.
>
>I found some stuff called Tri-Flow at a bike shop. Liquid when it comes out of 
>the bottle, but dries to a film that doesn't attract sand or dust.
>
>On 3/16/2018 10:17, Paul Stenquist wrote:
>> I use a large heavy-duty Sirui bullhead when shooting off a tripod
>> with big glass. It’s been excellent for several years, smooth and
>> solid. But I think it may have picked up a few specks of dirt here
>> and there, and now it has a bit of a tug and hesitation in its
>> movement. I’m wondering if anyone has tried lubricating a bullhead
>> with light oil. I think that may make matters worse by attracting
>> dirt. I can clean it somewhat by rotating it to extreme positions
>> while wiping it down, but that doesn’t seem to fully solve the
>> problem. Is lube okay or a bad idea?


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Re: Norwegian wins 2018 Iditarod

2018-03-16 Thread John

Still leaves the question of who gave a banned substance to the dogs, whether 
it was him or someone else.

On 3/16/2018 01:45, Ken Waller wrote:

IIRC, four of the American's dogs were tested positive for a banned
substance after his second place finish last year in the Iditarod. He
denied having given the banned substance to his dogs. Maybe that's
why he was racing in Norway and skipping the Iditarod.

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- Original Message - From: "Daniel J. Matyola"
 Subject: OT: Norwegian wins 2018 Iditarod



The Iditarod is the premiere dog sled race in the World.  Today, it
was won by a Norwegian, Joar Leifseth Ulsom.  Meanwhile, the
American who won 4 of the last five races is competing in an event
in Norway.

http://iditarod.com/photo/march-14-2018/

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Re: Lubricate a Ballhead?

2018-03-16 Thread John

Oil probably isn't what you want. Better getting some kind of dry lube.

I found some stuff called Tri-Flow at a bike shop. Liquid when it comes out of 
the bottle, but dries to a film that doesn't attract sand or dust.

On 3/16/2018 10:17, Paul Stenquist wrote:

I use a large heavy-duty Sirui bullhead when shooting off a tripod
with big glass. It’s been excellent for several years, smooth and
solid. But I think it may have picked up a few specks of dirt here
and there, and now it has a bit of a tug and hesitation in its
movement. I’m wondering if anyone has tried lubricating a bullhead
with light oil. I think that may make matters worse by attracting
dirt. I can clean it somewhat by rotating it to extreme positions
while wiping it down, but that doesn’t seem to fully solve the
problem. Is lube okay or a bad idea?




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Re: OT: Political Joke

2018-03-16 Thread Steve Cottrell
On 16/3/18, Daniel J. Matyola, discombobulated, unleashed:

>the original post was clearly marked "Political Joke," so anyone who
>wishes to avoid politics, could have just ignored it.

I'm right behind you Danno (in looking at it anyway)   > ;-) 

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Re: OT: Stephen Hawking

2018-03-16 Thread Ken Waller
And thanks for the fish.


-Original Message-
>From: "Daniel J. Matyola" 
>Subject: Re: OT: Stephen Hawking
>
>Life, the Universe, and everything.
>
>Dan Matyola
>http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
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>
>> He had indeed.
>> In addition to the above, three times fourteen is... :-P
>>
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Re: Norwegian wins 2018 Iditarod

2018-03-16 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leonhard_Seppala

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On Fri, Mar 16, 2018 at 10:05 AM, Daniel J. Matyola 
wrote:

> That is in fact the case.
>
> There is a long history of Norwegians with sled dogs in Alaska.
>
> Robert Sorlie, a Norwegian, won the race in 2003 and 2005.  The only man
> to win the Iditarod 5 times is an American named Swenson.
>
> Many of the mushers who carried the mail and food to gold miners and
> others in Alaska were Norwegian immigrants, although sometimes identified
> as Swedes.
> The man who organized the fabled relay of dog sleds to carred the Serum to
> the children of Nome, and who handled the two most treacherous legs of the
> tun, was a Norwegian immigrant, Leonhard Seppala.  H
>
> Dan Matyola
> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
>
> On Fri, Mar 16, 2018 at 1:45 AM, Ken Waller  wrote:
>
>> IIRC, four of the American's dogs were tested positive for a banned
>> substance after his second place finish last year in the Iditarod. He
>> denied having given the banned substance to his dogs. Maybe that's why he
>> was racing in Norway and skipping the
>> Iditarod.
>>
>> Kenneth Waller
>> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller
>>
>> - Original Message - From: "Daniel J. Matyola" <
>> danmaty...@gmail.com>
>> Subject: OT: Norwegian wins 2018 Iditarod
>>
>>
>> The Iditarod is the premiere dog sled race in the World.  Today, it was
>>> won
>>> by a Norwegian, Joar Leifseth Ulsom.  Meanwhile, the American who won 4
>>> of
>>> the last five races is competing in an event in Norway.
>>>
>>> http://iditarod.com/photo/march-14-2018/
>>>
>>> Dan Matyola
>>> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
>>>
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Lubricate a Ballhead?

2018-03-16 Thread Paul Stenquist
I use a large heavy-duty Sirui bullhead when shooting off a tripod with big 
glass. It’s been excellent for several years, smooth and solid. But I think it 
may have picked up a few specks of dirt here and there, and now it has a bit of 
a tug and hesitation in its movement. I’m wondering if anyone has tried 
lubricating a bullhead with light oil. I think that may make matters worse by 
attracting dirt. I can clean it somewhat by rotating it to extreme positions 
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Re: Norwegian wins 2018 Iditarod

2018-03-16 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
That is in fact the case.

There is a long history of Norwegians with sled dogs in Alaska.

Robert Sorlie, a Norwegian, won the race in 2003 and 2005.  The only man to
win the Iditarod 5 times is an American named Swenson.

Many of the mushers who carried the mail and food to gold miners and others
in Alaska were Norwegian immigrants, although sometimes identified as
Swedes.
The man who organized the fabled relay of dog sleds to carred the Serum to
the children of Nome, and who handled the two most treacherous legs of the
tun, was a Norwegian immigrant, Leonhard Seppala.  H

Dan Matyola
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On Fri, Mar 16, 2018 at 1:45 AM, Ken Waller  wrote:

> IIRC, four of the American's dogs were tested positive for a banned
> substance after his second place finish last year in the Iditarod. He
> denied having given the banned substance to his dogs. Maybe that's why he
> was racing in Norway and skipping the
> Iditarod.
>
> Kenneth Waller
> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller
>
> - Original Message - From: "Daniel J. Matyola" <
> danmaty...@gmail.com>
> Subject: OT: Norwegian wins 2018 Iditarod
>
>
> The Iditarod is the premiere dog sled race in the World.  Today, it was won
>> by a Norwegian, Joar Leifseth Ulsom.  Meanwhile, the American who won 4 of
>> the last five races is competing in an event in Norway.
>>
>> http://iditarod.com/photo/march-14-2018/
>>
>> Dan Matyola
>> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
>>
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Re: OT: Political Joke

2018-03-16 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
This is Much Ado About Nothing.

First, the original post was clearly marked "Political Joke," so anyone who
wishes to avoid politics, could have just ignored it.

Second, none of the posts were really partisan, nor did they push a
particular political agenda.  Poking fun at World leaders is not really
politics.

Non of us wants to see political arguments on this list;  any occasional
good humored remark about the silliness of the global situation or the
situation in our home countries will not contaminate anyone.

YMMV



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Re: OT: Stephen Hawking

2018-03-16 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Life, the Universe, and everything.

Dan Matyola
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> He had indeed.
> In addition to the above, three times fourteen is... :-P
>
> Jostein
>
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Re: OT: Political Joke

2018-03-16 Thread Jack Davis
Yes, the brunt of a negative joke often has offended supporters.

J
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> On Mar 16, 2018, at 2:19 AM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:
> 
> I don’t believe I ever said anything coarse about Obama here, or anywhere 
> else. I didn’t vote for him, but I admire him. Yes, an occasional joke would 
> be fine, and Trump is certainly an easy target. But too many times the 
> occasional joke quickly ignites an angry flame war. Let’s talk about 
> photography. Can we let this go?
> 
> Paul
> 
>> On Mar 16, 2018, at 3:08 AM, Jostein  wrote:
>> 
>> There is a distinct difference between discussing politics and joking about 
>> politicians.
>> 
>> Oh, and Trump sucks.
>> 
>> there, I said it. Paraphrasing Paul's own statement about Obama from two 
>> election periods ago.
>> 
>> Opinions are like a bum; split down the middle. :-)
>> 
>> Jostein
>> 
>> Den 15.03.2018 22:35, skrev Paul Stenquist:
>>> There is so much politics every where, so much hate and anger, that a 
>>> sanctuary is much more valuable than yet another forum for vitriol. While 
>>> jokes about Trudeau are offered with a grin and perhaps even a dollop of 
>>> affection, there are no smiles to be seen on this side of the border. Let’s 
>>> stick to our decades old policy of no politics and no religion.
>>> Paul
> On Mar 15, 2018, at 5:03 PM, Bill  wrote:
> 
> On 3/15/2018 2:48 PM, Bulent Celasun wrote:
> Dear PDML'ers,
> Perhaps it is time to remind my fellows here that
> there are certain places on earth where
> it is legally forbidden to make jokes about
> the supreme leader of the country.
> Not on TV, not on newspapers, not on periodicals
> and yes, not on social media.
 
 I fear that day is coming to a North American country near us. It seems it 
 has come to our northern neighbors already.
> Simply ignoring a few off topic messages
> should not do any harm to anyone,
> I believe.
> I can not say the same for banning them.
> I humbly suggest that you just relax
> and enjoy your privileges.
 
 Thank you.
 
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Re: OT: Stephen Hawking

2018-03-16 Thread Jostein



Den 15.03.2018 23:45, skrev ann sanfedele:
actually - I'd like to think Hawking , knowing he was probably not going 
to live too much longer anyway, chose to pull the lifesupport system so 
that these thingswould be aligned... as not only was it PI day, and 
Einstein's birthday but Einstein died at age 76 (I  learned today). 
Hawking did have a sense of humor.


He had indeed.
In addition to the above, three times fourteen is... :-P

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Re: OT: Political Joke

2018-03-16 Thread Paul Stenquist
I don’t believe I ever said anything coarse about Obama here, or anywhere else. 
I didn’t vote for him, but I admire him. Yes, an occasional joke would be fine, 
and Trump is certainly an easy target. But too many times the occasional joke 
quickly ignites an angry flame war. Let’s talk about photography. Can we let 
this go?

Paul

> On Mar 16, 2018, at 3:08 AM, Jostein  wrote:
> 
> There is a distinct difference between discussing politics and joking about 
> politicians.
> 
> Oh, and Trump sucks.
> 
> there, I said it. Paraphrasing Paul's own statement about Obama from two 
> election periods ago.
> 
> Opinions are like a bum; split down the middle. :-)
> 
> Jostein
> 
> Den 15.03.2018 22:35, skrev Paul Stenquist:
>> There is so much politics every where, so much hate and anger, that a 
>> sanctuary is much more valuable than yet another forum for vitriol. While 
>> jokes about Trudeau are offered with a grin and perhaps even a dollop of 
>> affection, there are no smiles to be seen on this side of the border. Let’s 
>> stick to our decades old policy of no politics and no religion.
>> Paul
 On Mar 15, 2018, at 5:03 PM, Bill  wrote:
 
 On 3/15/2018 2:48 PM, Bulent Celasun wrote:
 Dear PDML'ers,
 Perhaps it is time to remind my fellows here that
 there are certain places on earth where
 it is legally forbidden to make jokes about
 the supreme leader of the country.
 Not on TV, not on newspapers, not on periodicals
 and yes, not on social media.
>>> 
>>> I fear that day is coming to a North American country near us. It seems it 
>>> has come to our northern neighbors already.
 Simply ignoring a few off topic messages
 should not do any harm to anyone,
 I believe.
 I can not say the same for banning them.
 I humbly suggest that you just relax
 and enjoy your privileges.
>>> 
>>> Thank you.
>>> 
>>> bill
>>> 
>>> PS: Paul, please don't go.
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Re: OT: Political Joke

2018-03-16 Thread Jostein



Den 15.03.2018 22:39, skrev Steve Cottrell:

The man's right for God's sake.


Which one? :-P

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Re: OT: Political Joke

2018-03-16 Thread Jostein
There is a distinct difference between discussing politics and joking 
about politicians.


Oh, and Trump sucks.

there, I said it. Paraphrasing Paul's own statement about Obama from two 
election periods ago.


Opinions are like a bum; split down the middle. :-)

Jostein

Den 15.03.2018 22:35, skrev Paul Stenquist:

There is so much politics every where, so much hate and anger, that a sanctuary 
is much more valuable than yet another forum for vitriol. While jokes about 
Trudeau are offered with a grin and perhaps even a dollop of affection, there 
are no smiles to be seen on this side of the border. Let’s stick to our decades 
old policy of no politics and no religion.

Paul


On Mar 15, 2018, at 5:03 PM, Bill  wrote:


On 3/15/2018 2:48 PM, Bulent Celasun wrote:
Dear PDML'ers,
Perhaps it is time to remind my fellows here that
there are certain places on earth where
it is legally forbidden to make jokes about
the supreme leader of the country.
Not on TV, not on newspapers, not on periodicals
and yes, not on social media.


I fear that day is coming to a North American country near us. It seems it has 
come to our northern neighbors already.

Simply ignoring a few off topic messages
should not do any harm to anyone,
I believe.
I can not say the same for banning them.
I humbly suggest that you just relax
and enjoy your privileges.


Thank you.

bill

PS: Paul, please don't go.

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