OT: The joys of living in Phalaborwa

[Alan C]

Enjoy.

https://fb.watch/5McwyndXjN/

Alan C
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Lunch atop a skyscraper

[Larry Colen]

I just ran across this short video:
100photos.time.com/photos/lunch-atop-a-skyscraper

Pictures of the photographers at about 3:20


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Re: Recent departure(s) and my reflections on "online communities"

[Nolan Hinshaw]

On May 27, 2021, at 11:30, Stanley Halpin  wrote:
> 
> Hang around. Abuse and humiliation and neglect are said to be good for the 
> soul, and you can find all of that here…
> And seriously, I have fond memories of sitting around with a group, after the 
> Eye, receiving a gift of landscape images from a region I still have yet to 
> visit. And you at least have hung in there with Pentax while Cotty and Bob 
> have flitted off to other marques. No, no flouncing called for IMNSHO.

A very long time ago, long before I acquired my Asahi Pentax S-1a (1968 while 
statioed in Vicenza IT via an unindicted co-conspirator in unit security who 
made regular round trips to Japan, taking orders an d shekels and returning 
with hardware)(couldn't afford a Honeywell Spotmatic) I messed around with the 
likes of pocket Instamatics and home-brew pocket-sized pinholes, so when an 
opportunity slapped me upside the heid, I found myself with a Holga, which in 
due time bred a Diana, and away I went (with lots of encouragement from the 
likes of Ted Orland!). I *do* still have a K-1000 and a K-10D and a Tokina 
80-200 zoom and use the dickens out of them, and enjoy the badinage herein 
(Thank you LRC! for pointing the way).
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Re: Video review - K3iii

[John Francis]

On Thu, May 27, 2021 at 02:50:28PM -0700, Larry Colen wrote:
> 
> 
> > On May 27, 2021, at 2:15 PM, Bill  wrote:
> >> 
> >> It's like trying to fake stereo out of a mono recording.
> >> 
> > 
> > Infrared film is effectively making something out of nothing in that it is
> > translating something we can't see into something we can see.
> > It's not a big leap to think that software can be written to emulate it.
> > Oh wait,  it already can.
> > It's also not a big leap to think it can't be done better than how it was
> > before.
> > 
> > bill
> 
> Nope, not how it works.  If you leave the lens cap on your camera, no matter 
> what you to do the processing curves you aren???t going to get a photo.

Maybe not.  But it's not a great leap of faith to assume that there's a fairly
strong correlation between the hues a 'typical' scene produces in an image and
the way that scene would affect a hypothetical additional IR sensor.

A processor that is capable of tracking 100 AF points in real time and doing
face recognition as well isn't likely to have much difficulty doing some kind
of prediction of what a fourth sensor might see, then 'rendering' that into
something that has the same kind of look as a real IR camera might produce.

Just getting concrete, brick, steel, and sky looking right would serve for a
lot of 'IR'-ish images.

It's not a true rendition, but it may well be at least as close to reality
as a whole lot of image renditions that are created in the darkroom.
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PESO: lizard orchid

[Henk Terhell]

The lizard orchid (Himantoglossum hircinum) is a very rare species in 
our country.
I followed the growth of the only specimen of this flower known in our 
vicinity (I discovered the hidden location) and was surprised by the 
details upon blooming .


Taken with my new 55-300 PLM lens on the K-1, a nice semi macro combo.
https://flic.kr/p/2m21nXg

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RE: Recent departure(s) and my reflections on "online communities"

[jcoyle]

Stan, I think you summed up the Pentax list group in exactly the terms I would 
use.  There is a degree of camaraderie that I am not sure would be found always 
even in a group which could meet physically, and that's a wondrous thing!
Like you, Jan and I on our travels have met up with Ann  in New York, Larry and 
John in San Francisco, Mark in Boston, a whole bunch including Christine in 
Chicago, Dario in Ravenna, and all but one of our Australian members, current 
or past at various times.
I note that normally, whenever one of our group has an issue, people  do reach 
out, as was done for me when my daughter -in-law died, then again when my 
daughter died, but it does not always happen.  I made note to myself to ensure 
I do in future.


John in Brisbane



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From: Stanley Halpin  
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Subject: Recent departure(s) and my reflections on "online communities"

There was a bit of discussion (and consternation) here recently when one of the 
longtime members of this group declared “I am outta here” or words to that 
effect.

I copy/pasted much of the ensuing discussion and sent it on to the dear 
departed (sorry, can’t resist using that phrase!) Just in case he had signed 
off before the discussion occurred.  And I asked “so, what’s up with you?”

In brief, the individual has understandably been under a bit of stress. 
Spending long periods listening to warning sirens while huddled with your 
family in bomb shelters can do that to you. 

All of this got me to reflecting on this group. This is an interesting group. I 
am not sure if I was the first to make this sort of move, but back at least 20 
years ago I was at least one of the first to use the List to make connections 
when I traveled. Frank and Dave and others in Toronto, including an evening at 
a Blue Jays baseball game. Bob and Cotty and others in England. Gianfranco and 
Dario and others in Italy: Venice, Rome, Naples,Ravenna…  Lasse and others in 
Sweden and Aland. Boris in Tel Aviv and Jerusalem and Haifa. Henk and others in 
Amsterdam and Amersfoort. Rob and a bunch of others in Sydney and Melbourne and 
Adelaide. Jostein in Oslo (and Salisbury and Tenerife) and Paul and Bob in 
Milwaukee. And Mark in Boston and of course the Chicago weekend organized by 
Mark and Christine. And the Grandfather gatherings.  And photo meetups for 
weekends in D.C. And that is just me and off the top of my head. I can recall 
hearing of many NYC meetups and others, often on occasion of visitors from 
outside the U.S. passing through on business or vacation. Larry and John on the 
West Coast, Ann and Dan on the East Coast have provided something of a nexus in 
those regions.

An interesting group. Formed around a common interest in photography in 
general, the proper and effective use of Pentax gear in particular. Not exactly 
tight knit, but close enough that we can ask favors of one another, close 
enough that we can (mostly) trust one another when buying/selling gear, close 
enough that we can share our feeble attempts at artistry without fear of 
ridicule and humiliation. Maybe close enough that we could reach out to someone 
in difficulty and without feeling like an intrusive stranger? I do know that 
there is no generic answer, we members are not all alike. But, for me, for some 
of us, maybe, we could work a bit on thinking about reaching out to provide 
comfort to one another occasionally? Just a thought. 

And now back to my regularly scheduled attempt to get a decent shot of the 
Oriole at the feeder…

Stan
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Re: OT - Golden Vanity

[Henk Terhell]

Thanks for sharing Cotty, great documentary and very nice to watch.
I'll share the link to my sailing family.

Henk

Op 2021-05-22 om 22:06 schreef Steve Cottrell:

Zero Pentax content, but some may be interested in our latest video about a 
1908 gaff-rigged cutter called Golden Vanity, newly refitted and sailing in 
southern England.

Camera was a Sony F3 and mostly Nikkor 17-35/2.8 but a bit of Canon 24-105/4 as 
well

Running time about 13 minutes.



Cheers all

Cotty
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Re: Video review - K3iii

[Bill]

On Thu., May 27, 2021, 3:50 p.m. Larry Colen,  wrote:

>
>
> > On May 27, 2021, at 2:15 PM, Bill  wrote:
> >>
> >> It's like trying to fake stereo out of a mono recording.
> >>
> >
> > Infrared film is effectively making something out of nothing in that it
> is
> > translating something we can't see into something we can see.
> > It's not a big leap to think that software can be written to emulate it.
> > Oh wait,  it already can.
> > It's also not a big leap to think it can't be done better than how it was
> > before.
> >
> > bill
>
> Nope, not how it works.  If you leave the lens cap on your camera, no
> matter what you to do the processing curves you aren’t going to get a photo.
>

False equivalence.

bill


> The IR blocking filter does the same, just for light longer than about
> 600nm wl.
>
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Re: Recent departure(s) and my reflections on "online communities"

[mike wilson]

Pity.  I quite fancied a good flounce.   It's been sadly missed over lockdown.

> On 27 May 2021 at 19:30 Stanley Halpin  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hang around. Abuse and humiliation and neglect are said to be good for the 
> soul, and you can find all of that here…
> And seriously, I have fond memories of sitting around with a group, after the 
> Eye, receiving a gift of landscape images from a region I still have yet to 
> visit. And you at least have hung in there with Pentax while Cotty and Bob 
> have flitted off to other marques. No, no flouncing called for IMNSHO.
> 
> Stan
> 
> > On May 27, 2021, at 2:09 PM, mike wilson  wrote:
> > 
> > Relegated to an "other".  Should I flounce off as well?
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Nah.  It's not all about me.
> > 
> >> On 27 May 2021 at 18:51 Stanley Halpin  wrote:
> >> 
> >> 
> >> There was a bit of discussion (and consternation) here recently when one 
> >> of the longtime members of this group declared “I am outta here” or words 
> >> to that effect.
> >> 
> >> I copy/pasted much of the ensuing discussion and sent it on to the dear 
> >> departed (sorry, can’t resist using that phrase!) Just in case he had 
> >> signed off before the discussion occurred.  And I asked “so, what’s up 
> >> with you?”
> >> 
> >> In brief, the individual has understandably been under a bit of stress. 
> >> Spending long periods listening to warning sirens while huddled with your 
> >> family in bomb shelters can do that to you. 
> >> 
> >> All of this got me to reflecting on this group. This is an interesting 
> >> group. I am not sure if I was the first to make this sort of move, but 
> >> back at least 20 years ago I was at least one of the first to use the List 
> >> to make connections when I traveled. Frank and Dave and others in Toronto, 
> >> including an evening at a Blue Jays baseball game. Bob and Cotty and 
> >> others in England. Gianfranco and Dario and others in Italy: Venice, Rome, 
> >> Naples,Ravenna…  Lasse and others in Sweden and Aland. Boris in Tel Aviv 
> >> and Jerusalem and Haifa. Henk and others in Amsterdam and Amersfoort. Rob 
> >> and a bunch of others in Sydney and Melbourne and Adelaide. Jostein in 
> >> Oslo (and Salisbury and Tenerife) and Paul and Bob in Milwaukee. And Mark 
> >> in Boston and of course the Chicago weekend organized by Mark and 
> >> Christine. And the Grandfather gatherings.  And photo meetups for weekends 
> >> in D.C. And that is just me and off the top of my head. I can recall 
> >> hearing of many NYC meetups and others, often on occasion of visitors from 
> >> outside the U.S. passing through on business or vacation. Larry and John 
> >> on the West Coast, Ann and Dan on the East Coast have provided something 
> >> of a nexus in those regions.
> >> 
> >> An interesting group. Formed around a common interest in photography in 
> >> general, the proper and effective use of Pentax gear in particular. Not 
> >> exactly tight knit, but close enough that we can ask favors of one 
> >> another, close enough that we can (mostly) trust one another when 
> >> buying/selling gear, close enough that we can share our feeble attempts at 
> >> artistry without fear of ridicule and humiliation. Maybe close enough that 
> >> we could reach out to someone in difficulty and without feeling like an 
> >> intrusive stranger? I do know that there is no generic answer, we members 
> >> are not all alike. But, for me, for some of us, maybe, we could work a bit 
> >> on thinking about reaching out to provide comfort to one another 
> >> occasionally? Just a thought. 
> >> 
> >> And now back to my regularly scheduled attempt to get a decent shot of the 
> >> Oriole at the feeder…
> >> 
> >> Stan
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Re: Recent departure(s) and my reflections on "online communities"

[mike wilson]

Relegated to an "other".  Should I flounce off as well?



Nah.  It's not all about me.

> On 27 May 2021 at 18:51 Stanley Halpin  wrote:
> 
> 
> There was a bit of discussion (and consternation) here recently when one of 
> the longtime members of this group declared “I am outta here” or words to 
> that effect.
> 
> I copy/pasted much of the ensuing discussion and sent it on to the dear 
> departed (sorry, can’t resist using that phrase!) Just in case he had signed 
> off before the discussion occurred.  And I asked “so, what’s up with you?”
> 
> In brief, the individual has understandably been under a bit of stress. 
> Spending long periods listening to warning sirens while huddled with your 
> family in bomb shelters can do that to you. 
> 
> All of this got me to reflecting on this group. This is an interesting group. 
> I am not sure if I was the first to make this sort of move, but back at least 
> 20 years ago I was at least one of the first to use the List to make 
> connections when I traveled. Frank and Dave and others in Toronto, including 
> an evening at a Blue Jays baseball game. Bob and Cotty and others in England. 
> Gianfranco and Dario and others in Italy: Venice, Rome, Naples,Ravenna…  
> Lasse and others in Sweden and Aland. Boris in Tel Aviv and Jerusalem and 
> Haifa. Henk and others in Amsterdam and Amersfoort. Rob and a bunch of others 
> in Sydney and Melbourne and Adelaide. Jostein in Oslo (and Salisbury and 
> Tenerife) and Paul and Bob in Milwaukee. And Mark in Boston and of course the 
> Chicago weekend organized by Mark and Christine. And the Grandfather 
> gatherings.  And photo meetups for weekends in D.C. And that is just me and 
> off the top of my head. I can recall hearing of many NYC meetups and others, 
> often on occasion of visitors from outside the U.S. passing through on 
> business or vacation. Larry and John on the West Coast, Ann and Dan on the 
> East Coast have provided something of a nexus in those regions.
> 
> An interesting group. Formed around a common interest in photography in 
> general, the proper and effective use of Pentax gear in particular. Not 
> exactly tight knit, but close enough that we can ask favors of one another, 
> close enough that we can (mostly) trust one another when buying/selling gear, 
> close enough that we can share our feeble attempts at artistry without fear 
> of ridicule and humiliation. Maybe close enough that we could reach out to 
> someone in difficulty and without feeling like an intrusive stranger? I do 
> know that there is no generic answer, we members are not all alike. But, for 
> me, for some of us, maybe, we could work a bit on thinking about reaching out 
> to provide comfort to one another occasionally? Just a thought. 
> 
> And now back to my regularly scheduled attempt to get a decent shot of the 
> Oriole at the feeder…
> 
> Stan
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Re: Video review - K3iii

[Ralf R Radermacher]

Am 27.05.21 um 23:15 schrieb Bill:


Infrared film is effectively making something out of nothing in that it is
translating something we can't see into something we can see.


The infrared film 'sees' the IR light and turns it into something
visible. The DSLR sensor doesn't.

It just doesn't look right.


It's not a big leap to think that software can be written to emulate it.


Just like software can turn a mono recording into some kind of
left/right pingpong. May appeal to someone who doesn't know the real
thing but will never convince the serious listener.

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Re: Video review - K3iii

[Larry Colen]

> On May 27, 2021, at 2:15 PM, Bill  wrote:
>> 
>> It's like trying to fake stereo out of a mono recording.
>> 
> 
> Infrared film is effectively making something out of nothing in that it is
> translating something we can't see into something we can see.
> It's not a big leap to think that software can be written to emulate it.
> Oh wait,  it already can.
> It's also not a big leap to think it can't be done better than how it was
> before.
> 
> bill

Nope, not how it works.  If you leave the lens cap on your camera, no matter 
what you to do the processing curves you aren’t going to get a photo.

The IR blocking filter does the same, just for light longer than about 600nm 
wl. 


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RE: Video review - K3iii

[rrvelar]

Bill wrote: 

The interesting thing about computers that take pictures is that the people
who write the software can program in the characteristic curve of, in this
case, infrared film, and how it translates the invisible to the eye into
something visible and have the camera emulate the result from that
characteristic curve.

The result should be a very accurate facsimile of what IR fm does.
The smart person would look at the results with an open mind prior to
labeling them "silly".

++

No idea how well it works with these features but I've been mightily
impressed so far. I'll certainly try those modes out and see how they
perform.

Malcolm




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Re: Pentax drone photography?

[Bill]

On Thu., May 27, 2021, 11:22 a.m. John,  wrote:

> Yeah, I know that.
>
> I was wondering more about if there are drones that could carry an actual
> camera
> rather than having one built in.
>
> It's just idle curiosity.
>

Yes there are. The ones I am familiar with are made by DJI. They have a
couple of heavy lift drones. I suspect the one you would be looking at
would be their 8 rotor drone, or a similar one from another company.
The camera of choice for drone enthusiasts seems to be the Canon 5D, though
now that mirrorless cameras have taken over, it's probably a Sony that is
favored now.

Bill

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Re: Video review - K3iii

[Bill]

On Thu., May 27, 2021, 2:09 p.m. Ralf R Radermacher, 
wrote:

> Am 27.05.21 um 18:22 schrieb Bill:
>
> > The interesting thing about computers that take pictures is that the
> people
> > who write the software can program in the characteristic curve of, in
> this
> > case, infrared film...
>
> You can't make something out of nothing. Normal DSLRs have a strong
> anti-IR-filter in front of the sensor.
>
> If the infrared light doesn't reach the sensor you can't make it
> magically reappear using a 'curve'. It will never look like the real thing:
>
> https://www.fotocommunity.de/photo/la-bistade-fotoralfbe/32223101
>
> It's like trying to fake stereo out of a mono recording.
>

Infrared film is effectively making something out of nothing in that it is
translating something we can't see into something we can see.
It's not a big leap to think that software can be written to emulate it.
Oh wait,  it already can.
It's also not a big leap to think it can't be done better than how it was
before.

bill

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Re: OT - Golden Vanity

[Stanley Halpin]

Nice video! I shared with a sailor friend in California, so the Golden Vanity 
is on its way to being a round-the-worlder…

Stan

> On May 27, 2021, at 4:02 PM, Henk Terhell  wrote:
> 
> Thanks for sharing Cotty, great documentary and very nice to watch.
> I'll share the link to my sailing family.
> 
> Henk
> 
> Op 2021-05-22 om 22:06 schreef Steve Cottrell:
>> Zero Pentax content, but some may be interested in our latest video about a 
>> 1908 gaff-rigged cutter called Golden Vanity, newly refitted and sailing in 
>> southern England.
>> 
>> Camera was a Sony F3 and mostly Nikkor 17-35/2.8 but a bit of Canon 24-105/4 
>> as well
>> 
>> Running time about 13 minutes.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Cheers all
>> 
>> Cotty
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Re: Video review - K3iii

[Ralf R Radermacher]

Am 27.05.21 um 18:22 schrieb Bill:


The interesting thing about computers that take pictures is that the people
who write the software can program in the characteristic curve of, in this
case, infrared film...


You can't make something out of nothing. Normal DSLRs have a strong
anti-IR-filter in front of the sensor.

If the infrared light doesn't reach the sensor you can't make it
magically reappear using a 'curve'. It will never look like the real thing:

https://www.fotocommunity.de/photo/la-bistade-fotoralfbe/32223101

It's like trying to fake stereo out of a mono recording.

Ralf

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Re: Pentax drone photography?

[Steve Cottrell]

John,

Plenty of drones are available that can heft as big a camera as you care to 
mention! Not cheap though ;-)

Cot




On 27 May 2021, at 18:22, John  wrote:

I was wondering more about if there are drones that could carry an actual 
camera rather than having one built in.
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Re: Recent departure(s) and my reflections on "online communities"

[Stanley Halpin]

Hang around. Abuse and humiliation and neglect are said to be good for the 
soul, and you can find all of that here…
And seriously, I have fond memories of sitting around with a group, after the 
Eye, receiving a gift of landscape images from a region I still have yet to 
visit. And you at least have hung in there with Pentax while Cotty and Bob have 
flitted off to other marques. No, no flouncing called for IMNSHO.

Stan

> On May 27, 2021, at 2:09 PM, mike wilson  wrote:
> 
> Relegated to an "other".  Should I flounce off as well?
> 
> 
> 
> Nah.  It's not all about me.
> 
>> On 27 May 2021 at 18:51 Stanley Halpin  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> There was a bit of discussion (and consternation) here recently when one of 
>> the longtime members of this group declared “I am outta here” or words to 
>> that effect.
>> 
>> I copy/pasted much of the ensuing discussion and sent it on to the dear 
>> departed (sorry, can’t resist using that phrase!) Just in case he had signed 
>> off before the discussion occurred.  And I asked “so, what’s up with you?”
>> 
>> In brief, the individual has understandably been under a bit of stress. 
>> Spending long periods listening to warning sirens while huddled with your 
>> family in bomb shelters can do that to you. 
>> 
>> All of this got me to reflecting on this group. This is an interesting 
>> group. I am not sure if I was the first to make this sort of move, but back 
>> at least 20 years ago I was at least one of the first to use the List to 
>> make connections when I traveled. Frank and Dave and others in Toronto, 
>> including an evening at a Blue Jays baseball game. Bob and Cotty and others 
>> in England. Gianfranco and Dario and others in Italy: Venice, Rome, 
>> Naples,Ravenna…  Lasse and others in Sweden and Aland. Boris in Tel Aviv and 
>> Jerusalem and Haifa. Henk and others in Amsterdam and Amersfoort. Rob and a 
>> bunch of others in Sydney and Melbourne and Adelaide. Jostein in Oslo (and 
>> Salisbury and Tenerife) and Paul and Bob in Milwaukee. And Mark in Boston 
>> and of course the Chicago weekend organized by Mark and Christine. And the 
>> Grandfather gatherings.  And photo meetups for weekends in D.C. And that is 
>> just me and off the top of my head. I can recall hearing of many NYC meetups 
>> and others, often on occasion of visitors from outside the U.S. passing 
>> through on business or vacation. Larry and John on the West Coast, Ann and 
>> Dan on the East Coast have provided something of a nexus in those regions.
>> 
>> An interesting group. Formed around a common interest in photography in 
>> general, the proper and effective use of Pentax gear in particular. Not 
>> exactly tight knit, but close enough that we can ask favors of one another, 
>> close enough that we can (mostly) trust one another when buying/selling 
>> gear, close enough that we can share our feeble attempts at artistry without 
>> fear of ridicule and humiliation. Maybe close enough that we could reach out 
>> to someone in difficulty and without feeling like an intrusive stranger? I 
>> do know that there is no generic answer, we members are not all alike. But, 
>> for me, for some of us, maybe, we could work a bit on thinking about 
>> reaching out to provide comfort to one another occasionally? Just a thought. 
>> 
>> And now back to my regularly scheduled attempt to get a decent shot of the 
>> Oriole at the feeder…
>> 
>> Stan
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Recent departure(s) and my reflections on "online communities"

[Stanley Halpin]

There was a bit of discussion (and consternation) here recently when one of the 
longtime members of this group declared “I am outta here” or words to that 
effect.

I copy/pasted much of the ensuing discussion and sent it on to the dear 
departed (sorry, can’t resist using that phrase!) Just in case he had signed 
off before the discussion occurred.  And I asked “so, what’s up with you?”

In brief, the individual has understandably been under a bit of stress. 
Spending long periods listening to warning sirens while huddled with your 
family in bomb shelters can do that to you. 

All of this got me to reflecting on this group. This is an interesting group. I 
am not sure if I was the first to make this sort of move, but back at least 20 
years ago I was at least one of the first to use the List to make connections 
when I traveled. Frank and Dave and others in Toronto, including an evening at 
a Blue Jays baseball game. Bob and Cotty and others in England. Gianfranco and 
Dario and others in Italy: Venice, Rome, Naples,Ravenna…  Lasse and others in 
Sweden and Aland. Boris in Tel Aviv and Jerusalem and Haifa. Henk and others in 
Amsterdam and Amersfoort. Rob and a bunch of others in Sydney and Melbourne and 
Adelaide. Jostein in Oslo (and Salisbury and Tenerife) and Paul and Bob in 
Milwaukee. And Mark in Boston and of course the Chicago weekend organized by 
Mark and Christine. And the Grandfather gatherings.  And photo meetups for 
weekends in D.C. And that is just me and off the top of my head. I can recall 
hearing of many NYC meetups and others, often on occasion of visitors from 
outside the U.S. passing through on business or vacation. Larry and John on the 
West Coast, Ann and Dan on the East Coast have provided something of a nexus in 
those regions.

An interesting group. Formed around a common interest in photography in 
general, the proper and effective use of Pentax gear in particular. Not exactly 
tight knit, but close enough that we can ask favors of one another, close 
enough that we can (mostly) trust one another when buying/selling gear, close 
enough that we can share our feeble attempts at artistry without fear of 
ridicule and humiliation. Maybe close enough that we could reach out to someone 
in difficulty and without feeling like an intrusive stranger? I do know that 
there is no generic answer, we members are not all alike. But, for me, for some 
of us, maybe, we could work a bit on thinking about reaching out to provide 
comfort to one another occasionally? Just a thought. 

And now back to my regularly scheduled attempt to get a decent shot of the 
Oriole at the feeder…

Stan
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Re: Video review - K3iii

[Larry Colen]

> On May 27, 2021, at 9:22 AM, Bill  wrote:
> 
> On Thu., May 27, 2021, 8:28 a.m. Toine,  wrote:
> 
>> Monochrome and IR mode??? That would be monochrome jpg? And what about
>> IR mode, does it really record IR or just some silly IR look a like
>> monochrome. If it records real IR I'm sold
>> 
> 
> The interesting thing about computers that take pictures is that the people
> who write the software can program in the characteristic curve of, in this
> case, infrared film, and how it translates the invisible to the eye into
> something visible and have the camera emulate the result from that
> characteristic curve.
> 
> The result should be a very accurate facsimile of what IR fm does.
> The smart person would look at the results with an open mind prior to
> labeling them "silly”.

If I can’t pull out my IR panel lamp in a dark room and get photos, then it 
doesn’t translate IR like film.

The smart person would just do conversion to something that looks like IR film 
in post processing.


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Re: Pentax drone photography?

[Paul Sorenson]

Correct.  In the US if a drone is used for recreational purposes and 
weighs over 250 grams (.55 lb) it must be registered with the Federal 
Aviation Administration (FAA).  If a drone is used for commercial 
purposes it must be registered regardless of weight. The cost for either 
is 5 USD for 3 years.


In addition, commercial operations require you to be a licensed drone 
pilot so if you take photos or videos with your drone and sell them, 
you're supposed to be licensed.  The FAA takes a broad view on what is 
considered commercial.  It might be something as innocuous as posting 
drone photos or videos on a blog that gets a little income from sharing 
ads.  Obviously they're not going to be scrubbing through blogs and web 
sites looking for violations but there are folks who don't like drones 
who complain and then the FAA will look into it.


On 5/27/2021 10:47 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

The bigger drones require that you register and qualify with the FAA.

Dan Matyola
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On Sat, May 22, 2021 at 4:01 PM John  wrote:


Is there a drone that might be able to hoist a Pentax DSLR.

I've seen some inspiring drone nature photography lately, but no *Pentax*
drone
photography, so I'm wondering how you might go about doing it.

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Re: Video review - K3iii

[Toine]

Pfff... I guess your the smart person in this setup. And yes it's
silly especially for a $2000 cam.
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Re: Pentax drone photography?

[John]

Yeah, I know that.

I was wondering more about if there are drones that could carry an actual camera 
rather than having one built in.


It's just idle curiosity.


On 5/27/2021 11:47:04, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

The bigger drones require that you register and qualify with the FAA.

Dan Matyola
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On Sat, May 22, 2021 at 4:01 PM John  wrote:


Is there a drone that might be able to hoist a Pentax DSLR.

I've seen some inspiring drone nature photography lately, but no *Pentax*
drone
photography, so I'm wondering how you might go about doing it.




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Re: Video review - K3iii

[Bill]

On Thu., May 27, 2021, 8:28 a.m. Toine,  wrote:

> Monochrome and IR mode??? That would be monochrome jpg? And what about
> IR mode, does it really record IR or just some silly IR look a like
> monochrome. If it records real IR I'm sold
>

The interesting thing about computers that take pictures is that the people
who write the software can program in the characteristic curve of, in this
case, infrared film, and how it translates the invisible to the eye into
something visible and have the camera emulate the result from that
characteristic curve.

The result should be a very accurate facsimile of what IR fm does.
The smart person would look at the results with an open mind prior to
labeling them "silly".

bill
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Re: Pentax drone photography?

[Daniel J. Matyola]

The bigger drones require that you register and qualify with the FAA.

Dan Matyola
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On Sat, May 22, 2021 at 4:01 PM John  wrote:

> Is there a drone that might be able to hoist a Pentax DSLR.
>
> I've seen some inspiring drone nature photography lately, but no *Pentax*
> drone
> photography, so I'm wondering how you might go about doing it.
>
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Re: OT: Amish on holiday – photo essay | Society | The Guardian

[Daniel J. Matyola]

Interesting article and images.  Thanks for sharing the link!

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On Thu, May 27, 2021 at 8:46 AM Bob Pdml  wrote:

>
>
> https://www.theguardian.com/society/2019/may/31/amish-on-holiday-sarasota-florida-dina-litovsky-photo-essay
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Re: Video review - K3iii

[Ralf R Radermacher]

Am 27.05.21 um 16:28 schrieb Toine:

Monochrome and IR mode??? That would be monochrome jpg? And what about
IR mode, does it really record IR or just some silly IR look a like
monochrome. If it records real IR I'm sold


More like the famous wax crayon and finger paint filters, I suppose...

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Re: Video review - K3iii

[Toine]

Monochrome and IR mode??? That would be monochrome jpg? And what about
IR mode, does it really record IR or just some silly IR look a like
monochrome. If it records real IR I'm sold

On Thu, 27 May 2021 at 16:16, Paul Sorenson  wrote:
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> https://www.dpreview.com/videos/6159040727/going-out-of-this-world-with-neil-buckland-and-the-pentax-k-3-iii?utm_source=newsletter_medium=email_campaign=2021-may-26_=pe_1822230_585762530_dpr_nl_479_15
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Video review - K3iii

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https://www.dpreview.com/videos/6159040727/going-out-of-this-world-with-neil-buckland-and-the-pentax-k-3-iii?utm_source=newsletter_medium=email_campaign=2021-may-26_=pe_1822230_585762530_dpr_nl_479_15

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OT: Amish on holiday – photo essay | Society | The Guardian

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https://www.theguardian.com/society/2019/may/31/amish-on-holiday-sarasota-florida-dina-litovsky-photo-essay
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Re: PESO: Supermoon Lunar Eclipse

[David Mann]

Thanks for the feedback, everyone.

We didn't quite get totality here.  I think the photo I posted was about the 
maximum.

I realised partway through the eclipse that having the stars in there was a bit 
more interesting. I didn't quite go this far though...
https://xkcd.com/2463/

Exposure was done through trial and error.  The histogram was of no use.  I 
found that exposures of several seconds caused a bit of blur so I settled on 
1/2s at ISO800.

Getting it reasonably in focus was largely luck.  Infinity focus is pretty hard 
to get manually with that lens.  At first I used AF, then when the moon became 
too dark I switched to manual and used Live View zoomed in, which wasn't 
amazing in such dark conditions but it did the job well enough.  Once it was 
set I left it there.  I was taking my chances a bit as I had the lens wide open 
to shorten the exposure.

I was also quite lucky with the weather.  For most of the evening we had a lot 
of patchy fast-moving cloud at low altitude.  It mostly cleared away about 15 
mins before the eclipse started.  Before the eclipse I could see the moon 
through the cloud but it would have made things difficult as the moon darkened.

Cheers,
Dave

> On May 27, 2021, at 7:57 AM, Toine  wrote:
> 
> Nice! and a clear sky. We have to wait a year or so to see one.
> 
> On Wed, 26 May 2021 at 14:07, David Mann  wrote:
>> 
>> Just a quick upload before I go to bed far too late.  I need a darker 
>> template on my website but it'll have to do.
>> 
>> http://gallery.multi.net.nz/photo/1121/#peso
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Dave
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