Does anyone know for sure that the existing
software in the MZ-S could
not
operate an FAJ lens aperture? Or why a firmware
upgrade could not be
installed to provide it (at no cost, of course)?
Solid reasoning only please, no wild speculation!
Question. Who would want to
Chris wrote:
I pointed out
that Nikon users said the same thing, and that Nikon, a very
well-respected camera company, obviously thought that there was a very
good reason to remove the ring, so they did. Let's see... Canon and
Minolta have no aperture rings... now Nikon is slowly removing
I knew there was something else I liked about my PZ-1p. The ability to
control the aperture from the body, without an aperture ring. You say that
the MZ-S can't do this?
Len
---
On MZ-S, the program shift is achieved by turning the aperture ring of
the lens to aperture priority mode. If a
Chris wrote:
We obviously have different opinions on this, but I never believe
anyone who insists that something is impossible, especially when it's
happened to every other major camera companies' lenses.
I never said anything was impossible.I even said that they may switch to the Canon
Chan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: On USM and KAF2/KAF3 (was Re: End of K-mount?
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 17:00:49 -0800
Perhaps it could be done with a switch on the lens to determine which AF
method was used? Something like AF/USM switch. When
Antti-Pekka Virjonen wrote:
On the other hand I think there is no need to implement USM at all. The
shaft/pin
drive methods works about as fast and good as the USM competition and it
allows
the lenses to be cheaper without the motor.
For wide-angle to short telephoto lens, your point is
Bojidar Dimitrov wrote:
I imagine that the FAJ lenses behave like an A, F or FA lenses set on
the A aperture. Due to MZ-S's program-shift, you should be able to
deliberately set any aperture value you want.
Strictly speaking, MZ-S doesn't have program-shift. When the aperture is
set on
I guess I don't understand this. I assume that the FAJ lenses would act
like an A or FA lens on A. This means that the body would pick the Av
and Tv. Turning the main dial on the MZ-S would cycle though
combinations of Av and Tv that still work. (This is just like a program
shift) Manual mode
Steve,
That sounds right to me. When I used PZ-1p's and you had a dial to
spin for shutter and one for aperture, it seemed like two are
necessary/useful. In reality, shifting one shifts the other. The one
difference is in the case of over/underexposure control, you could
specify whether the
I downloaded the MZ-S manual. In program mode the camera picks a f
stop/shutter speed combination, and that is THE one and only one it will
use in program mode for that given EV. With program shift you can select
any f stop/shutter speed combination that gives the same EV. This is
usually
Mike wrote:
I don¹t have any inside track or any great knowledge of this, but personally I doubt
very much we'll see any Pentax lenses with either of these technologies at any time
in the foreseeable future.
Next month is the perfect time for new product releases as major shows are scheduled
: Mike Johnston [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 13 February 2003 01:32
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: End of K-mount?
With all due respect, Sigma has HSM and now OS. Maybe you
cant do a
carbon copy of Canon, but no reason why you cant do your own. If
Sigma can do it then damn
Chris wrote:
Sure there is. Just look at the direction Nikon is taking, and look at
how Nikon users felt when the first G lenses came out. They started out
by releasing a very few low-end lenses with limited compatibility: their
28-80, 28-100 and 70-300. No big deal, right? Just a few
Let's say that KAF3 is coming and does support USM. USM lenses are made
and sold.
OK... so, again, my limited knowledge says that USM puts the AF motor in
the lens, and not the body. This means that the screw-drive method for the
camera communicating to the lens the focus is useless.
Is it then
Is it then possible that USM lenses will be AF backwards compatable with
any body that doesn't not support KAF3?
I guess everything is possible but it is highly unlikely.
Pål
Chris wrote:
Since when did it become reasonable to assume that Pentax will never ever
do something that Nikon did?
This is still completely absurd. It is major difference between assuming or believeing
something will happen before it happens, and asuming things won't happen uintil you
Certainly not. According to Pentax KAF3 patents, both IS and USM will
work without sacrificing compatibility.
IS=Image Stabilization, but what is USM?
Ultra Sonic Motor.
LOOB
Load of old bollocks!
Cotty
Picking up the pieces after the CPU went in my road warrior PowerBook.
Like Arnie,
gfen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Is it then possible that USM lenses will be AF backwards compatable with
any body that doesn't not support KAF3?
It's certainly technically possible, but the real question is whether
it's economically practical. You'd have to have both conventional and
USM focusing
Dear all,
Steven wrote:
I assume that this KAJ lens would work on an MZ-s. You just could only
use the program shift mode to change aperature and would have to use
exposure compensation for everything else.
On MZ-S, the program shift is achieved by turning the aperture ring of the
lens to
Perhaps it could be done with a switch on the lens to determine which AF
method was used? Something like AF/USM switch. When the switch was in AF
position, the power for the USM would be disconnected and the lens acted
like a regular Pentax AF lens. When the switch was set to USM, the
Hi,
[...] Granted they have released a
70-200 f2.8 IF-ED G lens, I don't think most Nikon
owners are worried that Nikon will abandon the F-mount
Nikon has already abandoned the old F-mount. Or is your idea of full
compatibility having to buy the F-100 (price $1000+) ?
If Pentax goes along
Boz wrote:
If Pentax goes along the same way (and they must, if they are to compete
with Nikon and Canon), then our K and M lenses are doomed.
Certainly not. According to Pentax KAF3 patents, both IS and USM will work without
sacrificing compatibility.
Pål
Henry wrote:
My problem is, if Pentax to going to release more lenses with FAJ mount to
match the coming D-SLR, I will be gone to Canon.
The FAJ lenses are not intended for a DSLR but for entry level film slr's.
There's no point for me to
remain staying with Pentax because my existing
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
Certainly not. According to Pentax KAF3 patents, both IS and USM will
work without sacrificing compatibility.
IS=Image Stabilization, but what is USM?
The autofocus actuator requires an Ultra Small Motor to drive it!
keith whaley
Gregory L. Hansen wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
Certainly not. According to Pentax KAF3 patents, both IS and USM will
work without sacrificing compatibility.
IS=Image Stabilization, but what is USM?
--- Keith Whaley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The autofocus actuator requires an Ultra Small Motor
to drive it!
keith whaley
Gregory L. Hansen wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
Certainly not. According to Pentax KAF3 patents,
both IS and USM will
work without sacrificing
It was great response, Alan!! Why to change to Canon/Nikon if maybe Pentax introduces
similar technology with any kind of compatibility? If so for many of us it will be
still the best mount. Hope our dreams come true.
Alek
Uytkownik Alan Chan [EMAIL PROTECTED] napisa:
My problem is, if Pentax to
Aihe: Re: End of K-mount?
I must admit that I was a bit hysterical last night when I first read the
news at around midnight. These are the last things that I wish to learn
before going to bed.
Henry,
One thing I learned during the time I was on the LUG: never read mailing
list e-mail before
Peter Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Because the mount can be backward compatible doesn't mean it will be. That
takes an act of will. There is nothing to prevent KAF3 mounts to be on J
lenses only.
So you think they'll make new high-tech lenses that are incompatible
with their
Pål Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The whole thing is about people claiming Pentax will abandon
compatibility because they have released two lenses with
limited compatibility. It is absurd. Theres no basis for any
such conclusion. Pentax have released bodies with the same
limitation years
If Pentax takes away the aperture ring at the same time when
introducing the new technologies like ultrasonic motor and image
stabilizing, that's the end of my investment on Pentax equipment. I feel
betrayed for my long patience on Pentax.
Henry,
With all due respect, I think you may be
Mike wrote:
But where have you heard about Pentax introducing USM or IS lenses? From
what I've heard, both those technologies are closely controlled by Canon.
Maybe for USM. For IS, however, there are several patents holders. The optics seems to
me mostly Asahi patents. The only thing Canon
I also predict I won't be proven wrong for a few
years, and then nobody here would remember, so it's like a freebie for me.
*chuckle*
Okay by me, Matt! I stand corrected! g
Thanks for the correction.
keith whaley
Matt Greene wrote:
--- Keith Whaley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The autofocus actuator requires an Ultra Small Motor
to drive it!
keith whaley
Gregory L. Hansen wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
Huh? Nothing preventing them to releadse them with Canon mount ether! The
whole thing is about people claiming Pentax will abandon compatibility because
they have released two lenses with limited compatibility. It is absurd. Theres
no basis for any such conclusion. Pentax have released bodies
On Wed, 12 Feb 2003, Mike Johnston wrote:
But where have you heard about Pentax introducing USM or IS lenses? From
I was under the impression that IS patents were put out by Pentax many
years ago, and further more that the current IS and VR lenses were based
on these patents?
I won't fight if
Mike Johnston wrote:
[...]
Perhaps it is human nature to extrapolate.
Well, it sure is on PDML, pilgrim! g
keith whaley
g
--Mike
I've never heard of ANY patent lasting only 7 years,
17 is about the minimum isnt it?.
JCO
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From: Gregory L. Hansen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 3:49 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: End of K-mount?
Mike Johnston said
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I've never heard of ANY patent lasting only 7 years,
17 is about the minimum isnt it?.
JCO
in the US, yes.
Herb
gfen wrote:
I was under the impression that IS patents were put out by Pentax many
years ago, and further more that the current IS and VR lenses were based
on these patents?
Pentax put out their first IS patent in '89, 90 or 91 (I don't remember). They are the
oldest patents I can find on
On 12 Feb 2003 at 14:38, gfen wrote:
As for USM? Perhaps I'm missing the point of just what makes USM
special..I was under the impression that the biggest difference was that
there was a motor in each lens to focus, and not a motor in the body with
a screw... While there may be a patent for
With all due respect, Sigma has HSM and now OS. Maybe you cant do a
carbon copy of Canon, but no reason why you cant do your own. If Sigma
can do it then damn sure Pentax can!
Rob,
You may be right. (I wasn't even aware of HSM and OS.) On the other hand,
maybe Canon is willing to license to
Except no matter how much complaints there are, Nikon fans still stick with
Nikon no matter what. Many people worship NIKON, don't think Pentax can
afford that.
regards,
Alan Chan
Sure there is. Just look at the direction Nikon is taking, and look at
how Nikon users felt when the first G
But where have you heard about Pentax introducing USM or IS lenses? From
what I've heard, both those technologies are closely controlled by Canon.
The only reason Nikon has them is that MITI forced Canon to share. Olympus,
for instance, had a big hit with the digital UZI, but could not make a
Well, to be fair, there were a lot of Nikon users who switched to Canon
when Canon began beating Nikon to the punch on too many technologies: USM,
IS, and then the leapfrogging DSLR race. I don't think Nikon can count on
as much user loyalty now that more and more people are going digital.
Mike Johnston [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The only reason Nikon has them is that MITI forced Canon to share.
Could that happen in the USA? I thought that only occurred in Ayn Rand's
epic novel, Atlas Shrugged, where Hank Rearden spends years perfecting a
copper-titanium alloy (Rearden steel) that
Frankly, all I expect for PMA of interest for most PDML's (I exclude the
various PS; digital or not) are the DSLR, maybe in prototype form, a chap
film SLR, a few new lenses made for the DSLR, maybe one or two that don't
cover full image cycle. Thats about it. Anything else I take as a bonus.
On 12 Feb 2003 at 16:31, Alan Chan wrote:
I like the Contax manual focus SLR system too, and my friend has a system
ready to be sold. However, the future of the Contax system certainly doesn't
appear as bright as Pentax imho.
If the right products aren't presented at PMA it won't be far
P - A - T- I - E - N - C - E!!
Just wait and see what PMA really brings.
Arnold
Iren Henry Chu schrieb:
Dear all,
I feel sick by the news of two new KAJ mount lenses.
I think it signals the end of K-mount afterall. Obviously, the new
user manual is designed for future use, as the KAJ
Arnold wrote:
P - A - T- I - E - N - C - E!!
We don't have to wait very long
Pål
11, 2003 4:36 PM
Subject: End of K-mount?
Dear all,
I feel sick by the news of two new KAJ mount lenses.
I think it signals the end of K-mount afterall. Obviously, the new user
manual is designed for future use, as the KAJ lenses are yet to be released.
This implies
For God's sake man! Pull yourself together SLAP before blurting out
HTML code advice relating to humerous postings on email lists!
I hope Henry isn't dangling from a tree branch by now. KAJ my arse!
LOL.
Shouldn't there be a slap SLAP before that last statement?
At 06:19 PM 2/11/2003 +,
Boy, I don't see why such over-reaction.
regards,
Alan Chan
I feel sick by the news of two new KAJ mount lenses.
I think it signals the end of K-mount afterall. Obviously, the new user
manual is designed for future use, as the KAJ lenses are yet to be
released. This implies
Dear all,
Good grief! How is possible to react in the way cited below to the fact
that Pentax release two bottom level lenses? We had the same sort of
reaction when they released the first plastic mount lenses. Suddenly all
Pentax lenses would use plastic mounts! Pentax is just releasing the
Henry wrote:
My problem is, if Pentax to going to release more
lenses with FAJ mount to
match the coming D-SLR, I will be gone to Canon.
Uhhh, didn't Nikon release some bottom-end G lenses a
couple of years ago? Granted they have released a
70-200 f2.8 IF-ED G lens, I don't think most Nikon
I must admit that I was a bit hysterical last night when I first read the
news at around midnight. These are the last things that I wish to learn
before going to bed.
Henry,
One thing I learned during the time I was on the LUG: never read mailing
list e-mail before bedtime! g
The LUG could
:50:16 +0800
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Subject: Re: End of K-mount?
Resent-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 19:50:25 -0500
Dear all,
Good grief! How is possible to react in the way cited below to the fact
that Pentax release two bottom level lenses? We had the same sort
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