Re: Hey Cory! New Canon 6D has wi-fi!

2012-09-19 Thread Steve Cottrell
On 17/9/12, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed:

Some people are way beyond pixel-peeping, they've
started peeping at pixels that don't even exist yet.

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Re: Hey Cory! New Canon 6D has wi-fi!

2012-09-18 Thread David J Brooks
On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 11:02 PM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote:
 From: Mark Roberts



 http://www.dpreview.com/news/2012/09/17/Canon-announces-eos-6d-enthusiast-level-wi-fi-capable-full-frame-dslr

 It's full-frame (of course) and has built-in wi-fi connectivity.
 Built-in GPS, too.



 Built in GPS would be a nice to have feature.

It sure would. I can take a photo of my truck keys and when i lose
them know were they are.

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Re: Hey Cory! New Canon 6D has wi-fi!

2012-09-18 Thread Larry Colen

On Sep 17, 2012, at 5:37 PM, Darren Addy wrote:

 This blog post does a thumbnail spec comparison between the 6D and Nikon D600
 http://www.photographyblog.com/news/canon_6d_vs_nikon_d600_-_key_differences/

Over the last weekend, and especially since I started looking at my photos, 
I've been thinking about what features would be important to me.

As to GPS, there are times that it would be very nice to have it in the camera. 
 Although I'd much prefer that the astrotracer menu didn't suck.
The astrotracer feature is a brilliant hack, but it is a huge pain in the ass 
to use.  A friend of mine just posted on facebook how cool astrotracer looks.  
I commented that I really like it, and she asked if she could borrow mine.  I 
pointed out that not only will it not work with her canon, it is impossible for 
it to work on her canon.

 
 One thing that jumps out at me is the same -3EV to 18EV spec for AF
 Sensitivity. Identical (if memory serves) to the specs for the new
 Pentax K-5ii and K-5iis.

I would love to have the K-5 focus better in low light.  I need for the 
autofocus area to be more precise.  I lost a lot of photos because of either 
poor focus, or because the camera focused on something that I thought was way 
out of the focus selection area.

 
 But on the other hand, the number of AF points and sensors on the
 Nikon sort of put the 6D to shame. I also would hate that the 6D has
 no pop-up flash. Sure you aren't going to do serious photography
 with the pop-up flash, but what a paint to have to put on your big
 flash to do anything that couldn't be achieve with available light.

I actually used my pop-up flash a couple of times this weekend for fill.  And, 
frankly, had better luck with it than I did with the AF540.

 
 ISO is two stops better on the Canon. I think we are seeing
 philosophies of What is Important starting to diverge between
 manufacturers.

It will be interesting to see how the new cameras rate on DxOmark.


 
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Re: Hey Cory! New Canon 6D has wi-fi!

2012-09-18 Thread John Sessoms

From: Larry Colen


On Sep 17, 2012, at 5:37 PM, Darren Addy wrote:


This blog post does a thumbnail spec comparison between the 6D and Nikon D600
http://www.photographyblog.com/news/canon_6d_vs_nikon_d600_-_key_differences/


Over the last weekend, and especially since I started looking at my
photos, I've been thinking about what features would be important to me.

As to GPS, there are times that it would be very nice to have it in the
camera. Although I'd much prefer that the astrotracer menu didn't suck.
The astrotracer feature is a brilliant hack, but it is a huge pain in
the ass to use. A friend of mine just posted on facebook how cool
astrotracer looks. I commented that I really like it, and she asked if
she could borrow mine. I pointed out that not only will it not work with
her canon, it is impossible for it to work on her canon.



There are occasions when I would like to remember exactly where I was 
when I made a photograph.


So far, if I *do* want the location for a photo I can usually find it 
with Google maps  add the coordinates to the key words using Adobe Bridge.


If it location was automagically in the EXIF that would be cool, but I 
haven't found GPS to always be that reliable. My hand-held unit, an 
early generation Garmin Rino 120, is subject to terrain interference a 
lot. Plus, it takes a long time to acquire enough satellites.


I'm wondering just how robust an in camera unit would actually be?

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Re: Hey Cory! New Canon 6D has wi-fi!

2012-09-18 Thread John Francis
On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 12:54:41PM -0400, John Sessoms wrote:
 
 I'm wondering just how robust an in camera [GPS] unit would actually be?

At a guess, I'd say it would be comparable to those found in smartphones.

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Re: Hey Cory! New Canon 6D has wi-fi!

2012-09-18 Thread Toralf Lund

On 9/18/12 20:15, John Francis wrote:

On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 12:54:41PM -0400, John Sessoms wrote:

I'm wondering just how robust an in camera [GPS] unit would actually be?

At a guess, I'd say it would be comparable to those found in smartphones.
Another question is what the battery consumption would be like. My 
smartphone seems to run out of power a lot faster with GPS enabled...


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Re: Hey Cory! New Canon 6D has wi-fi!

2012-09-18 Thread Mark Roberts
John Francis jo...@panix.com wrote:

On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 12:54:41PM -0400, John Sessoms wrote:
 
 I'm wondering just how robust an in camera [GPS] unit would actually be?

At a guess, I'd say it would be comparable to those found in smartphones.

I'd be more concerned with accuracy than ruggedness. I've charted my
photo locations at Grandfather Mountain over the years, upgrading GPS
receivers along the way: The number of channels, WAAS capability, etc.
have improved with each iteration. I record my coordinates in UTM
format, so it's been easy to see the big improvement in accuracy along
the way (some of the measurements I made with my first unit would vary
by over 100 meters the next time I visited the same spot); the time
required to initially lock on to satellites and to stabilize at a
specific location has been drastically reduced.

Of course, this is moot if your GPS gives you the accuracy you *need*.
At GFM a 10 meter discrepency can be the difference between getting a
nice view or no view at all or plunging off a cliff to your death. If
you just need to know that a shot was taken in Lexington, Kentucky or
Portland, Maine I'd think any GPS would do ;-)

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Re: Hey Cory! New Canon 6D has wi-fi!

2012-09-18 Thread John Sessoms

From: John Francis


On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 12:54:41PM -0400, John Sessoms wrote:


I'm wondering just how robust an in camera [GPS] unit would actually be?


At a guess, I'd say it would be comparable to those found in smartphones.


So how effective would that be in terms of like I ever lose some weight 
and actually manage to join the annual Saturday morning Mark Roberts 
Mountain-Goat-a-Thon at GFM one year?


(Don't laugh. It could happen.)

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Re: Hey Cory! New Canon 6D has wi-fi!

2012-09-18 Thread John Francis
On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 05:58:03PM -0400, John Sessoms wrote:
 From: John Francis
 
 On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 12:54:41PM -0400, John Sessoms wrote:
 
 I'm wondering just how robust an in camera [GPS] unit would actually be?
 
 At a guess, I'd say it would be comparable to those found in smartphones.
 
 So how effective would that be in terms of like I ever lose some
 weight and actually manage to join the annual Saturday morning Mark
 Roberts Mountain-Goat-a-Thon at GFM one year?
 
 (Don't laugh. It could happen.)

I find the position information in my Droid 3 (or my wife's Galaxy SIII)
to be far superior to the Garmin Nuvi we had four or five years ago. I
don't know how much of that is from the GPS, and how much comes from
software monitoring feedback from cellphone towers and known wireless
networks (both of which are in fairly short supply at GFM).

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Re: Hey Cory! New Canon 6D has wi-fi!

2012-09-18 Thread Mark Roberts
John Francis wrote:

On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 05:58:03PM -0400, John Sessoms wrote:
 From: John Francis
 
 On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 12:54:41PM -0400, John Sessoms wrote:
 
 I'm wondering just how robust an in camera [GPS] unit would actually be?
 
 At a guess, I'd say it would be comparable to those found in smartphones.
 
 So how effective would that be in terms of like I ever lose some
 weight and actually manage to join the annual Saturday morning Mark
 Roberts Mountain-Goat-a-Thon at GFM one year?
 
 (Don't laugh. It could happen.)

I find the position information in my Droid 3 (or my wife's Galaxy SIII)
to be far superior to the Garmin Nuvi we had four or five years ago. I
don't know how much of that is from the GPS, and how much comes from
software monitoring feedback from cellphone towers and known wireless
networks (both of which are in fairly short supply at GFM).

There are some places on/around GFM (particularly on the northern
side) where even my latest GPS loses enough satellites to give no
positioning data at all (I think GPS requires 4 or 3 satellites,
minimum). There's a very winding section of the Profile Trail where my
GPS track just shows an arrow-straight line between where it dropped
signal and where it recovered it.

 
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Re: Hey Cory! New Canon 6D has wi-fi!

2012-09-18 Thread Larry Colen

On Sep 18, 2012, at 6:47 PM, John Francis wrote:

 I find the position information in my Droid 3 (or my wife's Galaxy SIII)
 to be far superior to the Garmin Nuvi we had four or five years ago. I
 don't know how much of that is from the GPS, and how much comes from
 software monitoring feedback from cellphone towers and known wireless
 networks (both of which are in fairly short supply at GFM).


I often find that the accuracy of my O-GPS1 to be measured in feet.  It's mind 
boggling really.

Then again, sometimes the error is measured in miles.  

I've found that an overcast sky can completely flummox the GPS in my phone.  

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Hey Cory! New Canon 6D has wi-fi!

2012-09-17 Thread Mark Roberts
http://www.dpreview.com/news/2012/09/17/Canon-announces-eos-6d-enthusiast-level-wi-fi-capable-full-frame-dslr

It's full-frame (of course) and has built-in wi-fi connectivity.
Built-in GPS, too.

 
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Re: Hey Cory! New Canon 6D has wi-fi!

2012-09-17 Thread Doug Brewer

On 9/17/12 6:33 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:

http://www.dpreview.com/news/2012/09/17/Canon-announces-eos-6d-enthusiast-level-wi-fi-capable-full-frame-dslr

It's full-frame (of course) and has built-in wi-fi connectivity.
Built-in GPS, too.




yeah, but it sucks as a phone.

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Re: Hey Cory! New Canon 6D has wi-fi!

2012-09-17 Thread Paul Stenquist
A good buy at $2099. That seems to be the new price point for entry level full 
frame.
Paul
On Sep 17, 2012, at 6:33 PM, Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com wrote:

 http://www.dpreview.com/news/2012/09/17/Canon-announces-eos-6d-enthusiast-level-wi-fi-capable-full-frame-dslr
 
 It's full-frame (of course) and has built-in wi-fi connectivity.
 Built-in GPS, too.
 
 
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Re: Hey Cory! New Canon 6D has wi-fi!

2012-09-17 Thread Mark Roberts
Doug Brewer wrote:

On 9/17/12 6:33 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:
 http://www.dpreview.com/news/2012/09/17/Canon-announces-eos-6d-enthusiast-level-wi-fi-capable-full-frame-dslr

 It's full-frame (of course) and has built-in wi-fi connectivity.
 Built-in GPS, too.

yeah, but it sucks as a phone.

Can you Skype with it? Perhaps you could video chat through the rear
panel LCD.
 
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Re: Hey Cory! New Canon 6D has wi-fi!

2012-09-17 Thread Doug Brewer

On 9/17/12 6:49 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:

Doug Brewer wrote:


On 9/17/12 6:33 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:

http://www.dpreview.com/news/2012/09/17/Canon-announces-eos-6d-enthusiast-level-wi-fi-capable-full-frame-dslr

It's full-frame (of course) and has built-in wi-fi connectivity.
Built-in GPS, too.


yeah, but it sucks as a phone.


Can you Skype with it? Perhaps you could video chat through the rear
panel LCD.



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Re: Hey Cory! New Canon 6D has wi-fi!

2012-09-17 Thread Darren Addy
Only 20MP on a full frame size sensor seems rather low resolution. I,
for one, will be very interested to see what a 6D image cropped to the
K-5/K-5ii/K-5iis pixel dimensions (particularly at comparable high
ISOs) looks like compared to the IQ of the aforementioned Pentax
cameras.



On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 6:04 PM, Doug Brewer d...@alphoto.com wrote:
 On 9/17/12 6:49 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:

 Doug Brewer wrote:

 On 9/17/12 6:33 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:


 http://www.dpreview.com/news/2012/09/17/Canon-announces-eos-6d-enthusiast-level-wi-fi-capable-full-frame-dslr

 It's full-frame (of course) and has built-in wi-fi connectivity.
 Built-in GPS, too.


 yeah, but it sucks as a phone.


 Can you Skype with it? Perhaps you could video chat through the rear
 panel LCD.


 more importantly: can I check my PDML mail?


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Re: Hey Cory! New Canon 6D has wi-fi!

2012-09-17 Thread Mark Roberts
Darren Addy wrote:

Only 20MP on a full frame size sensor seems rather low resolution.

The Leica M-E has only 18 megapixels. ;-)
 
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Re: Hey Cory! New Canon 6D has wi-fi!

2012-09-17 Thread Mark Roberts
Doug Brewer wrote:

On 9/17/12 6:49 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:
 Doug Brewer wrote:

 On 9/17/12 6:33 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:
 http://www.dpreview.com/news/2012/09/17/Canon-announces-eos-6d-enthusiast-level-wi-fi-capable-full-frame-dslr

 It's full-frame (of course) and has built-in wi-fi connectivity.
 Built-in GPS, too.

 yeah, but it sucks as a phone.

 Can you Skype with it? Perhaps you could video chat through the rear
 panel LCD.

more importantly: can I check my PDML mail?

You can probably check your email on it, but it's a Canon so it will
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Re: Hey Cory! New Canon 6D has wi-fi!

2012-09-17 Thread Stan Halpin

On Sep 17, 2012, at 8:15 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:

 Darren Addy wrote:
 
 Only 20MP on a full frame size sensor seems rather low resolution.
 
 The Leica M-E has only 18 megapixels. ;-)
 
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A comment on the new Canon, plucked from DPReview:

 -The 6D is proof that Canon doesn't have the RD to keep up with the 
 competition. -Canon simply went to its parts bin and threw a bunch of newer 
 and older tech together to make this camera.
 -They have the gall to give us YET again that ancient AF???
 -And then they price it at the same price as the D600, even with lower pixel 
 count???
 The 6D is nothing but a hastily thrown together desperate attempt by an 
 arrogant company that didn't see the D600 coming.

It seems that others also have a love/hate relationship with their toy makers.

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RE: Hey Cory! New Canon 6D has wi-fi!

2012-09-17 Thread J.C. O'Connell
dont forget that a 20 Mp FF image will be higher system resolution
than a 20 MP aps image due to optical lens limitations

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Only 20MP on a full frame size sensor seems rather low resolution. I,
for one, will be very interested to see what a 6D image cropped to the
K-5/K-5ii/K-5iis pixel dimensions (particularly at comparable high
ISOs) looks like compared to the IQ of the aforementioned Pentax
cameras.



On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 6:04 PM, Doug Brewer d...@alphoto.com wrote:
 On 9/17/12 6:49 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:

 Doug Brewer wrote:

 On 9/17/12 6:33 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:



http://www.dpreview.com/news/2012/09/17/Canon-announces-eos-6d-enthusiast-le
vel-wi-fi-capable-full-frame-dslr

 It's full-frame (of course) and has built-in wi-fi connectivity.
 Built-in GPS, too.


 yeah, but it sucks as a phone.


 Can you Skype with it? Perhaps you could video chat through the rear
 panel LCD.


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Re: Hey Cory! New Canon 6D has wi-fi!

2012-09-17 Thread Bruce Walker
On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 8:15 PM, Mark Roberts
postmas...@robertstech.com wrote:
 Darren Addy wrote:

Only 20MP on a full frame size sensor seems rather low resolution.

 The Leica M-E has only 18 megapixels. ;-)

Those are magic brass Leica megapixels though. Not directly comparable
in this space-time continuum.

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Re: Hey Cory! New Canon 6D has wi-fi!

2012-09-17 Thread Darren Addy
This blog post does a thumbnail spec comparison between the 6D and Nikon D600
http://www.photographyblog.com/news/canon_6d_vs_nikon_d600_-_key_differences/

One thing that jumps out at me is the same -3EV to 18EV spec for AF
Sensitivity. Identical (if memory serves) to the specs for the new
Pentax K-5ii and K-5iis.

But on the other hand, the number of AF points and sensors on the
Nikon sort of put the 6D to shame. I also would hate that the 6D has
no pop-up flash. Sure you aren't going to do serious photography
with the pop-up flash, but what a paint to have to put on your big
flash to do anything that couldn't be achieve with available light.

ISO is two stops better on the Canon. I think we are seeing
philosophies of What is Important starting to diverge between
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Re: Hey Cory! New Canon 6D has wi-fi!

2012-09-17 Thread Mark Roberts
Stan Halpin wrote:

A comment on the new Canon, plucked from DPReview:

 -The 6D is proof that Canon doesn't have the RD to keep up with the 
 competition. -Canon simply went to its parts bin and threw a bunch of newer 
 and older tech together to make this camera.
 -They have the gall to give us YET again that ancient AF???
 -And then they price it at the same price as the D600, even with lower pixel 
 count???
 The 6D is nothing but a hastily thrown together desperate attempt by an 
 arrogant company that didn't see the D600 coming.

It seems that others also have a love/hate relationship with their toy makers.

I've seen (but not read) threads comparing the AF between the K-5 and
K-5II and between the K-5IIs (no AA filter)and a 24 megapixel camera
with an AA filter... even though the camera itself isn't available for
anyone to do the comparison yet. In fact, I've seen far stupider
threads there. Some people are way beyond pixel-peeping, they've
started peeping at pixels that don't even exist yet.

That's why I rarely post there. Too easy to get sucked into the
stupidity vortex.
 
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Re: Hey Cory! New Canon 6D has wi-fi!

2012-09-17 Thread P. J. Alling

On 9/17/2012 6:36 PM, Doug Brewer wrote:

On 9/17/12 6:33 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:
http://www.dpreview.com/news/2012/09/17/Canon-announces-eos-6d-enthusiast-level-wi-fi-capable-full-frame-dslr 



It's full-frame (of course) and has built-in wi-fi connectivity.
Built-in GPS, too.




yeah, but it sucks as a phone.


Yea, but how's the built in browser?

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Re: Hey Cory! New Canon 6D has wi-fi!

2012-09-17 Thread P. J. Alling

On 9/17/2012 8:19 PM, Stan Halpin wrote:

On Sep 17, 2012, at 8:15 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:


Darren Addy wrote:


Only 20MP on a full frame size sensor seems rather low resolution.

The Leica M-E has only 18 megapixels. ;-)

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A comment on the new Canon, plucked from DPReview:


-The 6D is proof that Canon doesn't have the RD to keep up with the 
competition. -Canon simply went to its parts bin and threw a bunch of newer and 
older tech together to make this camera.
-They have the gall to give us YET again that ancient AF???
-And then they price it at the same price as the D600, even with lower pixel 
count???
The 6D is nothing but a hastily thrown together desperate attempt by an 
arrogant company that didn't see the D600 coming.

It seems that others also have a love/hate relationship with their toy makers.

stan
I don't hate my toy makers.  I just have reasonable expectations of what 
they're capable of.


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Re: Hey Cory! New Canon 6D has wi-fi!

2012-09-17 Thread P. J. Alling

On 9/17/2012 9:05 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:

Stan Halpin wrote:


A comment on the new Canon, plucked from DPReview:


-The 6D is proof that Canon doesn't have the RD to keep up with the 
competition. -Canon simply went to its parts bin and threw a bunch of newer and 
older tech together to make this camera.
-They have the gall to give us YET again that ancient AF???
-And then they price it at the same price as the D600, even with lower pixel 
count???
The 6D is nothing but a hastily thrown together desperate attempt by an 
arrogant company that didn't see the D600 coming.

It seems that others also have a love/hate relationship with their toy makers.

I've seen (but not read) threads comparing the AF between the K-5 and
K-5II and between the K-5IIs (no AA filter)and a 24 megapixel camera
with an AA filter... even though the camera itself isn't available for
anyone to do the comparison yet. In fact, I've seen far stupider
threads there. Some people are way beyond pixel-peeping, they've
started peeping at pixels that don't even exist yet.

That's why I rarely post there. Too easy to get sucked into the
stupidity vortex.
  

I blame Kennyboy.

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RE: Hey Cory! New Canon 6D has wi-fi!

2012-09-17 Thread John Sessoms

From: Mark Roberts


http://www.dpreview.com/news/2012/09/17/Canon-announces-eos-6d-enthusiast-level-wi-fi-capable-full-frame-dslr

It's full-frame (of course) and has built-in wi-fi connectivity.
Built-in GPS, too.




Built in GPS would be a nice to have feature.

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