In a message dated 8/21/2007 8:55:36 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
It's funny that all the hundrdes of 1000's of Digital Rebel owners don't
seem to be complaining. There must be something about the camera that makes
up for it.
Tom C.
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The viewfinder
On 9/3/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I have no preference between the K100D (which I have now) and the 300D. They
are both good cameras.
Yeah but...but...Pentax has better lenses!
g,dr
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Not quite the same, Cory. For operation of the current DSLRs, the
cycle of activity starts with the mirror down, sensor initialized and
ready to go. For a Live View mode, the shutter has to be closed, the
sensor reset to the capture mode, and then the exposure cycle
started. If in continuous
Well I just came back from a long sunny weekend at the races in Virginia
and the LCD was nearly useless for anything but text. I tried hats,
umbrellas, dug a hole, etc. My friend is in Scotland for the summer and
she uses her LCD all the time. Maybe that British weather is useful for
something
On Aug 23, 2007, at 5:33 AM, Cory Papenfuss wrote:
... Unless there is a physical, mechanical linkage between the mirror,
shutter, and focus motor (unlikely). ...
In Pentax DSLR cameras, the operation of the iris actuation, mirror
and shutter mechanisms are mechanically linked very tightly
I more usually need a shade to see through the optical finder of my
SLR cameras as, with glasses, light leaking around the finder in
sunny circumstances makes it harder to see the image and information
display than an LCD display using my hand as a shade. In extreme
situations, however, a
... Unless there is a physical, mechanical linkage between the mirror,
shutter, and focus motor (unlikely). ...
In Pentax DSLR cameras, the operation of the iris actuation, mirror
and shutter mechanisms are mechanically linked very tightly together.
The iris actuation system can operate as
Maybe I would adapt, but for me most situations are either too fast to
be checking the LCD or slow enough to just pop off a few shots and look.
I usually check the histogram once I get in a new lighting situation or
if I think the meter can't handle it. I have the enlarge button set to
the max so
With the capability of Live View and MF Assist, you have your choice
to use what's appropriate when you want to, that's all. If you've
never used a camera that has the facility, you can't know how it will
be useful to you ... it is a paradigm shift.
Regards battery life:
The Panasonic L1
On Wed, 22 Aug 2007, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
With the capability of Live View and MF Assist, you have your choice
to use what's appropriate when you want to, that's all. If you've
never used a camera that has the facility, you can't know how it will
be useful to you ... it is a paradigm
A lot of the new point 'n shoot digitals don't even have a viewfinder
anymore. The only way you can compose the image is to look at the little
TV screen on the back.
Yes, they're just great with daylight coming from behind you, much the
same reason the K10D screen based menu settings are
On Aug 22, 2007, at 6:43 AM, Cory Papenfuss wrote:
Not to pick nits here, but 1500mAh is not a measure of battery
energy capacity unless the voltage is known. It's similar to
saying My
car gets 35 miles per. If the gallon are understood (e.g. AA NiMH
chemistry), it's a good way of
On Aug 22, 2007, at 8:07 AM, Joseph Tainter wrote:
A lot of the new point 'n shoot digitals don't even have a
viewfinder
anymore. The only way you can compose the image is to look at the
little
TV screen on the back.
Yes, they're just great with daylight coming from behind you, much
On 8/22/07, Joseph Tainter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
A lot of the new point 'n shoot digitals don't even have a viewfinder
anymore. The only way you can compose the image is to look at the little
TV screen on the back.
Yes, they're just great with daylight coming from behind you, much
You excel at picking nits.
It's unimportant, Cory. What's important is that the differential
between shooting with the Live View enabled vs the optical finder
alone is not that enormous. If the minutiae of the battery
specification is that important to you, you could have looked it up
I think that sensor (which has to support video mode) and the mirror
problem (it's in the way) are the main culprits.
OTOH, it's basically a free addition since it doesn't require
anything other than software, so I'm surprised it's taken this long to be
included.
-Cory
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On Aug 22, 2007, at 10:41 AM, Cory Papenfuss wrote:
Yes, I have a tendency to pick nits particularly on pet
peeves. Battery misinformation is one such pet peeve. It was not a
personal attack, simply pointing out that such a piece of
information is
useless for the point trying to be
My apologies if stating that the battery was rated for a capacity of
1500 mAh without specifying that it is also rated at 7.2V is some
enormous breach of information disclosure ethics.
OTOH, it's basically a free addition since it doesn't require
anything other than software, so I'm
On Aug 22, 2007, at 7:53 PM, Cory Papenfuss wrote:
I'm ignorant of these issues. I'd imagine the CCD's are more
difficult to read out this way than CMOS sensors. One doesn't need
anywhere near full resolution to display on the LCD.
I don't know what these distinctions would be in
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Sent: Monday, August 20, 2007 12:29 PM
Subject: New 12MP APS-C CMOS sensor from Sony
It seems that we already know what will Sony use in their upcoming
mid-end Alpha which shoould appear at the begining of september. It
incorporates some very
On 22/08/07, Steve Desjardins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I must be missing something. What is the point of Live View with a
DSLR?
It could be handy if it includes a histogram and responds to exposure
controls. :-)
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On Aug 21, 2007, at 7:01 AM, Steve Desjardins wrote:
I must be missing something. What is the point of Live View with a
DSLR?
1- Exact, precise 100% coverage framing
2- Live histogram display for dynamic exposure adjustment
3- Critical focusing aids if the camera implements image
: 3 LCD with Live View.
Cheers,
Dario
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From: Sylwester Pietrzyk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Monday, August 20, 2007 12:29 PM
Subject: New 12MP APS-C CMOS sensor from Sony
It seems that we already know what will Sony
On Aug 21, 2007, at 9:18, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
My Panasonic L1 has Live View and all the above features. It is a
fantastic aid in various kinds of work, kind of an ideal hybrid. Use
the optical reflex viewfinder for what it's best at, use the LCD
display for what it's best at, and gain a
From:
William Robb
- Original Message - From: Dario Bonazza Subject: Re: New
12MP APS-C CMOS sensor from Sony
And the EOS 40D has been introduced, so that we can figure out the
next trend: 3 LCD with Live View.
Excellent, it should filter down to us sometime around 2014.
William
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Sent: Monday, August 20, 2007 12:29 PM
Subject: New 12MP APS-C CMOS sensor from Sony
It seems that we already know what will Sony use in their upcoming
mid-end Alpha which shoould appear at the begining of september. It
incorporates some very
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Subject: Re: New 12MP APS-C CMOS sensor from Sony
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 11:39:10 -0400
It's a feature.
There's no point really... Wait a minute, have you looked down a
Digital Rebel's viewfinder lately?
Steve Desjardins wrote:
I must be missing something. What is the point of Live View
Too late, the end of the world comes before that...
http://www.greatdreams.com/end-world.htm
John Sessoms wrote:
From:
William Robb
- Original Message - From: Dario Bonazza Subject: Re: New
12MP APS-C CMOS sensor from Sony
And the EOS 40D has been introduced, so that we
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Subject: Re: New 12MP APS-C CMOS sensor from Sony
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 11:39:10 -0400
It's a feature.
There's no point really... Wait a minute, have you looked down a
Digital
On Tue, 21 Aug 2007 12:03:10 -0400, P. J. Alling wrote
They've never seen a good viewfinder on a DSLR? (Customer in
BigBox/Camera Store: Which camera should I buy? Salesdroid: Heres a
Digital Rebel, it's made by Canon, they sell the most cameras
therefor they're the best at everything.
Subject: Re: New 12MP APS-C CMOS sensor from Sony
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 12:03:10 -0400
They've never seen a good viewfinder on a DSLR? (Customer in
BigBox/Camera Store: Which camera should I buy? Salesdroid: Heres a
Digital Rebel, it's made by Canon, they sell the most cameras therefor
they're
on the recording
medium.
Tom C.
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Subject: Re: New 12MP APS-C CMOS sensor from Sony
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 07:18:45 -0700
On Aug 21, 2007, at 7:01 AM, Steve Desjardins wrote:
I
at the
subject.
Tom C.
From: P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: Re: New 12MP APS-C CMOS sensor from Sony
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 12:03:10 -0400
They've never seen a good viewfinder on a DSLR
The primary reason for less than 100% viewfinder coverage with SLR
reflex optical systems is cost of manufacture and the resulting price
to the users. Optical systems built to this standard require larger,
heavier components with more rejects and more accuracy in assembly by
a
/nothing less.
Tom C.
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Subject: Re: New 12MP APS-C CMOS sensor from Sony
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 10:42:56 -0700
The primary reason for less than 100% viewfinder
the
viewfinder is to see the scene one will capture. In a perfect world
it would
be nothing more/nothing less.
Tom C.
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pdml@pdml.net
Subject: Re: New 12MP APS-C CMOS sensor from Sony
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 11:39:10 -0400
It's a feature.
There's no point really... Wait a minute, have you looked down a
Digital Rebel's viewfinder lately?
Steve Desjardins wrote:
I must be missing something. What is the point
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From: Tom C
Subject: Re: New 12MP APS-C CMOS sensor from Sony
IMO, not having 100% coverage in a viewfinder is a far more serious issue
than it being a little dim for one's tastes. Of course we've all gotten
used to it, but I fail to see why, all things
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Behalf Of P. J. Alling
Sent: 21 August 2007 16:47
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Too late, the end of the world comes before that...
http
:07 PM
Subject: Re: New 12MP APS-C CMOS sensor from Sony
On 22/08/07, Steve Desjardins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I must be missing something. What is the point of Live View with a
DSLR?
It could be handy if it includes a histogram and responds to exposure
controls. :-)
--
Rob Studdert
Sylwester Pietrzyk wrote:
It seems that we already know what will Sony use in their upcoming
mid-end Alpha which shoould appear at the begining of september. It
incorporates some very interesting noise cancelling technologies. All
is here:
On 22/08/07, Tom C [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I've heard that said before, but what kind of tolerances are we talking
about? I would think that's it's not as expensive as it may seem, but is
used as a value-added feature to raise the price on the high-end bodies.
Not arguing with you, but it
Har!
Mark Roberts wrote:
Sylwester Pietrzyk wrote:
It seems that we already know what will Sony use in their upcoming
mid-end Alpha which shoould appear at the begining of september. It
incorporates some very interesting noise cancelling technologies. All
is here:
- Original Message -
From: Tom Cakalic
Subject: Re: New 12MP APS-C CMOS sensor from Sony
It's funny that all the hundrdes of 1000's of Digital Rebel owners don't
seem to be complaining. There must be something about the camera that
makes
up for it.
You must not hang out on any
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Subject: Re: New 12MP APS-C CMOS sensor from Sony
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 17:25:00 -0600
- Original Message -
From: Tom Cakalic
Subject: Re: New 12MP APS-C CMOS sensor from Sony
It's funny that all the hundrdes of 1000's of Digital Rebel owners don't
seem to be complaining
From:
P. J. Alling
They've never seen a good viewfinder on a DSLR? (Customer in
BigBox/Camera Store: Which camera should I buy? Salesdroid: Heres a
Digital Rebel, it's made by Canon, they sell the most cameras therefor
they're the best at everything. Customer: Duh, OK) New camera owner
On 22/08/07, John Sessoms [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
A lot of the new point 'n shoot digitals don't even have a viewfinder
anymore. The only way you can compose the image is to look at the little
TV screen on the back.
Yes, they're just great with daylight coming from behind you, much the
same
You've got to get an after market screen shade. Of course they don't
seem to exist for the K10d yet...
http://www.internationalsupplies.com/delkin/popup.htm
Digital Image Studio wrote:
On 22/08/07, John Sessoms [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
A lot of the new point 'n shoot digitals don't even
On 22/08/07, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You've got to get an after market screen shade. Of course they don't
seem to exist for the K10d yet...
Yes, but I didn't seem to need one to set the drive mode or bracketing
options on my *ist D.
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Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
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Times change...
Digital Image Studio wrote:
On 22/08/07, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You've got to get an after market screen shade. Of course they don't
seem to exist for the K10d yet...
Yes, but I didn't seem to need one to set the drive mode or bracketing
options on
It seems that we already know what will Sony use in their upcoming
mid-end Alpha which shoould appear at the begining of september. It
incorporates some very interesting noise cancelling technologies. All
is here:
http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/News/Press/200708/07-072E/index.html
Will it find
On 20/08/07, Sylwester Pietrzyk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It seems that we already know what will Sony use in their upcoming
mid-end Alpha which shoould appear at the begining of september. It
incorporates some very interesting noise cancelling technologies. All
is here:
Interesting to me is the fact that it is a CMOS and not a CCD anymore.
Seems everybody shitfs (or tries to) to CMOS.
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On 20/08/07, Thibouille [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Interesting to me is the fact that it is a CMOS and not a CCD anymore.
Seems everybody shitfs (or tries to) to CMOS.
It's a lot more flexible in implementation, on chip NR, pixel binning,
on chip logic and ADC and it's much easier to produce
Digital Image Studio wrote:
On 20/08/07, Sylwester Pietrzyk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It seems that we already know what will Sony use in their upcoming
mid-end Alpha which shoould appear at the begining of september. It
incorporates some very interesting noise cancelling technologies. All
And the EOS 40D has been introduced, so that we can figure out the next
trend: 3 LCD with Live View.
Cheers,
Dario
- Original Message -
From: Sylwester Pietrzyk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
Sent: Monday, August 20, 2007 12:29 PM
Subject: New 12MP APS-C
- Original Message -
From: Dario Bonazza
Subject: Re: New 12MP APS-C CMOS sensor from Sony
And the EOS 40D has been introduced, so that we can figure out the next
trend: 3 LCD with Live View.
Excellent, it should filter down to us sometime around 2014.
William Robb
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