Re: OT - tale of woe and techy question for you who are especially electronics/web savvy

[ann sanfedele]

On 9/10/2021 12:13 PM, P. J. Alling wrote:
I was about to suggest that, most of the devices that block readers 
accessing your cards when you don't want them accessed are just a 
layer of metal or metal mesh protected by a non abrasive covering.  
Like a little Faraday cage covered in silk.  It should be possible to 
line your purse with something like that, unless the tolerances are 
two tight.


On 9/9/2021 12:08 PM, mike wilson wrote:

Aluminium foil is your friend. 8 -)
 it is just awkward getting extracting the card from the folded foil 
with my fingers but a credit card size piece of rigid aluminum in the 
seperater with the card in it, and another in the next door pocket would 
work.. hmmm .. an excuse to go to Home Depo


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Re: OT - tale of woe and techy question for you who are especially electronics/web savvy

[P. J. Alling]

I was about to suggest that, most of the devices that block readers 
accessing your cards when you don't want them accessed are just a layer 
of metal or metal mesh protected by a non abrasive covering.  Like a 
little Faraday cage covered in silk.  It should be possible to line your 
purse with something like that, unless the tolerances are two tight.


On 9/9/2021 12:08 PM, mike wilson wrote:

On 09 September 2021 at 15:57 ann sanfedele  wrote:


P.s. while I'm thinking about that.. perhaps I should just get a new
wallet+lanyard that has the RFID stuff in it.. they are abundant, but
none I've seen on line so far
are quite as nice as the little Lesportsac one I have now that isn't
RFID.  Well, a justifiable shopping expedition is a plus.

ann

Aluminium foil is your friend. 8 -)


On 9/9/2021 3:45 AM, Bob Pdml wrote:

It might be more fruitful to ask the bank via their website, rather than a 
clerk who doesn’t seem to understand, to set the contactless limit to $0.00.


On 9 Sep 2021, at 02:10, mike wilson  wrote:

Just to clarify; the bank does nothing to the card.  It just alters the 
protocols on your account so that it does not allow contactless payments.


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Re: OT - tale of woe and techy question for you who are especially electronics/web savvy

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> On 09 September 2021 at 17:31 Groovy Bob Pdml  wrote:
> 
> 
> On 9 Sep 2021, at 17:08, mike wilson  wrote:
> 
> 
> On 09 September 2021 at 15:57 ann sanfedele  wrote:
> 
> 
> P.s. while I'm thinking about that.. perhaps I should just get a new
> wallet+lanyard that has the RFID stuff in it.. they are abundant, but
> none I've seen on line so far
> are quite as nice as the little Lesportsac one I have now that isn't
> RFID.  Well, a justifiable shopping expedition is a plus.
> 
> ann
> 
> Aluminium foil is your friend. 8 -)
> 
> Something like this would be more appropriate for ann.
> 
> https://www.metmuseum.org/art/collection/search/145899
> 

Reminds me of the minidresses made from TSR2 circuit boards that you could buy 
from Exchange and Mart in the late 60s.
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Re: OT - tale of woe and techy question for you who are especially electronics/web savvy

[ann sanfedele]

It actually is, in this case..  If you hold a credit card or phone close 
enough to a machine that permits "contactless" payments and your card

is set up to do that - that is, has the chip.

The OMNI reader doesn't know that I accidentally leaned too close to it 
so that my card ,even in my purse, was
close enough to be read.  Of course the MTA (transit authority) is an 
approved collector of funds  The OMNI gadgets are collecting funds for 
the MTA.


ann

On 9/9/2021 4:43 PM, Doug Brewer wrote:
I understand the how. It's the authorization I don't get. Somewhere 
along the line, the company has to ask to take the funds. Proximity 
isn't permission.


On 9/9/21 3:38 PM, ann sanfedele wrote:

Doug -
It is the placement of the machine on the bus that allows for 
contactless payment of bus fare that is the problem.. and it is 
likely to have swiped $2.75 from
more people who wear their cards on a lanyard or have them in a 
pocket or purse that is at the same level as the fare taker on the 
bus. It doesn't affect
people paying full fares that want to use any credit card to pay and 
so swish on purpose..  although there have been cases reported of 
someone being charged twice..
for those of us who have discounted metro cards the contactless 
payment on public transportation is not an option.. we still have to 
dip or swipe our senior or disabled citizen cards .  by 2025, we are 
told, all busses and train stations will be equipped with OMNI 
machines and using them will be the only option.. by then they are 
supposed to have figured out how to recognize that one is supposed to 
get a discount. BTW - the OMNI reads your phone if your phone has the 
correct stuff in it, or your apple watch, etc.


anyway, I"m getting an new little purse

ann


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Re: OT - tale of woe and techy question for you who are especially electronics/web savvy

[Doug Brewer]

I understand the how. It's the authorization I don't get. Somewhere 
along the line, the company has to ask to take the funds. Proximity 
isn't permission.



On 9/9/21 3:38 PM, ann sanfedele wrote:

Doug -
It is the placement of the machine on the bus that allows for 
contactless payment of bus fare that is the problem.. and it is likely 
to have swiped $2.75 from
more people who wear their cards on a lanyard or have them in a pocket 
or purse that is at the same level as the fare taker on the bus. It 
doesn't affect
people paying full fares that want to use any credit card to pay and so 
swish on purpose..  although there have been cases reported of someone 
being charged twice..
for those of us who have discounted metro cards the contactless payment 
on public transportation is not an option.. we still have to dip or 
swipe our senior or disabled citizen cards .  by 2025, we are told, all 
busses and train stations will be equipped with OMNI machines and using 
them will be the only option.. by then they are supposed to have figured 
out how to recognize that one is supposed to get a discount. BTW - the 
OMNI reads your phone if your phone has the correct stuff in it, or your 
apple watch, etc.


anyway, I"m getting an new little purse

ann


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Re: OT - tale of woe and techy question for you who are especially electronics/web savvy

[mike wilson]

> On 09 September 2021 at 15:57 ann sanfedele  wrote:
> 
> 
> P.s. while I'm thinking about that.. perhaps I should just get a new 
> wallet+lanyard that has the RFID stuff in it.. they are abundant, but 
> none I've seen on line so far
> are quite as nice as the little Lesportsac one I have now that isn't 
> RFID.  Well, a justifiable shopping expedition is a plus.
> 
> ann

Aluminium foil is your friend. 8 -)

> 
> On 9/9/2021 3:45 AM, Bob Pdml wrote:
> > It might be more fruitful to ask the bank via their website, rather than a 
> > clerk who doesn’t seem to understand, to set the contactless limit to $0.00.
> >
> >> On 9 Sep 2021, at 02:10, mike wilson  wrote:
> >>
> >> Just to clarify; the bank does nothing to the card.  It just alters the 
> >> protocols on your account so that it does not allow contactless payments.
> >>
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Re: OT - tale of woe and techy question for you who are especially electronics/web savvy

[ann sanfedele]

JOhn - I'm doing that already.. it is just awkward in removing the card 
from the thin pocket

ann

On 9/9/2021 3:30 PM, John wrote:
How about cutting a piece of aluminum foil twice the size of the card 
so that the card would sandwich between the leaves when you fold it in 
half?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1c1klL4IVBA

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Re: OT - tale of woe and techy question for you who are especially electronics/web savvy

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Doug -
It is the placement of the machine on the bus that allows for 
contactless payment of bus fare that is the problem.. and it is likely 
to have swiped $2.75 from
more people who wear their cards on a lanyard or have them in a pocket 
or purse that is at the same level as the fare taker on the bus. It 
doesn't affect
people paying full fares that want to use any credit card to pay and so 
swish on purpose..  although there have been cases reported of someone 
being charged twice..
for those of us who have discounted metro cards the contactless payment 
on public transportation is not an option.. we still have to dip or 
swipe our senior or disabled citizen cards .  by 2025, we are told, all  
busses and train stations will be equipped with OMNI machines and using 
them will be the only option.. by then they are supposed to have figured 
out how to recognize that one is supposed to get a discount. BTW - the 
OMNI reads your phone if your phone has the correct stuff in it, or your 
apple watch, etc.


anyway, I"m getting an new little purse

ann


On 9/9/2021 1:56 PM, Doug Brewer wrote:
Coming to this pretty late, but companies have to have authorization 
to charge your account, otherwise this OMNI reader thing can just suck 
money out of every touchless card that wanders by. I can't imagine 
that's legal.


Perhaps telling your bank/credit card company that OMNI is not 
authorized to charge you would be a better path.






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Re: OT - tale of woe and techy question for you who are especially electronics/web savvy

[John]

I'm pretty sure you can find an RFID sleeve for your card that will both work & 
will fit inside your current lanyard thingy.


You can be like Archie Bunker ... have your cake and Edith too.

On 9/9/2021 14:34:05, ann sanfedele wrote:
I've been using that, actually..  .. but it is annoying to extract the card from 
my little purse.


I talked to more bank people.. TD bank has a policy of a fixed amount of $100 as 
a cap on contactless usage and it can neither be
lowered or raised on an individual basis - but of course will fight any 
unauthorized buys.

  Discover won't remove the feature and has no limit on how much you can spend 
but
assures challenging any purchases for you that you did not make.

as I said -- excuse to shop for a new holder..

ann

On 9/9/2021 12:08 PM, mike wilson wrote:

On 09 September 2021 at 15:57 ann sanfedele  wrote:


P.s. while I'm thinking about that.. perhaps I should just get a new
wallet+lanyard that has the RFID stuff in it.. they are abundant, but
none I've seen on line so far
are quite as nice as the little Lesportsac one I have now that isn't
RFID.  Well, a justifiable shopping expedition is a plus.

ann

Aluminium foil is your friend. 8 -)


On 9/9/2021 3:45 AM, Bob Pdml wrote:
It might be more fruitful to ask the bank via their website, rather than a 
clerk who doesn’t seem to understand, to set the contactless limit to $0.00.



On 9 Sep 2021, at 02:10, mike wilson  wrote:

Just to clarify; the bank does nothing to the card.  It just alters the 
protocols on your account so that it does not allow contactless payments.



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[John]

How about cutting a piece of aluminum foil twice the size of the card so that 
the card would sandwich between the leaves when you fold it in half?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1c1klL4IVBA

Part 2:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MhMkrovtaV0

Maybe if the bank has one of those "paper" sleeves for cards you could glue the 
foil to the outside?


I'd talk to the bank again and see if they will give you a RFID sleeve for your 
card as a courtesy ... giving away the sleeves would cost them less than giving 
away toasters.


I did a quick google search for "sleeve for credit card to prevent contactless 
reading" - got a hit from Amazon, so I searched Amazon for RFID blocking sleeves:


https://www.amazon.com/s?k=rfid+blocking+sleeves=office-products=IORKDXG7RWMQ=RFID%2Coffice-products%2C203=nb_sb_ss_ts-doa-p_1_4 



I also did a search for "LeSportsac lanyard" to get an idea what they were like 
and I pretty sure cards inside RFID sleeves should fit inside.


And then ... because anything worth doing is worth OVER-doing ... Do RFID 
protective sleeves work?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKwJwOm3bfI

Apparently some do, and some are better than others.

On 9/8/2021 18:56:47, ann sanfedele wrote:
I tried .. I went to the bank today to ask if they could remotely turn off the 
switch as Mike had reported he had beena ble to do in England.. but
as you say below, P.J. , disrupting it somehow would also disable the chip and 
strip - the gal at th e bank pointed out to me that the "swish"

feature was imbedded right under the chip .

but MIke's suggestion of having two swishables in my purse next to each other 
would confuse a reader and nothing would get processed... although
I seldom carry more than one card so if somethin untoward occurs only one of my 
credit/debit cards is affected.


I really love my pretty little LeSportsac lanyardlike thingy.. if I can find a 
small enough one that has the protective stuff sewn in and is not

too heavy I'll switch.

ann

On 9/8/2021 5:50 PM, P. J. Alling wrote:
You could do worse than just cash.  Unfortunately anything that I can think of 
that would disable the contactless system on your card would probably also 
disable the chip and swipe strip at the same time.  The banks and government 
really want you to be traceable in all your economic transactions abet for 
somewhat different reasons.


This really annoys me, so I try to tell them to stuff themselves as often as 
possible, and cash is the hardest thing to trace.  It also can't be 
automatically deducted from your wallet as yet.


On 9/7/2021 11:18 AM, ann sanfedele wrote:

I do have a sleeve.. it just makes my mini purse a bit crowded..
At the moment I"m just swinging it around to my back when I get on a bus
and sadly I see that the little symbol is in fact lined up with the swipe 
strip..


may have to go back to carrying just cash

ann

On 9/7/2021 9:55 AM, Bill wrote:
I don't think you can disable near field communicationo have a sleeve 
without taking the

card apart. About the only option is a sleeve that blocks the signal.

Bill


On Tue., Sep. 7, 2021, 7:46 a.m. ann sanfedele,  wrote:


Intro:
we are now issued credit and debit cards with a little "speaker" symbol
on them so that one can be totally contactless when using a card.. just
swish your card on the vicinity of/ over the designated reader and  it
takes your money.  IN NY we have these things called an OMNI reader on
busses and subways.  since I am a senior I have my own card which one
still has to swipe because the Omni machine is reading your regular
credit crds and doesn't know you are old. HOwever  that does not keep
the OMNI machine which is often located right next to the metrocard
slot, from reading a credit card that gets close to it. bottom line..
MY debit card is in a lanyard that hangs on my neck
and at a level that , when I leaned forward to dip my metrocard got too
close to the OMNI reader and releaved me of $2.75 ..

NOw I have to pay especially close attention to my money so I found what
happened and eventually got my money back and was told I should keep my
credit cards in those protective sleeves they make for passport cards.
I also can't get another card without the chip in it that lets you swish
instead of insert a card ...

anyone know how I can disable that feature without disabling my regular
chip or swipe strip?  IT is at the opposite end of the card from the
regular chip and not near the
swipe strip.

Thanks
ann

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[ann sanfedele]

I've been using that, actually..  .. but it is annoying to extract the 
card from my little purse.


I talked to more bank people.. TD bank has a policy of a fixed amount of 
$100 as a cap on contactless usage and it can neither be
lowered or raised on an individual basis - but of course will fight any 
unauthorized buys.
 Discover won't remove the feature and has no limit on how much you can 
spend but

assures challenging any purchases for you that you did not make.

as I said -- excuse to shop for a new holder..

ann

On 9/9/2021 12:08 PM, mike wilson wrote:

On 09 September 2021 at 15:57 ann sanfedele  wrote:


P.s. while I'm thinking about that.. perhaps I should just get a new
wallet+lanyard that has the RFID stuff in it.. they are abundant, but
none I've seen on line so far
are quite as nice as the little Lesportsac one I have now that isn't
RFID.  Well, a justifiable shopping expedition is a plus.

ann

Aluminium foil is your friend. 8 -)


On 9/9/2021 3:45 AM, Bob Pdml wrote:

It might be more fruitful to ask the bank via their website, rather than a 
clerk who doesn’t seem to understand, to set the contactless limit to $0.00.


On 9 Sep 2021, at 02:10, mike wilson  wrote:

Just to clarify; the bank does nothing to the card.  It just alters the 
protocols on your account so that it does not allow contactless payments.


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Re: OT - tale of woe and techy question for you who are especially electronics/web savvy

[Doug Brewer]

Coming to this pretty late, but companies have to have authorization to 
charge your account, otherwise this OMNI reader thing can just suck 
money out of every touchless card that wanders by. I can't imagine 
that's legal.


Perhaps telling your bank/credit card company that OMNI is not 
authorized to charge you would be a better path.




On 9/7/21 9:46 AM, ann sanfedele wrote:

Intro:
we are now issued credit and debit cards with a little "speaker" symbol 
on them so that one can be totally contactless when using a card.. just 
swish your card on the vicinity of/ over the designated reader and  it 
takes your money.  IN NY we have these things called an OMNI reader on 
busses and subways.  since I am a senior I have my own card which one 
still has to swipe because the Omni machine is reading your regular 
credit crds and doesn't know you are old. HOwever  that does not keep 
the OMNI machine which is often located right next to the metrocard 
slot, from reading a credit card that gets close to it.  bottom line.. 
MY debit card is in a lanyard that hangs on my neck
and at a level that , when I leaned forward to dip my metrocard got too 
close to the OMNI reader and releaved me of $2.75 ..


NOw I have to pay especially close attention to my money so I found what 
happened and eventually got my money back and was told I should keep my 
credit cards in those protective sleeves they make for passport cards. I 
also can't get another card without the chip in it that lets you swish 
instead of insert a card ...


anyone know how I can disable that feature without disabling my regular 
chip or swipe strip?  IT is at the opposite end of the card from the 
regular chip and not near the

swipe strip.

Thanks
ann


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On 9 Sep 2021, at 17:08, mike wilson  wrote:


On 09 September 2021 at 15:57 ann sanfedele  wrote:


P.s. while I'm thinking about that.. perhaps I should just get a new
wallet+lanyard that has the RFID stuff in it.. they are abundant, but
none I've seen on line so far
are quite as nice as the little Lesportsac one I have now that isn't
RFID.  Well, a justifiable shopping expedition is a plus.

ann

Aluminium foil is your friend. 8 -)

Something like this would be more appropriate for ann.

https://www.metmuseum.org/art/collection/search/145899


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[ann sanfedele]

P.s. while I'm thinking about that.. perhaps I should just get a new 
wallet+lanyard that has the RFID stuff in it.. they are abundant, but 
none I've seen on line so far
are quite as nice as the little Lesportsac one I have now that isn't 
RFID.  Well, a justifiable shopping expedition is a plus.


ann

On 9/9/2021 3:45 AM, Bob Pdml wrote:

It might be more fruitful to ask the bank via their website, rather than a 
clerk who doesn’t seem to understand, to set the contactless limit to $0.00.


On 9 Sep 2021, at 02:10, mike wilson  wrote:

Just to clarify; the bank does nothing to the card.  It just alters the 
protocols on your account so that it does not allow contactless payments.


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[ann sanfedele]

I don't ever sign into my bank on line.. but the person I talked to was 
not one of the staff that knew me personally -


I can try again when someone I know well is on staff and phrase it 
differently...  also.. it may only have been jammed because they
wanted to send me a special code to my cell phone and I had my cell 
phone company remove texting from my account.. of course,

I still get a text from the phone company after I pay my bill.

Thanks, Bob

ann

On 9/9/2021 3:45 AM, Bob Pdml wrote:

It might be more fruitful to ask the bank via their website, rather than a 
clerk who doesn’t seem to understand, to set the contactless limit to $0.00.


On 9 Sep 2021, at 02:10, mike wilson  wrote:

Just to clarify; the bank does nothing to the card.  It just alters the 
protocols on your account so that it does not allow contactless payments.


On 08 September 2021 at 23:56 ann sanfedele  wrote:


I tried .. I went to the bank today to ask if they could remotely turn
off the switch as Mike had reported he had beena ble to do in England.. but
as you say below, P.J. , disrupting it somehow would also disable the
chip and strip - the gal at th e bank pointed out to me that the "swish"
feature was imbedded right under the chip .

but MIke's suggestion of having two swishables in my purse next to each
other would confuse a reader and nothing would get processed... although
I seldom carry more than one card so if somethin untoward occurs only
one of my credit/debit cards is affected.

I really love my pretty little LeSportsac lanyardlike thingy.. if I can
find a small enough one that has the protective stuff sewn in and is not
too heavy I'll switch.

ann

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[ann sanfedele]

Right - I understand. but my bank didn't - I could try again.. but I 
spent quite a lot of time with a young lady searching for info on how to 
do it and their only solution was that I get an ATM card juts for taking 
out cash. The bank is and I told them about it being possible in England.


I may try again..

On 9/8/2021 9:10 PM, mike wilson wrote:

Just to clarify; the bank does nothing to the card.  It just alters the 
protocols on your account so that it does not allow contactless payments.


On 08 September 2021 at 23:56 ann sanfedele  wrote:


I tried .. I went to the bank today to ask if they could remotely turn
off the switch as Mike had reported he had beena ble to do in England.. but
as you say below, P.J. , disrupting it somehow would also disable the
chip and strip - the gal at th e bank pointed out to me that the "swish"
feature was imbedded right under the chip .

but MIke's suggestion of having two swishables in my purse next to each
other would confuse a reader and nothing would get processed... although
I seldom carry more than one card so if somethin untoward occurs only
one of my credit/debit cards is affected.

I really love my pretty little LeSportsac lanyardlike thingy.. if I can
find a small enough one that has the protective stuff sewn in and is not
too heavy I'll switch.

ann

On 9/8/2021 5:50 PM, P. J. Alling wrote:

You could do worse than just cash.  Unfortunately anything that I can
think of that would disable the contactless system on your card would
probably also disable the chip and swipe strip at the same time.  The
banks and government really want you to be traceable in all your
economic transactions abet for somewhat different reasons.

This really annoys me, so I try to tell them to stuff themselves as
often as possible, and cash is the hardest thing to trace.  It also
can't be automatically deducted from your wallet as yet.

On 9/7/2021 11:18 AM, ann sanfedele wrote:

I do have a sleeve.. it just makes my mini purse a bit crowded..
At the moment I"m just swinging it around to my back when I get on a bus
and sadly I see that the little symbol is in fact lined up with the
swipe strip..

may have to go back to carrying just cash

ann

On 9/7/2021 9:55 AM, Bill wrote:

I don't think you can disable near field communicationo have a
sleeve without taking the
card apart. About the only option is a sleeve that blocks the signal.

Bill


On Tue., Sep. 7, 2021, 7:46 a.m. ann sanfedele, 
wrote:


Intro:
we are now issued credit and debit cards with a little "speaker"
symbol
on them so that one can be totally contactless when using a card..
just
swish your card on the vicinity of/ over the designated reader and  it
takes your money.  IN NY we have these things called an OMNI reader on
busses and subways.  since I am a senior I have my own card which one
still has to swipe because the Omni machine is reading your regular
credit crds and doesn't know you are old. HOwever  that does not keep
the OMNI machine which is often located right next to the metrocard
slot, from reading a credit card that gets close to it. bottom line..
MY debit card is in a lanyard that hangs on my neck
and at a level that , when I leaned forward to dip my metrocard got
too
close to the OMNI reader and releaved me of $2.75 ..

NOw I have to pay especially close attention to my money so I found
what
happened and eventually got my money back and was told I should
keep my
credit cards in those protective sleeves they make for passport cards.
I also can't get another card without the chip in it that lets you
swish
instead of insert a card ...

anyone know how I can disable that feature without disabling my
regular
chip or swipe strip?  IT is at the opposite end of the card from the
regular chip and not near the
swipe strip.

Thanks
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Re: OT - tale of woe and techy question for you who are especially electronics/web savvy

[Bob Pdml]

It might be more fruitful to ask the bank via their website, rather than a 
clerk who doesn’t seem to understand, to set the contactless limit to $0.00.

> On 9 Sep 2021, at 02:10, mike wilson  wrote:
> 
> Just to clarify; the bank does nothing to the card.  It just alters the 
> protocols on your account so that it does not allow contactless payments.
> 
>> On 08 September 2021 at 23:56 ann sanfedele  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> I tried .. I went to the bank today to ask if they could remotely turn 
>> off the switch as Mike had reported he had beena ble to do in England.. but
>> as you say below, P.J. , disrupting it somehow would also disable the 
>> chip and strip - the gal at th e bank pointed out to me that the "swish"
>> feature was imbedded right under the chip .
>> 
>> but MIke's suggestion of having two swishables in my purse next to each 
>> other would confuse a reader and nothing would get processed... although
>> I seldom carry more than one card so if somethin untoward occurs only 
>> one of my credit/debit cards is affected.
>> 
>> I really love my pretty little LeSportsac lanyardlike thingy.. if I can 
>> find a small enough one that has the protective stuff sewn in and is not
>> too heavy I'll switch.
>> 
>> ann
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Re: OT - tale of woe and techy question for you who are especially electronics/web savvy

[mike wilson]

Just to clarify; the bank does nothing to the card.  It just alters the 
protocols on your account so that it does not allow contactless payments.

> On 08 September 2021 at 23:56 ann sanfedele  wrote:
> 
> 
> I tried .. I went to the bank today to ask if they could remotely turn 
> off the switch as Mike had reported he had beena ble to do in England.. but
> as you say below, P.J. , disrupting it somehow would also disable the 
> chip and strip - the gal at th e bank pointed out to me that the "swish"
> feature was imbedded right under the chip .
> 
> but MIke's suggestion of having two swishables in my purse next to each 
> other would confuse a reader and nothing would get processed... although
> I seldom carry more than one card so if somethin untoward occurs only 
> one of my credit/debit cards is affected.
> 
> I really love my pretty little LeSportsac lanyardlike thingy.. if I can 
> find a small enough one that has the protective stuff sewn in and is not
> too heavy I'll switch.
> 
> ann
> 
> On 9/8/2021 5:50 PM, P. J. Alling wrote:
> > You could do worse than just cash.  Unfortunately anything that I can 
> > think of that would disable the contactless system on your card would 
> > probably also disable the chip and swipe strip at the same time.  The 
> > banks and government really want you to be traceable in all your 
> > economic transactions abet for somewhat different reasons.
> >
> > This really annoys me, so I try to tell them to stuff themselves as 
> > often as possible, and cash is the hardest thing to trace.  It also 
> > can't be automatically deducted from your wallet as yet.
> >
> > On 9/7/2021 11:18 AM, ann sanfedele wrote:
> >> I do have a sleeve.. it just makes my mini purse a bit crowded..
> >> At the moment I"m just swinging it around to my back when I get on a bus
> >> and sadly I see that the little symbol is in fact lined up with the 
> >> swipe strip..
> >>
> >> may have to go back to carrying just cash
> >>
> >> ann
> >>
> >> On 9/7/2021 9:55 AM, Bill wrote:
> >>> I don't think you can disable near field communicationo have a 
> >>> sleeve without taking the
> >>> card apart. About the only option is a sleeve that blocks the signal.
> >>>
> >>> Bill
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Tue., Sep. 7, 2021, 7:46 a.m. ann sanfedele,  
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
>  Intro:
>  we are now issued credit and debit cards with a little "speaker" 
>  symbol
>  on them so that one can be totally contactless when using a card.. 
>  just
>  swish your card on the vicinity of/ over the designated reader and  it
>  takes your money.  IN NY we have these things called an OMNI reader on
>  busses and subways.  since I am a senior I have my own card which one
>  still has to swipe because the Omni machine is reading your regular
>  credit crds and doesn't know you are old. HOwever  that does not keep
>  the OMNI machine which is often located right next to the metrocard
>  slot, from reading a credit card that gets close to it. bottom line..
>  MY debit card is in a lanyard that hangs on my neck
>  and at a level that , when I leaned forward to dip my metrocard got 
>  too
>  close to the OMNI reader and releaved me of $2.75 ..
> 
>  NOw I have to pay especially close attention to my money so I found 
>  what
>  happened and eventually got my money back and was told I should 
>  keep my
>  credit cards in those protective sleeves they make for passport cards.
>  I also can't get another card without the chip in it that lets you 
>  swish
>  instead of insert a card ...
> 
>  anyone know how I can disable that feature without disabling my 
>  regular
>  chip or swipe strip?  IT is at the opposite end of the card from the
>  regular chip and not near the
>  swipe strip.
> 
>  Thanks
>  ann
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Re: OT - tale of woe and techy question for you who are especially electronics/web savvy

[ann sanfedele]

I tried .. I went to the bank today to ask if they could remotely turn 
off the switch as Mike had reported he had beena ble to do in England.. but
as you say below, P.J. , disrupting it somehow would also disable the 
chip and strip - the gal at th e bank pointed out to me that the "swish"

feature was imbedded right under the chip .

but MIke's suggestion of having two swishables in my purse next to each 
other would confuse a reader and nothing would get processed... although
I seldom carry more than one card so if somethin untoward occurs only 
one of my credit/debit cards is affected.


I really love my pretty little LeSportsac lanyardlike thingy.. if I can 
find a small enough one that has the protective stuff sewn in and is not

too heavy I'll switch.

ann

On 9/8/2021 5:50 PM, P. J. Alling wrote:
You could do worse than just cash.  Unfortunately anything that I can 
think of that would disable the contactless system on your card would 
probably also disable the chip and swipe strip at the same time.  The 
banks and government really want you to be traceable in all your 
economic transactions abet for somewhat different reasons.


This really annoys me, so I try to tell them to stuff themselves as 
often as possible, and cash is the hardest thing to trace.  It also 
can't be automatically deducted from your wallet as yet.


On 9/7/2021 11:18 AM, ann sanfedele wrote:

I do have a sleeve.. it just makes my mini purse a bit crowded..
At the moment I"m just swinging it around to my back when I get on a bus
and sadly I see that the little symbol is in fact lined up with the 
swipe strip..


may have to go back to carrying just cash

ann

On 9/7/2021 9:55 AM, Bill wrote:
I don't think you can disable near field communicationo have a 
sleeve without taking the

card apart. About the only option is a sleeve that blocks the signal.

Bill


On Tue., Sep. 7, 2021, 7:46 a.m. ann sanfedele,  
wrote:



Intro:
we are now issued credit and debit cards with a little "speaker" 
symbol
on them so that one can be totally contactless when using a card.. 
just

swish your card on the vicinity of/ over the designated reader and  it
takes your money.  IN NY we have these things called an OMNI reader on
busses and subways.  since I am a senior I have my own card which one
still has to swipe because the Omni machine is reading your regular
credit crds and doesn't know you are old. HOwever  that does not keep
the OMNI machine which is often located right next to the metrocard
slot, from reading a credit card that gets close to it. bottom line..
MY debit card is in a lanyard that hangs on my neck
and at a level that , when I leaned forward to dip my metrocard got 
too

close to the OMNI reader and releaved me of $2.75 ..

NOw I have to pay especially close attention to my money so I found 
what
happened and eventually got my money back and was told I should 
keep my

credit cards in those protective sleeves they make for passport cards.
I also can't get another card without the chip in it that lets you 
swish

instead of insert a card ...

anyone know how I can disable that feature without disabling my 
regular

chip or swipe strip?  IT is at the opposite end of the card from the
regular chip and not near the
swipe strip.

Thanks
ann

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[P. J. Alling]

You could do worse than just cash.  Unfortunately anything that I can 
think of that would disable the contactless system on your card would 
probably also disable the chip and swipe strip at the same time.  The 
banks and government really want you to be traceable in all your 
economic transactions abet for somewhat different reasons.


This really annoys me, so I try to tell them to stuff themselves as 
often as possible, and cash is the hardest thing to trace.  It also 
can't be automatically deducted from your wallet as yet.


On 9/7/2021 11:18 AM, ann sanfedele wrote:

I do have a sleeve.. it just makes my mini purse a bit crowded..
At the moment I"m just swinging it around to my back when I get on a bus
and sadly I see that the little symbol is in fact lined up with the 
swipe strip..


may have to go back to carrying just cash

ann

On 9/7/2021 9:55 AM, Bill wrote:
I don't think you can disable near field communicationo have a sleeve 
without taking the

card apart. About the only option is a sleeve that blocks the signal.

Bill


On Tue., Sep. 7, 2021, 7:46 a.m. ann sanfedele,  
wrote:



Intro:
we are now issued credit and debit cards with a little "speaker" symbol
on them so that one can be totally contactless when using a card.. just
swish your card on the vicinity of/ over the designated reader and  it
takes your money.  IN NY we have these things called an OMNI reader on
busses and subways.  since I am a senior I have my own card which one
still has to swipe because the Omni machine is reading your regular
credit crds and doesn't know you are old. HOwever  that does not keep
the OMNI machine which is often located right next to the metrocard
slot, from reading a credit card that gets close to it. bottom line..
MY debit card is in a lanyard that hangs on my neck
and at a level that , when I leaned forward to dip my metrocard got too
close to the OMNI reader and releaved me of $2.75 ..

NOw I have to pay especially close attention to my money so I found 
what

happened and eventually got my money back and was told I should keep my
credit cards in those protective sleeves they make for passport cards.
I also can't get another card without the chip in it that lets you 
swish

instead of insert a card ...

anyone know how I can disable that feature without disabling my regular
chip or swipe strip?  IT is at the opposite end of the card from the
regular chip and not near the
swipe strip.

Thanks
ann

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Re: OT - tale of woe and techy question for you who are especially electronics/web savvy

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

I don't know whether US banks/credit card providers offer a service to turn off 
contactless. And I doubt that many issuers are going to offer contactless cards 
since everyone wants contactless payment now … less chance of spreading 
diseases that way … and it always costs money to keep separate products 
avialable as choices. 

Quite a few places I go to are not even taking cash nowadays, for the same 
reason. 

Simplest thing to do is to keep your OMNI card separate from your credit/debit 
cards, and keep the credit/debit cards in an RFID-blocking sleeve, IMO. My 
little Bellroy wallet has the RFID-blocking material built into it; I use my 
phone to do most of my purchase transactions anyway nowadays.

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[mike wilson]

> On 07 September 2021 at 17:54 ann sanfedele  wrote:
> 
> 
> Mike - You mean they can turn it off remotely?  I asked if they would 
> replace and they said no.

I am sure they can do it here.  I had the feature turned off for years before 
lockdown made it a logical route to go along.  A card would turn up with 
contactless enabled, I would go to the bank and have it turned off.  To be 
clear, they remove the facility fron your account.  All cards are contactless.  
For some reason (probably to do with most people using the feature,,,) the 
default on a new card is enabled.
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[mike wilson]

> On 07 September 2021 at 14:46 ann sanfedele  wrote:
> 
> 
> Intro:
> we are now issued credit and debit cards with a little "speaker" symbol 
> on them so that one can be totally contactless when using a card.. just 
> swish your card on the vicinity of/ over the designated reader and  it 
> takes your money.  IN NY we have these things called an OMNI reader on 
> busses and subways.  since I am a senior I have my own card which one 
> still has to swipe because the Omni machine is reading your regular 
> credit crds and doesn't know you are old. HOwever  that does not keep 
> the OMNI machine which is often located right next to the metrocard 
> slot, from reading a credit card that gets close to it.  bottom line.. 
> MY debit card is in a lanyard that hangs on my neck
> and at a level that , when I leaned forward to dip my metrocard got too 
> close to the OMNI reader and releaved me of $2.75 ..
> 
> NOw I have to pay especially close attention to my money so I found what 
> happened and eventually got my money back and was told I should keep my 
> credit cards in those protective sleeves they make for passport cards.  
> I also can't get another card without the chip in it that lets you swish 
> instead of insert a card ...
> 
> anyone know how I can disable that feature without disabling my regular 
> chip or swipe strip?  IT is at the opposite end of the card from the 
> regular chip and not near the
> swipe strip.

Contactless can be turned off by the banks on individual dards here.
Two thoughts:
1 get a sightly larger purse.
2 keep two contactless cards in your lanyard pouch.  The machine will not 
choose and will flag up an error.
A further thought; lanyards are usually designed as breakaways these days.  If 
you have a contactless card on one of those, an enterprising person could swipe 
it and do some serious damage to your bank balance before you can get it 
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[ann sanfedele]

I'm going to ask my bank to remove the feature if they can...
I dont have an OMNI card - that is the point...  THe omni machine on the 
busses and on subways read any card you have that is contactless..
IF the Omni card reader were farther away from the slot we put metro 
cards in, I would not have lost my $2.75..
There have been stories of those using contactless procedures and been 
charged twice... those with lots more funds than I have would probably 
never know..


ann

On 9/7/2021 1:21 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

I don't know whether US banks/credit card providers offer a service to turn off 
contactless. And I doubt that many issuers are going to offer contactless cards 
since everyone wants contactless payment now … less chance of spreading 
diseases that way … and it always costs money to keep separate products 
avialable as choices.

Quite a few places I go to are not even taking cash nowadays, for the same 
reason.

Simplest thing to do is to keep your OMNI card separate from your credit/debit 
cards, and keep the credit/debit cards in an RFID-blocking sleeve, IMO. My 
little Bellroy wallet has the RFID-blocking material built into it; I use my 
phone to do most of my purchase transactions anyway nowadays.

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[Bob Pdml]

People who pay by phone on the tube during rush hour in London are a monstrous 
pain in the ass as it takes longer for the device to do its thing than it takes 
for Oyster or contactless, which are instant. This means that the rhythm of 
people going through the barriers is disturbed, and minor queues build up with 
jockeying for position into other lines, which causes further disruption, and 
so ad infinitum.

> On 7 Sep 2021, at 17:34, Daniel J. Matyola  wrote:
> 
> Use Apple Wallet
> 
> Dan Matyola
> *https://tinyurl.com/DJM-Pentax-Gallery
> *
> 
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[ann sanfedele]

That is definitely good news!
Thanks
ann

On 9/7/2021 1:15 PM, mike wilson wrote:

On 07 September 2021 at 17:54 ann sanfedele  wrote:


Mike - You mean they can turn it off remotely?  I asked if they would
replace and they said no.

I am sure they can do it here.  I had the feature turned off for years before 
lockdown made it a logical route to go along.  A card would turn up with 
contactless enabled, I would go to the bank and have it turned off.  To be 
clear, they remove the facility fron your account.  All cards are contactless.  
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[ann sanfedele]

Mike - You mean they can turn it off remotely?  I asked if they would 
replace and they said no.


My "lanyard" is not really a lanyard.  it is a tiny purse just barely 
larger than a credit card in dimensions... a zippered pouch with a 
window to show my ID.., a separater beind it that can barely hold two 
cards anda  couple of bills.. my vax card is in the puch with my id...

and an outside open pocket that I keep my metro card in ..

I like the idea of two contactless cards though, as in addition to my 
debit card I have two credit cards, both of which have the little symbol 
on it that says contactless.


My  purse worn as a necklace has the purse part just below my boobs it 
is on a ribbon.. the Omni machine read my card through fabric and two 
layers of cardboard.


I generally don't carry more than one  credit/debit card at a time..

definitely not getting bigger purse.. I have a shopping bag that holds  
8 oz water bottle, hand sanitizer, sunglasses, extra mask and a couple 
of cought drops and asperin..


Most I can carry coming home with groceries is about 5 lbs.. once I week 
I get deliveries.


ann the weak


On 9/7/2021 12:34 PM, mike wilson wrote:

On 07 September 2021 at 14:46 ann sanfedele  wrote:

(snip snip my intro...)
anyone know how I can disable that feature without disabling my regular
chip or swipe strip?  IT is at the opposite end of the card from the
regular chip and not near the
swipe strip.

Contactless can be turned off by the banks on individual dards here.
Two thoughts:
1 get a sightly larger purse.
2 keep two contactless cards in your lanyard pouch.  The machine will not 
choose and will flag up an error.
A further thought; lanyards are usually designed as breakaways these days.  If 
you have a contactless card on one of those, an enterprising person could swipe 
it and do some serious damage to your bank balance before you can get it 
stopped.
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Re: OT - tale of woe and techy question for you who are especially electronics/web savvy

[ann sanfedele]

you make leeetle joke

On 9/7/2021 12:34 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

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On Tue, Sep 7, 2021 at 9:46 AM ann sanfedele  wrote:


Intro:
we are now issued credit and debit cards with a little "speaker" symbol
on them so that one can be totally contactless when using a card.. just
swish your card on the vicinity of/ over the designated reader and  it
takes your money.  IN NY we have these things called an OMNI reader on
busses and subways.  since I am a senior I have my own card which one
still has to swipe because the Omni machine is reading your regular
credit crds and doesn't know you are old. HOwever  that does not keep
the OMNI machine which is often located right next to the metrocard
slot, from reading a credit card that gets close to it.  bottom line..
MY debit card is in a lanyard that hangs on my neck
and at a level that , when I leaned forward to dip my metrocard got too
close to the OMNI reader and releaved me of $2.75 ..

NOw I have to pay especially close attention to my money so I found what
happened and eventually got my money back and was told I should keep my
credit cards in those protective sleeves they make for passport cards.
I also can't get another card without the chip in it that lets you swish
instead of insert a card ...

anyone know how I can disable that feature without disabling my regular
chip or swipe strip?  IT is at the opposite end of the card from the
regular chip and not near the
swipe strip.

Thanks
ann

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On Tue, Sep 7, 2021 at 9:46 AM ann sanfedele  wrote:

> Intro:
> we are now issued credit and debit cards with a little "speaker" symbol
> on them so that one can be totally contactless when using a card.. just
> swish your card on the vicinity of/ over the designated reader and  it
> takes your money.  IN NY we have these things called an OMNI reader on
> busses and subways.  since I am a senior I have my own card which one
> still has to swipe because the Omni machine is reading your regular
> credit crds and doesn't know you are old. HOwever  that does not keep
> the OMNI machine which is often located right next to the metrocard
> slot, from reading a credit card that gets close to it.  bottom line..
> MY debit card is in a lanyard that hangs on my neck
> and at a level that , when I leaned forward to dip my metrocard got too
> close to the OMNI reader and releaved me of $2.75 ..
>
> NOw I have to pay especially close attention to my money so I found what
> happened and eventually got my money back and was told I should keep my
> credit cards in those protective sleeves they make for passport cards.
> I also can't get another card without the chip in it that lets you swish
> instead of insert a card ...
>
> anyone know how I can disable that feature without disabling my regular
> chip or swipe strip?  IT is at the opposite end of the card from the
> regular chip and not near the
> swipe strip.
>
> Thanks
> ann
>
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Re: OT - tale of woe and techy question for you who are especially electronics/web savvy

[ann sanfedele]

I do have a sleeve.. it just makes my mini purse a bit crowded..
At the moment I"m just swinging it around to my back when I get on a bus
and sadly I see that the little symbol is in fact lined up with the 
swipe strip..


may have to go back to carrying just cash

ann

On 9/7/2021 9:55 AM, Bill wrote:

I don't think you can disable near field communicationo have a sleeve without 
taking the
card apart. About the only option is a sleeve that blocks the signal.

Bill


On Tue., Sep. 7, 2021, 7:46 a.m. ann sanfedele,  wrote:


Intro:
we are now issued credit and debit cards with a little "speaker" symbol
on them so that one can be totally contactless when using a card.. just
swish your card on the vicinity of/ over the designated reader and  it
takes your money.  IN NY we have these things called an OMNI reader on
busses and subways.  since I am a senior I have my own card which one
still has to swipe because the Omni machine is reading your regular
credit crds and doesn't know you are old. HOwever  that does not keep
the OMNI machine which is often located right next to the metrocard
slot, from reading a credit card that gets close to it.  bottom line..
MY debit card is in a lanyard that hangs on my neck
and at a level that , when I leaned forward to dip my metrocard got too
close to the OMNI reader and releaved me of $2.75 ..

NOw I have to pay especially close attention to my money so I found what
happened and eventually got my money back and was told I should keep my
credit cards in those protective sleeves they make for passport cards.
I also can't get another card without the chip in it that lets you swish
instead of insert a card ...

anyone know how I can disable that feature without disabling my regular
chip or swipe strip?  IT is at the opposite end of the card from the
regular chip and not near the
swipe strip.

Thanks
ann

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Re: OT - tale of woe and techy question for you who are especially electronics/web savvy

[Bill]

I don't think you can disable near field communication without taking the
card apart. About the only option is a sleeve that blocks the signal.

Bill


On Tue., Sep. 7, 2021, 7:46 a.m. ann sanfedele,  wrote:

> Intro:
> we are now issued credit and debit cards with a little "speaker" symbol
> on them so that one can be totally contactless when using a card.. just
> swish your card on the vicinity of/ over the designated reader and  it
> takes your money.  IN NY we have these things called an OMNI reader on
> busses and subways.  since I am a senior I have my own card which one
> still has to swipe because the Omni machine is reading your regular
> credit crds and doesn't know you are old. HOwever  that does not keep
> the OMNI machine which is often located right next to the metrocard
> slot, from reading a credit card that gets close to it.  bottom line..
> MY debit card is in a lanyard that hangs on my neck
> and at a level that , when I leaned forward to dip my metrocard got too
> close to the OMNI reader and releaved me of $2.75 ..
>
> NOw I have to pay especially close attention to my money so I found what
> happened and eventually got my money back and was told I should keep my
> credit cards in those protective sleeves they make for passport cards.
> I also can't get another card without the chip in it that lets you swish
> instead of insert a card ...
>
> anyone know how I can disable that feature without disabling my regular
> chip or swipe strip?  IT is at the opposite end of the card from the
> regular chip and not near the
> swipe strip.
>
> Thanks
> ann
>
> --
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> https://annsan.smugmug.com
> https://www.cafepress.com/+ann-sanfedele+gifts
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OT - tale of woe and techy question for you who are especially electronics/web savvy

[ann sanfedele]

Intro:
we are now issued credit and debit cards with a little "speaker" symbol 
on them so that one can be totally contactless when using a card.. just 
swish your card on the vicinity of/ over the designated reader and  it 
takes your money.  IN NY we have these things called an OMNI reader on 
busses and subways.  since I am a senior I have my own card which one 
still has to swipe because the Omni machine is reading your regular 
credit crds and doesn't know you are old. HOwever  that does not keep 
the OMNI machine which is often located right next to the metrocard 
slot, from reading a credit card that gets close to it.  bottom line.. 
MY debit card is in a lanyard that hangs on my neck
and at a level that , when I leaned forward to dip my metrocard got too 
close to the OMNI reader and releaved me of $2.75 ..


NOw I have to pay especially close attention to my money so I found what 
happened and eventually got my money back and was told I should keep my 
credit cards in those protective sleeves they make for passport cards.  
I also can't get another card without the chip in it that lets you swish 
instead of insert a card ...


anyone know how I can disable that feature without disabling my regular 
chip or swipe strip?  IT is at the opposite end of the card from the 
regular chip and not near the

swipe strip.

Thanks
ann

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