Re: PESO feeding time
Fascinating. Well done! Paul > On Jun 2, 2019, at 4:08 PM, Larry Colen wrote: > > In the department of "they grow up so fast", I took this a few minutes ago, > from my living room: > https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/47987959918/in/album-72157708849514267/ > > I'd be surprised if they're still in the nest on Wednesday. > > Larry Colen wrote on 5/30/19 11:46 PM: >> I set up a light that really helps with the photos of the Steller's jay >> nest. Shortly thereafter the second parent (my guess is Dadbird) showed up >> to feed everyone. Here's a shot with both parents, and several chicks >> visible >> https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/47970534238/in/album-72157708849514267/ >> I'm uploading the full set now. It seems as if the new flickr >> infrastructure isn't quite back up to full speed. If anyone's interested in >> the full set, which also has some shots of one of the parents in my yard: >> https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/albums/72157708849514267 > > > -- > Larry Colen l...@red4est.com http://red4est.com/lrc > https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/collections/72157612824732477/ > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Ouch, you're right, Larry. My apologies! What I had in mind was something like "careful" or "prudent". Jostein Den 02.06.2019 18:56, skrev l...@red4est.com: On June 2, 2019 7:03:26 AM PDT, "Jostein Øksne" wrote: We seem to be in violent agreement, Dan. I just adviced Larry to be candid about presenting his photos, that's all. What definition of candid are you using? I am being open and honest about them. Another funny comparison between countries could be perspectives on photographing nudity, but we've opened that can of worms enough times already, haven't we. :-) Jostein Den 02.06.2019 14:35, skrev Daniel J. Matyola: Jostein, the way Larry has set things up does not seem to be bothering the birds or interfering with their natural behavior. As he points out, they keep returning to that spot year after year. I had some sparrows build a nest under one of the eaves of our house, on top of a floodlight. Unfortunately, the position made it impossible to look into the nest, or even attempt a photograph, without getting up on a ladder right next to it, which I would never consider doing. BTW, at almost all of the eagle cams, the naturalists go in to tag the nestlings, before they are able to fly away. It is interesting to learn that some of our local chick from here in New Jersey found their way up to New England. Raptor protection groups claim to gather important information about the birds from studying both the nests and the later travels of the birds. My reference to whales goes back to when I visited you in Oslo, many years ago. Among many other things, we discussed the Nordic and America views on Wale conservation. You pointed out the importance of the wales in the Scandinavia cultures, and I remarked that even in the US we recognize the native cultural needs of the Northwest Alaskan peoples, who are for the most part exempt from the bans on hunting and eating wales. On our first trip to Hawai'i, back in the 1980s, my son was enthusiastically looking forward to riding jet skis in the pacific. Short visits to the Sierra Club and the Pacific Wale Foundation put a quick end to that, and converted him to an avid conservationist. Maui has a lot of coast watchers, who sit on the lanais (balconies) of their condos peering through binoculars hour after hour, and reporting any boats who approach the wales too closely. The wales their are most sensitive, as there are many newborn calves. There is nothing near Maui for the wales to eat, so they fast from the time they leave the Alaskan waters, 3,000 miles away, until they return months later. Like many mainland tourists, all they do during their Hawai'ian vacation is breed, give birth, and teach the young to swim. Yes, the "Russian spy" beluga received extensive coverage in the US. Belugas are among the most frequently mistreated of marine animals, because their size, intelligence and friendliness makes them easy to exploit. The recent NatGeo article on animal tourism covers that (and other travesties). Sea World and similar operations are quite controversial today. Under great public pressure, Sea World ended its Orca breeding program, and has promised to phase out the "Shamu" type circuses. We will see. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Sun, Jun 2, 2019 at 7:26 AM Jostein Øksne wrote: Nest cameras are a different kettle of fish, Dan. They are automated and can be set up before the birds settle in. Especially with the large birds of prey which conveniently return to the same nest year after year. It is the photographer's presence by the nest that cause the disturbance more than the picture-taking itself. It seems that the same rules of engagement, if one can call it that, is recommended by some concerned parties in the USA too. Have a look: https://nestwatch.org/connect/news/nest-photography-guidelines/ Interesting comparison to whales. Bit of a paradox with Sea World, isn't it? Btw, did you read about the "tame" beluga whale with a harness that showed up on Norwegian shores this winter? It was clearly seeking contact and being very accustomed to taking food from human hands. Rumor has it that Russians have a programme to train belugas for underwater recon and scooping up mines, among other things. https://www.dw.com/en/mystery-whale-found-near-norway-fuels-russian-navy-speculation/a-48536688 There's some added photography relevance there in that Audun Rikardsen, the professor quoted in the article is himself a champion of the BBC Nature Photo Contest a few years ago. Jostein -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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In the department of "they grow up so fast", I took this a few minutes ago, from my living room: https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/47987959918/in/album-72157708849514267/ I'd be surprised if they're still in the nest on Wednesday. Larry Colen wrote on 5/30/19 11:46 PM: I set up a light that really helps with the photos of the Steller's jay nest. Shortly thereafter the second parent (my guess is Dadbird) showed up to feed everyone. Here's a shot with both parents, and several chicks visible https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/47970534238/in/album-72157708849514267/ I'm uploading the full set now. It seems as if the new flickr infrastructure isn't quite back up to full speed. If anyone's interested in the full set, which also has some shots of one of the parents in my yard: https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/albums/72157708849514267 -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com http://red4est.com/lrc https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/collections/72157612824732477/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On June 2, 2019 7:03:26 AM PDT, "Jostein Øksne" wrote: >We seem to be in violent agreement, Dan. I just adviced Larry to be >candid about presenting his photos, that's all. What definition of candid are you using? I am being open and honest about them. > >Another funny comparison between countries could be perspectives on >photographing nudity, but we've opened that can of worms enough times >already, haven't we. :-) > >Jostein > >Den 02.06.2019 14:35, skrev Daniel J. Matyola: >> Jostein, the way Larry has set things up does not seem to be >bothering the >> birds or interfering with their natural behavior. >> As he points out, they keep returning to that spot year after year. >> >> I had some sparrows build a nest under one of the eaves of our house, >on >> top of a floodlight. Unfortunately, the position made it impossible >to >> look into the nest, or even attempt a photograph, without getting up >on a >> ladder right next to it, which I would never consider doing. >> >> BTW, at almost all of the eagle cams, the naturalists go in to tag >the >> nestlings, before they are able to fly away. It is interesting to >learn >> that some of our local chick from here in New Jersey found their way >up to >> New England. Raptor protection groups claim to gather important >> information about the birds from studying both the nests and the >later >> travels of the birds. >> >> My reference to whales goes back to when I visited you in Oslo, many >years >> ago. Among many other things, we discussed the Nordic and America >views on >> Wale conservation. You pointed out the importance of the wales in >the >> Scandinavia cultures, and I remarked that even in the US we recognize >the >> native cultural needs of the Northwest Alaskan peoples, who are for >the >> most part exempt from the bans on hunting and eating wales. >> >> On our first trip to Hawai'i, back in the 1980s, my son was >> enthusiastically looking forward to riding jet skis in the pacific. >Short >> visits to the Sierra Club and the Pacific Wale Foundation put a quick >end >> to that, and converted him to an avid conservationist. Maui has a >lot of >> coast watchers, who sit on the lanais (balconies) of their condos >peering >> through binoculars hour after hour, and reporting any boats who >approach >> the wales too closely. The wales their are most sensitive, as there >are >> many newborn calves. There is nothing near Maui for the wales to >eat, so >> they fast from the time they leave the Alaskan waters, 3,000 miles >away, >> until they return months later. Like many mainland tourists, all >they do >> during their Hawai'ian vacation is breed, give birth, and teach the >young >> to swim. >> >> Yes, the "Russian spy" beluga received extensive coverage in the US. >> Belugas are among the most frequently mistreated of marine animals, >because >> their size, intelligence and friendliness makes them easy to exploit. > The >> recent NatGeo article on animal tourism covers that (and other >travesties). >> >> Sea World and similar operations are quite controversial today. >Under >> great public pressure, Sea World ended its Orca breeding program, and >has >> promised to phase out the "Shamu" type circuses. We will see. >> >> Dan Matyola >> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola >> >> >> On Sun, Jun 2, 2019 at 7:26 AM Jostein Øksne >wrote: >> >>> Nest cameras are a different kettle of fish, Dan. They are automated >and >>> can be set up before the birds settle in. Especially with the large >>> birds of prey which conveniently return to the same nest year after >>> year. It is the photographer's presence by the nest that cause the >>> disturbance more than the picture-taking itself. >>> >>> It seems that the same rules of engagement, if one can call it that, >is >>> recommended by some concerned parties in the USA too. Have a look: >>> https://nestwatch.org/connect/news/nest-photography-guidelines/ >>> >>> Interesting comparison to whales. Bit of a paradox with Sea World, >isn't >>> it? >>> >>> Btw, did you read about the "tame" beluga whale with a harness that >>> showed up on Norwegian shores this winter? It was clearly seeking >>> contact and being very accustomed to taking food from human hands. >Rumor >>> has it that Russians have a programme to train belugas for >underwater >>> recon and scooping up mines, among other things. >>> >>> >>> >https://www.dw.com/en/mystery-whale-found-near-norway-fuels-russian-navy-speculation/a-48536688 >>> >>> There's some added photography relevance there in that Audun >Rikardsen, >>> the professor quoted in the article is himself a champion of the BBC >>> Nature Photo Contest a few years ago. >>> >>> Jostein >>> >>> -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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We seem to be in violent agreement, Dan. I just adviced Larry to be candid about presenting his photos, that's all. Another funny comparison between countries could be perspectives on photographing nudity, but we've opened that can of worms enough times already, haven't we. :-) Jostein Den 02.06.2019 14:35, skrev Daniel J. Matyola: Jostein, the way Larry has set things up does not seem to be bothering the birds or interfering with their natural behavior. As he points out, they keep returning to that spot year after year. I had some sparrows build a nest under one of the eaves of our house, on top of a floodlight. Unfortunately, the position made it impossible to look into the nest, or even attempt a photograph, without getting up on a ladder right next to it, which I would never consider doing. BTW, at almost all of the eagle cams, the naturalists go in to tag the nestlings, before they are able to fly away. It is interesting to learn that some of our local chick from here in New Jersey found their way up to New England. Raptor protection groups claim to gather important information about the birds from studying both the nests and the later travels of the birds. My reference to whales goes back to when I visited you in Oslo, many years ago. Among many other things, we discussed the Nordic and America views on Wale conservation. You pointed out the importance of the wales in the Scandinavia cultures, and I remarked that even in the US we recognize the native cultural needs of the Northwest Alaskan peoples, who are for the most part exempt from the bans on hunting and eating wales. On our first trip to Hawai'i, back in the 1980s, my son was enthusiastically looking forward to riding jet skis in the pacific. Short visits to the Sierra Club and the Pacific Wale Foundation put a quick end to that, and converted him to an avid conservationist. Maui has a lot of coast watchers, who sit on the lanais (balconies) of their condos peering through binoculars hour after hour, and reporting any boats who approach the wales too closely. The wales their are most sensitive, as there are many newborn calves. There is nothing near Maui for the wales to eat, so they fast from the time they leave the Alaskan waters, 3,000 miles away, until they return months later. Like many mainland tourists, all they do during their Hawai'ian vacation is breed, give birth, and teach the young to swim. Yes, the "Russian spy" beluga received extensive coverage in the US. Belugas are among the most frequently mistreated of marine animals, because their size, intelligence and friendliness makes them easy to exploit. The recent NatGeo article on animal tourism covers that (and other travesties). Sea World and similar operations are quite controversial today. Under great public pressure, Sea World ended its Orca breeding program, and has promised to phase out the "Shamu" type circuses. We will see. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Sun, Jun 2, 2019 at 7:26 AM Jostein Øksne wrote: Nest cameras are a different kettle of fish, Dan. They are automated and can be set up before the birds settle in. Especially with the large birds of prey which conveniently return to the same nest year after year. It is the photographer's presence by the nest that cause the disturbance more than the picture-taking itself. It seems that the same rules of engagement, if one can call it that, is recommended by some concerned parties in the USA too. Have a look: https://nestwatch.org/connect/news/nest-photography-guidelines/ Interesting comparison to whales. Bit of a paradox with Sea World, isn't it? Btw, did you read about the "tame" beluga whale with a harness that showed up on Norwegian shores this winter? It was clearly seeking contact and being very accustomed to taking food from human hands. Rumor has it that Russians have a programme to train belugas for underwater recon and scooping up mines, among other things. https://www.dw.com/en/mystery-whale-found-near-norway-fuels-russian-navy-speculation/a-48536688 There's some added photography relevance there in that Audun Rikardsen, the professor quoted in the article is himself a champion of the BBC Nature Photo Contest a few years ago. Jostein -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Jostein, the way Larry has set things up does not seem to be bothering the birds or interfering with their natural behavior. As he points out, they keep returning to that spot year after year. I had some sparrows build a nest under one of the eaves of our house, on top of a floodlight. Unfortunately, the position made it impossible to look into the nest, or even attempt a photograph, without getting up on a ladder right next to it, which I would never consider doing. BTW, at almost all of the eagle cams, the naturalists go in to tag the nestlings, before they are able to fly away. It is interesting to learn that some of our local chick from here in New Jersey found their way up to New England. Raptor protection groups claim to gather important information about the birds from studying both the nests and the later travels of the birds. My reference to whales goes back to when I visited you in Oslo, many years ago. Among many other things, we discussed the Nordic and America views on Wale conservation. You pointed out the importance of the wales in the Scandinavia cultures, and I remarked that even in the US we recognize the native cultural needs of the Northwest Alaskan peoples, who are for the most part exempt from the bans on hunting and eating wales. On our first trip to Hawai'i, back in the 1980s, my son was enthusiastically looking forward to riding jet skis in the pacific. Short visits to the Sierra Club and the Pacific Wale Foundation put a quick end to that, and converted him to an avid conservationist. Maui has a lot of coast watchers, who sit on the lanais (balconies) of their condos peering through binoculars hour after hour, and reporting any boats who approach the wales too closely. The wales their are most sensitive, as there are many newborn calves. There is nothing near Maui for the wales to eat, so they fast from the time they leave the Alaskan waters, 3,000 miles away, until they return months later. Like many mainland tourists, all they do during their Hawai'ian vacation is breed, give birth, and teach the young to swim. Yes, the "Russian spy" beluga received extensive coverage in the US. Belugas are among the most frequently mistreated of marine animals, because their size, intelligence and friendliness makes them easy to exploit. The recent NatGeo article on animal tourism covers that (and other travesties). Sea World and similar operations are quite controversial today. Under great public pressure, Sea World ended its Orca breeding program, and has promised to phase out the "Shamu" type circuses. We will see. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Sun, Jun 2, 2019 at 7:26 AM Jostein Øksne wrote: > Nest cameras are a different kettle of fish, Dan. They are automated and > can be set up before the birds settle in. Especially with the large > birds of prey which conveniently return to the same nest year after > year. It is the photographer's presence by the nest that cause the > disturbance more than the picture-taking itself. > > It seems that the same rules of engagement, if one can call it that, is > recommended by some concerned parties in the USA too. Have a look: > https://nestwatch.org/connect/news/nest-photography-guidelines/ > > Interesting comparison to whales. Bit of a paradox with Sea World, isn't > it? > > Btw, did you read about the "tame" beluga whale with a harness that > showed up on Norwegian shores this winter? It was clearly seeking > contact and being very accustomed to taking food from human hands. Rumor > has it that Russians have a programme to train belugas for underwater > recon and scooping up mines, among other things. > > > https://www.dw.com/en/mystery-whale-found-near-norway-fuels-russian-navy-speculation/a-48536688 > > There's some added photography relevance there in that Audun Rikardsen, > the professor quoted in the article is himself a champion of the BBC > Nature Photo Contest a few years ago. > > Jostein > > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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That link seems to lead to an empty page, Larry. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Fri, May 31, 2019 at 11:58 AM Larry Colen wrote: > > They've been showing up every year for about four years now, so what I'm > doing doesn't really seem to be bothering them. > > > > https://www.flickr.com/search/?text=steller_id=99496143%40N00_search=1_all=1 > > > > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Fri, May 31, 2019 at 11:58 AM Larry Colen wrote: > > > Jostein Øksne wrote on 5/31/19 2:07 AM: > > Looks like a fun project, Larry. > > They've been showing up every year for about four years now, so what I'm > doing doesn't really seem to be bothering them. > > > > https://www.flickr.com/search/?text=steller_id=99496143%40N00_search=1_all=1 > > > > Nest photography is an amazing way to learn about bird behaviour. Be > > candid about how you present the photos in various settings though. I > > guess you know that nest photography is a controversial issue. From a > > quick web search it seems less so in the US than here, but in this > > globalised day and age... :-) > > I've never heard anything about it in general. I guess it's considered > rude to pester them in their nest. These were photographed from my > living room. If jays were any more common around here, they'd be > pigeons, particularly obnoxiously loud pigeons. > > > > In the Nordic countries it is generally discouraged. In Finland, it's > > illegal without a license for a particular project, punishable by fines > > based on publised photos. In Norway and Sweden, it's more about mob > > justice. There is a very large overlap between nature photographers and > > birdwatchers in general, so birds are in particular focus for ethical > > issues (which currently extends to a massive opposition to wind > > turbines, btw). > > > > Jostein > > > > Den 31.05.2019 08:46, skrev Larry Colen: > >> I set up a light that really helps with the photos of the Steller's > >> jay nest. Shortly thereafter the second parent (my guess is Dadbird) > >> showed up to feed everyone. Here's a shot with both parents, and > >> several chicks visible > >> > https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/47970534238/in/album-72157708849514267/ > >> > >> > >> I'm uploading the full set now. It seems as if the new flickr > >> infrastructure isn't quite back up to full speed. If anyone's > >> interested in the full set, which also has some shots of one of the > >> parents in my yard: > >> https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/albums/72157708849514267 > >> > > > > > -- > Larry Colen l...@red4est.com http://red4est.com/lrc > https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/collections/72157612824732477/ > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Nest cameras are a different kettle of fish, Dan. They are automated and can be set up before the birds settle in. Especially with the large birds of prey which conveniently return to the same nest year after year. It is the photographer's presence by the nest that cause the disturbance more than the picture-taking itself. It seems that the same rules of engagement, if one can call it that, is recommended by some concerned parties in the USA too. Have a look: https://nestwatch.org/connect/news/nest-photography-guidelines/ Interesting comparison to whales. Bit of a paradox with Sea World, isn't it? Btw, did you read about the "tame" beluga whale with a harness that showed up on Norwegian shores this winter? It was clearly seeking contact and being very accustomed to taking food from human hands. Rumor has it that Russians have a programme to train belugas for underwater recon and scooping up mines, among other things. https://www.dw.com/en/mystery-whale-found-near-norway-fuels-russian-navy-speculation/a-48536688 There's some added photography relevance there in that Audun Rikardsen, the professor quoted in the article is himself a champion of the BBC Nature Photo Contest a few years ago. Jostein Den 31.05.2019 15:18, skrev Daniel J. Matyola: Interesting comments, Jostein. In the US there are many nest cameras, especially those of the nests of eagles and other raptors. I have never seen the kind of negative reaction of which you speak, nor have I head of any laws such as you describe. It sounds like the Scandinavians feel about their birds the way Americans feel about whales. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Fri, May 31, 2019 at 5:08 AM Jostein Øksne wrote: Looks like a fun project, Larry. Nest photography is an amazing way to learn about bird behaviour. Be candid about how you present the photos in various settings though. I guess you know that nest photography is a controversial issue. From a quick web search it seems less so in the US than here, but in this globalised day and age... :-) In the Nordic countries it is generally discouraged. In Finland, it's illegal without a license for a particular project, punishable by fines based on publised photos. In Norway and Sweden, it's more about mob justice. There is a very large overlap between nature photographers and birdwatchers in general, so birds are in particular focus for ethical issues (which currently extends to a massive opposition to wind turbines, btw). Jostein Den 31.05.2019 08:46, skrev Larry Colen: I set up a light that really helps with the photos of the Steller's jay nest. Shortly thereafter the second parent (my guess is Dadbird) showed up to feed everyone. Here's a shot with both parents, and several chicks visible https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/47970534238/in/album-72157708849514267/ I'm uploading the full set now. It seems as if the new flickr infrastructure isn't quite back up to full speed. If anyone's interested in the full set, which also has some shots of one of the parents in my yard: https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/albums/72157708849514267 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Jostein Øksne wrote on 5/31/19 2:07 AM: Looks like a fun project, Larry. They've been showing up every year for about four years now, so what I'm doing doesn't really seem to be bothering them. https://www.flickr.com/search/?text=steller_id=99496143%40N00_search=1_all=1 Nest photography is an amazing way to learn about bird behaviour. Be candid about how you present the photos in various settings though. I guess you know that nest photography is a controversial issue. From a quick web search it seems less so in the US than here, but in this globalised day and age... :-) I've never heard anything about it in general. I guess it's considered rude to pester them in their nest. These were photographed from my living room. If jays were any more common around here, they'd be pigeons, particularly obnoxiously loud pigeons. In the Nordic countries it is generally discouraged. In Finland, it's illegal without a license for a particular project, punishable by fines based on publised photos. In Norway and Sweden, it's more about mob justice. There is a very large overlap between nature photographers and birdwatchers in general, so birds are in particular focus for ethical issues (which currently extends to a massive opposition to wind turbines, btw). Jostein Den 31.05.2019 08:46, skrev Larry Colen: I set up a light that really helps with the photos of the Steller's jay nest. Shortly thereafter the second parent (my guess is Dadbird) showed up to feed everyone. Here's a shot with both parents, and several chicks visible https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/47970534238/in/album-72157708849514267/ I'm uploading the full set now. It seems as if the new flickr infrastructure isn't quite back up to full speed. If anyone's interested in the full set, which also has some shots of one of the parents in my yard: https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/albums/72157708849514267 -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com http://red4est.com/lrc https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/collections/72157612824732477/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Interesting comments, Jostein. In the US there are many nest cameras, especially those of the nests of eagles and other raptors. I have never seen the kind of negative reaction of which you speak, nor have I head of any laws such as you describe. It sounds like the Scandinavians feel about their birds the way Americans feel about whales. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Fri, May 31, 2019 at 5:08 AM Jostein Øksne wrote: > Looks like a fun project, Larry. > > Nest photography is an amazing way to learn about bird behaviour. Be > candid about how you present the photos in various settings though. I > guess you know that nest photography is a controversial issue. From a > quick web search it seems less so in the US than here, but in this > globalised day and age... :-) > > In the Nordic countries it is generally discouraged. In Finland, it's > illegal without a license for a particular project, punishable by fines > based on publised photos. In Norway and Sweden, it's more about mob > justice. There is a very large overlap between nature photographers and > birdwatchers in general, so birds are in particular focus for ethical > issues (which currently extends to a massive opposition to wind > turbines, btw). > > Jostein > > Den 31.05.2019 08:46, skrev Larry Colen: > > I set up a light that really helps with the photos of the Steller's > > jay nest. Shortly thereafter the second parent (my guess is Dadbird) > > showed up to feed everyone. Here's a shot with both parents, and > > several chicks visible > > > https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/47970534238/in/album-72157708849514267/ > > > > > > I'm uploading the full set now. It seems as if the new flickr > > infrastructure isn't quite back up to full speed. If anyone's > > interested in the full set, which also has some shots of one of the > > parents in my yard: > > https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/albums/72157708849514267 > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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That is a very interesting project, and the results are fascinating and very well captured. Fine work indeed. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Fri, May 31, 2019 at 2:47 AM Larry Colen wrote: > I set up a light that really helps with the photos of the Steller's jay > nest. Shortly thereafter the second parent (my guess is Dadbird) showed > up to feed everyone. Here's a shot with both parents, and several > chicks visible > > https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/47970534238/in/album-72157708849514267/ > > I'm uploading the full set now. It seems as if the new flickr > infrastructure isn't quite back up to full speed. If anyone's interested > in the full set, which also has some shots of one of the parents in my > yard: > https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/albums/72157708849514267 > > -- > Larry Colen l...@red4est.com http://red4est.com/lrc > https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/collections/72157612824732477/ > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Looks like a fun project, Larry. Nest photography is an amazing way to learn about bird behaviour. Be candid about how you present the photos in various settings though. I guess you know that nest photography is a controversial issue. From a quick web search it seems less so in the US than here, but in this globalised day and age... :-) In the Nordic countries it is generally discouraged. In Finland, it's illegal without a license for a particular project, punishable by fines based on publised photos. In Norway and Sweden, it's more about mob justice. There is a very large overlap between nature photographers and birdwatchers in general, so birds are in particular focus for ethical issues (which currently extends to a massive opposition to wind turbines, btw). Jostein Den 31.05.2019 08:46, skrev Larry Colen: I set up a light that really helps with the photos of the Steller's jay nest. Shortly thereafter the second parent (my guess is Dadbird) showed up to feed everyone. Here's a shot with both parents, and several chicks visible https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/47970534238/in/album-72157708849514267/ I'm uploading the full set now. It seems as if the new flickr infrastructure isn't quite back up to full speed. If anyone's interested in the full set, which also has some shots of one of the parents in my yard: https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/albums/72157708849514267 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
PESO feeding time
I set up a light that really helps with the photos of the Steller's jay nest. Shortly thereafter the second parent (my guess is Dadbird) showed up to feed everyone. Here's a shot with both parents, and several chicks visible https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/47970534238/in/album-72157708849514267/ I'm uploading the full set now. It seems as if the new flickr infrastructure isn't quite back up to full speed. If anyone's interested in the full set, which also has some shots of one of the parents in my yard: https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/albums/72157708849514267 -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com http://red4est.com/lrc https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/collections/72157612824732477/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: PESO - Feeding Time for Grebelings
This was in Col. Sam Smith Park right next to the Lake Shore Yacht Club. Wish I'd have seen the young ones piggy-backing dad. They're too big for that now. I saw them try to climb up but parent was having none of it. I think the reason this year was so successful for breeding is that they attached huge pink and white floating balls to the floating nests. I guess the scared predators away. Certainly scared photographers away. They were so ug-lee! But the results speak for themselves. Thanks for the comments, Gerrit, Bruce, Dan and everyone else who commented and looked. I'm glad I got to capture it, even if not the most technically proficient photo. Cheers, frank --- Original Message --- From: Gerrit Visser gerrit...@gmail.com Sent: July 7, 2013 7/7/13 To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' pdml@pdml.net Subject: RE: PESO - Feeding Time for Grebelings That is lovely, almost moving! And a calm day for once. I think we had a picnic in the same basin on June 20. Only saw 2 little ones at the time. One was on dad's back but fell off when dad climbed onto the nest. gerrit -Original Message- From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of knarftheria...@gmail.com Sent: Sunday, July 7, 2013 6:19 PM To: PDML@pdml.net Subject: PESO - Feeding Time for Grebelings I don't know if that's really what baby grebes are called; I guess I should look it up. So the excitement is that for the first time that anyone remembers the local red necked grebe eggs have hatched and no less than five baby grebes have been spotted around the lakeside park near my apartment! I was thrilled to spot this parent feeding a little one: http://knarfdummyblog.blogspot.ca/2013/07/feeding-time-for-grebelings.html?m =1 It was a one shot deal. The next dive the parent came up quite far away and the little one drifted over, out of my range. I did continue shooting but they were too small and blurry. I watched with fascination for half an hour while mom or dad (don't know which) performed dive after dive, coming up with a small fish each time for baby. Then they retired to their nest. So this isn't the sharpest shot ever, but it was the only one I got. As a document it's okay, but not a great nature photo, to very sure. Still, I hope you enjoy it. Comments welcome. Cheers, frank For me, the camera is a sketch book, an instrument of intuition and spontaneity. -- Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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That is a lovely area for picnics and nature watching. What amazed me is that the cormorants left them alone! We used to live at Palace Place, another great area, near the recent fog photo that you took. I have a working photo blog now so I will try to post process some of the same birds in the next few days. Gerrit -Original Message- From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of knarftheria...@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2013 8:54 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: RE: PESO - Feeding Time for Grebelings This was in Col. Sam Smith Park right next to the Lake Shore Yacht Club. Wish I'd have seen the young ones piggy-backing dad. They're too big for that now. I saw them try to climb up but parent was having none of it. I think the reason this year was so successful for breeding is that they attached huge pink and white floating balls to the floating nests. I guess the scared predators away. Certainly scared photographers away. They were so ug-lee! But the results speak for themselves. Thanks for the comments, Gerrit, Bruce, Dan and everyone else who commented and looked. I'm glad I got to capture it, even if not the most technically proficient photo. Cheers, frank --- Original Message --- From: Gerrit Visser gerrit...@gmail.com Sent: July 7, 2013 7/7/13 To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' pdml@pdml.net Subject: RE: PESO - Feeding Time for Grebelings That is lovely, almost moving! And a calm day for once. I think we had a picnic in the same basin on June 20. Only saw 2 little ones at the time. One was on dad's back but fell off when dad climbed onto the nest. gerrit -Original Message- From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of knarftheria...@gmail.com Sent: Sunday, July 7, 2013 6:19 PM To: PDML@pdml.net Subject: PESO - Feeding Time for Grebelings I don't know if that's really what baby grebes are called; I guess I should look it up. So the excitement is that for the first time that anyone remembers the local red necked grebe eggs have hatched and no less than five baby grebes have been spotted around the lakeside park near my apartment! I was thrilled to spot this parent feeding a little one: http://knarfdummyblog.blogspot.ca/2013/07/feeding-time-for-grebelings.html?m =1 It was a one shot deal. The next dive the parent came up quite far away and the little one drifted over, out of my range. I did continue shooting but they were too small and blurry. I watched with fascination for half an hour while mom or dad (don't know which) performed dive after dive, coming up with a small fish each time for baby. Then they retired to their nest. So this isn't the sharpest shot ever, but it was the only one I got. As a document it's okay, but not a great nature photo, to very sure. Still, I hope you enjoy it. Comments welcome. Cheers, frank For me, the camera is a sketch book, an instrument of intuition and spontaneity. -- Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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aw - Love that you got the decisive moment on this one - and the reflections are nice too. How nice even to witness it. ann -Original Message- From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of knarftheria...@gmail.com Sent: Sunday, July 7, 2013 6:19 PM To: PDML@pdml.net Subject: PESO - Feeding Time for Grebelings I don't know if that's really what baby grebes are called; I guess I should look it up. So the excitement is that for the first time that anyone remembers the local red necked grebe eggs have hatched and no less than five baby grebes have been spotted around the lakeside park near my apartment! I was thrilled to spot this parent feeding a little one: http://knarfdummyblog.blogspot.ca/2013/07/feeding-time-for-grebelings.html?m =1 It was a one shot deal. The next dive the parent came up quite far away and the little one drifted over, out of my range. I did continue shooting but they were too small and blurry. I watched with fascination for half an hour while mom or dad (don't know which) performed dive after dive, coming up with a small fish each time for baby. Then they retired to their nest. So this isn't the sharpest shot ever, but it was the only one I got. As a document it's okay, but not a great nature photo, to very sure. Still, I hope you enjoy it. Comments welcome. Cheers, frank For me, the camera is a sketch book, an instrument of intuition and spontaneity. -- Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Feeding Time for Grebelings
Quoting knarftheria...@gmail.com: I don't know if that's really what baby grebes are called; I guess I should look it up. So the excitement is that for the first time that anyone remembers the local red necked grebe eggs have hatched and no less than five baby grebes have been spotted around the lakeside park near my apartment! I was thrilled to spot this parent feeding a little one: http://knarfdummyblog.blogspot.ca/2013/07/feeding-time-for-grebelings.html?m=1 It was a one shot deal. The next dive the parent came up quite far away and the little one drifted over, out of my range. I did continue shooting but they were too small and blurry. I watched with fascination for half an hour while mom or dad (don't know which) performed dive after dive, coming up with a small fish each time for baby. Then they retired to their nest. So this isn't the sharpest shot ever, but it was the only one I got. As a document it's okay, but not a great nature photo, to very sure. Still, I hope you enjoy it. Comments welcome. I think you're being overly hard on yourself. That's a fine shot with lots of interesting components apart from the birds. And if 'grebelings' isn't the correct name for young grebes, it should be. :-) -- Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
PESO - Feeding Time for Grebelings
I don't know if that's really what baby grebes are called; I guess I should look it up. So the excitement is that for the first time that anyone remembers the local red necked grebe eggs have hatched and no less than five baby grebes have been spotted around the lakeside park near my apartment! I was thrilled to spot this parent feeding a little one: http://knarfdummyblog.blogspot.ca/2013/07/feeding-time-for-grebelings.html?m=1 It was a one shot deal. The next dive the parent came up quite far away and the little one drifted over, out of my range. I did continue shooting but they were too small and blurry. I watched with fascination for half an hour while mom or dad (don't know which) performed dive after dive, coming up with a small fish each time for baby. Then they retired to their nest. So this isn't the sharpest shot ever, but it was the only one I got. As a document it's okay, but not a great nature photo, to very sure. Still, I hope you enjoy it. Comments welcome. Cheers, frank For me, the camera is a sketch book, an instrument of intuition and spontaneity. -- Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: PESO - Feeding Time for Grebelings
That is lovely, almost moving! And a calm day for once. I think we had a picnic in the same basin on June 20. Only saw 2 little ones at the time. One was on dad's back but fell off when dad climbed onto the nest. gerrit -Original Message- From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of knarftheria...@gmail.com Sent: Sunday, July 7, 2013 6:19 PM To: PDML@pdml.net Subject: PESO - Feeding Time for Grebelings I don't know if that's really what baby grebes are called; I guess I should look it up. So the excitement is that for the first time that anyone remembers the local red necked grebe eggs have hatched and no less than five baby grebes have been spotted around the lakeside park near my apartment! I was thrilled to spot this parent feeding a little one: http://knarfdummyblog.blogspot.ca/2013/07/feeding-time-for-grebelings.html?m =1 It was a one shot deal. The next dive the parent came up quite far away and the little one drifted over, out of my range. I did continue shooting but they were too small and blurry. I watched with fascination for half an hour while mom or dad (don't know which) performed dive after dive, coming up with a small fish each time for baby. Then they retired to their nest. So this isn't the sharpest shot ever, but it was the only one I got. As a document it's okay, but not a great nature photo, to very sure. Still, I hope you enjoy it. Comments welcome. Cheers, frank For me, the camera is a sketch book, an instrument of intuition and spontaneity. -- Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Nonsense, it's a really fine shot, Frank. Sharp enough and I just love the rippled reflections. It's a wonderful moment and excellent documentation of a rare event. On Sun, Jul 7, 2013 at 6:19 PM, knarftheria...@gmail.com knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: I don't know if that's really what baby grebes are called; I guess I should look it up. So the excitement is that for the first time that anyone remembers the local red necked grebe eggs have hatched and no less than five baby grebes have been spotted around the lakeside park near my apartment! I was thrilled to spot this parent feeding a little one: http://knarfdummyblog.blogspot.ca/2013/07/feeding-time-for-grebelings.html?m=1 It was a one shot deal. The next dive the parent came up quite far away and the little one drifted over, out of my range. I did continue shooting but they were too small and blurry. I watched with fascination for half an hour while mom or dad (don't know which) performed dive after dive, coming up with a small fish each time for baby. Then they retired to their nest. So this isn't the sharpest shot ever, but it was the only one I got. As a document it's okay, but not a great nature photo, to very sure. Still, I hope you enjoy it. Comments welcome. Cheers, frank For me, the camera is a sketch book, an instrument of intuition and spontaneity. -- Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Feeding Time for Grebelings
What a great catch, Frank. It is a render family scene, wonderfully composed, and the patterns and reflections make it even more special. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Sun, Jul 7, 2013 at 6:19 PM, knarftheria...@gmail.com knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: I don't know if that's really what baby grebes are called; I guess I should look it up. So the excitement is that for the first time that anyone remembers the local red necked grebe eggs have hatched and no less than five baby grebes have been spotted around the lakeside park near my apartment! I was thrilled to spot this parent feeding a little one: http://knarfdummyblog.blogspot.ca/2013/07/feeding-time-for-grebelings.html?m=1 It was a one shot deal. The next dive the parent came up quite far away and the little one drifted over, out of my range. I did continue shooting but they were too small and blurry. I watched with fascination for half an hour while mom or dad (don't know which) performed dive after dive, coming up with a small fish each time for baby. Then they retired to their nest. So this isn't the sharpest shot ever, but it was the only one I got. As a document it's okay, but not a great nature photo, to very sure. Still, I hope you enjoy it. Comments welcome. Cheers, frank For me, the camera is a sketch book, an instrument of intuition and spontaneity. -- Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
