On Nov 22, 2005, at 12:28 PM, William Robb wrote:
The trick is to not move.
And to have exposure and focus set.
It's quite doable, though it's not something I would expect to have
much success with if I was using a normal lens or longer.
I do this quite often with the 90mm and 45mm lenses.
On Nov 22, 2005, at 3:20 PM, frank theriault wrote:
I'm happy to answer further questions along these lines, and also to
sing the praises of the truly spectacular 75mm f2.8 and generally
enable those who need enablement, just CC your questions/responses to
me since I'm not subscribed to the
On 21/11/05, Shel Belinkoff, discombobulated, unleashed:
There's no precision in what you're showing us
Cotty, and you're using a lens with a great DOF and wide angle of
acceptance.
Funny, I worked out a method of shooting in this way that took what I
considered a certain amount of precision.
More from Brother Aaron (in response to Shel):
-- Forwarded message --
From: Aaron Reynolds [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Nov 21, 2005 11:20 PM
Subject: Re: Possibility of Medium Format enablement
To: frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Oh, now you've sucked me in. I looked at the site
I have since learned the 67 lends itself to this sort of technique. At
some point the discussion about MedFormat in general became specific to the
use of the 67, as it's the only MedFormat choice out there (coincidentally,
it wasn't on the list of choices the original poster asked about). I
Every medium format SLR I've owned (Mamiya RB67, 1000S; Bronica SQ;
Hasselblad 500C/M) had mirror lock up. It is an essential feature on
medium format SLRs. On the Hassy, it's a little lever that falls
right under your thumb when you're holding the camera with a waist
level finder, with
There are a few that don't, notably the non-MLU version of the Kiev88.
-Adam
Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
Every medium format SLR I've owned (Mamiya RB67, 1000S; Bronica SQ;
Hasselblad 500C/M) had mirror lock up. It is an essential feature on
medium format SLRs. On the Hassy, it's a little lever
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Tom Reese) wrote:
Shel asked:
How would you use MLU without a tripod?
It's actually pretty easy with the MZ-S.
Heck, I've done it with the MZ-S... the same way Frank shot a whole roll
at 1/2000 with his LX ;-)
--
Mark Roberts
Photography and writing
www.robertstech.com
I've shot the Super Program at several scenes with the self timer still
engaged. Unlike its ME Super predecessor, it doesn't un-set it's self.
Jack
--- Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Tom Reese) wrote:
Shel asked:
How would you use MLU without a tripod?
It's
On 11/22/05, Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Heck, I've done it with the MZ-S... the same way Frank shot a whole roll
at 1/2000 with his LX ;-)
Excuse me, it was 1/2 a roll.
Okay, 20 frames.
But not a ~whole~ roll...
-frank
LOL
--
Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri
frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 11/22/05, Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Heck, I've done it with the MZ-S... the same way Frank shot a whole roll
at 1/2000 with his LX ;-)
Excuse me, it was 1/2 a roll.
Okay, 20 frames.
But not a ~whole~ roll...
I actually got one of my
On 11/22/05, Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I've shot the Super Program at several scenes with the self timer still
engaged. Unlike its ME Super predecessor, it doesn't un-set it's self.
It beeps at you to let you know your mistake. :-)
Luckily, if you quickly flip the little self-timer
Mark, I'm buttin' in cause I commented about forgetting to un-set the
shutter delay.
I agree with you. The composition is doubtless better.
Jack
--- Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 11/22/05, Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Heck,
Mat, if it beeps, (and if so, it makes sense) it is drowned out by the
ringing in my ears.
Jack
--- Mat Maessen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 11/22/05, Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I've shot the Super Program at several scenes with the self timer
still
engaged. Unlike its ME Super
Boris Liberman wrote:
Hi!
This one's a 75mm Xenar.
O.M.G. ~ it just occurred to me, I'm just watching it!
Maybe I'd better commit! ;-)
Okay, I did it...
Talk to y'all tomorrow!
Keith, for a splittest briefest moment I thought you were going to let
me have it...
*sigh*
Boris
I
I promise, Boris, you can have the NEXT one. I have this one!
(See my comments to Godfrey...)
I doubt it I will be after RolleiFlex... Fuji rangefinders are very
attractive proposition. I need to do two things:
1. Get to meet one such camera in person.
2. Somehow get to know how reliable they
Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
On Nov 20, 2005, at 4:35 PM, keith_w wrote:
I just located a _superb_ f/3.5 Rollei TLR, a 3.5E, and I hope it's
still available the next time I check.
I found that the f/2.8s are NOT available for much less than the
national debt! I'd have to sell 3 or 4 cameras
I can only agree with Mishka:
P645 has very good mirror dampening. I don't have a single unsharp frame
so far, because of slow shutter speed. Only because of missed focus or
DOF...
It holds VERY good.
Meter is accurate, so shoot with slides and expect correct exposures.
And it is built solid,
How would you use MLU without a tripod?
Shel
You meet the nicest people with a Pentax
Boris wrote:
I think I can live with Pentax 645 and 75/2.8 lens...
But I think I'd want a MLU so that I won't have to
haul a tripod with me *all the time*
if I go shooting MF...
On 11/21/05, Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
How would you use MLU without a tripod?
Aaron Reynolds claimed to be able to do it - did it all the time (so he said).
But he was the Senior Brother of the Brotherhood... LOL
Aaron? Can you respond? g
-frank
--
Sharpness is a bourgeois
Why is a better question...
Shel Belinkoff wrote:
How would you use MLU without a tripod?
Shel
You meet the nicest people with a Pentax
Boris wrote:
I think I can live with Pentax 645 and 75/2.8 lens...
But I think I'd want a MLU so that I won't have to
haul a tripod with
- Original Message -
From: Shel Belinkoff
Subject: Re: Possibility of Medium Format enablement
How would you use MLU without a tripod?
On the 6x7, I crop a little loose, and just before I want to take the
picture, I lock the mirror.
William Robb
And how does that effect to focus, my good may - after all, the camera
position has moved and with the mirror up you can't see to adjust focus.
Am I missing something?
Shel
You meet the nicest people with a Pentax
[Original Message]
From: William Robb
- Original Message -
- Original Message -
From: Shel Belinkoff
Subject: Re: Possibility of Medium Format enablement
And how does that effect to focus, my good may - after all, the camera
position has moved and with the mirror up you can't see to adjust focus.
Am I missing something?
The trick
On 21/11/05, William Robb, discombobulated, unleashed:
Lots of people shoot from the hip, where they have preset focus and
exposure, and depend on their feel for the situation to know what the camera
is pointing at.
FWIW, all the pics on this page were shot with the mirror of my digi
locked
Exposure set, stopped down a ways and hyperfocal.
This shot:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/mawz/29589141/
was shot from the hip with a Canonet. Same basic idea as shooting with
MLU, but even less framing accuracy (but great for stealth street
shooting, the Canonet's quieter than a Leica).
Message]
From: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Date: 11/21/2005 3:29:35 PM
Subject: Re: Possibility of Medium Format enablement
- Original Message -
From: Shel Belinkoff
Subject: Re: Possibility of Medium Format enablement
And how does that effect
: 11/21/2005 3:29:35 PM
Subject: Re: Possibility of Medium Format enablement
- Original Message -
From: Shel Belinkoff
Subject: Re: Possibility of Medium Format enablement
And how does that effect to focus, my good may - after all, the camera
position has moved and with the mirror
It simulates digital shutter lag. :-)
Tom C.
From: Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: Re: Possibility of Medium Format enablement
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 16:11:06 -0800
OK, I can see that as a ~possibility~ in situations
are you looking for 645 or 6x9 fuji rf? i
mishka
On 11/21/05, Boris Liberman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I promise, Boris, you can have the NEXT one. I have this one!
(See my comments to Godfrey...)
I doubt it I will be after RolleiFlex... Fuji rangefinders are very
attractive proposition.
This is a different kettle of fish. My comments dealt with accurate focus
and framing. The type of shooting you're presenting here lends itself to
neither. I've done a lot of this type of photography myself, and being
close wrt to focus and framing is fine - being OOF, showing motion blur,
and
LOL It's not quite the same as shooting MF with MLU and trying to
maintain proper framing and focusing accuracy.
Shel
You meet the nicest people with a Pentax
[Original Message]
From: Adam Maas
Exposure set, stopped down a ways and hyperfocal.
This shot:
this is a blank statement that doesn't mean much. what excatly
MF 35mm SLR are you comparing?
i am also curious about your reasoning (since i doubt you did an extensive
first-hand research):
the mass of mirror scales as (frame side)^2 -- as film area
the mass of camera scales as (frame side)^3
so,
Few MF SLR's weigh much more than a Nikon F5 or EOS 1v. However the
mirrors on a MF SLR are substantially heavier. And they scale at a
higher rate than (frame side)^2 for mechanical reasons, the mirror must
be thicker to withstand the extra stress and it must move faster at the
equivalent
It's fairly common practice, when shooting with a Hasselblad 500C/M
or similar, to press the button that flips up the mirror, closes the
front shutter and opens the rear shutter to minimize vibration at low
shutter speeds. Even hand held. As long as you're steady, it works
remarkably well.
very true.
also, hassy (and p645 for that matter) mirror is loud and seem to shake
the camera, but *on its way down*. however what really matters is
how well it is dampened on its way *up* -- and there the answer is
very well indeed.
best,
mishka
On 11/21/05, Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED]
: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Date: 11/21/2005 3:29:35 PM
Subject: Re: Possibility of Medium Format enablement
- Original Message - From: Shel Belinkoff
Subject: Re: Possibility of Medium Format enablement
And how does that effect to focus, my good may
: Re: Possibility of Medium Format enablement
How would you use MLU without a tripod?
On the 6x7, I crop a little loose, and just before I want to take the
picture, I lock the mirror.
William Robb
Shel asked:
How would you use MLU without a tripod?
It's actually pretty easy with the MZ-S. This is the procedure I use:
Set camera on tripod.
Set shutter mode to 2 second delay mirror prefire
take the picture
remove camera from tripod forgetting to reset shutter to normal mode
frame another
: Monday, November 21, 2005 4:55 PM
Subject: Re: Possibility of Medium Format enablement
Aaron Reynolds claimed to be able to do it - did it all the time (so he
said).
But he was the Senior Brother of the Brotherhood... LOL
Aaron? Can you respond? g
MLU can be enabled on the 6x7 without moving the camera. It's focus
first, then a quick push up of the MLU switch followed by shutter
release.
Paul
On Nov 21, 2005, at 6:22 PM, Shel Belinkoff wrote:
And how does that effect to focus, my good may - after all, the camera
position has moved and
Here's Aaron's take on handheld MLU with a 6x7:
-- Forwarded message --
From: Aaron Reynolds [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Nov 21, 2005 9:07 PM
Subject: Re: Possibility of Medium Format enablement
To: frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
On Nov 21, 2005, at 4
sharpness. So, what's to be
gained
by using MLU while hand holding a camera?
Shel
You meet the nicest people with a Pentax
[Original Message]
From: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Date: 11/21/2005 3:29:35 PM
Subject: Re: Possibility of Medium Format enablement
Hi!
are you looking for 645 or 6x9 fuji rf? i
I am looking either for 645 or 6x6 camera... I am not looking for 6X9...
Boris
Hi!
How would you use MLU without a tripod?
Like this:
http://www.photoforum.ru/photo/230042
Boris
- Original Message -
From: Boris Liberman
Subject: Re: Possibility of Medium Format enablement
Hi!
How would you use MLU without a tripod?
Like this:
http://www.photoforum.ru/photo/230042
Nice shot, Boris.
As is this:
http://www.photoforum.ru/photo/216097/index.en.html
http
Hi!
What does *a* mean?
Once upon a time I made rather unpleasant blunder by writing quite few
while it should've been quite a few...
Cropping to a square isn't always the same as composing to fit the square
format, Boris.
Well, of course... You're right... But given a rectangle one can
Mishka wrote:
one more thing to keep inmy about 'flexes: unless it's a fairly recent model,
factor in a replacement g.g screen -- something like maxwell (which is
what i have on my 'cord and which is wonderfull).
a very clean (~ KEH EX..EX+) 'flex can be had under $500 on ebay (like my 3.5F
On Nov 20, 2005, at 4:35 PM, keith_w wrote:
I just located a _superb_ f/3.5 Rollei TLR, a 3.5E, and I hope it's
still available the next time I check.
I found that the f/2.8s are NOT available for much less than the
national debt! I'd have to sell 3 or 4 cameras to get one, and I
don't
Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
On Nov 20, 2005, at 4:35 PM, keith_w wrote:
I just located a _superb_ f/3.5 Rollei TLR, a 3.5E, and I hope it's
still available the next time I check.
I found that the f/2.8s are NOT available for much less than the
national debt! I'd have to sell 3 or 4 cameras
Hi!
This one's a 75mm Xenar.
O.M.G. ~ it just occurred to me, I'm just watching it!
Maybe I'd better commit! ;-)
Okay, I did it...
Talk to y'all tomorrow!
Keith, for a splittest briefest moment I thought you were going to let
me have it...
*sigh*
Boris
Hi!
All were very good cameras and turned extremely good photos. The Fuji
GA645 has a very good lens, super crisp, but I always prefer the
rendering with the Zeiss lensed cameras. The Hassy SWC's Biogon is just
a phenomenally wonderful lens.
I guess RolleiFlex is still the best... A
Hi!
The fixed lens range-finder style cameras generally offer very good performance
relative to cost, the P645 whilst a wonderful camera is IMO too much like the
kit that you already have without a really substantial advantage. The RF style
cameras optics are generally better than SLR optics,
On Nov 19, 2005, at 9:19 AM, Boris Liberman wrote:
All were very good cameras and turned extremely good photos. The
Fuji GA645 has a very good lens, super crisp, but I always prefer
the rendering with the Zeiss lensed cameras. The Hassy SWC's
Biogon is just a phenomenally wonderful
Boris Liberman wrote:
Hi!
All were very good cameras and turned extremely good photos. The
Fuji GA645 has a very good lens, super crisp, but I always prefer
the rendering with the Zeiss lensed cameras. The Hassy SWC's Biogon
is just a phenomenally wonderful lens.
I guess RolleiFlex is
HEllo Boris ...
Please think about this. The Fuji 645 shoots in portrait orientation,
i.e., vertical. If you want a horizontal or landscape photo, you'd have to
turn the camera vertically. I've never cared much for the 645 format, much
preferring 6x6, and probably 6x7. Also, I understand that
If image quality is what you want, why not go for a 6x9 camera. a 6x9
tanny is very nice on the light table.
graywolf
http://www.graywolfphoto.com
Idiot Proof == Expert Proof
---
Boris Liberman wrote:
Hi!
The fixed lens range-finder style cameras generally
Another thing about Rolleis is one with slight cleaning marks goes for
about 1/2 what one with a pristine lens. That puts a Xenotar (my
preference) or a Planar lensed Rolleiflex in the same price range as a
Tessar lensed one without the marks. Believe me, if there is any
difference in photo
I also tend to prefer 6x6, but 645 is much more economical on film
and fits most paper sizings with less waste ... I always feel bad
when I cut down a 13x19 sheet to 13x13 for full frame presentation,
or have to work to make 20x20 inch prints.
Funny thing is that I find that I shoot about
E.R.N. Reed wrote:
Boris Liberman wrote:
Hi!
All were very good cameras and turned extremely good photos. The
Fuji GA645 has a very good lens, super crisp, but I always prefer
the rendering with the Zeiss lensed cameras. The Hassy SWC's Biogon
is just a phenomenally wonderful lens.
Shel Belinkoff wrote:
HEllo Boris ...
...for a Rolleiflex 40
and 50 yo 'flexes are still going strong, still serviceable. Get a good
one - even if you have to save up for it, spend a few dollars for a good
CLA, and you'll have a camera good for many, many years of troublefree
service and
While aware of it, I've never let economy of film or paper influence my
choice of format. Perhaps I should have given such things more
consideration shrug. However, I see 645 and 6x6 (and that includes 6x7
as the two are so close in my mind) as different formats.
As for paper, if I were to
- Original Message -
From: Shel Belinkoff
Subject: Re: Possibility of Medium Format enablement
However, I see 645 and 6x6 (and that includes 6x7
as the two are so close in my mind) as different formats.
Interesting take on the subject.
6x7 is sort of a Texas 645 format.
6x6
6x6 often requires a different way of seeing the subject. It's been said
that filling a 6x6 frame with a good image is more difficult than with
rectangular frames.
What are the actual dimensions of the Pentax 6x7 frame?
Shel
You meet the nicest people with a Pentax
[Original Message]
6x6 often requires a different way of
seeing the subject. It's been said
that filling a 6x6 frame with a good image is more difficult than with
rectangular frames.
What are the actual dimensions of the Pentax 6x7 frame?
I dont have a metric tape,but
Is the slide mounted? If so, doesn't the mount eat into the frame
somewhat? What do you mean by between jiggles?
Shel
You meet the nicest people with a Pentax
[Original Message]
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
What are the actual dimensions of the Pentax 6x7 frame?
I dont have a metric
No.
Sorry i should have said from a slide photo, unmounted.
Jiggles means my light table at the time was my window and its cold today.:-)
Dave
Is the slide mounted? If so, doesn't
the mount eat into the frame
somewhat? What do you mean by between
On 19 Nov 2005 at 19:22, Boris Liberman wrote:
I am chasing improved image quality of course... Otherwise why bother...
I had to ask, you may just have been trying to fulfil an MF fantasy :-)
So, if I understand you correctly Fuji 645 that I mentioned is a
reasonable way to proceed, right?
On 19 Nov 2005 at 14:50, Shel Belinkoff wrote:
6x6 often requires a different way of seeing the subject. It's been said
that filling a 6x6 frame with a good image is more difficult than with
rectangular frames.
What are the actual dimensions of the Pentax 6x7 frame?
The official frame
one more thing to keep inmy about 'flexes: unless it's a fairly recent model,
factor in a replacement g.g screen -- something like maxwell (which is
what i have on my 'cord and which is wonderfull).
a very clean (~ KEH EX..EX+) 'flex can be had under $500 on ebay (like my 3.5F
which I bought a
- Original Message -
From: Shel Belinkoff
Subject: Re: Possibility of Medium Format enablement
What are the actual dimensions of the Pentax 6x7 frame?
55mm x 70mm.
William Robb
The Pentax 6x7 makes perfect full frame 11 x 14s, so 55 x 70 sounds
right.
Paul
On Nov 19, 2005, at 8:27 PM, Rob Studdert wrote:
On 19 Nov 2005 at 14:50, Shel Belinkoff wrote:
6x6 often requires a different way of seeing the subject. It's been
said
that filling a 6x6 frame with a good
Hi!
6x6 often requires a different way of seeing the subject. It's been said
that filling a 6x6 frame with a good image is more difficult than with
rectangular frames.
I really *love* 6x6. I have small Voigtlander folder and also you may
have noticed quite *a* ;-) few of my digital photos
What does *a* mean?
Cropping to a square isn't always the same as composing to fit the square
format, Boris.
Shel
You meet the nicest people with a Pentax
[Original Message]
From: Boris Liberman
I really *love* 6x6. I have small Voigtlander folder and also you may
have noticed quite
On Nov 20, 2005, at 11:50 AM, Shel Belinkoff wrote:
6x6 often requires a different way of seeing the subject. It's
been said
that filling a 6x6 frame with a good image is more difficult than with
rectangular frames.
What are the actual dimensions of the Pentax 6x7 frame?
It may vary
On Nov 20, 2005, at 12:27 PM, Shel Belinkoff wrote:
Is the slide mounted? If so, doesn't the mount eat into the frame
somewhat?
I am not sure if labs will mount medium format, but the mounts are
available.
The ones I use are 85 x 85mm with a 67 x 55mm cutout. They work a
bit like
Hi!
I think it would be prudent to open a new thread...
What I was thinking of is a camera with standard lens, preferably fixed
lens. I have eyed some Fuji models. I want something that is reasonably
light, with good quality and reasonable versatility...
I think I can live with Pentax 645
On Nov 18, 2005, at 11:15 AM, Boris Liberman wrote:
What I was thinking of is a camera with standard lens, preferably
fixed lens. I have eyed some Fuji models. I want something that is
reasonably light, with good quality and reasonable versatility...
...
As for what Frank suggested... I've
On 11/18/05, Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The YashicaMat 124G was a decent camera ... I seem to recall that the
earlier ones had a 4-element Tessar type lens, where the last series
had been cost-reduced with a relatively poor Triotar type design.
Mine was 1981 vintage and was
I highly recommend the Fujifilm GW670ii. It is light, robust, reliable and
produces stunning images. It is a completely manual rangefinder and has no
light meter. It is also known as the Texas Leica, which refers to both
its size and quality. I'm confident that the other models in this family
Boris,
You can hardly go wrong with P645 (although I wouldn't buy a
FA75mm -- the manual focus ones are much cheaper). The
*big* plus of P645 is that you can easily mount many 3rd party lenses
made for pentacon6/kiev mount, inluding some very inexpensive
Zeiss gems (and very expensive Zeiss gems
On 18 Nov 2005 at 21:15, Boris Liberman wrote:
Hi!
I think it would be prudent to open a new thread...
What I was thinking of is a camera with standard lens, preferably fixed
lens. I have eyed some Fuji models. I want something that is reasonably
light, with good quality and reasonable
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