Re: No wireless with RTF in K10D :-(

2006-09-16 Thread Kostas Kavoussanakis
On Fri, 15 Sep 2006, Paul Stenquist wrote: The on-camera pop-up flash will trigger another flash without wires if the other flash is in slave mode. In mettered TTL for the slave? Kostas -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

Re: No wireless with RTF in K10D :-(

2006-09-16 Thread Paul Stenquist
Okay, that's why using the popup flash as a slave trigger works in my studio. I always shoot in manual exposure mode there. And since I haven't tried it more than once or twice, it may well have been with a K lens. Paul On Sep 15, 2006, at 11:49 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: That only works

Re: No wireless with RTF in K10D :-(

2006-09-16 Thread Paul Stenquist
No. You have to do it the old fashioned way. But that's the only way I shoot in my studio or when I use studio strobes on location. With digital it's not very difficult. You don't even have to do any math. Guess, shoot and look. Once you know your equipment, it's easy to come within a stop

RE: No wireless with RTF in K10D :-(

2006-09-15 Thread Rob Brigham
To me, this is far more serious than losing use of the aperture ring. Almost all of my indoor flash photography is done with the wireless 360 bounced and the RTF providing a little fill to avoid shadow cast. This means I can bounce the 360 off the most appropriate surface because I can point it

RE: No wireless with RTF in K10D :-(

2006-09-15 Thread Kostas Kavoussanakis
On Fri, 15 Sep 2006, Rob Brigham wrote: I am not gonna use 2 flashes because the whole thing just gets too cumbersome then, and people will think I am even more mad than at present...! Well put. Kostas -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: No wireless with RTF in K10D :-(

2006-09-15 Thread Paul Stenquist
You can use the 360 as a slave. I also suspect that this information might be wrong. It doesn't make much sense. I wouldn't get my shorts in a knot over it quite yet. On Sep 15, 2006, at 5:53 AM, Rob Brigham wrote: To me, this is far more serious than losing use of the aperture ring. Almost

RE: No wireless with RTF in K10D :-(

2006-09-15 Thread Rob Brigham
Hope you are right Paul. Cant believe they would do something like this - there is no justifiable reason for it, unless you were selling a camera without RTF. The use of RTF other than as a controller could arguably not belong on a higher end model like this, so if they were going to nobble it,

Re: No wireless with RTF in K10D :-(

2006-09-15 Thread Gonz
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You can use the 360 as a slave. I also suspect that this information might be wrong. It doesn't make much sense. I wouldn't get my shorts in a knot over it quite yet. On Sep 15, 2006, at 5:53 AM, Rob Brigham wrote: I agree. It would be a serious omission and is

Re: No wireless with RTF in K10D :-(

2006-09-15 Thread Lawrence Kwan
On Fri, 15 Sep 2006, Gonz wrote: I also suspect that this information might be wrong. It doesn't make much sense. I wouldn't get my shorts in a knot over it quite yet. I agree. It would be a serious omission and is not likely to be correct. I am almost certain that this is true. First, this

Re: No wireless with RTF in K10D :-(

2006-09-15 Thread Jack Davis
I'm very comfortable with the possibility of its being wrong. Jack --- Gonz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You can use the 360 as a slave. I also suspect that this information might be wrong. It doesn't make much sense. I wouldn't get my shorts in a knot over

RE: No wireless with RTF in K10D :-(

2006-09-15 Thread Rob Brigham
This is what concerns me - I have been looking for something on the menus, or a button like we have to select the 'channel' number. Havent seen anything. If this isnt on there I will have to be seriously re-evaluating my purchase of this camera, such is my need for this. I love (almost) all of

Re: No wireless with RTF in K10D :-(

2006-09-15 Thread Brendan MacRae
--- Sylwester Pietrzyk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just have read FAQ on japanese K10D page using babelfish and: Q: The Strobo it can photograph with the wireless? A: Wireless photographing is possible by the fact that 2 AF540FGZ or AF360FGZ are used. With the built-in Strobo wireless

RE: No wireless with RTF in K10D :-(

2006-09-15 Thread Brendan MacRae
--- Rob Brigham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hope you are right Paul. Cant believe they would do something like this - there is no justifiable reason for it, unless you were selling a camera without RTF. The use of RTF other than as a controller could arguably not belong on a higher end

Re: No wireless with RTF in K10D :-(

2006-09-15 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Sep 15, 2006, at 10:46 AM, Brendan MacRae wrote: ... Otherwise, why on earth include the flash at all? Like you say, get rid of it altogether and lose the weight and size and sell more af540-FGZ's. For occasional use. I have almost never used the built in flash other than for testing,

Re: No wireless with RTF in K10D :-(

2006-09-15 Thread Cotty
On 15/9/06, Brendan MacRae, discombobulated, unleashed: But, I agree that on a high end model, the wireless flash triggering of the pop-up is a definite must, as this is the pro feature. Stark raving mad. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|

Re: No wireless with RTF in K10D :-(

2006-09-15 Thread Brendan MacRae
Hey, I resent that! I am not stark... ;-] -Brendan --- Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 15/9/06, Brendan MacRae, discombobulated, unleashed: But, I agree that on a high end model, the wireless flash triggering of the pop-up is a definite must, as this is the pro feature. Stark

Re: No wireless with RTF in K10D :-(

2006-09-15 Thread Paul Stenquist
Can't you set your second flash as a slave? Functionally, it's the same thing. Paul On Sep 15, 2006, at 12:50 PM, Rob Brigham wrote: This is what concerns me - I have been looking for something on the menus, or a button like we have to select the 'channel' number. Havent seen anything.

Re: No wireless with RTF in K10D :-(

2006-09-15 Thread Cotty
On 15/9/06, Brendan MacRae, discombobulated, unleashed: Hey, I resent that! I am not stark... ;-] LOL Okay, but you're mad as a March hare, boyo. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ --

Re: No wireless with RTF in K10D :-(

2006-09-15 Thread Kostas Kavoussanakis
On Fri, 15 Sep 2006, Paul Stenquist wrote: Can't you set your second flash as a slave? Functionally, it's the same thing. Don't get it, what do you mean by second flash. Why would he have 2 accessory flashes? Just to trigger the other one? I am buying onto the compact, light Pentax system so

Re: No wireless with RTF in K10D :-(

2006-09-15 Thread Brendan MacRae
Could be, there is ample evidence! -Brendan --- Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 15/9/06, Brendan MacRae, discombobulated, unleashed: Hey, I resent that! I am not stark... ;-] LOL Okay, but you're mad as a March hare, boyo. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) |

Re: No wireless with RTF in K10D :-(

2006-09-15 Thread Paul Stenquist
The on-camera pop-up flash will trigger another flash without wires if the other flash is in slave mode. Paul On Sep 15, 2006, at 5:12 PM, Kostas Kavoussanakis wrote: On Fri, 15 Sep 2006, Paul Stenquist wrote: Can't you set your second flash as a slave? Functionally, it's the same thing.

Re: No wireless with RTF in K10D :-(

2006-09-15 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
That only works if the built-in flash is not in P-TTL mode, otherwise the first flash will trigger the external flash and not the flash at time of exposure. I use slave-triggered flash all the time, but not with the built-in flash unit as I have to switch to manual exposure mode and take