Subject: Re: Multiple Brands or Switching - a Trend?

2013-04-14 Thread Tom C
From: Aahz Maruch a...@pobox.com

 I should add, following the line of thought, that any/every camera is
 capable in the hands of one who knows how to best use it.

 That's half-true, at best.  My Nikon P7100 just isn't good for low-light
 photography (although it's considerably better than my previous Canon
 A710).  Similarly, no camera is good if you hate to use it (you can argue
 that it's capable, I suppose, but that smells of wrong question).

Really?

You show me one camera that cannot produce a pleasing image and I'll
show you a million that are.

Tom C.

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Re: Subject: Re: Multiple Brands or Switching - a Trend?

2013-04-14 Thread Tom C
 That's half-true, at best.  My Nikon P7100 just isn't good for low-light
 photography (although it's considerably better than my previous Canon
 A710).  Similarly, no camera is good if you hate to use it (you can argue
 that it's capable, I suppose, but that smells of wrong question).

 Really?

 You show me one camera that cannot produce a pleasing image and I'll
 show you a million that are.

I wasn't referring to a specific use for a specific camera. I was
speaking in general terms, that being, any camera is capable of
producing a pleasing and decent image, unless it's downright
defective.

Tom C.

On Sun, Apr 14, 2013 at 12:02 AM, Tom C caka...@gmail.com wrote:
 From: Aahz Maruch a...@pobox.com

 I should add, following the line of thought, that any/every camera is
 capable in the hands of one who knows how to best use it.

 That's half-true, at best.  My Nikon P7100 just isn't good for low-light
 photography (although it's considerably better than my previous Canon
 A710).  Similarly, no camera is good if you hate to use it (you can argue
 that it's capable, I suppose, but that smells of wrong question).

 Really?

 You show me one camera that cannot produce a pleasing image and I'll
 show you a million that are.

 Tom C.

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Re: Subject: Re: Multiple Brands or Switching - a Trend?

2013-04-14 Thread Aahz Maruch
On Sun, Apr 14, 2013, Tom C wrote:
 From: Aahz Maruch a...@pobox.com

 I should add, following the line of thought, that any/every camera is
 capable in the hands of one who knows how to best use it.
 
 That's half-true, at best.  My Nikon P7100 just isn't good for low-light
 photography (although it's considerably better than my previous Canon
 A710).  Similarly, no camera is good if you hate to use it (you can argue
 that it's capable, I suppose, but that smells of wrong question).
 
 Really?
 
 You show me one camera that cannot produce a pleasing image and I'll
 show you a million that are.

[adding in Tom's followup from a separate post]
 I wasn't referring to a specific use for a specific camera. I was
 speaking in general terms, that being, any camera is capable of
 producing a pleasing and decent image, unless it's downright
 defective.

That just brings you up to half-true.  ;-)  My point is that any camera
you refuse to use because you hate it can't produce a pleasing and
decent image.  Like you, I'm talking in general terms, obviously one can
haul the camera out and take a picture -- but if your inclination is to
leave it in the closet gathering dust instead of taking pictures...
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Re: Subject: Re: Multiple Brands or Switching - a Trend?

2013-04-14 Thread Bill

On 14/04/2013 12:14 AM, Tom C wrote:

That's half-true, at best.  My Nikon P7100 just isn't good for low-light
photography (although it's considerably better than my previous Canon
A710).  Similarly, no camera is good if you hate to use it (you can argue
that it's capable, I suppose, but that smells of wrong question).

Really?
You show me one camera that cannot produce a pleasing image and I'll
show you a million that are.

I wasn't referring to a specific use for a specific camera. I was
speaking in general terms, that being, any camera is capable of
producing a pleasing and decent image, unless it's downright
defective.

Tom C.
I fully understand Aahz's no camera is good if you hate to use it 
comment. The camera my be fine, but if it's ergonomics are getting in 
the way of the user, or even if it's just butt ugly and is missing key 
components (the Pentax K-01 for example), it's not going to be something 
the photographer wants to use.


bill

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Re: Subject: Re: Multiple Brands or Switching - a Trend?

2013-04-14 Thread Bob Sullivan
Case in point...
I have the K-01 with me all the time in the car
I'm still having trouble getting used to the 'NO VIEWFINDER.'
This makes me put it away faster/sooner and stop shooting.
Not really a good thing.  I'm trying to adjust, but...
Regards,  Bob S.


On Sun, Apr 14, 2013 at 7:12 AM, Bill anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 14/04/2013 12:14 AM, Tom C wrote:

 That's half-true, at best.  My Nikon P7100 just isn't good for low-light
 photography (although it's considerably better than my previous Canon
 A710).  Similarly, no camera is good if you hate to use it (you can
 argue
 that it's capable, I suppose, but that smells of wrong question).

 Really?
 You show me one camera that cannot produce a pleasing image and I'll
 show you a million that are.

 I wasn't referring to a specific use for a specific camera. I was
 speaking in general terms, that being, any camera is capable of
 producing a pleasing and decent image, unless it's downright
 defective.

 Tom C.

 I fully understand Aahz's no camera is good if you hate to use it comment.
 The camera my be fine, but if it's ergonomics are getting in the way of the
 user, or even if it's just butt ugly and is missing key components (the
 Pentax K-01 for example), it's not going to be something the photographer
 wants to use.

 bill


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Re: Subject: Re: Multiple Brands or Switching - a Trend?

2013-04-14 Thread Aahz Maruch
On Sun, Apr 14, 2013, Bob Sullivan wrote:

 Case in point...
 I have the K-01 with me all the time in the car
 I'm still having trouble getting used to the 'NO VIEWFINDER.'
 This makes me put it away faster/sooner and stop shooting.
 Not really a good thing.  I'm trying to adjust, but...

The cheap prices of the K-01 keep tempting me, but I have learned from
experience that I need a viewfinder or at least a good articulating LCD
and the K-01 has neither, so I keep exercising self-discipline, even
though it'd probably work well enough for the main purpose that I want to
get it for (indoor low-light photography).  I'm not comfortable yet
buying a camera for only one purpose.
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Re: Subject: Re: Multiple Brands or Switching - a Trend? (Bill)

2013-04-14 Thread Tom C
 From: Bill anotherdrunken...@gmail.com

 On 14/04/2013 12:14 AM, Tom C wrote:
 That's half-true, at best.  My Nikon P7100 just isn't good for low-light
 photography (although it's considerably better than my previous Canon
 A710).  Similarly, no camera is good if you hate to use it (you can argue
 that it's capable, I suppose, but that smells of wrong question).
 Really?
 You show me one camera that cannot produce a pleasing image and I'll
 show you a million that are.
 I wasn't referring to a specific use for a specific camera. I was
 speaking in general terms, that being, any camera is capable of
 producing a pleasing and decent image, unless it's downright
 defective.

 Tom C.
 I fully understand Aahz's no camera is good if you hate to use it
 comment. The camera my be fine, but if it's ergonomics are getting in
 the way of the user, or even if it's just butt ugly and is missing key
 components (the Pentax K-01 for example), it's not going to be something
 the photographer wants to use.

 bill

Getting it back in thread...

All that's well and good but it has *nothing* to to with making my
assertion *half-true at best.* I wrote:

 I should add, following the line of thought, that any/every camera is
 capable in the hands of one who knows how to best use it.

It's quite obvious that any/every camera that is unused is
photographically-speaking, a doorstop.

Tom C.

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Re: Subject: Re: Multiple Brands or Switching - a Trend?

2013-04-14 Thread P.J. Alling
Some cameras rise above their ergonomics.  The Kodak Medalist, is a 
beast, though not that much bigger and heavier than a K20D, and by 
modern, (say post 1950), standards quirky to say the least, but what 
limits my shooting with it is available film.  The damned stuff is 
getting expensive, (and I have to re-spool the 120 onto 620), even if I 
only shoot BW with it.  I'm sad that I will never see Ektachrome or 
better still Kodachrome slides from it...


On 4/14/2013 10:31 AM, Bob Sullivan wrote:

Case in point...
I have the K-01 with me all the time in the car
I'm still having trouble getting used to the 'NO VIEWFINDER.'
This makes me put it away faster/sooner and stop shooting.
Not really a good thing.  I'm trying to adjust, but...
Regards,  Bob S.


On Sun, Apr 14, 2013 at 7:12 AM, Bill anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote:

On 14/04/2013 12:14 AM, Tom C wrote:

That's half-true, at best.  My Nikon P7100 just isn't good for low-light
photography (although it's considerably better than my previous Canon
A710).  Similarly, no camera is good if you hate to use it (you can
argue
that it's capable, I suppose, but that smells of wrong question).

Really?
You show me one camera that cannot produce a pleasing image and I'll
show you a million that are.

I wasn't referring to a specific use for a specific camera. I was
speaking in general terms, that being, any camera is capable of
producing a pleasing and decent image, unless it's downright
defective.

Tom C.

I fully understand Aahz's no camera is good if you hate to use it comment.
The camera my be fine, but if it's ergonomics are getting in the way of the
user, or even if it's just butt ugly and is missing key components (the
Pentax K-01 for example), it's not going to be something the photographer
wants to use.

bill


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