Re: preorder K20D already

2008-01-25 Thread mike wilson
From: Steve Desjardins [EMAIL PROTECTED] Pentax marketing was never more than what the engineers did during coffee breaks Mark! - Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam -- PDML

Re: preorder K20D already

2008-01-25 Thread P. J. Alling
I think Pentax marketing renamed the MZ-D/MR-52 as the K1D some time ago and releassed a few photographs through a Japanese or Chinese high tech web site, (part of a viral marketing campaign, yes I know very cutting edge for Pentax but that's what it looks like to me). So the K1 already

Re: preorder K20D already

2008-01-25 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 1/25/2008 1:50:48 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Not that much. The K1D photos were discussed about quite bit not that long ago. They were either very good Photoshop creations, or a MZ-D with a factory K1D silk screen job. Pentax has been leaking

Re: preorder K20D already

2008-01-25 Thread Paul Stenquist
I think that if there is a pro-level camera, it will still be a K1D. Why skip a number that never existed? I also think that it will be the same size sensor as the current lineup, More fps, better build, more features. Same sensor dimensions. That's my call, and I'm sticking to it:-). Paul

Re: preorder K20D already

2008-01-25 Thread Bruce Dayton
Hello Steve, What K10D campaign? So yes, they are different in that this time there seems to be real marketing. -- Bruce Thursday, January 24, 2008, 11:16:23 AM, you wrote: SD The camera had to be in the pipeline a while because of the new sensor. SD The marketing could be a more recent

Re: preorder K20D already

2008-01-25 Thread P. J. Alling
Not that much. The K1D photos were discussed about quite bit not that long ago. They were either very good Photoshop creations, or a MZ-D with a factory K1D silk screen job. Pentax has been leaking quite a bit more now than in the past. I think these leaks are intentional, it helps build

Re: preorder K20D already

2008-01-25 Thread Peter Fairweather
Looks more like a rosé drinker's hat to me. Unfortunately it also looks safer and safer as each cropped body comes out. The K1D will not be full frame and I don't hold out much hope for the K0.1D either. Silly name for a camera? Now there's one area that Pentax lead the field in!! Peter On

Re: preorder K20D already

2008-01-25 Thread Gonz
That looks like dessert. In that case I would suggest a nice Sauternes with it. Where's the main meal? I was expecting a Texas Ten Gallon hat. :) On 1/24/08, Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 24/01/08, Gonz, discombobulated, unleashed: The probability of a K1D in the works is very real,

Re: preorder K20D already

2008-01-25 Thread pnstenquist
You have a vivid imagination, Peter. -- Original message -- From: P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] I think Pentax marketing renamed the MZ-D/MR-52 as the K1D some time ago and releassed a few photographs through a Japanese or Chinese high tech web site, (part

Re: preorder K20D already

2008-01-25 Thread Bruce Dayton
I suspect I will be an early adopter. I was for the *istD, and the K10D and the DA 16-45 and the DA* 16-50 and the DA* 50-135...do you see a pattern here? So yeah, it's gonna happen grin. -- Bruce Thursday, January 24, 2008, 11:08:01 AM, you wrote: BM Oh, at $1300 body only...I'm in! BM

preorder K20D already

2008-01-24 Thread Gonz
Amazon already has their preorder page up for the K20D: http://tinyurl.com/2uckkv Gonz -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.

Re: preorder K20D already

2008-01-24 Thread David J Brooks
I'll wait. Dave On Jan 24, 2008 12:17 PM, Gonz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Amazon already has their preorder page up for the K20D: http://tinyurl.com/2uckkv Gonz -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML,

Re: preorder K20D already

2008-01-24 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 1/24/2008 9:24:16 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Amazon already has their preorder page up for the K20D: http://tinyurl.com/2uckkv Gonz = I swear I see Hoya's hand in this. Or Hoya's money. Or Hoya's management. Or both. Pentax was

Re: preorder K20D already

2008-01-24 Thread Steve Desjardins
I agree with Marnie. (I also read her posts.) Assuming that Pentax marketing was ever more than what the engineers did during coffee breaks, they have not been as sensible as they seem to be now. Steven Desjardins Department of Chemistry Washington and Lee University Lexington, VA 24450 (540)

Re: preorder K20D already

2008-01-24 Thread P. J. Alling
I think this was all planned before the Hoya merger. It began with the Samsung partnership. I don't know if the K20 is the exact camera Pentax had planned but it's got to be pretty close. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 1/24/2008 9:24:16 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL

Re: preorder K20D already

2008-01-24 Thread Brendan MacRae
Oh, at $1300 body only...I'm in! Now, let's hope some profitable gigs come my way soon :-[ -Brendan --- Gonz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Amazon already has their preorder page up for the K20D: http://tinyurl.com/2uckkv Gonz -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: preorder K20D already

2008-01-24 Thread Steve Desjardins
The camera had to be in the pipeline a while because of the new sensor. The marketing could be a more recent change though. I can't remember but was the K10D early campaign different than the one for the K20D? P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1/24/2008 1:49 PM I think this was all planned

Re: preorder K20D already

2008-01-24 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 1/24/2008 11:00:17 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I think this was all planned before the Hoya merger. It began with the Samsung partnership. I don't know if the K20 is the exact camera Pentax had planned but it's got to be pretty close.

Re: preorder K20D already

2008-01-24 Thread Gonz
Not only that, but its very encouraging to see the performance of the new sensor. They have kept the noise lower than K10D despite having 40% more pixels, which means that Samsung has done a very good job with the chip. Samsung is a very aggressive competitor, any market they take on they expect

Re: preorder K20D already

2008-01-24 Thread P. J. Alling
I don't remember it being much different. There was less buzz this time until just prior to the release maybe but not not much. The K10D was a much more anticipated product, but the the prior top product the *ist-D was pretty much unavailable. The news of the K20D would probably have killed

RE: preorder K20D already

2008-01-24 Thread J. C. O'Connell
: Re: preorder K20D already I don't remember it being much different. There was less buzz this time until just prior to the release maybe but not not much. The K10D was a much more anticipated product, but the the prior top product the *ist-D was pretty much unavailable. The news of the K20D

Re: preorder K20D already

2008-01-24 Thread Mark Roberts
P. J. Alling wrote: I think this was all planned before the Hoya merger. It began with the Samsung partnership. I don't know if the K20 is the exact camera Pentax had planned but it's got to be pretty close. long before the Samsung partnership I had heard from a reliable source that Pentax

Re: preorder K20D already

2008-01-24 Thread Charles Robinson
On Jan 24, 2008, at 13:52, J. C. O'Connell wrote: I saw the K10D somewhere recently for $509 New body only. Big difference from $1299 initial price for the 20D. That's what slays me. K10D would be a swell upgrade (in MOST regards) from the DS, but wow the K20D also has some very very

Re: preorder K20D already

2008-01-24 Thread Adam Maas
On 1/24/08, Charles Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 24, 2008, at 13:52, J. C. O'Connell wrote: I saw the K10D somewhere recently for $509 New body only. Big difference from $1299 initial price for the 20D. That's what slays me. K10D would be a swell upgrade (in MOST regards)

RE: preorder K20D already

2008-01-24 Thread J. C. O'Connell
Of Adam Maas Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2008 3:36 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: preorder K20D already On 1/24/08, Charles Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 24, 2008, at 13:52, J. C. O'Connell wrote: I saw the K10D somewhere recently for $509 New body only. Big difference

Re: preorder K20D already

2008-01-24 Thread Charles Robinson
On Jan 24, 2008, at 14:35, Adam Maas wrote: But also remember that it's $300 in improvements, not $700. K10D was $999 with the kit lens when introduced. Expect price on the K20D to drop after the initial demand is filled, probably in late summer. I don't expect it to ever get quite as

Re: preorder K20D already

2008-01-24 Thread John Francis
On Thu, Jan 24, 2008 at 03:35:53PM -0500, Adam Maas wrote: On 1/24/08, Charles Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 24, 2008, at 13:52, J. C. O'Connell wrote: I saw the K10D somewhere recently for $509 New body only. Big difference from $1299 initial price for the 20D.

Re: preorder K20D already

2008-01-24 Thread David J Brooks
On Jan 24, 2008 3:35 PM, Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 1/24/08, Charles Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 24, 2008, at 13:52, J. C. O'Connell wrote: I saw the K10D somewhere recently for $509 New body only. Big difference from $1299 initial price for the 20D.

Re: preorder K20D already

2008-01-24 Thread Cotty
On 24/01/08, Gonz, discombobulated, unleashed: The probability of a K1D in the works is very real, now that we have seen what the partnership is capable of in a relatively short time frame. What should I serve, white or red? http://www.cottysnaps.com/snaps/spare2.html -- Cheers, Cotty

Re: preorder K20D already

2008-01-24 Thread Jack Davis
Chapeau Blanc.. Jack --- Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 24/01/08, Gonz, discombobulated, unleashed: The probability of a K1D in the works is very real, now that we have seen what the partnership is capable of in a relatively short time frame. What should I serve, white or red?

RE: preorder K20D already

2008-01-24 Thread J. C. O'Connell
Of Adam Maas Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2008 9:28 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: preorder K20D already Ah yes, a 'New' item on Ebay for $80 under list (Note the kit was $999, body-only was $899). Such a deal. And certainly not new, most likely somebody flipping a purchase at a mild

Re: preorder K20D already

2008-01-24 Thread Adam Maas
On 1/24/08, David J Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 24, 2008 3:35 PM, Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 1/24/08, Charles Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 24, 2008, at 13:52, J. C. O'Connell wrote: I saw the K10D somewhere recently for $509 New body only. Big

Re: preorder K20D already

2008-01-24 Thread Adam Maas
:36 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: preorder K20D already On 1/24/08, Charles Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 24, 2008, at 13:52, J. C. O'Connell wrote: I saw the K10D somewhere recently for $509 New body only. Big difference from $1299 initial price for the 20D