Re: Printing service recommendations sought

[Ken Waller]

Bay photo.


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I have several photos on the wall that have darkened over the years, and lost 
their charm. As I recall I used Slideprinter/Denver Digital imaging for them.

I have more photos Id like to get printed, and a few old ones 
re-printed. What printing services have people been happy with?

Rick
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Re: Printing service recommendations sought

[Larry Colen]

> On Jan 10, 2023, at 6:33 PM, Rick Womer  wrote:
> 
> I have several photos on the wall that have darkened over the years, and lost 
> their charm.  As I recall I used Slideprinter/Denver Digital imaging for them.
> 
> I have more photos I’d like to get printed, and a few old ones re-printed. 
> What printing services have people been happy with?

For many years I’d get paper prints in 12x18 at Costco.  Unfortunately they no 
longer have in-store printing.  For display I use Bay photo, which for me has 
the benefit of being local.  I am a big fan of metal prints for display as they 
look great even without a frame, and if they get something on them they can be 
cleaned.  They also can have the wonderful deep blacks that would make 
Cibachrome prints look so nice.  


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Re: Printing service recommendations sought

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

Hi Rick, 

The only printing I've had done for me has been canvas wrap prints, which I've 
had printed by Artistic Photo Canvas in Florida. They're still around, and I 
imagine still do a lovely job. I'd recommend them if you want canvas wraps. 

Everything else I've done in prints are printed with my home system … I used to 
use an Epson R2400, switched to an Epson P600 some years ago, likely around 
2017. The P600 makes superb prints up to 13x19 inch cut sheet sized. 

I'm sure others have had prints done by a service. I occasionally take a 
printing job for some work. If you're interested in that, we can talk off line. 

G

> On Jan 10, 2023, at 6:33 PM, Rick Womer  wrote:
> 
> I have several photos on the wall that have darkened over the years, and lost 
> their charm.  As I recall I used Slideprinter/Denver Digital imaging for them.
> 
> I have more photos I’d like to get printed, and a few old ones re-printed. 
> What printing services have people been happy with?
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Re: Printing service recommendations sought

[ann sanfedele]

Are you talking about printing from chromes , negatives or digital 
files?   What size?


If you have jpg files  and 8 1/2" x 11 print would work  ,  I'll make 
some for you at cost. (paper and shipping)  I have some good Ultra 
premiun glossy Epson paper

and a good Epson r220.. I'm like the prints I get with this combo a lot.

ann



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I have several photos on the wall that have darkened over the years, and lost 
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I have more photos I’d like to get printed, and a few old ones re-printed. What 
printing services have people been happy with?

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Printing service recommendations sought

[Rick Womer]

I have several photos on the wall that have darkened over the years, and lost 
their charm.  As I recall I used Slideprinter/Denver Digital imaging for them.

I have more photos I’d like to get printed, and a few old ones re-printed. What 
printing services have people been happy with?

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Re: Printing

[John]

I'm pretty sure the National Geographic photographic "how to" book on taking 
photos with a cell phone is still in print.


https://www.amazon.com/Camera-Phone-Book-Display-Images/dp/1426200900

On 9/7/2019 20:14:22, P. J. Alling wrote:
Maybe you should disregard my suggestion.  They don't seem to have any reviews 
of cell phone cameras.   Since i don't buy my cell phone based on it's built in 
camera I never noticed before.


On 9/7/2019 6:48 PM, Eric Weir wrote:

On Sep 7, 2019, at 6:31 PM, Eric Weir  wrote:


On Sep 6, 2019, at 11:50 PM, P. J. Alling  wrote:

I'll just jump in here and confuse things a bit.  You'll always get the same 
number of pixels from any given camera, but the quality of the pixels count 
too.  Higher ISO will have an effect.


Usually all things being equal higher noise which will degrade image quality 
in any give size print.  www.imaging-resource.com has a section of their 
reviews dedicated to how large a picture you can print based on the sensor's 
maximum pixels and ISO.


You might want to check out if they have a review of your model and see what 
they have to say.

Thanks. Appreciate the reference. I’ll check it out.
Do you have a specific reference, P.J.? This article is somewhat relevant but 
doesn’t strike me as what you were referring to.


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Re: Printing

[John]

On 9/5/2019 12:02:39, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

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On Sep 5, 2019, at 8:57 AM, Eric Weir  wrote:

What determines the size of the image I get with my camera, i.e., my phone?
Is it always the same? Is iso a factor?

The number of pixels in a full frame capture will always be the same.

G


It's always the same number of pixels Width x Height, but the file size 
(MegaBytes) depends on the "quality" setting; whether you're shooting RAW or 
JPEG, and if it's JPEG, how much compression you have it set for.


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Re: Printing

[John]

On 9/5/2019 11:51:44, Eric Weir wrote:



On Sep 4, 2019, at 10:32 PM, John  wrote:

Generally, "72 dpi" is screen resolution. You don't want to print at "72
dpi" because it will look like crap.

At the 240ppi Godfrey mentioned 4032 x 2268 pixels gives you 16.8 x 9.45
inches.

To get a 20" wide print, 4032 pixels is going to give you around "201 ppi",
suggesting a crop to 2016 pixels high (for a 10 x 20 print).

A good "printer" should be able to give you an adequate 10x20 C-Type print
if the JPEG quality is high enough (2.5MB file size suggests it might be
just barely), although you're going to have to crop it to get that aspect
ratio.


Thanks, John. I’m confused. Not that you’re confusing, just that the limits
of my knowledge are again being tested. So the 72 dpi figure has nothing to
do with the size of print that can be obtained? The latter is a function of
the available pixels and the dimensions of the print?

In your third paragraph I don’t understand “suggesting a crop to 2016 pixels
high (for a 10 x 20 print).” I can increase the ppi for a given dimension of
print, e.g., 10 x 20, by cropping the image? My assumption would be that the
only way to increase the ppi would be to reduce the size of the print.

Your last paragraph: You think I can get a decent 10 x 20 print from the
image I described?



Forget 72 dpi. That ONLY applies to looking at the image ON A COMPUTER SCREEN.

10x20 is an aspect ratio of 1:2 (H x W). The aspect ratio of the pixels in your 
image is 1.78:2 (H x W).


If you are going to print it 10 x 20, the image will have to be cropped to the 
correct height


I don't know if you can get a good print from it or not because I don't know 
what the quality of the JPEG is from looking at it on the screen. I'd send the 
file to whoever is going to print it and ask them whether they can produce a 
decent 10 x 20 print from the file and how much would they crop from the top & 
bottom.



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Re: Printing

[P. J. Alling]

Maybe you should disregard my suggestion.  They don't seem to have any 
reviews of cell phone cameras.   Since i don't buy my cell phone based 
on it's built in camera I never noticed before.


On 9/7/2019 6:48 PM, Eric Weir wrote:

On Sep 7, 2019, at 6:31 PM, Eric Weir  wrote:


On Sep 6, 2019, at 11:50 PM, P. J. Alling  wrote:

I'll just jump in here and confuse things a bit.  You'll always get the same 
number of pixels from any given camera, but the quality of the pixels count 
too.  Higher ISO will have an effect.

Usually all things being equal higher noise which will degrade image quality in 
any give size print.  www.imaging-resource.com has a section of their reviews 
dedicated to how large a picture you can print based on the sensor's maximum 
pixels and ISO.

You might want to check out if they have a review of your model and see what 
they have to say.

Thanks. Appreciate the reference. I’ll check it out.

Do you have a specific reference, P.J.? This article is somewhat relevant but 
doesn’t strike me as what you were referring to.

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Re: Printing

[Larry Colen]

> On Sep 7, 2019, at 3:36 PM, Eric Weir  wrote:
> 
>> 
>> There are times when a lack of sharpness can negatively impact a photo, 
>> however if that is because the print is too big, then just display the photo 
>> someplace that people can’t leave nose prints on it from looking at it that 
>> closely.
> 
> A couple of my favorite photos, e.g., a shot into Grand Canyon on a rainy day 
> with lots of foggy haze in the canyons; a blurry shot from behind of a five 
> year old granddaughter joining the adult line dance at her aunt’s wedding, 
> are distinctly fuzzy.
> 

I think that the phrase you are looking for is “artistically defocused”.

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Re: Printing

[Eric Weir]

> On Sep 7, 2019, at 6:31 PM, Eric Weir  wrote:
> 
>> 
>> On Sep 6, 2019, at 11:50 PM, P. J. Alling  wrote:
>> 
>> I'll just jump in here and confuse things a bit.  You'll always get the same 
>> number of pixels from any given camera, but the quality of the pixels count 
>> too.  Higher ISO will have an effect.
>> 
>> Usually all things being equal higher noise which will degrade image quality 
>> in any give size print.  www.imaging-resource.com has a section of their 
>> reviews dedicated to how large a picture you can print based on the sensor's 
>> maximum pixels and ISO.
>> 
>> You might want to check out if they have a review of your model and see what 
>> they have to say.
> 
> Thanks. Appreciate the reference. I’ll check it out.

Do you have a specific reference, P.J.? This article is somewhat relevant but 
doesn’t strike me as what you were referring to.

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Re: Printing

[Eric Weir]

> On Sep 7, 2019, at 3:24 AM, Larry Colen  wrote:
> 
> On the other hand, you might want to not worry overmuch about the theory of 
> things.  Knarf had an interesting quote in his signature about sharpness.
> 
> Nine years ago I went to burning man for my 50th birthday.  I shot about 
> eight rolls of film in my Argus and about ten times as many frames with my 
> DSLRs. The photos taken with the DSLRs were significantly sharper, and 
> cleaner in pretty much every measurable way than the photos with taken with 
> the Argus, but one thing I realized was that artistically they weren’t any 
> better.  
> 
> There are times when a lack of sharpness can negatively impact a photo, 
> however if that is because the print is too big, then just display the photo 
> someplace that people can’t leave nose prints on it from looking at it that 
> closely.

A couple of my favorite photos, e.g., a shot into Grand Canyon on a rainy day 
with lots of foggy haze in the canyons; a blurry shot from behind of a five 
year old granddaughter joining the adult line dance at her aunt’s wedding, are 
distinctly fuzzy.

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Re: Printing

[Eric Weir]

> On Sep 6, 2019, at 11:50 PM, P. J. Alling  wrote:
> 
> I'll just jump in here and confuse things a bit.  You'll always get the same 
> number of pixels from any given camera, but the quality of the pixels count 
> too.  Higher ISO will have an effect.
> 
> Usually all things being equal higher noise which will degrade image quality 
> in any give size print.  www.imaging-resource.com has a section of their 
> reviews dedicated to how large a picture you can print based on the sensor's 
> maximum pixels and ISO.
> 
> You might want to check out if they have a review of your model and see what 
> they have to say.

Thanks. Appreciate the reference. I’ll check it out.

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Re: Printing

[Eric Weir]

> On Sep 6, 2019, at 7:04 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
> 
>> On Sep 6, 2019, at 10:39 AM, Eric Weir  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sep 4, 2019, at 7:11 PM, Eric Weir  wrote:
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Sep 4, 2019, at 1:54 PM, l...@red4est.com wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Flickr uses Bay as one of them and Bay is very good.  I have traditionally 
>>>> gotten my prints done at Costco.
>>> 
>>> Thanks to Larry and Ken for comments/suggestions regarding printing 
>>> services. If Flickr uses Bay I think I’ll give them a try.
>> 
>> Ordered my first print from Bay. It might be more convenient than via 
>> Flickr. I won’t always be printing photos posted to Flickr.
> 
> It is almost a certainty that your bits will flow through some cable that I 
> installed.

II had to think about that. 浪

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Re: Printing

[Larry Colen]

> On Sep 6, 2019, at 8:50 PM, P. J. Alling  wrote:
> 
> I'll just jump in here and confuse things a bit.  You'll always get the same 
> number of pixels from any given camera, but the quality of the pixels count 
> too.  Higher ISO will have an effect.
> 
> Usually all things being equal higher noise which will degrade image quality 
> in any give size print.  www.imaging-resource.com has a section of their 
> reviews dedicated to how large a picture you can print based on the sensor's 
> maximum pixels and ISO.
> 
> You might want to check out if they have a review of your model and see what 
> they have to say.

On the other hand, you might want to not worry overmuch about the theory of 
things.  Knarf had an interesting quote in his signature about sharpness.

Nine years ago I went to burning man for my 50th birthday.  I shot about eight 
rolls of film in my Argus and about ten times as many frames with my DSLRs. The 
photos taken with the DSLRs were significantly sharper, and cleaner in pretty 
much every measurable way than the photos with taken with the Argus, but one 
thing I realized was that artistically they weren’t any better.  

There are times when a lack of sharpness can negatively impact a photo, however 
if that is because the print is too big, then just display the photo someplace 
that people can’t leave nose prints on it from looking at it that closely.



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Re: Printing

[P. J. Alling]

I'll just jump in here and confuse things a bit.  You'll always get the 
same number of pixels from any given camera, but the quality of the 
pixels count too.  Higher ISO will have an effect.


Usually all things being equal higher noise which will degrade image 
quality in any give size print.  www.imaging-resource.com has a section 
of their reviews dedicated to how large a picture you can print based on 
the sensor's maximum pixels and ISO.


You might want to check out if they have a review of your model and see 
what they have to say.


On 9/5/2019 11:57 AM, Eric Weir wrote:



On Sep 5, 2019, at 11:50 AM, John  wrote:

On 9/5/2019 11:08:33, Eric Weir wrote:

So now two questions: (1) My image is 72 dpi/ppi, far short of 240 dpi/ppi.
What can I do with that, i.e., what’s the largest print I could get? (2) The
camera was my phone, an iPhone 6s. The 72 dpi/ppi result was with iso at 25.
Is what I should expect? Will I ever be able to get good large prints with
this camera?

No, your image is 4032 x 2268 pixels.

72 dpi is the display resolution. Has nothing to do with printing.

Printed at 240 ppi, 4032 x 2268 pixels will give a print 16.8" x 9.45".

A good "printer" (i.e. service bureau like Bay Photo) can probably work with 200 ppi to 
give you a print up to 20.16" x 11.34" which could be cropped to the 20x10 print you 
wanted.

... although the guy in the back actually doing the printing is probably going 
to call you bad names. They much prefer at least 300 ppi.

But, when I was running the mini-lab I could get an "acceptable" result with as 
little as 150 ppi (C-type on Kodak Endura glossy paper).

OK, now I understand. (I think.) One last question. (I hope.) What determines 
the size of the image I get with my camera, i.e., my phone? Is it always the 
same? Is iso a factor?

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Re: Printing

[Larry Colen]

> On Sep 6, 2019, at 10:39 AM, Eric Weir  wrote:
> 
> 
>> On Sep 4, 2019, at 7:11 PM, Eric Weir  wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> On Sep 4, 2019, at 1:54 PM, l...@red4est.com wrote:
>>> 
>>> Flickr uses Bay as one of them and Bay is very good.  I have traditionally 
>>> gotten my prints done at Costco.
>> 
>> Thanks to Larry and Ken for comments/suggestions regarding printing 
>> services. If Flickr uses Bay I think I’ll give them a try.
> 
> Ordered my first print from Bay. It might be more convenient than via Flickr. 
> I won’t always be printing photos posted to Flickr.

It is almost a certainty that your bits will flow through some cable that I 
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Re: Printing

[Eric Weir]

> On Sep 4, 2019, at 7:11 PM, Eric Weir  wrote:
> 
>> 
>> On Sep 4, 2019, at 1:54 PM, l...@red4est.com wrote:
>> 
>> Flickr uses Bay as one of them and Bay is very good.  I have traditionally 
>> gotten my prints done at Costco.
> 
> Thanks to Larry and Ken for comments/suggestions regarding printing services. 
> If Flickr uses Bay I think I’ll give them a try.

Ordered my first print from Bay. It might be more convenient than via Flickr. I 
won’t always be printing photos posted to Flickr.
  
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Re: Printing

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

> On Sep 5, 2019, at 1:41 PM, Eric Weir  wrote:
> 
> ...
> 
> Thanks again, Godfrey.

My pleasure. 

G

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Re: Printing

[Eric Weir]

> On Sep 5, 2019, at 12:07 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:
> 
>>> On Sep 5, 2019, at 8:57 AM, Eric Weir  wrote:
>>> 
>>> What determines the size of the image I get with my camera, i.e., my phone? 
>>> Is it always the same? Is iso a factor?
>> 
>> The number of pixels in a full frame capture will always be the same.
> 
> ... ISO will affect how much noise is apparent in the image. With the teensy 
> little sensors in a phone camera, the lower the ISO the better the noise 
> behavior and the better the tonal scale. With camera apps that allow you to 
> control ISO on the iPhone. It's best for good photos to keep the ISO under 
> 100 whenever you can. 
> 
> But of course, too long an exposure can cause camera movement which also 
> kills image quality. So you have to work to the limits of the device's 
> capabilities. :-)

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Re: Printing

[Eric Weir]

> On Sep 5, 2019, at 12:01 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:
> 
>> On Sep 5, 2019, at 8:08 AM, Eric Weir  wrote:
>> 
>> The camera was my phone, an iPhone 6s. The 72 dpi/ppi result was with iso at 
>> 25. Is what I should expect? Will I ever be able to get good large prints 
>> with this camera?
> 
> An iPhone 6s image at ISO 25, presuming a good exposure with the camera held 
> steadily enough, can net a beautiful print to the limits of the number of 
> pixels. 

Thanks.

> For instance, this is made with an iPhone 8 Plus (similar number of pixels) 
> and prints to a beautiful 13x13 inch print, or maybe larger: 
> 
> https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48625474017_8258d4fa1d_c.jpg

Very nice.

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Re: Printing

[Eric Weir]

> On Sep 5, 2019, at 11:58 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:
> 
> On Sep 5, 2019, at 8:08 AM, Eric Weir  wrote:
>> 
>> So now two questions: (1) My image is 72 dpi/ppi, far short of 240 dpi/ppi. 
>> What can I do with that, i.e., what’s the largest print I could get? (2) The 
>> camera was my phone, an iPhone 6s. The 72 dpi/ppi result was with iso at 25. 
>> Is what I should expect? Will I ever be able to get good large prints with 
>> this camera?
> 
> Where are you obtaining the 72 ppi number from? Probably the display you're 
> looking at. :-)
> 
> When it comes to printing and sizing an image, the number of pixels is 
> everything. If you want to find out how large an image area can be printed at 
> a reasonable quality, divide the horizontal and vertical dimensions by 240 to 
> give a dimension in inches. 
> 
> For instance, say you have a 2400 x 4800 pixel image. Divide by 240 nets a 10 
> x 20 inch print. :-)
> 
> Ja? 

Ja! And thanks.

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Re: Printing

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

>> On Sep 5, 2019, at 8:57 AM, Eric Weir  wrote:
>> 
>> What determines the size of the image I get with my camera, i.e., my phone? 
>> Is it always the same? Is iso a factor?
> 
> The number of pixels in a full frame capture will always be the same.

... ISO will affect how much noise is apparent in the image. With the teensy 
little sensors in a phone camera, the lower the ISO the better the noise 
behavior and the better the tonal scale. With camera apps that allow you to 
control ISO on the iPhone. It's best for good photos to keep the ISO under 100 
whenever you can. 

But of course, too long an exposure can cause camera movement which also kills 
image quality. So you have to work to the limits of the device's capabilities. 
:-)

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Re: Printing

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

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> On Sep 5, 2019, at 8:57 AM, Eric Weir  wrote:
> 
> What determines the size of the image I get with my camera, i.e., my phone? 
> Is it always the same? Is iso a factor?

The number of pixels in a full frame capture will always be the same. 

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Re: Printing

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

> On Sep 5, 2019, at 8:08 AM, Eric Weir  wrote:
> 
> The camera was my phone, an iPhone 6s. The 72 dpi/ppi result was with iso at 
> 25. Is what I should expect? Will I ever be able to get good large prints 
> with this camera?

An iPhone 6s image at ISO 25, presuming a good exposure with the camera held 
steadily enough, can net a beautiful print to the limits of the number of 
pixels. 

For instance, this is made with an iPhone 8 Plus (similar number of pixels) and 
prints to a beautiful 13x13 inch print, or maybe larger: 

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48625474017_8258d4fa1d_c.jpg

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Re: Printing

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On Sep 5, 2019, at 8:08 AM, Eric Weir  wrote:
> 
> So now two questions: (1) My image is 72 dpi/ppi, far short of 240 dpi/ppi. 
> What can I do with that, i.e., what’s the largest print I could get? (2) The 
> camera was my phone, an iPhone 6s. The 72 dpi/ppi result was with iso at 25. 
> Is what I should expect? Will I ever be able to get good large prints with 
> this camera?

Where are you obtaining the 72 ppi number from? Probably the display you're 
looking at. :-)

When it comes to printing and sizing an image, the number of pixels is 
everything. If you want to find out how large an image area can be printed at a 
reasonable quality, divide the horizontal and vertical dimensions by 240 to 
give a dimension in inches. 

For instance, say you have a 2400 x 4800 pixel image. Divide by 240 nets a 10 x 
20 inch print. :-)

Ja? 

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Re: Printing

[Eric Weir]

> On Sep 5, 2019, at 11:50 AM, John  wrote:
> 
> On 9/5/2019 11:08:33, Eric Weir wrote:
>> 
>> So now two questions: (1) My image is 72 dpi/ppi, far short of 240 dpi/ppi.
>> What can I do with that, i.e., what’s the largest print I could get? (2) The
>> camera was my phone, an iPhone 6s. The 72 dpi/ppi result was with iso at 25.
>> Is what I should expect? Will I ever be able to get good large prints with
>> this camera?
> 
> No, your image is 4032 x 2268 pixels.
> 
> 72 dpi is the display resolution. Has nothing to do with printing.
> 
> Printed at 240 ppi, 4032 x 2268 pixels will give a print 16.8" x 9.45".
> 
> A good "printer" (i.e. service bureau like Bay Photo) can probably work with 
> 200 ppi to give you a print up to 20.16" x 11.34" which could be cropped to 
> the 20x10 print you wanted.
> 
> ... although the guy in the back actually doing the printing is probably 
> going to call you bad names. They much prefer at least 300 ppi.
> 
> But, when I was running the mini-lab I could get an "acceptable" result with 
> as little as 150 ppi (C-type on Kodak Endura glossy paper).

OK, now I understand. (I think.) One last question. (I hope.) What determines 
the size of the image I get with my camera, i.e., my phone? Is it always the 
same? Is iso a factor?

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Re: Printing

[Eric Weir]

> On Sep 4, 2019, at 10:32 PM, John  wrote:
> 
> Generally, "72 dpi" is screen resolution. You don't want to print at "72 dpi" 
> because it will look like crap.
> 
> At the 240ppi Godfrey mentioned 4032 x 2268 pixels gives you 16.8 x 9.45 
> inches.
> 
> To get a 20" wide print, 4032 pixels is going to give you around "201 ppi", 
> suggesting a crop to 2016 pixels high (for a 10 x 20 print).
> 
> A good "printer" should be able to give you an adequate 10x20 C-Type print if 
> the JPEG quality is high enough (2.5MB file size suggests it might be just 
> barely), although you're going to have to crop it to get that aspect ratio.

Thanks, John. I’m confused. Not that you’re confusing, just that the limits of 
my knowledge are again being tested. So the 72 dpi figure has nothing to do 
with the size of print that can be obtained? The latter is a function of the 
available pixels and the dimensions of the print? 

In your third paragraph I don’t understand “suggesting a crop to 2016 pixels 
high (for a 10 x 20 print).” I can increase the ppi for a given dimension of 
print, e.g., 10 x 20, by cropping the image? My assumption would be that the 
only way to increase the ppi would be to reduce the size of the print.

Your last paragraph: You think I can get a decent 10 x 20 print from the image 
I described?

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Re: Printing

[John]

On 9/5/2019 11:08:33, Eric Weir wrote:



On Sep 4, 2019, at 5:52 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi 
wrote:

Can’t give you much advice on print services since I always do my own
prints. But be aware that that pixel count on the long edge nets a max
print area length of about 17” @ 240ppi which is as low as I’d want to go
for best detail on a landscape shot like that.


I have never printed a single photo. I'd like to give it a try. With this
image, just as a test:
<https://www.flickr.com/photos/eeweir/48678438307/in/dateposted-public/lightbox/>
It’s 2.5 MB, 4032 x 2268 pixels


So now two questions: (1) My image is 72 dpi/ppi, far short of 240 dpi/ppi.
What can I do with that, i.e., what’s the largest print I could get? (2) The
camera was my phone, an iPhone 6s. The 72 dpi/ppi result was with iso at 25.
Is what I should expect? Will I ever be able to get good large prints with
this camera?



No, your image is 4032 x 2268 pixels.

72 dpi is the display resolution. Has nothing to do with printing.

Printed at 240 ppi, 4032 x 2268 pixels will give a print 16.8" x 9.45".

A good "printer" (i.e. service bureau like Bay Photo) can probably work with 200 
ppi to give you a print up to 20.16" x 11.34" which could be cropped to the 
20x10 print you wanted.


... although the guy in the back actually doing the printing is probably going 
to call you bad names. They much prefer at least 300 ppi.


But, when I was running the mini-lab I could get an "acceptable" result with as 
little as 150 ppi (C-type on Kodak Endura glossy paper).


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Re: Printing

[Eric Weir]

> On Sep 5, 2019, at 1:09 AM, l...@red4est.com wrote:
> 
> Check prices, there may not be any reason other than convenience to use 
> Flickr rather than Bay directly.  Download the bay roes software and process 
> your photos specifically for printing. 

Thanks again, Larry. I did a superficial check of Bay. It seemed a little more 
complicated than going through Flickr. But as I say, based on a superficial 
comparison.

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Re: Printing

[John]

When I was running the mini-lab, about the lowest I could go & still give the 
customer an acceptable print was 150 ppi/dpi.


And the customer's just didn't want to hear it.

"But it looks great on my phone/camera/fakebook/AOL ... Why can't you print it 
so it looks like that?"


On 9/4/2019 22:39:07, Doug Franklin wrote:
I haven't posted to the group in several years, but I've been following.  On 
this topic, maybe I have some information to offer.  I recently had reason to 
try the "Fracture" service that most of you (in North America, at least) have 
probably already seen advertised (https://fractureme.com).  I had reason 
recently to try them out. Unfortunately, the original I had to work with was 
less than optimal. The best I could do after cropping was about 6" x 8" at 100 
dpi.  I must say that I was impressed with what they were able to do with that.  
I'm not sure I could've done better with a local high quality photo printer on 
paper.  I'm looking forward to trying them again with a better (higher 
resolution) original.  I will admit that ICC profiles weren't an issue for that 
print (I didn't have them), but (a) the result was as color correct as I 
could've asked, lacking the profile and (b) it will be something I'm looking 
hard at on the next one.  But there will definitely be more.  From my limited 
test, 9/10, would buy again.


On 2019-09-04 16:40, Ken Waller wrote:

Eric, as I’ve posted here before, I’ve had very good results with Bay Photo.
They’ve done everything from 4 X 6 inch up to 2 X 3 feet prints on paper, 
canvas and metal for me and I have nothing but good things to say about them.
They will offer discounts (usually 20% off) from time to time when you get on 
their mail list. You use their software to upload your file and pick the 
numerous options available.


-Original Message-

From: Eric Weir 
Subject: Printing


I have never printed a single photo. I'd like to give it a try. With this 
image, just as a test: 
<https://www.flickr.com/photos/eeweir/48678438307/in/dateposted-public/lightbox/> 
It’s 2.5 MB, 4032 x 2268 pixels


I’ve checked out printing services via this review: 
<https://www.pcmag.com/roundup/353850/the-best-photo-printing-services> 
AdoramaPix and Nations Photo Lab appealed. But I see printing is now 
available via Flickr. Thought I’d give it a try.


Wondering about a 10 x 20 or 12 x 24 paper print, lustre finish. With an 
image this size, what do you think?


Also interested in comparison of Flickr to other printing services, e.g., 
AdoramaPix, Nations Photo Lab, or other.


Thanks,
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Re: Printing

[Eric Weir]

> On Sep 4, 2019, at 5:52 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:
> 
> Can’t give you much advice on print services since I always do my own prints. 
> But be aware that that pixel count on the long edge nets a max print area 
> length of about 17” @ 240ppi which is as low as I’d want to go for best 
> detail on a landscape shot like that.
> 
>> I have never printed a single photo. I'd like to give it a try. With this 
>> image, just as a test: 
>> 
>>  It’s 2.5 MB, 4032 x 2268 pixels

So now two questions: (1) My image is 72 dpi/ppi, far short of 240 dpi/ppi. 
What can I do with that, i.e., what’s the largest print I could get? (2) The 
camera was my phone, an iPhone 6s. The 72 dpi/ppi result was with iso at 25. Is 
what I should expect? Will I ever be able to get good large prints with this 
camera?

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Re: Printing

[Eric Weir]

> On Sep 4, 2019, at 10:39 PM, Doug Franklin  wrote:
> 
> I haven't posted to the group in several years, but I've been following.  On 
> this topic, maybe I have some information to offer.  I recently had reason to 
> try the "Fracture" service that most of you (in North America, at least) have 
> probably already seen advertised (https://fractureme.com).  I had reason 
> recently to try them out. Unfortunately, the original I had to work with was 
> less than optimal. The best I could do after cropping was about 6" x 8" at 
> 100 dpi.  I must say that I was impressed with what they were able to do with 
> that.  I'm not sure I could've done better with a local high quality photo 
> printer on paper.  I'm looking forward to trying them again with a better 
> (higher resolution) original.  I will admit that ICC profiles weren't an 
> issue for that print (I didn't have them), but (a) the result was as color 
> correct as I could've asked, lacking the profile and (b) it will be something 
> I'm looking hard at on the next one.  But there will definitely be more.  
> From my limited test, 9/10, would buy again.

Thanks, Doug. I checked it out. Seems they print only on glass and 
significantly costlier than other options. Or am I mistaken.

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Re: Printing

[lrc]

Check prices, there may not be any reason other than convenience to use Flickr 
rather than Bay directly.  Download the bay roes software and process your 
photos specifically for printing. 


On September 4, 2019 4:11:06 PM PDT, Eric Weir  wrote:
>
>> On Sep 4, 2019, at 1:54 PM, l...@red4est.com wrote:
>> 
>> Flickr uses Bay as one of them and Bay is very good.  I have
>traditionally gotten my prints done at Costco.
>
>Thanks to Larry and Ken for comments/suggestions regarding printing
>services. If Flickr uses Bay I think I’ll give them a try.
>
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Re: Printing

[Doug Franklin]

I haven't posted to the group in several years, but I've been following. 
 On this topic, maybe I have some information to offer.  I recently had 
reason to try the "Fracture" service that most of you (in North America, 
at least) have probably already seen advertised 
(https://fractureme.com).  I had reason recently to try them out. 
Unfortunately, the original I had to work with was less than optimal. 
The best I could do after cropping was about 6" x 8" at 100 dpi.  I must 
say that I was impressed with what they were able to do with that.  I'm 
not sure I could've done better with a local high quality photo printer 
on paper.  I'm looking forward to trying them again with a better 
(higher resolution) original.  I will admit that ICC profiles weren't an 
issue for that print (I didn't have them), but (a) the result was as 
color correct as I could've asked, lacking the profile and (b) it will 
be something I'm looking hard at on the next one.  But there will 
definitely be more.  From my limited test, 9/10, would buy again.


On 2019-09-04 16:40, Ken Waller wrote:

Eric, as I’ve posted here before, I’ve had very good results with Bay Photo.
They’ve done everything from 4 X 6 inch up to 2 X 3 feet prints on paper, 
canvas and metal for me and I have nothing but good things to say about them.
They will offer discounts (usually 20% off) from time to time when you get on 
their mail list. You use their software to upload your file and pick the 
numerous options available.

-Original Message-

From: Eric Weir 
Subject: Printing


I have never printed a single photo. I'd like to give it a try. With this image, just 
as a test: 
<https://www.flickr.com/photos/eeweir/48678438307/in/dateposted-public/lightbox/>
 It’s 2.5 MB, 4032 x 2268 pixels

I’ve checked out printing services via this review: 
<https://www.pcmag.com/roundup/353850/the-best-photo-printing-services> 
AdoramaPix and Nations Photo Lab appealed. But I see printing is now available via 
Flickr. Thought I’d give it a try.

Wondering about a 10 x 20 or 12 x 24 paper print, lustre finish. With an image 
this size, what do you think?

Also interested in comparison of Flickr to other printing services, e.g., 
AdoramaPix, Nations Photo Lab, or other.

Thanks,
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Decatur, GA  USA
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Re: Printing

[John]

Generally, "72 dpi" is screen resolution. You don't want to print at "72 dpi" 
because it will look like crap.


At the 240ppi Godfrey mentioned 4032 x 2268 pixels gives you 16.8 x 9.45 inches.

To get a 20" wide print, 4032 pixels is going to give you around "201 ppi", 
suggesting a crop to 2016 pixels high (for a 10 x 20 print).


A good "printer" should be able to give you an adequate 10x20 C-Type print if 
the JPEG quality is high enough (2.5MB file size suggests it might be just 
barely), although you're going to have to crop it to get that aspect ratio.



On 9/4/2019 19:35:21, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:




On Sep 4, 2019, at 4:20 PM, Eric Weir  wrote:

Thanks, Godfrey. Guess I’ll adjust the size of the test print downward.

WIAI, I take it “ppi" is "pixels per inch.” Data on this image as displayed
in Dropbox indicates 72 “dots per inch.” is that the same as "pixels per
inch”?


Yes.. in this context, ppi and dpi mean the same thing.  It’s a long running
confusion.



This image was shot with an iPhone 6s using the default camera app, which
saves JPG files. If I we shooting RAW with the same camera would I be able
to do larger prints?


Raw files would net more editability but no more pixels, so no.

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Re: Printing

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

> On Sep 4, 2019, at 4:20 PM, Eric Weir  wrote:
> 
> Thanks, Godfrey. Guess I’ll adjust the size of the test print downward.
> 
> WIAI, I take it “ppi" is "pixels per inch.” Data on this image as displayed 
> in Dropbox indicates 72 “dots per inch.” is that the same as "pixels per 
> inch”?

Yes.. in this context, ppi and dpi mean the same thing.  It’s a long running 
confusion. 

> 
> This image was shot with an iPhone 6s using the default camera app, which 
> saves JPG files. If I we shooting RAW with the same camera would I be able to 
> do larger prints?

Raw files would net more editability but no more pixels, so no. 

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Re: Printing

[Eric Weir]

> On Sep 4, 2019, at 5:52 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:
> 
> Can’t give you much advice on print services since I always do my own prints. 
> But be aware that that pixel count on the long edge nets a max print area 
> length of about 17” @ 240ppi which is as low as I’d want to go for best 
> detail on a landscape shot like that. 

Thanks, Godfrey. Guess I’ll adjust the size of the test print downward.

WIAI, I take it “ppi" is "pixels per inch.” Data on this image as displayed in 
Dropbox indicates 72 “dots per inch.” is that the same as "pixels per inch”?

This image was shot with an iPhone 6s using the default camera app, which saves 
JPG files. If I we shooting RAW with the same camera would I be able to do 
larger prints?

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Re: Printing

[Eric Weir]

> On Sep 4, 2019, at 1:54 PM, l...@red4est.com wrote:
> 
> Flickr uses Bay as one of them and Bay is very good.  I have traditionally 
> gotten my prints done at Costco.

Thanks to Larry and Ken for comments/suggestions regarding printing services. 
If Flickr uses Bay I think I’ll give them a try.

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Re: Printing

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

Can’t give you much advice on print services since I always do my own prints. 
But be aware that that pixel count on the long edge nets a max print area 
length of about 17” @ 240ppi which is as low as I’d want to go for best detail 
on a landscape shot like that. 

G

> 
> I have never printed a single photo. I'd like to give it a try. With this 
> image, just as a test: 
> 
>  It’s 2.5 MB, 4032 x 2268 pixels


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Re: Printing

[Ken Waller]

Eric, as I’ve posted here before, I’ve had very good results with Bay Photo.
They’ve done everything from 4 X 6 inch up to 2 X 3 feet prints on paper, 
canvas and metal for me and I have nothing but good things to say about them. 
They will offer discounts (usually 20% off) from time to time when you get on 
their mail list. You use their software to upload your file and pick the 
numerous options available.

-Original Message-
>From: Eric Weir 
>Subject: Printing
>
>
>I have never printed a single photo. I'd like to give it a try. With this 
>image, just as a test: 
><https://www.flickr.com/photos/eeweir/48678438307/in/dateposted-public/lightbox/>
> It’s 2.5 MB, 4032 x 2268 pixels
>
>I’ve checked out printing services via this review: 
><https://www.pcmag.com/roundup/353850/the-best-photo-printing-services> 
>AdoramaPix and Nations Photo Lab appealed. But I see printing is now available 
>via Flickr. Thought I’d give it a try. 
>
>Wondering about a 10 x 20 or 12 x 24 paper print, lustre finish. With an image 
>this size, what do you think?
>
>Also interested in comparison of Flickr to other printing services, e.g., 
>AdoramaPix, Nations Photo Lab, or other.  
>
>Thanks,
>--
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>Decatur, GA  USA
>eew...@bellsouth.net 
>
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Re: Printing

[Paul Stenquist]

Costco. Damn autocorrect.

Paul

> On Sep 4, 2019, at 2:34 PM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:
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> Cost is good if you embed the icc profile for your store
> 
> Paul
> 
>> On Sep 4, 2019, at 1:54 PM, l...@red4est.com wrote:
>> 
>> Flickr uses Bay as one of them and Bay is very good.  I have traditionally 
>> gotten my prints done at Costco.
>> 
>>> On September 4, 2019 10:48:48 AM PDT, Eric Weir  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I have never printed a single photo. I'd like to give it a try. With
>>> this image, just as a test:
>>> <https://www.flickr.com/photos/eeweir/48678438307/in/dateposted-public/lightbox/>
>>> It’s 2.5 MB, 4032 x 2268 pixels
>>> 
>>> I’ve checked out printing services via this review:
>>> <https://www.pcmag.com/roundup/353850/the-best-photo-printing-services>
>>> AdoramaPix and Nations Photo Lab appealed. But I see printing is now
>>> available via Flickr. Thought I’d give it a try. 
>>> 
>>> Wondering about a 10 x 20 or 12 x 24 paper print, lustre finish. With
>>> an image this size, what do you think?
>>> 
>>> Also interested in comparison of Flickr to other printing services,
>>> e.g., AdoramaPix, Nations Photo Lab, or other.  
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> --
>>> Eric Weir
>>> Decatur, GA  USA
>>> eew...@bellsouth.net 
>>> 
>>> "(I)t is important that awake people be awake... the darkness around us
>>> is deep."
>>> 
>>> - William Stafford
>>> 
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Re: Printing

[Paul Stenquist]

Cost is good if you embed the icc profile for your store

Paul

> On Sep 4, 2019, at 1:54 PM, l...@red4est.com wrote:
> 
> Flickr uses Bay as one of them and Bay is very good.  I have traditionally 
> gotten my prints done at Costco.
> 
>> On September 4, 2019 10:48:48 AM PDT, Eric Weir  wrote:
>> 
>> I have never printed a single photo. I'd like to give it a try. With
>> this image, just as a test:
>> <https://www.flickr.com/photos/eeweir/48678438307/in/dateposted-public/lightbox/>
>> It’s 2.5 MB, 4032 x 2268 pixels
>> 
>> I’ve checked out printing services via this review:
>> <https://www.pcmag.com/roundup/353850/the-best-photo-printing-services>
>> AdoramaPix and Nations Photo Lab appealed. But I see printing is now
>> available via Flickr. Thought I’d give it a try. 
>> 
>> Wondering about a 10 x 20 or 12 x 24 paper print, lustre finish. With
>> an image this size, what do you think?
>> 
>> Also interested in comparison of Flickr to other printing services,
>> e.g., AdoramaPix, Nations Photo Lab, or other.  
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> --
>> Eric Weir
>> Decatur, GA  USA
>> eew...@bellsouth.net 
>> 
>> "(I)t is important that awake people be awake... the darkness around us
>> is deep."
>> 
>> - William Stafford
>> 
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Re: Printing

[lrc]

Flickr uses Bay as one of them and Bay is very good.  I have traditionally 
gotten my prints done at Costco.

On September 4, 2019 10:48:48 AM PDT, Eric Weir  wrote:
>
>I have never printed a single photo. I'd like to give it a try. With
>this image, just as a test:
><https://www.flickr.com/photos/eeweir/48678438307/in/dateposted-public/lightbox/>
>It’s 2.5 MB, 4032 x 2268 pixels
>
>I’ve checked out printing services via this review:
><https://www.pcmag.com/roundup/353850/the-best-photo-printing-services>
>AdoramaPix and Nations Photo Lab appealed. But I see printing is now
>available via Flickr. Thought I’d give it a try. 
>
>Wondering about a 10 x 20 or 12 x 24 paper print, lustre finish. With
>an image this size, what do you think?
>
>Also interested in comparison of Flickr to other printing services,
>e.g., AdoramaPix, Nations Photo Lab, or other.  
>
>Thanks,
>--
>Eric Weir
>Decatur, GA  USA
>eew...@bellsouth.net 
>
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>is deep."
>
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Printing

[Eric Weir]

I have never printed a single photo. I'd like to give it a try. With this 
image, just as a test: 
<https://www.flickr.com/photos/eeweir/48678438307/in/dateposted-public/lightbox/>
 It’s 2.5 MB, 4032 x 2268 pixels

I’ve checked out printing services via this review: 
<https://www.pcmag.com/roundup/353850/the-best-photo-printing-services> 
AdoramaPix and Nations Photo Lab appealed. But I see printing is now available 
via Flickr. Thought I’d give it a try. 

Wondering about a 10 x 20 or 12 x 24 paper print, lustre finish. With an image 
this size, what do you think?

Also interested in comparison of Flickr to other printing services, e.g., 
AdoramaPix, Nations Photo Lab, or other.  

Thanks,
--
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Decatur, GA  USA
eew...@bellsouth.net 

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deep."

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Re: Free eBook (reg. 19.95) on Fine Art Printing

[mike wilson]

BTDT.  I get a link, click on it and a new, pdf, tab opens.  It spends a few 
minutes telling me that stuff is downloading but nothing appears on my activity 
monitor.  Then the little spinning wheel stops.  Nothing appears on the screen. 
 Maybe it's a copyright issue, maybe it's to do with the capacity of the 
server.  I'll keep trying.


> On 01 August 2019 at 18:56 Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:
> 
> 
> The retrieval link showed up in my inbox within a minute or two. Did you try 
> going back to the page and sending a second request?
> 
> G
> 
> 
> > On Aug 1, 2019, at 10:48 AM, Darren Addy  wrote:
> > 
> > Don't know if this is working for anybody else, but I'm not receiving the
> > download or a link to the download (whatever I'm supposed to get, I'm not
> > getting).
> > I've alerted X-rite through Twitter.
> > 
> >> On Wed, Jul 31, 2019 at 11:58 AM Darren Addy  wrote:
> >> 
> >> Courtesy of X-Rite and Moab:
> >> 
> >> Lester Picker’s comprehensive guide
> >> 
> >> What You'll Find Inside:
> >> 
> >> * Using Lightroom
> >> *   The Develop Module
> >> *   Color Management
> >> *   Soft Proofing
> >> *   The Print Module
> >> *   A Printing Checklist
> >> *   Case Studies
> >> *   The Ins and Outs of Printers
> >> *   Choosing Fine Art Papers
> >> *   Print Display Options
> >> *   Lighting Your Artwork
> >> *   Framing: Doing It Yourself
> >> …plus tons of tips, suggestions and techniques that will improve your fine
> >> art printing.
> >> 
> >> https://fineartprintebook.com/

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Re: Free eBook (reg. 19.95) on Fine Art Printing

[Alan C]

Worked fine in a few minutes for me.

Alan C

On 01-Aug-19 07:48 PM, Darren Addy wrote:

Don't know if this is working for anybody else, but I'm not receiving the
download or a link to the download (whatever I'm supposed to get, I'm not
getting).
I've alerted X-rite through Twitter.

On Wed, Jul 31, 2019 at 11:58 AM Darren Addy  wrote:


Courtesy of X-Rite and Moab:

Lester Picker’s comprehensive guide

What You'll Find Inside:

* Using Lightroom
*   The Develop Module
*   Color Management
*   Soft Proofing
*   The Print Module
*   A Printing Checklist
*   Case Studies
*   The Ins and Outs of Printers
*   Choosing Fine Art Papers
*   Print Display Options
*   Lighting Your Artwork
*   Framing: Doing It Yourself
…plus tons of tips, suggestions and techniques that will improve your fine
art printing.

https://fineartprintebook.com/

Cheers!

Darren Addy
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Re: Free eBook (reg. 19.95) on Fine Art Printing

[Ralf R Radermacher]

Am 01.08.19 um 19:48 schrieb Darren Addy:

Don't know if this is working for anybody else, but I'm not receiving the
download or a link to the download (whatever I'm supposed to get, I'm not
getting).


I've had the same happening to me, last night. Tried agin, still nothing.

This morning, there were two messages with download links in my inbox.
Not to worry, though. :-)

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Re: Free eBook (reg. 19.95) on Fine Art Printing

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

The retrieval link showed up in my inbox within a minute or two. Did you try 
going back to the page and sending a second request?

G


> On Aug 1, 2019, at 10:48 AM, Darren Addy  wrote:
> 
> Don't know if this is working for anybody else, but I'm not receiving the
> download or a link to the download (whatever I'm supposed to get, I'm not
> getting).
> I've alerted X-rite through Twitter.
> 
>> On Wed, Jul 31, 2019 at 11:58 AM Darren Addy  wrote:
>> 
>> Courtesy of X-Rite and Moab:
>> 
>> Lester Picker’s comprehensive guide
>> 
>> What You'll Find Inside:
>> 
>> * Using Lightroom
>> *   The Develop Module
>> *   Color Management
>> *   Soft Proofing
>> *   The Print Module
>> *   A Printing Checklist
>> *   Case Studies
>> *   The Ins and Outs of Printers
>> *   Choosing Fine Art Papers
>> *   Print Display Options
>> *   Lighting Your Artwork
>> *   Framing: Doing It Yourself
>> …plus tons of tips, suggestions and techniques that will improve your fine
>> art printing.
>> 
>> https://fineartprintebook.com/


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Re: Free eBook (reg. 19.95) on Fine Art Printing

[Darren Addy]

Don't know if this is working for anybody else, but I'm not receiving the
download or a link to the download (whatever I'm supposed to get, I'm not
getting).
I've alerted X-rite through Twitter.

On Wed, Jul 31, 2019 at 11:58 AM Darren Addy  wrote:

> Courtesy of X-Rite and Moab:
>
> Lester Picker’s comprehensive guide
>
> What You'll Find Inside:
>
> * Using Lightroom
> *   The Develop Module
> *   Color Management
> *   Soft Proofing
> *   The Print Module
> *   A Printing Checklist
> *   Case Studies
> *   The Ins and Outs of Printers
> *   Choosing Fine Art Papers
> *   Print Display Options
> *   Lighting Your Artwork
> *   Framing: Doing It Yourself
> …plus tons of tips, suggestions and techniques that will improve your fine
> art printing.
>
> https://fineartprintebook.com/
>
> Cheers!
>
> Darren Addy
> Kearney, Nebraska
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> ― Yann Arthus-Bertrand, Earth from Above
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Re: Free eBook (reg. 19.95) on Fine Art Printing

[Ralf R Radermacher]

Am 01.08.19 um 01:08 schrieb Paul Stenquist:

Happened fast for me. It went right to a new screen after I entered my email 
and clicked download.


Took a little longer at this end. On entering my email, there was a
message telling me to check my mail. After a good night's sleep, the
download link has finally arrived, so all is fine.

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Re: Free eBook (reg. 19.95) on Fine Art Printing

[Alan C]

Thanks, Darren. As you say

Alan C

On 31-Jul-19 06:58 PM, Darren Addy wrote:

Courtesy of X-Rite and Moab:

Lester Picker’s comprehensive guide

What You'll Find Inside:

* Using Lightroom
*   The Develop Module
*   Color Management
*   Soft Proofing
*   The Print Module
*   A Printing Checklist
*   Case Studies
*   The Ins and Outs of Printers
*   Choosing Fine Art Papers
*   Print Display Options
*   Lighting Your Artwork
*   Framing: Doing It Yourself
…plus tons of tips, suggestions and techniques that will improve your fine
art printing.

https://fineartprintebook.com/

Cheers!

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Re: Free eBook (reg. 19.95) on Fine Art Printing

[Paul Stenquist]

Happened fast for me. It went right to a new screen after I entered my email 
and clicked download. I did have to refresh the second screen once to get 
things moving.

Paul

> On Jul 31, 2019, at 6:03 PM, Ralf R Radermacher  wrote:
> 
>> Am 31.07.19 um 18:58 schrieb Darren Addy:
>> 
>> https://fineartprintebook.com/
> 
> Entered my email address hours ago. Still no reply, nothing in the trash
> either.
> 
> How long have you had to wait?
> 
> Ralf
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Re: Free eBook (reg. 19.95) on Fine Art Printing

[Ralf R Radermacher]

Am 31.07.19 um 18:58 schrieb Darren Addy:


https://fineartprintebook.com/


Entered my email address hours ago. Still no reply, nothing in the trash
either.

How long have you had to wait?

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Re: Free eBook (reg. 19.95) on Fine Art Printing

[Paul Sorenson]

Darren - you beat me to announcing this.  I took a quick rundown of the 
contents and there's some good information there.  Even though he takes 
you through the workflow using Lightroom, most of the process is 
transferable to other software.


-p

On 7/31/2019 11:58 AM, Darren Addy wrote:

Courtesy of X-Rite and Moab:

Lester Picker’s comprehensive guide

What You'll Find Inside:

* Using Lightroom
*   The Develop Module
*   Color Management
*   Soft Proofing
*   The Print Module
*   A Printing Checklist
*   Case Studies
*   The Ins and Outs of Printers
*   Choosing Fine Art Papers
*   Print Display Options
*   Lighting Your Artwork
*   Framing: Doing It Yourself
…plus tons of tips, suggestions and techniques that will improve your fine
art printing.

https://fineartprintebook.com/

Cheers!

Darren Addy
Kearney, Nebraska
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Free eBook (reg. 19.95) on Fine Art Printing

[Darren Addy]

Courtesy of X-Rite and Moab:

Lester Picker’s comprehensive guide

What You'll Find Inside:

* Using Lightroom
*   The Develop Module
*   Color Management
*   Soft Proofing
*   The Print Module
*   A Printing Checklist
*   Case Studies
*   The Ins and Outs of Printers
*   Choosing Fine Art Papers
*   Print Display Options
*   Lighting Your Artwork
*   Framing: Doing It Yourself
…plus tons of tips, suggestions and techniques that will improve your fine
art printing.

https://fineartprintebook.com/

Cheers!

Darren Addy
Kearney, Nebraska
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Re: Has anyone tried printing onto contact paper?

[Igor PDML-StR]

I don't have my own experience with that. For a while, I've been thinking 
about doing it with a special thermal-transfer paper - to transfer the 
image to the clothing.



But here is something about what I suspect, you Larry, are trying to do:
https://thegraphicsfairy.com/clear-contact-paper-transfers/
There are a few other sites that Google found for "inkjet 
contact paper".


Good luck, and please report back your results.

Igor



ann sanfedele Tue, 16 Oct 2018 10:03:01 -0700 wrote:

sounds like a dangerous proposition to me.. I 've printed on clear acetate 
and it can easily get messy.  I've printed on white wrapping paper though, 
and that worked.  Printing on butcher paper might also.. and you could 
just use glueor double faced tape.



ann


On 10/16/2018 3:15 AM, Larry Colen wrote:

When I was making signs this weekend I realized that it could be 
rather handy if I could just print onto contact paper, and then stick that 
onto whatever.



There could also be interesting effects from printing a photo onto 
clear contact paper and putting that onto a window or a mirror. Has anyone 
on the list tried something like that?


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Re: Has anyone tried printing onto contact paper?

[ann sanfedele]

sounds like a dangerous proposition to me.. I 've printed on clear 
acetate and it can easily get messy.  I've printed on white wrapping 
paper though,
and that worked.  Printing on butcher paper might also.. and you could 
just use glueor double faced tape.


ann

On 10/16/2018 3:15 AM, Larry Colen wrote:
When I was making signs this weekend I realized that it could be 
rather handy if I could just print onto contact paper, and then stick 
that onto whatever.


There could also be interesting effects from printing a photo onto 
clear contact paper and putting that onto a window or a mirror. Has 
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Re: Has anyone tried printing onto contact paper?

[Ralf R Radermacher]

Am 16.10.18 um 09:15 schrieb Larry Colen:
When I was making signs this weekend I realized that it could be rather 
handy if I could just print onto contact paper, and then stick that onto 
whatever.


Inherited a stash of Agfa Lupex in an earlier life and used it for 
conventional enlarger printing. Lupex was marketed as a contact paper 
because it was meant for contact prints.


So, yes, I've printed on contact paper but it seems that was an 
altogether different thing.


Am I getting old?

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Has anyone tried printing onto contact paper?

[Larry Colen]

When I was making signs this weekend I realized that it could be rather 
handy if I could just print onto contact paper, and then stick that onto 
whatever.


There could also be interesting effects from printing a photo onto clear 
contact paper and putting that onto a window or a mirror. Has anyone on 
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Re: Printing question

[Bob W-PDML]

On 5 May 2018, at 20:47, Larry Colen  wrote:
> 
> 
>> On May 5, 2018, at 12:11 PM, Mark C  wrote:
>> 
>> Relative colorimetirc maps out of gamut colors to the nearest in gamut color 
>> in the desintation color space. Perceptual maps out of gamut colors into the 
>> destination color space and also shifts other colors to preserve the 
>> relative differences between them. Relative Colorimetiric could result in 
>> blocked up colors or a loss of color separation,  but it preserves the 
>> accuracy of in gamut colors. With Perceptual Colorimetric colors retain 
>> their relation with each other and avoid getting blocked up, but there can a 
>> loss of color accuracy throughout the image.
>> 
>> A photo of vibrant flowers might look blocked up printed with relative 
>> colorimetric, but a photo of a person holding the flowers might have weird 
>> skin tones with perceptual.
>> 
>> In the tests I did I didn't see much difference between relative and 
>> perceptual with Epson K3 inks and glossy or luster paper. I saw slight 
>> differences with Epson enhanced matte paper and preferred perceptual. I 
>> assume the photo papers and PK inks have a broader gamut than the matte 
>> paper and MK ink.
>> 
> 
> If Mark selected his quotations based on usefulness rather than amusement 
> value, this post would be close to the top of the list.
> 

I thought it was hilarious.


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Re: Printing question

[Larry Colen]

> On May 5, 2018, at 12:11 PM, Mark C  wrote:
> 
> Relative colorimetirc maps out of gamut colors to the nearest in gamut color 
> in the desintation color space. Perceptual maps out of gamut colors into the 
> destination color space and also shifts other colors to preserve the relative 
> differences between them. Relative Colorimetiric could result in blocked up 
> colors or a loss of color separation,  but it preserves the accuracy of in 
> gamut colors. With Perceptual Colorimetric colors retain their relation with 
> each other and avoid getting blocked up, but there can a loss of color 
> accuracy throughout the image.
> 
> A photo of vibrant flowers might look blocked up printed with relative 
> colorimetric, but a photo of a person holding the flowers might have weird 
> skin tones with perceptual.
> 
> In the tests I did I didn't see much difference between relative and 
> perceptual with Epson K3 inks and glossy or luster paper. I saw slight 
> differences with Epson enhanced matte paper and preferred perceptual. I 
> assume the photo papers and PK inks have a broader gamut than the matte paper 
> and MK ink.
> 

If Mark selected his quotations based on usefulness rather than amusement 
value, this post would be close to the top of the list.

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Re: Printing question

[Paul Stenquist]

Thanks for the clear explanation, Mark! I tried printing the same file twice in 
Relative Colorimetric. Once with Black Point Compensation on and once with it 
off. Hard to see a difference, but with it turned on the print seemed to pick 
up a bit more contrast. I’m leaving it on for now.
Paul

> On May 5, 2018, at 3:11 PM, Mark C <pdml-m...@charter.net> wrote:
> 
> Relative colorimetirc maps out of gamut colors to the nearest in gamut color 
> in the desintation color space. Perceptual maps out of gamut colors into the 
> destination color space and also shifts other colors to preserve the relative 
> differences between them. Relative Colorimetiric could result in blocked up 
> colors or a loss of color separation,  but it preserves the accuracy of in 
> gamut colors. With Perceptual Colorimetric colors retain their relation with 
> each other and avoid getting blocked up, but there can a loss of color 
> accuracy throughout the image.
> 
> A photo of vibrant flowers might look blocked up printed with relative 
> colorimetric, but a photo of a person holding the flowers might have weird 
> skin tones with perceptual.
> 
> In the tests I did I didn't see much difference between relative and 
> perceptual with Epson K3 inks and glossy or luster paper. I saw slight 
> differences with Epson enhanced matte paper and preferred perceptual. I 
> assume the photo papers and PK inks have a broader gamut than the matte paper 
> and MK ink.
> 
> Mark
> 
> 
> 
> Paul Stenquist wrote:
>> I use Relative Colorimetric without black point compensation. Haven’t really 
>> thought about it for years. My prints are nice. I don’t know if they could 
>> be better. I print on Epson Premium Luster or Exhibition Fiber and use the 
>> ICC profiles. Perhaps I should experiment with other settings?
>> Paul
>> 
>>> On May 5, 2018, at 10:28 AM, Mark C <pdml-m...@charter.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Paul Sorenson wrote:
>>>> Kind of looking for a consensus...when printing using ICC profiles what is 
>>>> your preferred rendering intent?  Perceptual or relative colorimetric?  
>>>> Does your choice vary by paper surface?
>>>> 
>>>> -p
>>>> 
>>> I start with perceptual with black point compensation enabled. I don't 
>>> change the setting for different papers, but that's something a moot point 
>>> since I very rarely use anything but glossy or luster papers.
>>> 
>>> Mark
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Re: Printing question

[Mark C]

Relative colorimetirc maps out of gamut colors to the nearest in gamut 
color in the desintation color space. Perceptual maps out of gamut 
colors into the destination color space and also shifts other colors to 
preserve the relative differences between them. Relative Colorimetiric 
could result in blocked up colors or a loss of color separation,  but it 
preserves the accuracy of in gamut colors. With Perceptual Colorimetric 
colors retain their relation with each other and avoid getting blocked 
up, but there can a loss of color accuracy throughout the image.


A photo of vibrant flowers might look blocked up printed with relative 
colorimetric, but a photo of a person holding the flowers might have 
weird skin tones with perceptual.


In the tests I did I didn't see much difference between relative and 
perceptual with Epson K3 inks and glossy or luster paper. I saw slight 
differences with Epson enhanced matte paper and preferred perceptual. I 
assume the photo papers and PK inks have a broader gamut than the matte 
paper and MK ink.


Mark



Paul Stenquist wrote:

I use Relative Colorimetric without black point compensation. Haven’t really 
thought about it for years. My prints are nice. I don’t know if they could be 
better. I print on Epson Premium Luster or Exhibition Fiber and use the ICC 
profiles. Perhaps I should experiment with other settings?
Paul


On May 5, 2018, at 10:28 AM, Mark C <pdml-m...@charter.net> wrote:

Paul Sorenson wrote:

Kind of looking for a consensus...when printing using ICC profiles what is your 
preferred rendering intent?  Perceptual or relative colorimetric?  Does your 
choice vary by paper surface?

-p


I start with perceptual with black point compensation enabled. I don't change 
the setting for different papers, but that's something a moot point since I 
very rarely use anything but glossy or luster papers.

Mark

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Re: Printing question

[Paul Stenquist]

I use Relative Colorimetric without black point compensation. Haven’t really 
thought about it for years. My prints are nice. I don’t know if they could be 
better. I print on Epson Premium Luster or Exhibition Fiber and use the ICC 
profiles. Perhaps I should experiment with other settings?
Paul

> On May 5, 2018, at 10:28 AM, Mark C <pdml-m...@charter.net> wrote:
> 
> Paul Sorenson wrote:
>> Kind of looking for a consensus...when printing using ICC profiles what is 
>> your preferred rendering intent?  Perceptual or relative colorimetric?  Does 
>> your choice vary by paper surface?
>> 
>> -p
>> 
> I start with perceptual with black point compensation enabled. I don't change 
> the setting for different papers, but that's something a moot point since I 
> very rarely use anything but glossy or luster papers.
> 
> Mark
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Re: Printing question

[Mark C]

Paul Sorenson wrote:
Kind of looking for a consensus...when printing using ICC profiles 
what is your preferred rendering intent?  Perceptual or relative 
colorimetric?  Does your choice vary by paper surface?


-p

I start with perceptual with black point compensation enabled. I don't 
change the setting for different papers, but that's something a moot 
point since I very rarely use anything but glossy or luster papers.


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Printing question

[Paul Sorenson]

Kind of looking for a consensus...when printing using ICC profiles what 
is your preferred rendering intent?  Perceptual or relative 
colorimetric?  Does your choice vary by paper surface?


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Re: Printing on glass -- Fracture

[John]

You can still get Duratrans or Endura Transparancy prints. A 16x20 runs about 
$50 plus whatever back-light system you choose.

On 9/29/2017 10:34, P. J. Alling wrote:

I haven't read the claims in the posts you linked yet, but, this really puts me 
in mind of, is when we could print on clear Cibachrome materials.  You display 
these prints back lighted and a well done print, with the proper subject 
matter, was like looking at a giant color slide on a giant light table.  It's 
like looking at a 4x5 Kodachrome, except the image source was originally 35mm 
or medium format.  The quality could be amazing.

The reflection problem wasn't the reason for the material, and there are anti 
reflection glass options for framing which I think would be a better than 
actually printing on the back of the glass, for traditional display, and 
printing on the front of the glass won't protect the image.


On 9/28/2017 1:14 PM, Igor PDML-StR wrote:



I am surprised, but it is only today that I've come across this printing 
option: printing directly on glass by FractureME.com
(I am sure at least some other PDMLers have known this option for ages.)
So, I became curious about it.

There are some hyped-up articles about it that only look at the surface, not at 
any detail of this option, such as quality, etc.
But I found this blog with a balanced-sounding review of various aspects of the 
service and the product:
http://www.konraddwojak.com/blog/2014/4/fracture-glass-prints-review
It is 3-year old now, and the situation could be different now (better or 
worse), but it sheds light on what could be a problem.

In addition to that, - when I watched the video ad - right on the
first page of  https://fractureme.com/  (It's almost the same video that I saw 
this morning on TV), I noticed quite a few annoying reflections from
the glass. I am guessing that those were probably exacerbated by the lights 
used for shooting, but it got me thinking about this question:
If we compare these prints directly on the glass surface to a print mounted 
behind a glass, does the fact that the image is right on the glass surface 
improve the reflection problem, make it worse, or does not affect it much?

Yet another question I have is about the width of the color gamut and
color accuracy provided by this company.

If someone on this list has tried this type of prints, - I'd be curious to hear 
your impression.

Also, - have you seen or tried any other services doing the same type of 
printing?
(I googled and found a few, e.g. 
http://www.grayglass.net/glass.cfm/Architectural/Digital-Printing/catid/1/conid/221
http://photography.com/product-glass.html )

Thank you,

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Re: Printing on glass -- Fracture

[Daniel J. Matyola]

in the case of my painting on glass, the painting was done on the back side
of the glass.


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On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 2:12 PM, Igor PDML-StR  wrote:

>
> John,
>
> If I understood you correctly, you are assuming the photo is printed on
> the front surface of the glass. My understanding is that it is printed on
> the back surface of the glass. So, in principle, you have the same number
> of surfaces to reflect from, as in case of a photo behind the glass.
>
> (The glass is providing important protection from UV, which reduces fading
> of colors. I suspect, it is the same in case of the dyes on glass.)
>
> Cheers,
>
> Igor
>
>
>  John Francis Thu, 28 Sep 2017 10:53:25 -0700 wrote:
>
> On Thu, Sep 28, 2017 at 01:14:34PM -0400, Igor PDML-StR wrote:
>
>>
>> If we compare these prints directly on the glass surface to a print
>> mounted
>> behind a glass, does the fact that the image is right on the glass surface
>> improve the reflection problem, make it worse, or does not affect it much?
>>
>
>
> It will almost certainly improve the reflection problem.
>
> The glass isn't put in front of prints to enhance the appearance of the
> print; it's put there to protect the surface of the print from scratches,
> etc., and to provide a surface that's easier to clean.
>
> Eliminating the extra reflections from the glass before the illumination
> has even got to the surface of the print has to be an improvement.
>
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Re: Printing on glass -- Fracture

[John Francis]

On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 02:12:41PM -0400, Igor PDML-StR wrote:
> 
> John,
> 
> If I understood you correctly, you are assuming the photo is printed on the
> front surface of the glass. My understanding is that it is printed on the
> back surface of the glass. So, in principle, you have the same number of
> surfaces to reflect from, as in case of a photo behind the glass.

While you may have the same number of glass surfaces on a rear-printed image,
they are different.  The reflections from a glass-air boundary are likely
to be significantly stronger than reflections from a glass-ink boundary.

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Re: Printing on glass -- Fracture

[Igor PDML-StR]

John,

If I understood you correctly, you are assuming the photo is printed on 
the front surface of the glass. My understanding is that it is printed on 
the back surface of the glass. So, in principle, you have the same number 
of surfaces to reflect from, as in case of a photo behind the glass.


(The glass is providing important protection from UV, which reduces fading 
of colors. I suspect, it is the same in case of the dyes on glass.)


Cheers,

Igor


 John Francis Thu, 28 Sep 2017 10:53:25 -0700 wrote:

On Thu, Sep 28, 2017 at 01:14:34PM -0400, Igor PDML-StR wrote:


If we compare these prints directly on the glass surface to a print mounted
behind a glass, does the fact that the image is right on the glass surface
improve the reflection problem, make it worse, or does not affect it much?



It will almost certainly improve the reflection problem.

The glass isn't put in front of prints to enhance the appearance of the 
print; it's put there to protect the surface of the print from scratches, 
etc., and to provide a surface that's easier to clean.


Eliminating the extra reflections from the glass before the illumination 
has even got to the surface of the print has to be an improvement.



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Re: Printing on glass -- Fracture

[Daniel J. Matyola]

I have never had a photo printed on glass, but someone did a painting of my
airplane on glass, and it was a very effective presentation.

Dan

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On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 10:34 AM, P. J. Alling <webstertwenty...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> I haven't read the claims in the posts you linked yet, but, this really
> puts me in mind of, is when we could print on clear Cibachrome materials.
> You display these prints back lighted and a well done print, with the
> proper subject matter, was like looking at a giant color slide on a giant
> light table.  It's like looking at a 4x5 Kodachrome, except the image
> source was originally 35mm or medium format.  The quality could be amazing.
>
> The reflection problem wasn't the reason for the material, and there are
> anti reflection glass options for framing which I think would be a better
> than actually printing on the back of the glass, for traditional display,
> and printing on the front of the glass won't protect the image.
>
>
> On 9/28/2017 1:14 PM, Igor PDML-StR wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> I am surprised, but it is only today that I've come across this printing
>> option: printing directly on glass by FractureME.com
>> (I am sure at least some other PDMLers have known this option for ages.)
>> So, I became curious about it.
>>
>> There are some hyped-up articles about it that only look at the surface,
>> not at any detail of this option, such as quality, etc.
>> But I found this blog with a balanced-sounding review of various aspects
>> of the service and the product:
>> http://www.konraddwojak.com/blog/2014/4/fracture-glass-prints-review
>> It is 3-year old now, and the situation could be different now (better or
>> worse), but it sheds light on what could be a problem.
>>
>> In addition to that, - when I watched the video ad - right on the
>> first page of  https://fractureme.com/  (It's almost the same video that
>> I saw this morning on TV), I noticed quite a few annoying reflections from
>> the glass. I am guessing that those were probably exacerbated by the
>> lights used for shooting, but it got me thinking about this question:
>> If we compare these prints directly on the glass surface to a print
>> mounted behind a glass, does the fact that the image is right on the glass
>> surface improve the reflection problem, make it worse, or does not affect
>> it much?
>>
>> Yet another question I have is about the width of the color gamut and
>> color accuracy provided by this company.
>>
>> If someone on this list has tried this type of prints, - I'd be curious
>> to hear your impression.
>>
>> Also, - have you seen or tried any other services doing the same type of
>> printing?
>> (I googled and found a few, e.g. http://www.grayglass.net/glass
>> .cfm/Architectural/Digital-Printing/catid/1/conid/221
>> http://photography.com/product-glass.html )
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>> Igor
>>
>>
>>
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Re: Printing on glass -- Fracture

[P. J. Alling]

I haven't read the claims in the posts you linked yet, but, this really 
puts me in mind of, is when we could print on clear Cibachrome 
materials.  You display these prints back lighted and a well done print, 
with the proper subject matter, was like looking at a giant color slide 
on a giant light table.  It's like looking at a 4x5 Kodachrome, except 
the image source was originally 35mm or medium format.  The quality 
could be amazing.


The reflection problem wasn't the reason for the material, and there are 
anti reflection glass options for framing which I think would be a 
better than actually printing on the back of the glass, for traditional 
display, and printing on the front of the glass won't protect the image.



On 9/28/2017 1:14 PM, Igor PDML-StR wrote:



I am surprised, but it is only today that I've come across this 
printing option: printing directly on glass by FractureME.com

(I am sure at least some other PDMLers have known this option for ages.)
So, I became curious about it.

There are some hyped-up articles about it that only look at the 
surface, not at any detail of this option, such as quality, etc.
But I found this blog with a balanced-sounding review of various 
aspects of the service and the product:

http://www.konraddwojak.com/blog/2014/4/fracture-glass-prints-review
It is 3-year old now, and the situation could be different now (better 
or worse), but it sheds light on what could be a problem.


In addition to that, - when I watched the video ad - right on the
first page of  https://fractureme.com/  (It's almost the same video 
that I saw this morning on TV), I noticed quite a few annoying 
reflections from
the glass. I am guessing that those were probably exacerbated by the 
lights used for shooting, but it got me thinking about this question:
If we compare these prints directly on the glass surface to a print 
mounted behind a glass, does the fact that the image is right on the 
glass surface improve the reflection problem, make it worse, or does 
not affect it much?


Yet another question I have is about the width of the color gamut and
color accuracy provided by this company.

If someone on this list has tried this type of prints, - I'd be 
curious to hear your impression.


Also, - have you seen or tried any other services doing the same type 
of printing?
(I googled and found a few, e.g. 
http://www.grayglass.net/glass.cfm/Architectural/Digital-Printing/catid/1/conid/221

http://photography.com/product-glass.html )

Thank you,

Igor




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Re: Printing on glass -- Fracture

[John Francis]

On Thu, Sep 28, 2017 at 01:14:34PM -0400, Igor PDML-StR wrote:
> 
> If we compare these prints directly on the glass surface to a print mounted
> behind a glass, does the fact that the image is right on the glass surface
> improve the reflection problem, make it worse, or does not affect it much?

It will almost certainly improve the reflection problem.

The glass isn't put in front of prints to enhance the appearance of the print;
it's put there to protect the surface of the print from scratches, etc., and
to provide a surface that's easier to clean.

Eliminating the extra reflections from the glass before the illumination has
even got to the surface of the print has to be an improvement.


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Printing on glass -- Fracture

[Igor PDML-StR]

I am surprised, but it is only today that I've come across this printing 
option: printing directly on glass by FractureME.com

(I am sure at least some other PDMLers have known this option for ages.)
So, I became curious about it.

There are some hyped-up articles about it that only look at the surface, 
not at any detail of this option, such as quality, etc.
But I found this blog with a balanced-sounding review of various aspects 
of the service and the product:

http://www.konraddwojak.com/blog/2014/4/fracture-glass-prints-review
It is 3-year old now, and the situation could be different now (better or 
worse), but it sheds light on what could be a problem.


In addition to that, - when I watched the video ad - right on the
first page of  https://fractureme.com/  (It's almost the same video that I 
saw this morning on TV), I noticed quite a few annoying reflections from
the glass. I am guessing that those were probably exacerbated by the 
lights used for shooting, but it got me thinking about this question:
If we compare these prints directly on the glass surface to a print 
mounted behind a glass, does the fact that the image is right on the glass 
surface improve the reflection problem, make it worse, or does not affect 
it much?


Yet another question I have is about the width of the color gamut and
color accuracy provided by this company.

If someone on this list has tried this type of prints, - I'd be curious to 
hear your impression.


Also, - have you seen or tried any other services doing the same type of 
printing?
(I googled and found a few, e.g. 
http://www.grayglass.net/glass.cfm/Architectural/Digital-Printing/catid/1/conid/221

http://photography.com/product-glass.html )

Thank you,

Igor


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Re: Google's getting into the on-demand photo book printing business

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Brilliant! Not.

Mark, have you tried Blurb's magazine format yet? The prices are
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Re: PT LR 4.4 and Epson 2400 printing

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Ya it took me a while to figure out Apple had the drivers. Me thinks
that was or is part of the probnlem. Downloaded now so we'll see.

Dave

On Fri, Dec 23, 2016 at 7:04 AM, Paul Stenquist <pnstenqu...@mac.com> wrote:
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>> On Dec 23, 2016, at 6:57 AM, David J Brooks <pentko...@gmail.com> wrote:
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>>> On Thu, Dec 22, 2016 at 8:54 PM, Paul Stenquist <pnstenqu...@mac.com> wrote:
>>> Odd. I print on a Mac with two clicks and can almost always nail it with 
>>> one attempt.
>>>
>>> Paul via phone
>>
>> Normaly that has been my case but since the OS upgrade not so much. As
>> i mentioned in an email i discovered i was downloading the scanner
>> drivers not the printer drivers (updated) which i have no done so
>> hopefully that will help. I went through a s*(t load of 5x7 paper for
>> nothing.LOL
>>
>> Dave
>>>
>>>> On Dec 22, 2016, at 8:15 PM, Zos Xavius <zosxav...@gmail.com> wrote:
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>>>> At the very least you should be able to set custom sizes and select
>>>> those. Its been an awful long time since I used an epson on a mac but
>>>> I remember it being very similar to windows since it is using the
>>>> printer driver for most of the choices. I also remember now how much I
>>>> hated printing from macs. It was just so much easier on the PC side
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Apple supplies the Epson printer drivers. Go to the Apple Store and click the 
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> On Dec 23, 2016, at 6:57 AM, David J Brooks <pentko...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> On Thu, Dec 22, 2016 at 8:54 PM, Paul Stenquist <pnstenqu...@mac.com> wrote:
>> Odd. I print on a Mac with two clicks and can almost always nail it with one 
>> attempt.
>> 
>> Paul via phone
> 
> Normaly that has been my case but since the OS upgrade not so much. As
> i mentioned in an email i discovered i was downloading the scanner
> drivers not the printer drivers (updated) which i have no done so
> hopefully that will help. I went through a s*(t load of 5x7 paper for
> nothing.LOL
> 
> Dave
>> 
>>> On Dec 22, 2016, at 8:15 PM, Zos Xavius <zosxav...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> At the very least you should be able to set custom sizes and select
>>> those. Its been an awful long time since I used an epson on a mac but
>>> I remember it being very similar to windows since it is using the
>>> printer driver for most of the choices. I also remember now how much I
>>> hated printing from macs. It was just so much easier on the PC side
>>> really.
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On Thu, Dec 22, 2016 at 8:54 PM, Paul Stenquist <pnstenqu...@mac.com> wrote:
> Odd. I print on a Mac with two clicks and can almost always nail it with one 
> attempt.
>
> Paul via phone

Normaly that has been my case but since the OS upgrade not so much. As
i mentioned in an email i discovered i was downloading the scanner
drivers not the printer drivers (updated) which i have no done so
hopefully that will help. I went through a s*(t load of 5x7 paper for
nothing.LOL

Dave
>
>> On Dec 22, 2016, at 8:15 PM, Zos Xavius <zosxav...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> At the very least you should be able to set custom sizes and select
>> those. Its been an awful long time since I used an epson on a mac but
>> I remember it being very similar to windows since it is using the
>> printer driver for most of the choices. I also remember now how much I
>> hated printing from macs. It was just so much easier on the PC side
>> really.
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Odd. I print on a Mac with two clicks and can almost always nail it with one 
attempt.

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> 
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> those. Its been an awful long time since I used an epson on a mac but
> I remember it being very similar to windows since it is using the
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At the very least you should be able to set custom sizes and select
those. Its been an awful long time since I used an epson on a mac but
I remember it being very similar to windows since it is using the
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Re: PT LR 4.4 and Epson 2400 printing

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On Thu, Dec 22, 2016 at 6:13 PM, Igor PDML-StR <pdml...@komkon.org> wrote:
>
> I've never used LR on Mac, so, I am not familiar with possible
> peculiarities. On Windows, it works this way:
> There are some LR print templates that set the page size, and some others
> that don't. So, it is a combination of choosing the template and "page
> setup" that is needed to be done in a particular order (to preserve or set
> the page size, and to get the template suitable for that size).

I think that relationship may be my problem. I'll have another look.
>
> I just looked, and my LR has a 4x6 and a 5x7 print templates (#1 and #3 on
> the list, respectively) that are for a letter-size paper.
> If you are choosing those, that's what might be happening.

My print dialogue box came up with 8x10 in the preset window. I have
removed that but it was still printing 8x10.

I thought i was downloading updated 2400 driver software but it seems
i was updating, many many times, my 2450 scanner drivers instead. I
noticed that this evening and have down loaded the updated driver for
the 2400. Who knew.:-)

Hopefully this will help.



Dave
>
> But if you were to choose, say 5"x7" under "page setup", and then choose
> "maximize size" standard LR template (toward the bottom of the list), -
> you'd get the largest printable size on a 5"x7".
>
> HTH,
>
> Igor
>
>
> David J Brooks Thu, 22 Dec 2016 04:41:37 -0800 wrote:
>
> Hi all.
>
> Prior to my upgrading to OS 10.11.6 my printing from LR went mostly
> well. I now find that it will only print via LR as 8x10 even if i
> select the 4x6 or 5x7 templates. Not sure whats what here.
>
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Re: PT LR 4.4 and Epson 2400 printing

[Igor PDML-StR]

I've never used LR on Mac, so, I am not familiar with possible 
peculiarities. On Windows, it works this way:
There are some LR print templates that set the page size, and some others 
that don't. So, it is a combination of choosing the template and "page 
setup" that is needed to be done in a particular order (to preserve or set 
the page size, and to get the template suitable for that size).


I just looked, and my LR has a 4x6 and a 5x7 print templates (#1 and #3 on 
the list, respectively) that are for a letter-size paper.

If you are choosing those, that's what might be happening.

But if you were to choose, say 5"x7" under "page setup", and then choose 
"maximize size" standard LR template (toward the bottom of the list), - 
you'd get the largest printable size on a 5"x7".


HTH,

Igor


David J Brooks Thu, 22 Dec 2016 04:41:37 -0800 wrote:

Hi all.

Prior to my upgrading to OS 10.11.6 my printing from LR went mostly
well. I now find that it will only print via LR as 8x10 even if i
select the 4x6 or 5x7 templates. Not sure whats what here.


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Hi all.

Prior to my upgrading to OS 10.11.6 my printing from LR went mostly
well. I now find that it will only print via LR as 8x10 even if i
select the 4x6 or 5x7 templates. Not sure whats what here.

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Re: PDML book 2016 printing now in process

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I don't know about CERN, but we'll certainly find out about it here:

http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/map/

Rick
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On Mon, Apr 25, 2016 at 1:30 PM, John  wrote:
> Maybe send a note to the scientists at CERN so they have someone
> standing by in case the collapse creates something of interest?
>
> On 4/23/2016 4:07 PM, Christine Aguila wrote:
>>
>> My photography bookshelves are getting full too. Cheers, Christine
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
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>>> On Apr 23, 2016, at 2:46 PM, Stanley Halpin 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
 On Apr 23, 2016, at 3:10 PM, Bruce Walker 
 wrote:

 When this book arrives at Christine's it may add just enough mass to
 trigger a complete collapse of that front room.

 I'm safe from that catastrophe, but I'll need to upgrade my
 photography bookcase which has run right out of space.
>>>
>>>
>>> You only have one photography bookcase?
>>>
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Maybe send a note to the scientists at CERN so they have someone
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On 4/23/2016 4:07 PM, Christine Aguila wrote:

My photography bookshelves are getting full too. Cheers, Christine

Sent from my iPad


On Apr 23, 2016, at 2:46 PM, Stanley Halpin  wrote:



On Apr 23, 2016, at 3:10 PM, Bruce Walker  wrote:

When this book arrives at Christine's it may add just enough mass to
trigger a complete collapse of that front room.

I'm safe from that catastrophe, but I'll need to upgrade my
photography bookcase which has run right out of space.


You only have one photography bookcase?





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Re: PDML book 2016 printing now in process

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David J Brooks wrote:

>On Sun, Apr 24, 2016 at 12:28 PM, Mark Roberts
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>> That's a surprise to me!
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>Leap year.

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> That's a surprise to me!

Leap year.

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By the way, I just checked my records and found that this year's
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On Sat, Apr 23, 2016 at 3:46 PM, Stanley Halpin
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>> On Apr 23, 2016, at 3:10 PM, Bruce Walker  wrote:
>>
>> When this book arrives at Christine's it may add just enough mass to
>> trigger a complete collapse of that front room.
>>
>> I'm safe from that catastrophe, but I'll need to upgrade my
>> photography bookcase which has run right out of space.
>>
>
> You only have one photography bookcase?

Yeah, just one, the busiest one, in my office studio. I had to expel
all the software ref manuals (Photoshop, et al) out of it to make
enough room for the "pure" photobooks.

Of course the 3-vol set of Exotique (1950's fetish magazine) is a bit
suspect as a pure photobook. ;) I guess it will have to find a special
shelf.

I also take up a shelf in the livingroom and one in the main library.
I only started collecting a few years ago, and I still limit myself to
subjects of specific interest for new books. My used book pusher
generally sells me anything that is brought in, so I have some great
stuff by Kertesz, the Ansel Adams "bible", etc.


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My photography bookshelves are getting full too. Cheers, Christine 

Sent from my iPad

> On Apr 23, 2016, at 2:46 PM, Stanley Halpin  
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>> On Apr 23, 2016, at 3:10 PM, Bruce Walker  wrote:
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Lol. Cheers, Christine 

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> On Apr 23, 2016, at 2:10 PM, Bruce Walker  wrote:
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> trigger a complete collapse of that front room.
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Re: PDML book 2016 printing now in process

[Stanley Halpin]

> On Apr 23, 2016, at 3:10 PM, Bruce Walker  wrote:
> 
> When this book arrives at Christine's it may add just enough mass to
> trigger a complete collapse of that front room.
> 
> I'm safe from that catastrophe, but I'll need to upgrade my
> photography bookcase which has run right out of space.
> 

You only have one photography bookcase?


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Re: PDML book 2016 printing now in process

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> On Apr 23, 2016, at 3:02 PM, Mark Roberts  wrote:
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> I've just uploaded the beta version for a test print. I should have it
> in about 10 days. If all goes well it will be on line for the public a
> day after that.
> 
> -- 
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> www.robertstech.com
> 


Good. Thanks!

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Re: PDML book 2016 printing now in process

[Bruce Walker]

When this book arrives at Christine's it may add just enough mass to
trigger a complete collapse of that front room.

I'm safe from that catastrophe, but I'll need to upgrade my
photography bookcase which has run right out of space.

On Sat, Apr 23, 2016 at 3:02 PM, Mark Roberts
 wrote:
> I've just uploaded the beta version for a test print. I should have it
> in about 10 days. If all goes well it will be on line for the public a
> day after that.
>
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> www.robertstech.com
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PDML book 2016 printing now in process

[Mark Roberts]

I've just uploaded the beta version for a test print. I should have it
in about 10 days. If all goes well it will be on line for the public a
day after that.
 
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OT - color printing and image limitations - for superheroes

[Igor PDML-StR]

I came across this essay about the way the superheroes look.
I am not sure if it is all correct, but I found some assertions quite 
interesting from the technical point of view. In particular, the thought 
about the 4-color printing, lack of half-tones and how that affected the 
images drawn.

http://techgnotic.deviantart.com/journal/Secrets-of-Superman-s-Underwear-453097017

I thought it's an interesting example of how technology defines the art.
(A pop-art, but nevertheless.)

Igor



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Re: Printing problem _ I need you geniuses !

[P.J. Alling]

Does it allow a custom setting? Several of my past HP printers allowed 
custom setting with max dimension, of 44", one IIRC had a custom setting 
allowing an effectively unlimited length, though there was no provision 
for roll paper, but they hid that pretty thoroughly.  I haven't used an 
Epson printer in quite some time so I can't help more than that.


On 12/21/2015 11:49 PM, ann sanfedele wrote:
So I accidentally got my R220 to print an 8 1/2" x 19" last night- but 
have not been able to replicate it.  I'm printing from

a file that measures just that.. (this one) at 300 dpi

https://annsan.smugmug.com/On-the-Road-or-On-Foot/Random-stuff/n-9xmXn/i-hJV3mnS/A 



I'm printing from Elements 10.  The R220 only has a narrow carriage (8 
1/2")  - I don't know whether it is going wrong

because of the printer or the elements settings...

any ideas? I can't at this point remember all the variations of things 
i tried to get this pano to print to the full size.  it kept
either cropping it or keeping proportions and reducing the size so 
that it would print on a letter sized sheet...


here is that file:
https://annsan.smugmug.com/On-the-Road-or-On-Foot/Random-stuff/n-9xmXn/i-L36BNsN/A 



I got nothin' - can anyone help?

Thanks -

ann









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Re: Printing problem _ I need you geniuses !

[ann sanfedele]

Thanks for input P. J.   - Paul Sorensens helped - thought it was to do 
with Elements 10 but we eliminated that quickly..
the R220 does have a user defined section... but the way it is set up 
was confusing... once I discovered that I had to click
on it in an area I would not have thought about clicking I got to the 
definition place for the printer settings.  So now I'm
all set to peddle the one pagers on ebay... and make other odd shaped 
prints.  waste not, want not


ann

On 12/22/2015 1:31 PM, P.J. Alling wrote:
Does it allow a custom setting? Several of my past HP printers allowed 
custom setting with max dimension, of 44", one IIRC had a custom 
setting allowing an effectively unlimited length, though there was no 
provision for roll paper, but they hid that pretty thoroughly. I 
haven't used an Epson printer in quite some time so I can't help more 
than that.


On 12/21/2015 11:49 PM, ann sanfedele wrote:
So I accidentally got my R220 to print an 8 1/2" x 19" last night- 
but have not been able to replicate it.  I'm printing from

a file that measures just that.. (this one) at 300 dpi

https://annsan.smugmug.com/On-the-Road-or-On-Foot/Random-stuff/n-9xmXn/i-hJV3mnS/A 



I'm printing from Elements 10.  The R220 only has a narrow carriage 
(8 1/2")  - I don't know whether it is going wrong

because of the printer or the elements settings...

any ideas? I can't at this point remember all the variations of 
things i tried to get this pano to print to the full size.  it kept
either cropping it or keeping proportions and reducing the size so 
that it would print on a letter sized sheet...


here is that file:
https://annsan.smugmug.com/On-the-Road-or-On-Foot/Random-stuff/n-9xmXn/i-L36BNsN/A 



I got nothin' - can anyone help?

Thanks -

ann












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