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If it weren't for autocorrect and red squiggle underlines, that's what my emails would look like. Some still dew. Moisture mention this now? Just drop it. I snow what you mean. Water ya taking about? Ice what Cotty means. All hail the great Cotty I will now go get piste -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Doug Brewer wrote: On 10/13/12 3:38 PM, kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote: On Oct 13, 2012, at 3:26 PM, Bruce Walker wrote: On 13/10/2012 18:57, Steve Cottrell wrote: If it weren't for autocorrect and red squiggle underlines, that's what my emails would look like. Some still dew. Moisture mention this now? Just drop it. I snow what you mean. Water ya taking about? Ice what Cotty means. All hail the great Cotty long may he rain I haven't the foggiest idea what you're talking about. -- Mark Roberts - Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Dougbrewer.wordpress.com On Oct 16, 2012, at 11:46 AM, Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com wrote: Doug Brewer wrote: On 10/13/12 3:38 PM, kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote: On Oct 13, 2012, at 3:26 PM, Bruce Walker wrote: On 13/10/2012 18:57, Steve Cottrell wrote: If it weren't for autocorrect and red squiggle underlines, that's what my emails would look like. Some still dew. Moisture mention this now? Just drop it. I snow what you mean. Water ya taking about? Ice what Cotty means. All hail the great Cotty long may he rain I haven't the foggiest idea what you're talking about. -- Nor do I, mister - -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Doug Brewer d...@alphoto.com wrote: Dougbrewer.wordpress.com On Oct 16, 2012, at 11:46 AM, Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com wrote: Doug Brewer wrote: On 10/13/12 3:38 PM, kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote: On Oct 13, 2012, at 3:26 PM, Bruce Walker wrote: On 13/10/2012 18:57, Steve Cottrell wrote: If it weren't for autocorrect and red squiggle underlines, that's what my emails would look like. Some still dew. Moisture mention this now? Just drop it. I snow what you mean. Water ya taking about? Ice what Cotty means. All hail the great Cotty long may he rain I haven't the foggiest idea what you're talking about. Nor do I, mister Perhaps Cotty will explain if we shower him with compliments. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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If it weren't for autocorrect and red squiggle underlines, that's what my emails would look like. Some still dew. Moisture mention this now? Just drop it. I snow what you mean. Water ya taking about? Ice what Cotty means. All hail the great Cotty long may he rain I haven't the foggiest idea what you're talking about. Nor do I, mister Perhaps Cotty will explain if we shower him with compliments. It won't wash with me -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Oct 16, 2012, at 09:20 , Mark Roberts wrote: Doug Brewer d...@alphoto.com wrote: Dougbrewer.wordpress.com On Oct 16, 2012, at 11:46 AM, Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com wrote: Doug Brewer wrote: On 10/13/12 3:38 PM, kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote: On Oct 13, 2012, at 3:26 PM, Bruce Walker wrote: On 13/10/2012 18:57, Steve Cottrell wrote: If it weren't for autocorrect and red squiggle underlines, that's what my emails would look like. Some still dew. Moisture mention this now? Just drop it. I snow what you mean. Water ya taking about? Ice what Cotty means. All hail the great Cotty long may he rain I haven't the foggiest idea what you're talking about. Nor do I, mister Perhaps Cotty will explain if we shower him with compliments. Back to Piste then? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Steve Cottrell wrote: If it weren't for autocorrect and red squiggle underlines, that's what my emails would look like. Some still dew. Moisture mention this now? Just drop it. I snow what you mean. Water ya taking about? Ice what Cotty means. All hail the great Cotty long may he rain I haven't the foggiest idea what you're talking about. Nor do I, mister Perhaps Cotty will explain if we shower him with compliments. It won't wash with me Not falling for that snow job, then? -- Mark Roberts - Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Oct 16, 2012, at 12:46 PM, Steve Cottrell wrote: If it weren't for autocorrect and red squiggle underlines, that's what my emails would look like. Some still dew. Moisture mention this now? Just drop it. I snow what you mean. Water ya taking about? Ice what Cotty means. All hail the great Cotty long may he rain I haven't the foggiest idea what you're talking about. Nor do I, mister Perhaps Cotty will explain if we shower him with compliments. It won't wash with me I figured you would come thundering in with a comment. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Steve Cottrell co...@seeingeye.tv Subject: Re: student cameras still film? If it weren't for autocorrect and red squiggle underlines, that's what my emails would look like. Some still dew. Moisture mention this now? Just drop it. I snow what you mean. Water ya taking about? Ice what Cotty means. All hail the great Cotty I will now go get piste Off? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com Subject: Re: student cameras still film? Doug Brewer wrote: On 10/13/12 3:38 PM, kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote: On Oct 13, 2012, at 3:26 PM, Bruce Walker wrote: On 13/10/2012 18:57, Steve Cottrell wrote: If it weren't for autocorrect and red squiggle underlines, that's what my emails would look like. Some still dew. Moisture mention this now? Just drop it. I snow what you mean. Water ya taking about? Ice what Cotty means. All hail the great Cotty long may he rain I haven't the foggiest idea what you're talking about. Must be a snow job. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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-Original Message- From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Stan Halpin Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2012 4:39 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: student cameras still film? On Oct 16, 2012, at 12:46 PM, Steve Cottrell wrote: If it weren't for autocorrect and red squiggle underlines, that's what my emails would look like. Some still dew. Moisture mention this now? Just drop it. I snow what you mean. Water ya taking about? Ice what Cotty means. All hail the great Cotty long may he rain I haven't the foggiest idea what you're talking about. Nor do I, mister Perhaps Cotty will explain if we shower him with compliments. It won't wash with me I figured you would come thundering in with a comment. If this goes on any longer I think Im gonna sleet my throat -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - Subject: Re: student cameras still film? On Oct 16, 2012, at 12:46 PM, Steve Cottrell wrote: If it weren't for autocorrect and red squiggle underlines, that's what my emails would look like. Some still dew. Moisture mention this now? Just drop it. I snow what you mean. Water ya taking about? Ice what Cotty means. All hail the great Cotty long may he rain I haven't the foggiest idea what you're talking about. Nor do I, mister Perhaps Cotty will explain if we shower him with compliments. It won't wash with me I figured you would come thundering in with a comment. If this goes on any longer I think Im gonna sleet my throat Would someone remind me what this threads about, my mind is a little cloudy -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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This may be totally off the subject, bur I found that the Lumix FZ5 is a brilliat student camera bacause of it's options for totally manual control. 5 MP is enouhg for learning. For a film camera I think the Pentax K2 is brilliant. REGARDS Jens -- Treat others as you would like to be treated yourself. On Sep 28, 2012 12:02 Gasha cir...@konts.lv wrote: I really like that silver based paper and archival properties of BW materials. Every time i look at fading 6-year old Fuji Color print, i know that i will print more BW. Of course, there is that magic also :) Gasha On 09/27/2012 09:57 PM, Steven Desjardins wrote: The students I know that have taken this classes really enjoyed using film and the darkroom work. With so much electronic these days, they rarely get to produce something like that by hand. There's still something magic about the print appearing in the developer tray. On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 1:45 PM, David J Brookspentko...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 1:15 PM, John Sessomsjsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote: A lot of photography classes still include BW darkroom. In theory, some basics (shutter speed, aperture, exposure, sunny16 ...) are learned better when the student has to understand them without just looking at the little TV on the back of the camera. A bus driver friend has a friend with a daughter in high school. They needed to buy a 35mm film camera, no digital. Dave The school I attended required every first year student to have a medium format camera when I started it back in 2005. When I returned to finish my degree in 2010, first year students were required to have a Canon/Nikon DSLR (so they could use the school's lenses) and the school provided medium format cameras (through equipment check-out) for the students to use in those lessons. Students just had to buy their own film chemistry. My first year we had a materials and processes class that covered the basics the chemistry of film, film processing and printing paper. When I went back, the first year students still had to learn those, but the course now included the chemistry of inks ink jet papers. Plus film is very hip now-a-days. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I know that English is not your first language, and besides, I'm only teasing, but I must wonder if you've recently attended classes at the Dave Brooks School of English Erudition, Grammar and Speeling [sic]. ;-) chairs, flank What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof. -- Christopher Hitchens --- Original Message --- From: Jens p...@planfoto.dk Sent: October 13, 2012 10/13/12 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: student cameras still film? This may be totally off the subject, bur I found that the Lumix FZ5 is a brilliat student camera bacause of it's options for totally manual control. 5 MP is enouhg for learning. For a film camera I think the Pentax K2 is brilliant. REGARDS Jens -- Treat others as you would like to be treated yourself. On Sep 28, 2012 12:02 Gasha cir...@konts.lv wrote: I really like that silver based paper and archival properties of BW materials. Every time i look at fading 6-year old Fuji Color print, i know that i will print more BW. Of course, there is that magic also :) Gasha On 09/27/2012 09:57 PM, Steven Desjardins wrote: The students I know that have taken this classes really enjoyed using film and the darkroom work. With so much electronic these days, they rarely get to produce something like that by hand. There's still something magic about the print appearing in the developer tray. On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 1:45 PM, David J Brookspentko...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 1:15 PM, John Sessomsjsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote: A lot of photography classes still include BW darkroom. In theory, some basics (shutter speed, aperture, exposure, sunny16 ...) are learned better when the student has to understand them without just looking at the little TV on the back of the camera. A bus driver friend has a friend with a daughter in high school. They needed to buy a 35mm film camera, no digital. Dave The school I attended required every first year student to have a medium format camera when I started it back in 2005. When I returned to finish my degree in 2010, first year students were required to have a Canon/Nikon DSLR (so they could use the school's lenses) and the school provided medium format cameras (through equipment check-out) for the students to use in those lessons. Students just had to buy their own film chemistry. My first year we had a materials and processes class that covered the basics the chemistry of film, film processing and printing paper. When I went back, the first year students still had to learn those, but the course now included the chemistry of inks ink jet papers. Plus film is very hip now-a-days. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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look more like typos rather than misspellings - J.C.O'Connell hifis...@gate.net - -Original Message- From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of knarftheria...@gmail.com Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 9:09 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: student cameras still film? I know that English is not your first language, and besides, I'm only teasing, but I must wonder if you've recently attended classes at the Dave Brooks School of English Erudition, Grammar and Speeling [sic]. ;-) chairs, flank What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof. -- Christopher Hitchens --- Original Message --- From: Jens p...@planfoto.dk Sent: October 13, 2012 10/13/12 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: student cameras still film? This may be totally off the subject, bur I found that the Lumix FZ5 is a brilliat student camera bacause of it's options for totally manual control. 5 MP is enouhg for learning. For a film camera I think the Pentax K2 is brilliant. REGARDS Jens -- Treat others as you would like to be treated yourself. On Sep 28, 2012 12:02 Gasha cir...@konts.lv wrote: I really like that silver based paper and archival properties of BW materials. Every time i look at fading 6-year old Fuji Color print, i know that i will print more BW. Of course, there is that magic also :) Gasha On 09/27/2012 09:57 PM, Steven Desjardins wrote: The students I know that have taken this classes really enjoyed using film and the darkroom work. With so much electronic these days, they rarely get to produce something like that by hand. There's still something magic about the print appearing in the developer tray. On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 1:45 PM, David J Brookspentko...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 1:15 PM, John Sessomsjsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote: A lot of photography classes still include BW darkroom. In theory, some basics (shutter speed, aperture, exposure, sunny16 ...) are learned better when the student has to understand them without just looking at the little TV on the back of the camera. A bus driver friend has a friend with a daughter in high school. They needed to buy a 35mm film camera, no digital. Dave The school I attended required every first year student to have a medium format camera when I started it back in 2005. When I returned to finish my degree in 2010, first year students were required to have a Canon/Nikon DSLR (so they could use the school's lenses) and the school provided medium format cameras (through equipment check-out) for the students to use in those lessons. Students just had to buy their own film chemistry. My first year we had a materials and processes class that covered the basics the chemistry of film, film processing and printing paper. When I went back, the first year students still had to learn those, but the course now included the chemistry of inks ink jet papers. Plus film is very hip now-a-days. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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If it weren't for autocorrect and red squiggle underlines, that's what my emails would look like. Some still dew. On Sat, Oct 13, 2012 at 9:09 AM, knarftheria...@gmail.com knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: I know that English is not your first language, and besides, I'm only teasing, but I must wonder if you've recently attended classes at the Dave Brooks School of English Erudition, Grammar and Speeling [sic]. ;-) chairs, flank What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof. -- Christopher Hitchens --- Original Message --- From: Jens p...@planfoto.dk Sent: October 13, 2012 10/13/12 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: student cameras still film? This may be totally off the subject, bur I found that the Lumix FZ5 is a brilliat student camera bacause of it's options for totally manual control. 5 MP is enouhg for learning. For a film camera I think the Pentax K2 is brilliant. REGARDS Jens -- Treat others as you would like to be treated yourself. On Sep 28, 2012 12:02 Gasha cir...@konts.lv wrote: I really like that silver based paper and archival properties of BW materials. Every time i look at fading 6-year old Fuji Color print, i know that i will print more BW. Of course, there is that magic also :) Gasha On 09/27/2012 09:57 PM, Steven Desjardins wrote: The students I know that have taken this classes really enjoyed using film and the darkroom work. With so much electronic these days, they rarely get to produce something like that by hand. There's still something magic about the print appearing in the developer tray. On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 1:45 PM, David J Brookspentko...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 1:15 PM, John Sessomsjsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote: A lot of photography classes still include BW darkroom. In theory, some basics (shutter speed, aperture, exposure, sunny16 ...) are learned better when the student has to understand them without just looking at the little TV on the back of the camera. A bus driver friend has a friend with a daughter in high school. They needed to buy a 35mm film camera, no digital. Dave The school I attended required every first year student to have a medium format camera when I started it back in 2005. When I returned to finish my degree in 2010, first year students were required to have a Canon/Nikon DSLR (so they could use the school's lenses) and the school provided medium format cameras (through equipment check-out) for the students to use in those lessons. Students just had to buy their own film chemistry. My first year we had a materials and processes class that covered the basics the chemistry of film, film processing and printing paper. When I went back, the first year students still had to learn those, but the course now included the chemistry of inks ink jet papers. Plus film is very hip now-a-days. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: mike wilson m.9.wil...@ntlworld.com Subject: Re: student cameras still film? On 13/10/2012 18:57, Steve Cottrell wrote: If it weren't for autocorrect and red squiggle underlines, that's what my emails would look like. Some still dew. Moisture mention this now? Just drop it. I snow what you mean. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 13/10/2012 18:57, Steve Cottrell wrote: If it weren't for autocorrect and red squiggle underlines, that's what my emails would look like. Some still dew. Moisture mention this now? Just drop it. I snow what you mean. Water ya taking about? -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Oct 13, 2012, at 3:26 PM, Bruce Walker wrote: On 13/10/2012 18:57, Steve Cottrell wrote: If it weren't for autocorrect and red squiggle underlines, that's what my emails would look like. Some still dew. Moisture mention this now? Just drop it. I snow what you mean. Water ya taking about? Ice what Cotty means. stan -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Stan Halpin s...@stans-photography.info Subject: Re: student cameras still film? On Oct 13, 2012, at 3:26 PM, Bruce Walker wrote: On 13/10/2012 18:57, Steve Cottrell wrote: If it weren't for autocorrect and red squiggle underlines, that's what my emails would look like. Some still dew. Moisture mention this now? Just drop it. I snow what you mean. Water ya taking about? Ice what Cotty means. All hail the great Cotty stan -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 9:19 AM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote: Right. I understand all that. Lots of different ways to make it work. The sticking point has been finding a usable socket with the correct thread to accept the old style cable release without having to murder an old film camera. Somewhere in my camera junk box I have an elastic/velcro gizmo that wraps around a small camera and includes a threaded cable release socket with delrin push button, specifically designed to do the shutter release without damaging the button on cameras that don't have port for a remote. But guess what? The expensive electrical remote transmits less vibration to the camera and works better. But yes, I still keep an 8 cable release in my tripod kit bag, for the Leica M9, M4-2, CL, and other cameras that use it. Along with the electrical remote for each of my cameras that have that capability (E-1 and GXR at present). I wish I had RF remotes for all my cameras, that works better for me. -- Godfrey godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: Godfrey DiGiorgi On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 9:19 AM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote: Right. I understand all that. Lots of different ways to make it work. The sticking point has been finding a usable socket with the correct thread to accept the old style cable release without having to murder an old film camera. Somewhere in my camera junk box I have an elastic/velcro gizmo that wraps around a small camera and includes a threaded cable release socket with delrin push button, specifically designed to do the shutter release without damaging the button on cameras that don't have port for a remote. But guess what? The expensive electrical remote transmits less vibration to the camera and works better. Yeah, but that expensive electrical remote won't convert the camera half of the double cable release from the Auto Bellows A into a signal that will trip the shutter while the lens is stopped down. Leaves me still stuck with needing three hands. I will have to take another look at those elastic/velcro gizmos though to see if I can get a usable socket from one of them. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 9/29/12 4:58, David Parsons wrote: If you want a basic film camera, why don't you just use a basic film camera. Pentax is NEVER going to release a camera that has fewer features than previous models. It doesn't make any kind of economic sense to spend time and money to develop and release this kind of camera. I mentioned this quite recently, of course, but I'm not so sure. The time and money spent to develop a stripped down camera should be quite minimal, and might capture a niche in the market that nobody else addresses. Which leads to some return - perhaps not huge, but when your not Canikon, winning the longest-list-of-features game is pretty hard right now, so trying to find several smaller niches may be a good strategy. I'm talking about an electronic camera with slightly modified controls and a simplified firmware, though, not a mechanical one with a digital sensor... The simple fact is that you do not need to use the features that you don't want to use. The features do tend to get in the way even if you don't intend to use them, though. Like someone just complained how a day's work was mostly ruined because his K-5 has somehow switched from raw to low-res JPEG. Now if the JPEG support wasn't there in the first place... - T Modern cameras are computers with microswitches. The mirror and shutter assemblies are just about the only thing remaining that are mechanical. Using a threaded shutter release because old timers have a dozen each? What sense does it make to use an old mechanical shutter release that you need to interface with a circuit anyway? Remote shutter release is an electrical signal now (a short to be specific), it is arguably better since it requires no moving parts and is as simple as touching two wires to trigger. This isn't meant as an attack at you. But the nostalgia for bare bones features is overwhelming. On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 10:42 PM, Bipin Guptabip...@gmail.com wrote: Well said Cotty, you just sold a great idea for FREE to Ricoh - Pentax, a simple student's stripped down manual focus camera with no bells and whistles. The basics can never change from our old box cameras to today's flashy DSLRs - a light tight box, time - aperture - ISO - focus. But Pentax has crippled the lens mount - no aperture. What a shame. Even the useful screw on cable release has gone. Bipin. camp: San Mateo, CA and not from the far away enchanting land -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: Bipin Gupta Hello John, your idea is perfectly feasible - having the film era screw on cable release pushing a simple dual contact electrical switch wired to a Japanese 2.5 mm stereo pin which the Pentax uses for the very expensive DSLR cable release. If you google you will come up with plenty of other great ideas, including a home made aluminum bracket that mounts on the flash adapter and the other end of the bracket hovers over the shutter button. This end has a tapped hole where you screw on your film era cable release. Just stick a shirt button using double sided scotch tape so that the steel push rod does not damage the shutter release. I converted my old Pentax MZ5n electrical cable release by cutting the 3-prong adapter end, and soldering a Japanese 2.5 mm stereo pin. Bipin. camp: San Mateo, CA, and not from the far away enchanting land. Right. I understand all that. Lots of different ways to make it work. The sticking point has been finding a usable socket with the correct thread to accept the old style cable release without having to murder an old film camera. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 28/9/12, Bipin Gupta, discombobulated, unleashed: Even the useful screw on cable release has gone. Bipin. Easy to reinstate! My X10 has one! And why not reinstate the aperture ring! It just takes a will. Leica do it so it must be good ;-) camp: San Mateo, CA and not from the far away enchanting land Sailed as a teenager from San Leandro most weekends! -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 28/9/12, David Parsons, discombobulated, unleashed: Modern cameras are computers with microswitches. The mirror and shutter assemblies are just about the only thing remaining that are mechanical. Using a threaded shutter release because old timers have a dozen each? What sense does it make to use an old mechanical shutter release that you need to interface with a circuit anyway? Remote shutter release is an electrical signal now (a short to be specific), it is arguably better since it requires no moving parts and is as simple as touching two wires to trigger. Because we need to teach students how to be photographers, not computer operators ;-) -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: Bipin Gupta Well said Cotty, you just sold a great idea for FREE to Ricoh - Pentax, a simple student's stripped down manual focus camera with no bells and whistles. The basics can never change from our old box cameras to today's flashy DSLRs - a light tight box, time - aperture - ISO - focus. But Pentax has crippled the lens mount - no aperture. What a shame. Even the useful screw on cable release has gone. I've been looking for a simple electric switch that would work with a mechanical cable release. One end takes the old fashion universal mechanical cable release - the other end has the mini-jack that fits the socket on the K10D or K20D. Inside is a simple push button switch. Press the plunger on the cable release and the push button switch makes the circuit at the mini-jack end firing the shutter. I'd make my own if I could find a socket for the cable release that didn't require me to tear apart an old camera. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I really like that silver based paper and archival properties of BW materials. Every time i look at fading 6-year old Fuji Color print, i know that i will print more BW. Of course, there is that magic also :) Gasha On 09/27/2012 09:57 PM, Steven Desjardins wrote: The students I know that have taken this classes really enjoyed using film and the darkroom work. With so much electronic these days, they rarely get to produce something like that by hand. There's still something magic about the print appearing in the developer tray. On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 1:45 PM, David J Brookspentko...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 1:15 PM, John Sessomsjsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote: A lot of photography classes still include BW darkroom. In theory, some basics (shutter speed, aperture, exposure, sunny16 ...) are learned better when the student has to understand them without just looking at the little TV on the back of the camera. A bus driver friend has a friend with a daughter in high school. They needed to buy a 35mm film camera, no digital. Dave The school I attended required every first year student to have a medium format camera when I started it back in 2005. When I returned to finish my degree in 2010, first year students were required to have a Canon/Nikon DSLR (so they could use the school's lenses) and the school provided medium format cameras (through equipment check-out) for the students to use in those lessons. Students just had to buy their own film chemistry. My first year we had a materials and processes class that covered the basics the chemistry of film, film processing and printing paper. When I went back, the first year students still had to learn those, but the course now included the chemistry of inks ink jet papers. Plus film is very hip now-a-days. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: Steven Desjardins The students I know that have taken this classes really enjoyed using film and the darkroom work. With so much electronic these days, they rarely get to produce something like that by hand. There's still something magic about the print appearing in the developer tray. Oh HELL YES! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I just finished listening to the latest episode of the This Week In Photo podcast. There was an interview with Ralph Clevenger about the curriculum at Brooks. Summarizing, he said that they are fully digital due to the demands industry. He did reference something to do with film in the upper level and history classes. You can listen to it here. http://www.thisweekinphoto.com/2012/twip-274-lytro-goes-mainstream/ GS George Sinos gsi...@gmail.com www.georgesphotos.net plus.georgesinos.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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This is where archive standard processing is so important. I look at some prints I made nearly 50 years ago and some look as fresh as the day they were made, whereas others that obviously did not receive the same care in fixing and washing are beginning to look three times as ancient. I have on my corkboard a print I made some 12 years ago using an Epson (can't remember the model now) inkjet printer which has not faded at all, but others made sincehave lost colour ranges after a comparatively short time, as little as six months. I can't think that the paper and ink used on the long-lasting print were rated as archival, but something obviously went right. Is there a combination of ink and paper that has performed well and could be considered of archival quality? John Coyle Brisbane, Australia -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Gasha Sent: Friday, 28 September 2012 8:02 PM To: pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: student cameras still film? I really like that silver based paper and archival properties of BW materials. Every time i look at fading 6-year old Fuji Color print, i know that i will print more BW. Of course, there is that magic also :) Gasha On 09/27/2012 09:57 PM, Steven Desjardins wrote: The students I know that have taken this classes really enjoyed using film and the darkroom work. With so much electronic these days, they rarely get to produce something like that by hand. There's still something magic about the print appearing in the developer tray. On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 1:45 PM, David J Brookspentko...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 1:15 PM, John Sessomsjsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote: A lot of photography classes still include BW darkroom. In theory, some basics (shutter speed, aperture, exposure, sunny16 ...) are learned better when the student has to understand them without just looking at the little TV on the back of the camera. A bus driver friend has a friend with a daughter in high school. They needed to buy a 35mm film camera, no digital. Dave The school I attended required every first year student to have a medium format camera when I started it back in 2005. When I returned to finish my degree in 2010, first year students were required to have a Canon/Nikon DSLR (so they could use the school's lenses) and the school provided medium format cameras (through equipment check-out) for the students to use in those lessons. Students just had to buy their own film chemistry. My first year we had a materials and processes class that covered the basics the chemistry of film, film processing and printing paper. When I went back, the first year students still had to learn those, but the course now included the chemistry of inks ink jet papers. Plus film is very hip now-a-days. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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If you want a basic film camera, why don't you just use a basic film camera. Pentax is NEVER going to release a camera that has fewer features than previous models. It doesn't make any kind of economic sense to spend time and money to develop and release this kind of camera. The simple fact is that you do not need to use the features that you don't want to use. Modern cameras are computers with microswitches. The mirror and shutter assemblies are just about the only thing remaining that are mechanical. Using a threaded shutter release because old timers have a dozen each? What sense does it make to use an old mechanical shutter release that you need to interface with a circuit anyway? Remote shutter release is an electrical signal now (a short to be specific), it is arguably better since it requires no moving parts and is as simple as touching two wires to trigger. This isn't meant as an attack at you. But the nostalgia for bare bones features is overwhelming. On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 10:42 PM, Bipin Gupta bip...@gmail.com wrote: Well said Cotty, you just sold a great idea for FREE to Ricoh - Pentax, a simple student's stripped down manual focus camera with no bells and whistles. The basics can never change from our old box cameras to today's flashy DSLRs - a light tight box, time - aperture - ISO - focus. But Pentax has crippled the lens mount - no aperture. What a shame. Even the useful screw on cable release has gone. Bipin. camp: San Mateo, CA and not from the far away enchanting land -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- David Parsons Photography http://www.davidparsonsphoto.com Aloha Photographer Photoblog http://alohaphotog.blogspot.com/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 27/09/2012 01:48, J.C. O'Connell wrote: I still see film cameras like the K1000 and MX listed for sale as student cameras. Question is are they still using film cameras rather than digital in photography classes in high schools and colleges? Seems like a basic DSLR would be more appropriate in today's day and age. My work just changed in the last year for basic photography education. Still has darkrooms and still does not have a colour calibration tool -- No fixed Adobe -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Something becoming more and more obvious to me is the effective 'dumbing down' of photography. In days gone by, there were basically three tiers of equipment. SLR cameras, bigger SLR cameras, and everything else. As a student, using an SLR camera was essential - you were taught about the nature of light and what happens inside that light-tight box you were using - how you could see and focus and frame the image in order to capture it. You learned about the relationships between time and aperture - absolutely crucial. You learned about the dynamics of using different lenses, and which lens to use, and when. Photography courses specified the requirement of a 'manual 35mm film SLR' as a pre-requisite. It seems today that some of the above elements are perhaps being taught from Powerpoint presentations to a class full of students toting anything from point and shoots upwards. Standardisation lacking. Worse, do the teachers even know what's going on inside the multitude of light- tight boxes full of electronics and vagueness? By all means move towards the electronic age - film was great for its time as a recording medium, but there are arguably better ways to do it now. But the nature of light never changes - and lessons of yesteryear can and should be transferred through to modern methods - but with the availability of a basic functioning DSLR thats name never changes. There are so many naming methods and they just don't sit still long enough for anyone to get a hold of what they are. Take a low-spec model, rip all the frills out of it, basic manual functions, simple menu system, manual focussing aids, threaded shutter release, K mount would be ideal (lots of manual focus lenses about) and call it the 'Pentax Student'. Price it below entry level and gear up to make as many as you can. Schools the world over would buy them by the ton. .02 -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Sep 26, 2012, at 22:34 , David Parsons parsons.da...@gmail.com wrote: What gets me about those listings is that they usually over $100 in the Boston area. A 35 year old camera that regularly goes for $125. I stopped looking for Pentax on CL because it's so ridiculous. I agree there are some nutso prices, but I did score a kit 18-55 and 50-200 for a sum total of $80 last summer. So there are some reasonable people out there. But they are very rare. -Charles -- Charles Robinson - charl...@visi.com Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org http://www.facebook.com/charles.robinson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 6:48 PM, J.C. O'Connell hifis...@gate.net wrote: I still see film cameras like the K1000 and MX listed for sale as student cameras. Question is are they still using film cameras rather than digital in photography classes in high schools and colleges? Seems like a basic DSLR would be more appropriate in today's day and age. I'm currently enrolled in a 35mm film photography class at our local community college. We were given Vivitar cameras with a 50mm F/1.8 lens. The darkroom has about 10 enlargers. They also offer a color 35mm class, which utilizes a different darkroom. They also have a large format photography course, and I'm told a medium format class. I've also been told that a new building is being built and they'll leave the color film class behind, when that happens. I'm not in the program, but it looks like it is mostly digital, but if you wish, you can spend quite a bit of time with film. -- Kent Brede http://kentonbrede.com/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I think it depends on how the school views their mission. If they are preparing people for jobs, they will be heavily weighted towards digital. Not much use for film based skills in the job market. If they are more on the side of the arts or personal improvement they will probably still offer film classes. There are a lot of people that think you get a better grasp on digital if you start with film. That's only because of the historical accident of the way most of us old guys learned. Actually, It's the other way around. The feedback you get with digital is so quick that you can learn much more about the basics of photography much faster. Then when you progress to the slow moving world of film and chemicals you have a good mental model of exposure and can concentrate on the specifics of the materials. gs George Sinos gsi...@gmail.com www.georgesphotos.net plus.georgesinos.com On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 9:09 AM, Kenton Brede kbr...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 6:48 PM, J.C. O'Connell hifis...@gate.net wrote: I still see film cameras like the K1000 and MX listed for sale as student cameras. Question is are they still using film cameras rather than digital in photography classes in high schools and colleges? Seems like a basic DSLR would be more appropriate in today's day and age. I'm currently enrolled in a 35mm film photography class at our local community college. We were given Vivitar cameras with a 50mm F/1.8 lens. The darkroom has about 10 enlargers. They also offer a color 35mm class, which utilizes a different darkroom. They also have a large format photography course, and I'm told a medium format class. I've also been told that a new building is being built and they'll leave the color film class behind, when that happens. I'm not in the program, but it looks like it is mostly digital, but if you wish, you can spend quite a bit of time with film. -- Kent Brede http://kentonbrede.com/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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You know, Cotty, I've heard a similar argument from our photography professor, which is why the film course still works. The digital photography course is more aimed at basic exposure, composition, and Photoshop. Of course, none of these courses have more than 16 students and a lot of prfoessor/student interaction. The latter cures most educational problems. On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 4:27 AM, Steve Cottrell co...@seeingeye.tv wrote: Something becoming more and more obvious to me is the effective 'dumbing down' of photography. In days gone by, there were basically three tiers of equipment. SLR cameras, bigger SLR cameras, and everything else. As a student, using an SLR camera was essential - you were taught about the nature of light and what happens inside that light-tight box you were using - how you could see and focus and frame the image in order to capture it. You learned about the relationships between time and aperture - absolutely crucial. You learned about the dynamics of using different lenses, and which lens to use, and when. Photography courses specified the requirement of a 'manual 35mm film SLR' as a pre-requisite. It seems today that some of the above elements are perhaps being taught from Powerpoint presentations to a class full of students toting anything from point and shoots upwards. Standardisation lacking. Worse, do the teachers even know what's going on inside the multitude of light- tight boxes full of electronics and vagueness? By all means move towards the electronic age - film was great for its time as a recording medium, but there are arguably better ways to do it now. But the nature of light never changes - and lessons of yesteryear can and should be transferred through to modern methods - but with the availability of a basic functioning DSLR thats name never changes. There are so many naming methods and they just don't sit still long enough for anyone to get a hold of what they are. Take a low-spec model, rip all the frills out of it, basic manual functions, simple menu system, manual focussing aids, threaded shutter release, K mount would be ideal (lots of manual focus lenses about) and call it the 'Pentax Student'. Price it below entry level and gear up to make as many as you can. Schools the world over would buy them by the ton. .02 -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: J.C. O'Connell I still see film cameras like the K1000 and MX listed for sale as student cameras. Question is are they still using film cameras rather than digital in photography classes in high schools and colleges? Seems like a basic DSLR would be more appropriate in today's day and age. PS: In this context, student doesn't necessarily have to mean someone who is studying photography in school, it really just implies a low price. Could be bait switch involved too. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 27/09/2012 10:27, Steve Cottrell wrote: Something becoming more and more obvious to me is the effective 'dumbing down' of photography. In days gone by, there were basically three tiers of equipment. SLR cameras, bigger SLR cameras, and everything else. I'm not sure I would lump everything from disposables to full-plate large formet into one but I get your point. Take a low-spec model, rip all the frills out of it, basic manual functions, simple menu system, manual focussing aids, threaded shutter release, K mount would be ideal (lots of manual focus lenses about) and call it the 'Pentax Student'. Price it below entry level and gear up to make as many as you can. Schools the world over would buy them by the ton. Not when the market is awash with PDML castoffs. All of the stuff at work is secondhand - they lost their inhibitions about doing that when film cameras became effectively unavailable in the last ten years or so and carried on the practice with digital. -- No fixed Adobe -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 1:15 PM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote: A lot of photography classes still include BW darkroom. In theory, some basics (shutter speed, aperture, exposure, sunny16 ...) are learned better when the student has to understand them without just looking at the little TV on the back of the camera. A bus driver friend has a friend with a daughter in high school. They needed to buy a 35mm film camera, no digital. Dave The school I attended required every first year student to have a medium format camera when I started it back in 2005. When I returned to finish my degree in 2010, first year students were required to have a Canon/Nikon DSLR (so they could use the school's lenses) and the school provided medium format cameras (through equipment check-out) for the students to use in those lessons. Students just had to buy their own film chemistry. My first year we had a materials and processes class that covered the basics the chemistry of film, film processing and printing paper. When I went back, the first year students still had to learn those, but the course now included the chemistry of inks ink jet papers. Plus film is very hip now-a-days. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: student cameras still film?
The students I know that have taken this classes really enjoyed using film and the darkroom work. With so much electronic these days, they rarely get to produce something like that by hand. There's still something magic about the print appearing in the developer tray. On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 1:45 PM, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 1:15 PM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote: A lot of photography classes still include BW darkroom. In theory, some basics (shutter speed, aperture, exposure, sunny16 ...) are learned better when the student has to understand them without just looking at the little TV on the back of the camera. A bus driver friend has a friend with a daughter in high school. They needed to buy a 35mm film camera, no digital. Dave The school I attended required every first year student to have a medium format camera when I started it back in 2005. When I returned to finish my degree in 2010, first year students were required to have a Canon/Nikon DSLR (so they could use the school's lenses) and the school provided medium format cameras (through equipment check-out) for the students to use in those lessons. Students just had to buy their own film chemistry. My first year we had a materials and processes class that covered the basics the chemistry of film, film processing and printing paper. When I went back, the first year students still had to learn those, but the course now included the chemistry of inks ink jet papers. Plus film is very hip now-a-days. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: student cameras still film?
I'm studying part-time at a college equivalent level and they have been all digital here for around five years. I think the darkrooms became extra studio space. According to the lecturers the biggest downside is the loss of the contact sheet. With students shooting hundreds of frames a week the lecturers can only view what the students think is worth seeing and potentially interesting images may get left behind because the student can't see the value in them. With a couple of contact sheets they can see all of the work quite quickly. In every other respect digital makes life easier and the learning quicker, except of course for that whole Photoshop thing. Paul Ewins Melbourne, Australia On 27/09/2012, at 9:48 AM, J.C. O'Connell hifis...@gate.net wrote: I still see film cameras like the K1000 and MX listed for sale as student cameras. Question is are they still using film cameras rather than digital in photography classes in high schools and colleges? Seems like a basic DSLR would be more appropriate in today's day and age. - J.C.O'Connell hifis...@gate.net - -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: student cameras still film?
While my niece was taking photography in high-school (2 years) they gave them 35mm film cameras (I don't know what make). The curriculum was big on old-school methods and basics. They even did stuff like photograms. As far as I know they did not graduate to digital cameras. The niece has one though, as I made sure of that. I very nice K-x. :-) On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 7:48 PM, J.C. O'Connell hifis...@gate.net wrote: I still see film cameras like the K1000 and MX listed for sale as student cameras. Question is are they still using film cameras rather than digital in photography classes in high schools and colleges? Seems like a basic DSLR would be more appropriate in today's day and age. - J.C.O'Connell hifis...@gate.net - -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: student cameras still film?
There are two programs in the school I teach in (http://www.dls-csb.edu.ph); one is a multi-media arts program (MMA) a sort of generic track and a photography specific (AB Photo) program. The MMA has long gone digital but has a black and white photo elective (which I teach). The AB Photo has a Alternative Processing subject which taught salt paper prints, albumen then we recently incorporated black white into it since that is now alternative given that digital is mainstream. There is also large format photography. Right now we are suffering from a shortage of black and white film, our only supplier is Fuji and someone from another school bought the existing 35mm stock (I managed to buy a bulk of the 120). Wet printing is done for demo purposes since the quality of paper we have here is iffy. For final plates and exhibits we go hybrid and scan the negatives. Student film cameras is a sliding issue since most have DSLRs to begin with and may dabble only in film cam for a particular subject (we have Nikon loaners--all in bad shape). Eventually some actually discover film and invest in their own; but in the meantime I have a group of students bringing their Dianas... Bong On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 8:36 AM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: While my niece was taking photography in high-school (2 years) they gave them 35mm film cameras (I don't know what make). The curriculum was big on old-school methods and basics. They even did stuff like photograms. As far as I know they did not graduate to digital cameras. The niece has one though, as I made sure of that. I very nice K-x. :-) On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 7:48 PM, J.C. O'Connell hifis...@gate.net wrote: I still see film cameras like the K1000 and MX listed for sale as student cameras. Question is are they still using film cameras rather than digital in photography classes in high schools and colleges? Seems like a basic DSLR would be more appropriate in today's day and age. - J.C.O'Connell hifis...@gate.net - -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Bong Manayon http://bong.manayon.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: student cameras still film?
We have two sections of film photography each at WL. They use the two 8 person darkrooms. They always fill up. They use a lot of Pentax film camera, two of which I donated. On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 9:29 PM, Bong Manayon bongmana...@gmail.com wrote: There are two programs in the school I teach in (http://www.dls-csb.edu.ph); one is a multi-media arts program (MMA) a sort of generic track and a photography specific (AB Photo) program. The MMA has long gone digital but has a black and white photo elective (which I teach). The AB Photo has a Alternative Processing subject which taught salt paper prints, albumen then we recently incorporated black white into it since that is now alternative given that digital is mainstream. There is also large format photography. Right now we are suffering from a shortage of black and white film, our only supplier is Fuji and someone from another school bought the existing 35mm stock (I managed to buy a bulk of the 120). Wet printing is done for demo purposes since the quality of paper we have here is iffy. For final plates and exhibits we go hybrid and scan the negatives. Student film cameras is a sliding issue since most have DSLRs to begin with and may dabble only in film cam for a particular subject (we have Nikon loaners--all in bad shape). Eventually some actually discover film and invest in their own; but in the meantime I have a group of students bringing their Dianas... Bong On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 8:36 AM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: While my niece was taking photography in high-school (2 years) they gave them 35mm film cameras (I don't know what make). The curriculum was big on old-school methods and basics. They even did stuff like photograms. As far as I know they did not graduate to digital cameras. The niece has one though, as I made sure of that. I very nice K-x. :-) On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 7:48 PM, J.C. O'Connell hifis...@gate.net wrote: I still see film cameras like the K1000 and MX listed for sale as student cameras. Question is are they still using film cameras rather than digital in photography classes in high schools and colleges? Seems like a basic DSLR would be more appropriate in today's day and age. - J.C.O'Connell hifis...@gate.net - -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Bong Manayon http://bong.manayon.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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What gets me about those listings is that they usually over $100 in the Boston area. A 35 year old camera that regularly goes for $125. I stopped looking for Pentax on CL because it's so ridiculous. On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 7:48 PM, J.C. O'Connell hifis...@gate.net wrote: I still see film cameras like the K1000 and MX listed for sale as student cameras. Question is are they still using film cameras rather than digital in photography classes in high schools and colleges? Seems like a basic DSLR would be more appropriate in today's day and age. - J.C.O'Connell hifis...@gate.net - -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- David Parsons Photography http://www.davidparsonsphoto.com Aloha Photographer Photoblog http://alohaphotog.blogspot.com/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
