Re: [PEIRCE-L] [biosemiotics:7042] Re: Natural Propositions, Chapter 3.3

2014-10-14 Thread Benjamin Udell
Jerry, list, Peirce's idea includes the idea that nature tells us things, and that's something that Frederik is getting at in discussing natural propositions. For example, an air sock dances, and that tells us that the air is windy. The idea is that facts and representational relations are

[PEIRCE-L] need guidance

2014-10-14 Thread Asim Raza
List, I am looking for some of the letters that Peirce wrote to James...especially the ones in which he critiques James' understanding of pragmatism. If someone can help me to locate them in Chronological Edition. And if someone can guide me for any secondary work in this regard. Thanks Asim

[PEIRCE-L] Re: More Pragmatism, Not Less

2014-10-14 Thread Jon Awbrey
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Re: [PEIRCE-L] [biosemiotics:7042] Re: Natural Propositions, Chapter 3.3

2014-10-14 Thread Jerry LR Chandler
Ben, List: On Oct 14, 2014, at 8:37 AM, Benjamin Udell wrote: Jerry, list, Peirce's idea includes the idea that nature tells us things, and that's something that Frederik is getting at in discussing natural propositions. For example, an air sock dances, and that tells us that the air is

[PEIRCE-L] Re: More Pragmatism, Not Less

2014-10-14 Thread Gary Richmond
Thanks for catching that typo, Jon. GR *Gary Richmond* *Philosophy and Critical Thinking* *Communication Studies* *LaGuardia College of the City University of New York* *C 745* *718 482-5690* On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 12:44 PM, Jon Awbrey jawb...@att.net wrote: Well, we all love a man in

[PEIRCE-L] Re: More Pragmatism, Not Less

2014-10-14 Thread Jon Awbrey
It's actually one of my favorite stat geek puns, since a Uniform Distribution is a Maximally Uninformed Distribution (MUD). Jon - PEIRCE-L subscribers: Click on Reply List or Reply All to REPLY ON PEIRCE-L to this message. PEIRCE-L posts should go to

[PEIRCE-L] Re: [biosemiotics:7226] Natural Propositions, Chapter 3.10

2014-10-14 Thread Gary Richmond
Gary F., Mary, Ben, lists, Thanks for extracting these important ideas from 3.10, Gary. You first pointed out that when an utterer or interpreter is using a 'system of signs'. . .to convey information, the current circumstances of the utterance. . .[the 'objective context'] are actually an

Re: [PEIRCE-L] [biosemiotics:7226] Natural Propositions, Chapter 3.10

2014-10-14 Thread Clark Goble
On Oct 14, 2014, at 1:21 PM, Gary Richmond gary.richm...@gmail.com wrote: An important point. For now I would only add, perhaps anticipating what is to come in Chapter 6, that we should recall that Peirce says somewhere that the utterer or interpreter need not be a person, but that

Re: [PEIRCE-L] [biosemiotics:7042] Re: Natural Propositions, Chapter 3.3

2014-10-14 Thread Benjamin Udell
Howard, list, I didn't reply to your previous post to me on this general subject, because we're going in circles. What's more, it's become hard to see what you do think. On one hand you argue that such questions as those of realism and nominalism can't ever be settled and that mentioning

[PEIRCE-L] Re: Semiotic Theory Of Information (STOI)

2014-10-14 Thread Jon Awbrey
STOI. Semiotic Theory Of Information 1. http://inquiryintoinquiry.com/2014/10/10/semiotic-theory-of-information-1/ 2. http://inquiryintoinquiry.com/2014/10/11/semiotic-theory-of-information-2/ 3. http://inquiryintoinquiry.com/2014/10/12/semiotic-theory-of-information-3/ 4.

Re: [PEIRCE-L] RE: Natural Propositions, Chapter 3.7 - 3.9

2014-10-14 Thread Tom Gollier
I have to say, I just don't get this idea of real facts from reading Peirce. On the one hand, we have the denotation of the subject, something we all seem to agree on. On the other hand, Peirce describes the signifying of the predicate, in discussing the icon more generally, as: If it [an

Re: [PEIRCE-L] [biosemiotics:7042] Re: Natural Propositions, Chapter 3.3

2014-10-14 Thread Howard Pattee
At 04:07 PM 10/14/2014, Benjamin Udell wrote: On one hand you argue that such questions as those of realism and nominalism can't ever be settled and that mentioning them adds nothing; and on the other hand you argue against realism and call nominalism the best bet. HP: I said no such thing.

RE: [PEIRCE-L] RE: Natural Propositions, Chapter 3.7 - 3.9

2014-10-14 Thread Jeffrey Brian Downard
Lists, Several comments have been made about our contemporary use of the terms 'denotation' and 'connotation'. It might help if we keep in mind that Peirce thought Mill's (mis)use of these terms would likely lead to confusion. As far as I can tell, Peirce was on the mark in his comments