Re: RE: Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Lowell Lecture 1.4

2017-09-30 Thread Edwina Taborsky
No, I'm not saying that at all. What I am saying is that many of us, either often or sometimes, are 'informationally frozen'. Our 'reasoning' functions within a 'bad reasoning', i.e., within degenerate Thirdness, as evinced in the types of 'reasoning' found in that derived

RE: Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Lowell Lecture 1.4

2017-09-30 Thread gnox
Edwina, are you really saying that individual humans are so “informationally closed” that they are incapable of reasoning? Or that the ‘reasoning’ of an individual human cannot involve genuine “Thirdness”? If so, your analysis based on “modal categories” would appear to be very much at odds

Re: Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Lowell Lecture 1.4

2017-09-30 Thread Edwina Taborsky
BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; }The communal might be present but in degenerate form. Remember, there are three modes of Thirdness - and three types of irrational 'Fixation of Belief'; i.e., deriving one's beliefs via Tenacity, A Priori or Authority.

Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Lowell Lecture 1.4

2017-09-30 Thread Stephen C. Rose
Everything does move past the individual to social or community or whatever name we give the living. Because triadic thinking inevitably moves to expression and action there is no way the social element cannot be present in some form. amazon.com/author/stephenrose On Sat, Sep 30, 2017 at 4:40

Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Lowell Lecture 1.4

2017-09-30 Thread Edwina Taborsky
BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; } John, list, I acknowledge your point, but even that rock's reaction involves Thirdness; i.e., the material composition of the rock that defines how it will react to an external force. I think my

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Lowell Lecture 1.4

2017-09-30 Thread John F Sowa
On 9/30/2017 10:54 AM, Edwina Taborsky wrote: Firstness and Secondness [Feeling and Reaction] exist within the individual and, if the process of forming conclusions is confined to these two modes - it is indeed a relativist opinion. It is only within the action of Thirdness that the

Re: RE: [PEIRCE-L] Lowell Lecture 1.4

2017-09-30 Thread Edwina Taborsky
I was referring to the modal categories as operative within the 'reasoning' process. Firstness and Secondness [Feeling and Reaction] exist within the individual and, if the process of forming conclusions is confined to these two modes - it is indeed a relativist opinion. It is only

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Lowell lecture 1.1

2017-09-30 Thread kirstima
Gary, Is it truly possible to just by defining to make oneself into strictly separate parts? An interesting question. Nevertheless, this discussion does not deserve continuation. All your points have become quite clear. With the undertones. Kirsti Gary Richmond kirjoitti 25.9.2017 05:00:

RE: [PEIRCE-L] Lowell Lecture 1.4

2017-09-30 Thread gnox
List, I'm puzzled by Edwina's remarks about "relativism" and Helmut's about "machismo," as I don't see how those comments are related to Peirce's description of "the typical phenomena of controlled action." His emphasis in Lowell 1.3 was on the cycles of formulation, resolution, determination,