Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Logical Depth and Signification

2018-08-01 Thread Mike Bergman
Hi Edwina, I am no arbiter, but does this not contradict your assertions about not attributing motive to others: After all, with your perspective, you would end up assuming that whatever anyone says is meant as the absolute final truth - when, in reality,

Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Logical Depth and Signification

2018-08-01 Thread Edwina Taborsky
BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; }JAS, list You are confusing an individual comment [mine: "no individual can categorically assert that their perspective IS the truth" ] with an assertion that the comment expresses THE TRUTH. This is a logical e

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Logical Depth and Signification

2018-08-01 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
Edwina, List: ET: Therefore, no individual can categorically assert that their perspective IS the truth. At first, this once again appears to be self-defeating; you, as an individual, are categorically asserting that your perspective (on this particular matter) is the truth. However ... ET:

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Logical Depth and Signification

2018-08-01 Thread Mike Bergman
Jon, Edwina, List, Edwina: And from your post - I conclude that not merely 'absolute precision' is impossible, but by that notion, absolute truth is impossible since 'continuous variation subsists'. ..which means - no final Truth.

Re: Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Logical Depth and Signification

2018-08-01 Thread Edwina Taborsky
BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; }JAS, list I am not obliged to insert 'my view' self-reference phrases when I am 'interpreting' someone's personal comments - and I DID insert a self-reference with the phrase "I conclude'. No- I'm not fo

[PEIRCE-L] Re: Logical Depth and Signification

2018-08-01 Thread Edwina Taborsky
BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; }Gary R, list So-" human knowledge, ... consists of linguistically formulated expectations submitted to critical discussion" [Popper. Objective Knowledge, 66] First, it is individuals who engage in critica

Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Logical Depth and Signification

2018-08-01 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
Edwina, List: The denial of absolute truth is self-defeating; to assert that "absolute truth is impossible" is to affirm an absolute truth. I also note for the record that you did not preface that statement with any of the disclaimers that you have been urging upon the rest of us. In any case, o

Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Logical Depth and Signification

2018-08-01 Thread Gary Richmond
Edwina, list, Edwina wrote: "This doesn't mean relativism; it doesn't mean nominalism; it means instead that our 'intellectual conceptions' must be offered as open interpretations by one person, open to questions and different views and not defined as 'the truth'." But it *does*, at least to me

Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Logical Depth and Signification

2018-08-01 Thread Edwina Taborsky
BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; }John, list And from your post - I conclude that not merely 'absolute precision' is impossible, but by that notion, absolute truth is impossible since 'continuous variation subsists'. ..which means - no final Truth

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Logical Depth and Signification

2018-08-01 Thread John F Sowa
On 8/1/2018 4:47 PM, Jon Alan Schmidt wrote: each interpreting Quasi-mind is always in a different state of Experiential Information from any other--including the same Quasi-mind at a different time. Yes. And following is a related quotation by Peirce: The vague might be defined as that to

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Logical Depth and Signification

2018-08-01 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
Gary F., List: While continuing to ponder these matters, it occurred to me that the Immediate Interpretant (Essential Information as the system of Signs) and the Final Interpretant (Substantial Information as the absolute truth) are basically constant for a given Sign. However, the Dynamic Interp

Aw: [PEIRCE-L] RE: peerages

2018-08-01 Thread Helmut Raulien
  Gary F, List, Thank you, Gary, yes it does (clarify). The truth about Peirce is not always clearly to find, because he, as I think good philosophers do, corrected himself sometimes, e.g by replacing his former term "relation" for secondness with "reaction". So, because Peirce lamentably was n