[PEIRCE-L] Re: Sign Relations

2020-06-15 Thread Jon Awbrey
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[PEIRCE-L] Re: Communicating an Idea (was Interpreter-Interpretant and Possible-Actual)

2020-06-15 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
Gary F., Jon A., List: Coincidentally, Peirce wrote a somewhat similar passage thirty years later, in the manuscript whose complete transcription I distributed over the weekend. CSP: [E]very general sign, even a "term," involves, at least, a rudimentary assertion. For what is a "term," or

Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Peirce's Way of Thinking (was Theory and Analysis of Semeiosis)

2020-06-15 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
Edwina, Auke, List: As I have made clear in multiple previous posts, I do not consider the emotional/energetic/logical interpretants to be the same as the immediate/dynamical/final interpretants. On the contrary, in my view these two trichotomies are orthogonal to each

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Communicating An Idea

2020-06-15 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
Gary F., Gary R., List: GF: This approach seems to be supported by Peirce’s remark that “I perform an abduction when I so much as express in a sentence anything I see,” that “Not the smallest advance can be made in knowledge beyond the stage of vacant staring, without making an abduction at

[PEIRCE-L] Re: (Interpreter → Interpretant) and (Possible → Actual)

2020-06-15 Thread Jon Awbrey
Gary, List, I spent the morning sending out a better copy of my last post, but every now and then some perverse gremlin along the way takes exception to unicodes and turns them all to question marks, and it seems the Peirce List software did not cotton to the result at all, so here's a link to

RE: [PEIRCE-L] (Interpreter → Interpretant) and (Possible → Actual)

2020-06-15 Thread gnox
Jon A, list, I was curious about what was omitted by the ellipses in your quotation from Peirce’s Lowell Lecture VII of 1866, and when I turned back a page for the context, decided it might be worthwhile to post the whole passage from W1:465-67 without omissions. For two or three reasons …

Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Peirce's Way of Thinking (was Theory and Analysis of Semeiosis)

2020-06-15 Thread Edwina Taborsky
BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; }With regard to this particular sentence of JAS: "Every sign has a conditionally necessary (final) interpretant, and thus a possible (immediate) interpretant, even if it never has an actual (dynamical)

[PEIRCE-L] (Interpreter → Interpretant) and (Possible → Actual)

2020-06-15 Thread Jon Awbrey
Edwina, Auke, Jon Alan, List ... Just to remind folks of two very old and ever recurring themes: 1. Peirce's locus pragmaticus on the transformation from talking about interpretive agents, whether individuals or communities, and whether animal, vegetable, or mineral, to talking about

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Peirce's Way of Thinking (was Theory and Analysis of Semeiosis)

2020-06-15 Thread Auke van Breemen
Jon Alen, I don't fight your: Moreover, my point continues to be that it is not necessary for something to be actually perceived in order to qualify as a sign. I saw those quotes, but I know the scope of the pragmatism article which is the meaning of intellectual concepts and a quasi mind is

Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Peirce's Way of Thinking (was Theory and Analysis of Semeiosis)

2020-06-15 Thread Edwina Taborsky
BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; }I think there's a confusion here between an Interpretant and an Interpreter. The Interpretant is a basic component of the Sign triad which is, as we know, irreducible. [O-R-I]. There is no additional need for an

RE: [PEIRCE-L] Communicating An Idea

2020-06-15 Thread gnox
Gary R, I think yours is a very astute and context-sensitive way of communicating the idea abduction/retroduction. To a logician, I guess it would make “abduction” a “looser” or more vague term than “retroduction”. Or we might say that abduction is more preconscious than retroduction. This

Aw: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: The Pragmatic Trivium

2020-06-15 Thread Helmut Raulien
    Supplement: At the end of my post I meant "utilitarist maxim", not "universalist maxim". Jerry, List,   I am sure, that waiting for the action of others does not mean not doing and thinking anything while waiting. The professor is talking to young students, so he puts the esteem on them,

Aw: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: The Pragmatic Trivium

2020-06-15 Thread Helmut Raulien
Jerry, List,   I am sure, that waiting for the action of others does not mean not doing and thinking anything while waiting. The professor is talking to young students, so he puts the esteem on them, but he does not superestimate them over his own age group. An esthetical or ethical sign has