Re: [PEIRCE-L] Peirce's Classifications of the Sciences (was Shouldwe start a new email list)

2021-10-18 Thread sowa @bestweb.net
Dear Robert, Bernard, List, Peirce's classifications in R 1345 is complementary to his more widely accepted classification in 1903. Many Peirce scholars have considered the 1903 version as a better developed version that replaces 1345. i admit that I had also accepted that conclusion.

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Theme One • A Program Of Inquiry

2021-10-18 Thread Jon Awbrey
Cf: Theme One Program • Motivation 4 https://inquiryintoinquiry.com/2018/05/20/theme-one-program-motivation-4/ All, From Zipf’s Law and the category of “things that vary inversely to frequency” I got my first brush with the idea that keeping track of usage frequencies is part and parcel of

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Peirce's Classifications of the Sciences (was Should we start a new email list)

2021-10-18 Thread robert marty
Jon, Bernard, List, Two other Classification of Sciences from the MS 1345; *FIRST :* MS1345_004 Part 3. *Encyclopaedia* The first year I would propose to point my masterly Syllabus of Science of which I have given a table of contents. *Contents of Syllabus of Science.* Dividing all science

[PEIRCE-L] Message from the List moderator

2021-10-18 Thread Gary Richmond
Today I was reminded by Ben Udell, the co-manager of Peirce-L, that there were times when Joe Ransdell would suggest a limit on messages sent per day. Because of the flood of messages posted to the List (many regarding the current controversies) we think that it's time to make that suggestion

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Peirce and Post Peirce

2021-10-18 Thread Margaretha Hendrickx
I second Gary's and Jon's comment and would like to use it as an opportunity to further scholarship on the connections between the work of Karl Popper and CSP. Popper introduced what is now called the Three-Worlds Hypothesis. It is a heuristic advising people to carefully reflect on the initial

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Peirce's Classifications of the Sciences (was Should we start a new email list)

2021-10-18 Thread Bernard Morand
JAS, Just a factual remark: When I wrote the two passages that you are quoting below, I was addressing the slides from André as well as the comments for their defense on the list. I was not adressing CSP proper work at all. So you have misread me. Regards BM Le 17/10/2021 à 23:08, Jon

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Should we start a new email list (was Peirce's contributions to the 21st c

2021-10-18 Thread Margaretha Hendrickx
List, It behooves us to stop accusing people of being literalists as if it is *their* problem that they are literalists. Today, there is a wind blowing through the Academy demanding that all of us become literalists when we encounter digital models of the human mind, creating an unhealthy

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Instinct, intuition and semiosis

2021-10-18 Thread Edwina Taborsky
BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; }JAS, list What does 'obvious discrepancies' mean??? The use of different terms? If someone is using the triadic sign, as, eg, Hoffmeyer did, in analyzing what is going on within the 'habits of

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Instinct, intuition and semiosis

2021-10-18 Thread Edwina Taborsky
BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; }JAS But how can YOU be sure that YOUR reading of Peirce is correct? Never mind the Final Interpretant, which isn't the issue here. I'm talking about the Immediate and Dynamic Interpretants - and how can you be

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Should we start a new email list (was Peirce's contributions to the 21st c

2021-10-18 Thread Edwina Taborsky
Claudio - I am equal to anyone else, and therefore, am as 'equipped' [whatever does that mean?] to handle further exploration of Peirce's work in the 21st century. What I expect from the List is that when I post something that does such exploration, I would be met with: 'Yes, that's an

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Instinct, intuition and semiosis

2021-10-18 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
Edwina, List: It has nothing to do with whether Peirce ever used his own analytic framework in a certain way. My basic question is, how do we ascertain whether a particular analytic framework that someone is using to examine the actual world is really *THE* Peircean analytic framework--i.e.,

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Instinct, intuition and semiosis

2021-10-18 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
Edwina, List: As I already explained below, I can never be absolutely certain that my (or anyone else's) understanding of Peirce's writings matches their *final *interpretant, but I can ascertain when someone else's expressed understanding of them is inconsistent with their *immediate*

RE: [PEIRCE-L] Peirce and Post Peirce

2021-10-18 Thread gnox
List, this time my post does address the matter of the subject line. I hope no one will object to using the Peircean (and post-Peircean) semiotic framework to explain how attention to context, or lack of it, can affect communication among people like ourselves: Turning Signs 15: Context and

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Phaneroscopy and the classification of the sciences

2021-10-18 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
John, List: JFS: But by placing normative science after phaneroscopy, he was unable to use normative principles for evaluating interpretations and relations among them. It seems to me that this was quite intentional on Peirce's part. CSP: Philosophy has three grand divisions. The first is

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Should we start a new email list (was Peirce's contributions to the 21st c

2021-10-18 Thread Claudio Guerri
List, Of course, we are post-Peirceans! How could we be pre-Peirceans or even just Peirceans...!!! this pretentious behavior, the gratuitous aggression and the silence of others is the reason way I left writing to the List some years ago "Some *'literalists' *think we should leave the forest as

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Instinct, intuition and semiosis

2021-10-18 Thread Edwina Taborsky
JAS, list Your original reply focused, yet again, on The Text, and seemed to insist on a focus only on text-to-text outlines, ie, where someone 'explains' to us what Peirce 'really meant' in his texts. But I'd still appreciate your thoughts on my basic question -

[PEIRCE-L] Peirce and Post Peirce

2021-10-18 Thread Edwina Taborsky
Gary F, list The reason people take it as an insult is because, on this list, it is used as an insult. It is used - and you use it - to define a post and poster as deviating from The Words and Meaning of Peirce and putting in their own meaning - which is understood as almost

Re: [PEIRCE-L] [CYBCOM] Re: Theme One • A Program Of Inquiry

2021-10-18 Thread Jerry LR Chandler
Jon: This post is so muddled that I gave up on a meaningful scientific interpretation of it. Cheers Jerry > On Oct 17, 2021, at 7:00 AM, Jon Awbrey wrote: > > Cf: Theme One Program • Motivation 1 > https://inquiryintoinquiry.com/2018/05/15/theme-one-program-motivation-1/ > > All, > > The

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Instinct, intuition and semiosis

2021-10-18 Thread Edwina Taborsky
BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; }JAS, list I'd disagree; you do claim to be defining The Peircean analytic framework. Otherwise, how could you justify your comments criticizing others? You don't apply it, admittedly, for you have openly said

RE: [PEIRCE-L] Instinct, intuition and semiosis

2021-10-18 Thread gnox
Jon, List, I am post-Peircean myself, and so is my book. I find it hard to understand why anyone takes that adjective as an insult, whether to themselves or to their theories, unless they are looking for something to take as an insult and an excuse to vent their animosity. My original point

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Theme One • A Program Of Inquiry

2021-10-18 Thread Jon Awbrey
Cf: Theme One Program • Motivation 3 https://inquiryintoinquiry.com/2018/05/19/theme-one-program-motivation-3/ All, Sometime around 1970 John B. Eulenberg came from Stanford to direct Michigan State’s Artificial Language Lab, where I would come to spend many interesting hours hanging out all

Re: [PEIRCE-L] [EXTERNAL] Re: Should we start a new email list (was Peirce's contributions to the 21st c

2021-10-18 Thread JACK ROBERT KELLY CODY
Robert, Gary, List, do you know the collaboration of Claude Lévi-Strauss with the mathematician André Weil about the kinship system of the Murngins ? Hi Robert, I know of it - yet to read it, though. Sounds quite interesting. I take your point re the hierarchy being a mental value, and quite