[PEIRCE-L] Firstness, Secondness, Thirdness

2014-08-27 Thread Edwina Taborsky
I have said that I disagree that all three categorical modes are always present in a triadic Sign. My examples have been taken from the ten classes of signs provided by Peirce (2.254). Therefore, a sign with all three relations in a mode of Firstness or Secondness does exist. Sung asked - how

RE: [PEIRCE-L] Firstness, Secondness, Thirdness

2014-08-27 Thread Michael DeLaurentis
To: Michael DeLaurentis; peirce-l@list.iupui.edu; biosemiot...@lists.ut.ee Subject: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Firstness, Secondness, Thirdness Michael- I'm not sure of your meaning. I think that Thirdness has a vital role to play in maintaining stability and continuity; thus, a key aspect is to inhibit

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Firstness, Secondness, Thirdness

2014-08-27 Thread Sungchul Ji
Edwina, You do not seem to understand my question. Let me repeat it from [biosemiotics:6537], which was in response to your remark that Secondness, after all, is a mode of organization of matter which produces morphologies interacting only within brute action and reaction. There are NO LAWS. My

[PEIRCE-L] Firstness, Secondness, Thirdness

2014-08-26 Thread Edwina Taborsky
Ben, you wrote: You have not explained what is so confining about seeing the sign as a first, object as second, interpretant as third, in a general way. You have not explained how that creates a problem for the sign classes. You have not said whether you agree or disagree with Peirce about

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Firstness, Secondness, Thirdness

2014-08-26 Thread Benjamin Udell
Edwina, list, Responses interleaved. On 8/26/2014 9:14 AM, Edwina Taborsky wrote: [Edwina] Ben, you wrote: [Ben] You have not explained what is so confining about seeing the sign as a first, object as second, interpretant as third, in a general way. You have not explained how that creates a

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Firstness, Secondness, Thirdness

2014-08-26 Thread Edwina Taborsky
1][Ben] You have not explained what is so confining about seeing the sign as a first, object as second, interpretant as third, in a general way. You have not explained how that creates a problem for the sign classes. You have not said whether you agree or disagree with Peirce about whether

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Firstness, Secondness, Thirdness

2014-08-26 Thread Sungchul Ji
Edwina wrote: A category of Firstness can, in no way, be (082614-1) a category of Secondness nor can it be a category of Thirdness. Right, and this is because, as Ben pointed out (and I agreed), all phenomena have three basic aspects -- Firstness, Secondness and Thirdness -- that