RE: [PEIRCE-L] de Waal Seminar: Chapter 5, Semeiotics, or the doctrine of signs

2014-04-07 Thread Gary Fuhrman
Jeffrey, I don't think this is the passage you have in mind, but it seems to be related: CP 4.219 (c. 1897): [[ Briefly to explain myself, then, geometry or rather mathematical geometry, which deals with pure hypotheses, and unlike physical geometry, does not investigate the properties of

RE: [PEIRCE-L] de Waal Seminar: Chapter 5, Semeiotics, or the doctrine of signs

2014-04-07 Thread Jeffrey Brian Downard
From: Jerry LR Chandler [jerry_lr_chand...@mac.com] Sent: Friday, April 04, 2014 10:48 AM To: Peirce List Cc: Vinicius Romanini; Jeffrey Brian Downard Subject: Re: [PEIRCE-L] de Waal Seminar: Chapter 5, Semeiotics, or the doctrine of signs Vinicius, Jeff, Ben

RE: [PEIRCE-L] de Waal Seminar: Chapter 5, Semeiotics, or the doctrine of signs

2014-04-07 Thread Sungchul Ji
, April 05, 2014 3:04 PM To: Jeffrey Brian Downard Cc: Jerry LR Chandler; Peirce List; Vinicius Romanini Subject: RE: [PEIRCE-L] de Waal Seminar: Chapter 5, Semeiotics, or the doctrine of signs (For undistorted Fgirue 1, see the attached.) Jeff wrote: . . . the fundamental elements

RE: [PEIRCE-L] de Waal Seminar: Chapter 5, Semeiotics, or the doctrine of signs

2014-04-07 Thread Jeffrey Brian Downard
: Sungchul Ji [s...@rci.rutgers.edu] Sent: Monday, April 07, 2014 11:23 AM To: Jeffrey Brian Downard Cc: Peirce List Subject: RE: [PEIRCE-L] de Waal Seminar: Chapter 5, Semeiotics, or the doctrine of signs Jeff wrote (040714-1) and (040714-2): . . . I don't believe that I'm using monad, dyad

RE: [PEIRCE-L] de Waal Seminar: Chapter 5, Semeiotics, or the doctrine of signs

2014-04-07 Thread Sungchul Ji
, 2014 11:23 AM To: Jeffrey Brian Downard Cc: Peirce List Subject: RE: [PEIRCE-L] de Waal Seminar: Chapter 5, Semeiotics, or the doctrine of signs Jeff wrote (040714-1) and (040714-2): . . . I don't believe that I'm using monad, dyad and(040714-1) triad to refer to the number of nodes

RE: [PEIRCE-L] de Waal Seminar: Chapter 5, Semeiotics, or the doctrine of signs

2014-04-07 Thread Jeffrey Brian Downard
, April 07, 2014 1:09 PM To: Jeffrey Brian Downard Cc: Sungchul Ji; Peirce List Subject: RE: [PEIRCE-L] de Waal Seminar: Chapter 5, Semeiotics, or the doctrine of signs Jeff asked: Given your way of putting things, let me ask the (040714-3) following question: is there anything

Re: [PEIRCE-L] de Waal Seminar: Chapter 5, Semeiotics, or the doctrine of signs

2014-04-06 Thread Jerry LR Chandler
Jeff, List: (Sung-note message to you below) Your comment is timely as we begin to enter the next session. The question of HOW MANY MEANINGS? may be assigned to a sign is critical from the perspective of trans-disciplinarity. Recall Vinicius's listing of the several meanings of the term

RE: [PEIRCE-L] de Waal Seminar: Chapter 5, Semeiotics, or the doctrine of signs

2014-04-04 Thread Gary Fuhrman
...@gmail.com] Sent: 3-Apr-14 8:09 PM To: peirce-l@list.iupui.edu 1 Subject: Fwd: [PEIRCE-L] de Waal Seminar: Chapter 5, Semeiotics, or the doctrine of signs Gary F., list Thanks for transcribing this excerpt. I wish I had the time to transcript the whole MS. If you do or find

RE: [PEIRCE-L] de Waal Seminar: Chapter 5, Semeiotics, or the doctrine of signs

2014-04-04 Thread Gary Fuhrman
Seminar: Chapter 5, Semeiotics, or the doctrine of signs Vinicius, This is such a beautiful, clear explanation of Peirce's theory of perception. Thank you so much! In return, I attach some material from what I have now written on the matter, in case it is of interest to anyone. Cheers

RE: [PEIRCE-L] de Waal Seminar: Chapter 5, Semeiotics, or the doctrine of signs

2014-04-04 Thread Jeffrey Brian Downard
: [PEIRCE-L] de Waal Seminar: Chapter 5, Semeiotics, or the doctrine of signs Vinicius, Jeff, Ben: (This post is a bit on the technical side. Do not have time today to make it simpler with longer explanations of the categories of exact relations mentioned in this text.) A simple interpretation

RE: [PEIRCE-L] de Waal Seminar: Chapter 5, Semeiotics, or the doctrine of signs

2014-04-03 Thread Jeffrey Brian Downard
...@gmail.com] Sent: 1-Apr-14 4:57 PM To: Gary Fuhrman Cc: Peirce List Subject: Re: [PEIRCE-L] de Waal Seminar: Chapter 5, Semeiotics, or the doctrine of signs Gary, Very quickly: Assuming that we are talking about symbols (concepts, terms, propositions, assertions, arguments etc) I agree

Fwd: [PEIRCE-L] de Waal Seminar: Chapter 5, Semeiotics, or the doctrine of signs

2014-04-03 Thread Vinicius Romanini
Gary F., list Thanks for transcribing this excerpt. I wish I had the time to transcript the whole MS. If you do or find a transcription, please send me! You comment on my claim: What he says here about the weathercock is: 1) If it works properly, it is an index involving an icon, and a

Re: [PEIRCE-L] de Waal Seminar: Chapter 5, Semeiotics, or the doctrine of signs

2014-04-03 Thread Vinicius Romanini
Jeff, list Jeff said: Having taken a look at MS 7, I'd like to ask a quick question about the first assertion. What is Vinicius claiming when he says that icons don't *enter* our concepts as such? Looking at page 15 of the MS, I see Peirce saying the following: An icon cannot be a

Re: [PEIRCE-L] de Waal Seminar: Chapter 5, Semeiotics, or the doctrine of signs

2014-04-03 Thread Vinicius Romanini
Cathy, list Cathy: This post is on the matter of how a sign operates, specifically the dynamic object. Just to complicate the discussion a little more, there is a previously unpublished piece by Joe Ransdell on this matter in the upcoming special edition of the Transactions dedicated to him

Re: [PEIRCE-L] de Waal Seminar: Chapter 5, Semeiotics, or the doctrine of signs

2014-04-03 Thread Frank Ransom
Gary, Vinicius, List, Sorry that I haven't replied sooner; I was busy with working up my response to Jon's posts -- deceptively small posts, I should say. In this post I'll respond to Gary. I'll be responding to Vinicius's posts separately, which responding will probably not come today since

Re: [PEIRCE-L] de Waal Seminar: Chapter 5, Semeiotics, or the doctrine of signs

2014-04-02 Thread Vinicius Romanini
] *Verzonden:* woensdag 2 april 2014 15:41 *Aan:* 'Peirce List' *Onderwerp:* RE: [PEIRCE-L] de Waal Seminar: Chapter 5, Semeiotics, or the doctrine of signs Vinicius, My previous message was inspired by the kind of thing Peirce says in the New Elements essay of 1904: [[ Every sign

[PEIRCE-L] de Waal Seminar: Chapter 5, Semeiotics, or the doctrine of signs

2014-03-29 Thread Vinicius Romanini
Jeff, list Jeff says: I'm wondering what textual evidence you have for thinking the dynamical object should be understood primarily or solely as something that operates as an efficient cause. I tend to think that much depends upon the character of the dynamical object we're talking about and

Re: [PEIRCE-L] de Waal Seminar: Chapter 5, Semeiotics, or the doctrine of signs

2014-03-29 Thread Edwina Taborsky
and energetic; and the final, can be emotional, energetic and logical. Edwina - Original Message - From: Vinicius Romanini To: peirce-l@list.iupui.edu 1 Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2014 11:51 AM Subject: Re: [PEIRCE-L] de Waal Seminar: Chapter 5, Semeiotics, or the doctrine of signs

Re: [PEIRCE-L] de Waal Seminar: Chapter 5, Semeiotics, or the doctrine of signs

2014-03-26 Thread Vinicius Romanini
Dear Gary R., list Thanks for your thoughts, Gary R. Commenting on what I wrote, you said: * V: Besides that, a sign might have several objects (or a complex object), but I don't see how an object cannot give rise to several signs. * Gary: As I read the snippet from Kees' chapter, he is not

Re: [PEIRCE-L] de Waal Seminar: Chapter 5, Semeiotics, or the doctrine of signs

2014-03-26 Thread Benjamin Udell
Vinicius, Gary R., Kees, list, I agree with Gary about the role of purpose in interpretation. Vinicius does, however, seem to allow of it in connection with the final interpretant, and to wish merely that Kees had somehow put it into those terms. On the other hand, I think Vinicius underplays

RE: [PEIRCE-L] de Waal Seminar: Chapter 5, Semeiotics, or the doctrine of signs

2014-03-26 Thread Jeffrey Brian Downard
Professor Department of Philosophy NAU (o) 523-8354 From: Benjamin Udell [bud...@nyc.rr.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2014 8:58 AM To: peirce-l@list.iupui.edu Subject: Re: [PEIRCE-L] de Waal Seminar: Chapter 5, Semeiotics, or the doctrine of signs Vinicius

Re: [PEIRCE-L] de Waal Seminar: Chapter 5, Semeiotics, or the doctrine of signs

2014-03-24 Thread Cornelis de Waal
...@nyc.rr.com Cc: peirce-l@list.iupui.edu 1 peirce-l@list.iupui.edu Subject: Re: [PEIRCE-L] de Waal Seminar: Chapter 5, Semeiotics, or the doctrine of signs Wrench. That makes more sense. Thanks, Ben! Best, Vinicius 2014-03-24 14:14 GMT-04:00 Benjamin Udell bud...@nyc.rr.com: Vinicius