Re: [PEIRCE-L] Am I Wrong

2014-10-03 Thread Stephen C. Rose
Interesting you mention Searle. I tangled a bit with him, using my alter-ego fictional character Adam Panflick to have the following conversation with him back in 2008. Adam Panflick Converses With John Searle | Stephen C. Rose http://buff.ly/1pLecpZ *@stephencrose

[PEIRCE-L] Natural Propositions, Chapter 3.5

2014-10-03 Thread Gary Fuhrman
Section 3.5 of NP takes up The Indexical Side of Dicisigns by first showing the importance of (and the more recent terminology for) Peirce's advances in the algebra of logic which made it possible to separate the subject and predicate parts of the proposition, and thus the indexical and iconic

[PEIRCE-L] Re: Natural Propositions, Chapter 3.5

2014-10-03 Thread Jon Awbrey
Gary, List, Pragmatic objects are intentional objects. Jon http://inquiryintoinquiry.com http://inquiryintoinquiry.com On Oct 3, 2014, at 11:48 AM, Gary Fuhrman g...@gnusystems.ca wrote: Section 3.5 of NP takes up “The Indexical Side of Dicisigns” by first showing the importance of (and

RE: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Natural Propositions, Chapter 3.5

2014-10-03 Thread Gary Fuhrman
Jon, So? From: Jon Awbrey [mailto:jawb...@att.net] Sent: 3-Oct-14 12:21 PM Gary, List, Pragmatic objects are intentional objects. Jon - PEIRCE-L subscribers: Click on Reply List or Reply All to REPLY ON PEIRCE-L to this message. PEIRCE-L

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Theories and Realism (was Natural Propositions)

2014-10-03 Thread Benjamin Udell
Sungchul, I lack the background in math and physics and other sciences to make any serious assessment of your conjectures about the recurrence of Planck-like distributions in various fields. From what I've read or skimmed over the years, I'd say that most likenesses among distributions turn

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Natural Propositions • Selected Passages

2014-10-03 Thread Sungchul Ji
Jon Trying to comprehend triadic relations by means of their projective trichotomies is a project ultimately doomed to fail. A couple of concrete examples would help in understanding what you mean by the doomed failure you are referring to. With all the best. Sung

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Natural Propositions • Selected Passages

2014-10-03 Thread Sungchul Ji
Ben, Jeff, Jon, lists, 1) Can we say that there can be many triads, depending one how one defines them, but the Peircean triad is special and identical with a mathematical category ? 2) Triad is a system of three entities, while trichotomy is the process of dividing a system into three parts,

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Natural Propositions . Selected Passages

2014-10-03 Thread Benjamin Udell
Sungchul, list I know next to nothing about category theory. Most generally a triad is a trio. A predicate is called triadic if it is predicated of three objects like so: /Pxyz/. In Peirce's system a genuine triad is one involving irreducibly triadic action, called semiosis, among three

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Theories and Realism (was Natural Propositions)

2014-10-03 Thread Clark Goble
On Oct 3, 2014, at 5:41 AM, Sungchul Ji s...@rci.rutgers.edu wrote: This conclusion seems consistent with the postulate I proposed in 2012 that the wave-particle complementarity operates not only in physics, but also in biology and semiotics (see Table 2.13 in the chapter entitled

RE: [PEIRCE-L] Natural Propositions, Chapter 3.5

2014-10-03 Thread Jeffrey Brian Downard
Hi Gary F., What is the difference between saying that every dicisign involves an intention, and saying that every dicisign involves (or is somehow related to) a purpose? My untutored assumption is that 'purpose' is the more general term, and the word 'intention' refers to a species of

[PEIRCE-L] Peirce QM

2014-10-03 Thread Clark Goble
I don’t have much to say on Peirce and QM. Although I have the following quote in my notes that might be of interest. I’m not sure it’s fair to say that Peirce is anticipating QM in this although there clearly are some interesting parallels. . . . Let us next consider how a state of

[PEIRCE-L] Re: Natural Propositions • Selected Passages

2014-10-03 Thread Jon Awbrey
Thread: JA:http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.science.philosophy.peirce/14286 JA:http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.science.philosophy.peirce/14290 GF:http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.science.philosophy.peirce/14313 JA:http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.science.philosophy.peirce/14350

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Natural Propositions . Selected Passages

2014-10-03 Thread Clark Goble
On Oct 3, 2014, at 12:20 PM, Benjamin Udell bud...@nyc.rr.com wrote: On 10/3/2014 2:04 PM, Sungchul Ji wrote: Ben, Jeff, Jon, lists, 1) Can we say that there can be many triads, depending one how one defines them, but the Peircean triad is special and identical with a mathematical

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Natural Propositions, Chapter 3.5

2014-10-03 Thread Clark Goble
On Oct 3, 2014, at 12:30 PM, Jeffrey Brian Downard jeffrey.down...@nau.edu wrote: Perhaps we should distinguish between different ways that the word 'intention' is used in Peirce's texts. There is the common meaning that is expressed when I say, for instance, that my intention in

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Natural Propositions . Selected Passages

2014-10-03 Thread Benjamin Udell
Clark, list, Sowa's note was forwarded to peirce-l by Gary Richmond as a comment on Anellis's earlier peirce-l post on April 30, 2006 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.science.philosophy.peirce/709 which said the following: [Quote Anellis] I had earlier noted that, in going back to

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Natural Propositions . Selected Passages

2014-10-03 Thread Sungchul Ji
Ben, list, It is my understanding that the mathematical category is another name for semiosis. In other words, a category is to mathematicians hat semiosis is to semioticians. To quote Peirce from http://www.iupui.edu/~arisbe/rsources/76DEFS/76defs.HTM: A sign is anything, A, which, (1) in

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Natural Propositions • Selected Passages

2014-10-03 Thread Sungchul Ji
Jon, I am afraid your answer is as incomprehensible to me as was your original remark that prompted my question. With all the best. Sung Thread: JA:http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.science.philosophy.peirce/14286 JA:http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.science.philosophy.peirce/14290

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Natural Propositions, Chapter 3.5

2014-10-03 Thread Clark Goble
On Oct 3, 2014, at 2:28 PM, Gary Fuhrman g...@gnusystems.ca wrote: I wasn't referring to intentionality in the sense of aboutness, or to the scholastic ideas of first and second intentions; I guess it's tautologically true that informational signs must involve intentions in that sense.

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Natural Propositions . Selected Passages

2014-10-03 Thread Sungchul Ji
(Sorry if the figure gets distorted.) Clark quoted Sowa as having said that There are other developments, such as DNA and Heisenberg's(100314-1) uncertainty principle in quantum mechanics, which are much closer to themes that Peirce had discussed. Those could be considered support for

[PEIRCE-L] Re: Natural Propositions • Selected Passages

2014-10-03 Thread Jon Awbrey
Peircers, The more I pondered the first two quotations from the Syllabus that Frederik cited in Chapter 3.4, the more I felt compelled to study that part of the text in detail, and I eventually copied out a longer extract from EP 2, 275–277, taking that over the comparable but editorially