[PEIRCE-L] RE: [biosemiotics:7218] Re: Natural meaning

2014-10-12 Thread Gary Fuhrman
Howard, Stephen, I think it would be more accurate to say that meaning is *recreated* by the interpreting agent. In other words, the interpretant is a sign, but not just any sign arbitrarily invented by the interpreter. In order to be meaningful, it has to carry forward the functioning of the

[PEIRCE-L] Interpreters and Interpretants

2014-10-12 Thread Jon Awbrey
Re: Howard Pattee At: http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.science.philosophy.peirce/14669 Howard, List, Peirce's classic statement about the relationship between interpreters and interpretants is a topic I discussed somewhat playfully here:

Re: [PEIRCE-L] RE: [biosemiotics:7218] Re: Natural meaning

2014-10-12 Thread Stephen C. Rose
If you have ever preached you will remember times when your statements are remembered by an enthusiast who repeats to you what you said, implying a meaning. Often not what you meant. I think meaning must be seen to be in the eye of the beholder with only scant (if that) reference to what was

Re: [PEIRCE-L] RE: [biosemiotics:7218] Re: Natural meaning

2014-10-12 Thread Benjamin Udell
Stephen, lists, People sometimes misinterpret a speaker, but this is partly because the communication system is not even structured to be purely the kind toward which Shannon's communication theory was mainly oriented - a system with rigid pre-established code and so on. Sometimes

Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] More Pragmatism, Not Less

2014-10-12 Thread Stephen C. Rose
The origins of universalism are interesting. An unfamiliar but to me the most relevant source is English universalism propounded by an obscure cleric called James Relly. John Murray brought universalism to America and the church eventually lost all of its original meaning by merging with the

Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] More Pragmatism, Not Less

2014-10-12 Thread Edwina Taborsky
Stephen - it's called The Declaration of Independence, July 4, 1776, and states that We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Event, WAS Re: Natural Propositions, Chapter 3.8

2014-10-12 Thread Benjamin Udell
Mary, list, Those are excellent quotes from Peirce. The Critic of Arguments: 2. The Reader is Introduced to Relatives was published in _The Open Court_ No. 268 (Vol. VI—41), October 13, 1892 http://books.google.com/books?id=6qzQMAAJpg=PA3415 and reprinted in CP 3.415-424. The word

Re: [PEIRCE-L] More Pragmatism, Not Less

2014-10-12 Thread Eugene Halton
I read David Brooks’ piece in the New York Times, and have had a long term interest in pragmatism and in the work of Lewis Mumford. I actually discuss Mumford’s essay described by Brooks in my book,* Bereft of Reason*, on page 147 forward. I find the both the letter to the New York Times from

Re: [PEIRCE-L] More Pragmatism, Not Less

2014-10-12 Thread Gary Richmond
Gene Halton wrote: I find the both the letter to the New York Times from Joseph Esposito and Gary R's claim that Brooks misused Mumford uninformed and misguided and yet you continue, Gene, that Mumford's allowance of the emotions was closer to Peirce's outlook, and in that sense Brooks's