ledge/experience...to result in an interpretant/output. But this
> interpretant need not have a specific name. We don't think in words but in
> images or connections.
>
> Edwina Taborsky
>
>
>
> - Original Message -----
> *From:* Gary Moore
> *To:* Frank Ranso
retant need not have a specific name. We
don't think in words but in images or connections.
Edwina Taborsky
- Original Message -
From: Gary Moore
To: Frank Ransom ; peirce-l@list.iupui.edu 1
Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2014 3:21 PM
Subject: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: De Waa
PEIRCE AND PLATONISM
Absolutely excellent, Doctor Fuhrman! Peirce’s “objective
idealism” actually corresponds very much to Plato – and Platonism - as a “found
object”, that is, taking in all the nit-picking details that most people count
as contradictions to “their” perfect Ideal of Plato and Plato
ose. A transcendentalist
> would claim that it is an indispensable “presupposition” that there is an
> ascertainable true answer to every intelligible question. I used to talk
> like that, myself; for when I was a babe in philosophy my bottle was filled
> from the udders of Kant. But by this time
List -
In a 6/21 post Jeff D. cites 6.287, 6.295 and 6.303 to suggest
Peirce's argument that "the principle of love has priority in his
metaphysical explanations of the evolution of order in the cosmos".
Gary F. (6/22), taking the argument as appealing for its weight to
strong feeling and
belief in God was not transcendentalist in that sense, as far as I
> can see.
>
> gary f.
>
> } The most precious thing in life is its uncertainty. [Kenko] {
> www.gnusystems.ca/gnoxic.htm }{ gnoxics
>
> From: Matt Faunce [mailto:mattfau...@gmail.com]
> Sent: 24-Jun-14 10:09 PM
uncertainty. [Kenko] {
<http://www.gnusystems.ca/gnoxic.htm> www.gnusystems.ca/gnoxic.htm }{ gnoxics
From: Matt Faunce [mailto:mattfau...@gmail.com]
Sent: 24-Jun-14 10:09 PM
To: peirce-l@list.iupui.edu
Cc: Jon Awbrey
Subject: [PEIRCE-L] Re: De Waal Seminar Chapter 9 : Section on God ; Scienc
Matt, List,
Many distractions and errands today and I know I missed some previous comments but it's way past my
bedtime so I'll just take this message off the top and make the briefest reply.
Realism is not to be conflated with absolutism, where absolutism in the logical sense means that
mona
Matt, list,
Peirce briefly outlined his objection to James's 'will to believe',
'right to believe,' etc., in "A Neglected Argument for the Reality of
God" where he characterizes it as "willing not to exert the will."
http://www.gnusystems.ca/CSPgod.htm#na0
As far as I can tell, exactly two m
Let me restate that less sloppily. It appears to me that Peirce's belief in
realism with the fixed esthetic ideal, and rejection of relativism started with
his personal inclination for realism, and only later after he developed his
philosophy was he able to show that his realism is more coherent
the spirit of Plato from the flesh of
Scholastic Realism. And the Timaeus
is allegory or parable, so it has to
be taken with a grain of hermeneutic
salt, to my taste, anyway.
Jon
Edwina Taborsky wrote:
Yes, that's a very good comment - Plato's demiurge who was a 'master
craftsman'
n
>>> the fact that Peirce rejected Platonic Forms; he was an Aristotelian -
>>> and
>>> the 'form' of the matter was never, in Aristotle, separate from that
>>> matter,
>>> whereas for Plato, it existed as a pure ideal.
>>>
>>
Jon, List,
This bothers me. It appears to me that Peirce invoked this right to will to
believe for his belief that reason reaches toward a fixed esthetic end.
Can you, or someone, point me toward Peirce's thoughts on James's Will to
Believe, or any of his concepts that are contrary to it?
Matt
a demiurge, i.e., an agent controlling the Forms and using
>> them in moulding matter - would be rejected by Peirce whereas it was
>> accepted within Plato's outline. After all, Peirce's 'Mind' or Thirdness
>> or
>> habits-of-organization, are evolving
24, 2014 11:26 AM
Subject: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: De Waal Seminar Chapter 9 : Section on God ;
Science and Religion
Edwina wrote (062414-1) and (062414-2):
"This order and organization is obvious - as(062414-1)
Peirce pointed out."
"He attributed it to
To: "Edwina Taborsky"
Cc: "Jon Awbrey" ; "Matt Faunce" ;
Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2014 11:53 AM
Subject: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: De Waal Seminar Chapter 9 : Section on God ;
Science and Religion
Edwina wrote:
"After all, Peirce's 'Mind' or Thir
wrote:
>>> Yes, that's a very good comment - Plato's demiurge who was a 'master
>>> craftsman' using the Pure Forms to create matter. And yes, Peirce did
>>> indeed reject Platonism is all its forms - both the ideal Forms and the
>>> metaphy
o the next generation. Therefore, this
> 'imperious inner demand' is based on the particular needs of our
> species. We MUST explore and learn 'what is the nature of the
> environment' because we have no innate knowledge. There is no
> mysterious 'inner demand
PM, "Edwina Taborsky" wrote:
>
> Matt - who is barring you from having your own beliefs! I am certainly not
> doing so. I am merely outlining MY opinion.
>
> Edwina
> - Original Message -----
> From: Matt Faunce
> To:
> Sent: Monday, June 23, 2014 6:3
Matt - who is barring you from having your own beliefs! I am certainly not
doing so. I am merely outlining MY opinion.
Edwina
- Original Message -
From: Matt Faunce
To:
Sent: Monday, June 23, 2014 6:39 PM
Subject: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: De Waal Seminar Chapter 9 : Section on
Sorry. Thats twice i accidentally hit the send button.
> I wrote:
>> I see no reason to bar my will to believe that the explanation may lie in
>> part in what is currently occult. And I'll even add to that that it may be
>> the nature of the relation of the occult to us that the occult will al
I wrote:
> I see no reason to bar my will to believe that the explanation may lie in
> part in what is currently occult. And I'll even add to that that it may be
> the nature of the relation of the occult to us that the occult will always
> remain occult. (Peirce would scoff at that addition on
and therefore, operate within matter
> and not by some external agent's Will.
>
>
> Edwina
>
> - Original Message - From: "Jon Awbrey"
> To: "Edwina Taborsky"
> Cc: "Matt Faunce" ;
> Sent: Monday, June 23, 2014 5:50 PM
>
> Su
a 'master
craftsman' using the Pure Forms to create matter. And yes, Peirce did
indeed reject Platonism is all its forms - both the ideal Forms and the
metaphysical Master Craftsman.
Edwina
- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Awbrey"
To: "Matt Faunce"
Cc:
Sent
tonism is all its forms - both the ideal Forms and the
metaphysical Master Craftsman.
Edwina
- Original Message - From: "Jon Awbrey"
To: "Matt Faunce"
Cc:
Sent: Monday, June 23, 2014 5:16 PM
Subject: [PEIRCE-L] Re: De Waal Seminar Chapter 9 : Section on God ;
s Thirdness).
And yes, I consider that many of the comments claiming that 'God exists' are
based on arguments of tenacity and authority.
Edwina
- Original Message -
From: Matt Faunce
To: Edwina Taborsky
Cc:
Sent: Monday, June 23, 2014 5:04 PM
Subject: Re: [
ge -
From: "Jon Awbrey"
To: "Matt Faunce"
Cc:
Sent: Monday, June 23, 2014 5:16 PM
Subject: [PEIRCE-L] Re: De Waal Seminar Chapter 9 : Section on God ; Science
and Religion
Matt, List,
I was minded more of Plato's demiurge
than James' will to believe, a
Matt, List,
I was minded more of Plato's demiurge
than James' will to believe, a notion
on which Peirce looked rather askance,
if I recall correctly ...
Jon
Matt Faunce wrote:
Here is William James in his lecture Is Life Worth Living? on the urge y'all are speaking of.
"Is it not sheer dogma
I wrote:
>Your insult to us is that you say we who reject your conclusion and still…
To clarify, I accept the contents of your explanation as playing a part, but I
reject it as the exclusive role.
Matt
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> nature of the environment' because we have no innate knowledge. There is no
> mysterious 'inner demand'; nor is there a demand for 'ideal harmonies' but
> instead - for 'what works here', i.e., for pragmatic results.
>
> Matt: That's it? You're co
t I said, Matt. To just move into a
personal insult is a 'cop-out' in a discussion. So - point out my lack of
knowledge!
Matt
- Original Message -
From: Matt Faunce
To: peirce-l@list.iupui.edu
Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2014 9:23 PM
Subject: Re:
r is there a demand for 'ideal harmonies' but instead - for
> 'what works here', i.e., for pragmatic results.
That's it? You're convinced you've explained the whole situation? Edwina, you
don't even know half of what you've claimed to explain.
Matt
> -
n. Therefore, this 'imperious inner demand' is based on the
> particular needs of our species. We MUST explore and learn 'what is the
> nature of the environment' because we have no innate knowledge. There is no
> mysterious 'inner demand'; nor is th
rks here', i.e., for
pragmatic results.
Edwina
- Original Message -----
From: Matt Faunce
To: peirce-l@list.iupui.edu
Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2014 9:23 PM
Subject: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: De Waal Seminar Chapter 9 : Section on God ;
Science and Religion
Here is William
Here is William James in his lecture Is Life Worth Living? on the urge y'all
are speaking of.
"Is it not sheer dogmatic folly to say that our inner interests can have no
real connection with the forces that the hidden world may contain? In other
cases divinations based on inner interests have
Eternal Return All Over Again ...
cf. http://inquiryintoinquiry.com/2013/06/01/wherefore-aught/
Jon
Gary Richmond wrote:
List,
And that *urge* which the poets point to (see Jon's and Eugene's posts),
that *creative urge,* is not, as I see, only a matter of creation within
the world once the c
List,
And that *urge* which the poets point to (see Jon's and Eugene's posts),
that *creative urge,* is not, as I see, only a matter of creation within
the world once the cosmos has itself been brought into being, but that urge
brings into being the very cosmos itself. That is, it's not just a mat
cf. Walt Whitman
Urge and urge and urge,
Always the procreant urge of the world.
— Walt Whitman, ''Leaves of Grass'', p.28
cited here:
http://intersci.ss.uci.edu/wiki/index.php/Differential_Logic_and_Dynamic_Systems_2.0#Example_1._A_Square_Rigging
Jon
Eugene Halton wrote:
>
Perhaps it might
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