[peirce-l] Re: NEW ELEMENTS: So what is it all about?

2006-05-08 Thread Benjamin Udell
Dear Jim, list, One thing is that I wouldn't underrate the importance of the conception of resistance/reaction -- I wouldn't replace it with location. Location has a lot to do with resistance and reaction! Space, shortest distances, straight lines, least action, fields, -- there's quite a set o

[peirce-l] Re: Entelechy

2006-05-08 Thread Janet Singer
Title: [peirce-l] Re: Entelechy Gary -- Are you familiar with the work of Floyd Merrell? Your characterization of your own work brings his to mind. To quote from a review of three of Merrell's books by Robert E. Innis (review available in the archives of the Semiotic Review of Books at http://ww

[peirce-l] Re: NEW ELEMENTS: So what is it all about?

2006-05-08 Thread Benjamin Udell
Gary F, Jim, list, Thank you for having plowed through my posts! I'm gratified to read that they make sense to you. I don't actually mind being tuckered out by my own posts, but I know that people have more things to do than read my posts. Gary wrote, > This seems tantalizingly close to a con

[peirce-l] PLEASE DON'T OPEN ATTACHMENTS

2006-05-08 Thread Neal Bruss
PLEASE DON'T OPEN ANYTHING ATTACHED TO THIS E-MAIL. I'LL STAY OFF THE LISTSERVE UNTIL I CAN TRACK DOWN A POSSIBLE VIRUS IN THE SYSTEMS I WORK WITH. NEAL -Original Message- From: Benjamin Udell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Mon 5/8/2006 4:54 PM To: Peirce Discussion Forum Cc:

[peirce-l] Re: NEW ELEMENTS: So what is it all about?

2006-05-08 Thread Benjamin Udell
Jerry, Your thumbnail sketch of chemical logic seems clear to me, and my memories from long-ago high-school chemistry fit with it. The striking thing to a gawker like me who knows very little about chemistry is those symbols, and it's encouraging to one's intuition to be reassured that chemist

[peirce-l] RE: Entelechy

2006-05-08 Thread Neal Bruss
Kirsti, There wasn't an attachment--what you must have seen is how one of my browsers (Safari or Firefox, whichever I used) represents a reply to a previous e-mail. Sorry. NB -Original Message- From: Kirsti Määttänen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Mon 5/8/2006 1:51 PM To: Pe

[peirce-l] RE: Entelechy

2006-05-08 Thread gnusystems
Kirsti, it's good that you couldn't open the attachment -- according to my software it contained a virus (the worm Mydoom.O). Neal doesn't mention it in the message itself, so i'd bet he didn't even know it was attached when he sent it. Neal, better check your system -- gary - Ori

[peirce-l] RE: Entelechy

2006-05-08 Thread Kirsti Määttänen
Neal, I didn't succeed in opening your attachment. Could you possibly copy it and send it as a mail? Kirsti 7.5.2006 kello 23:09, Neal Bruss kirjoitti: . . . and notice how the first two clauses of the passage link "entelechy" with the Peirce's freuqent turn to grammar in his logic, and,

[peirce-l] Re: NEW ELEMENTS: So what is it all about?

2006-05-08 Thread gnusystems
Ben, Jim, &c., [[ Signs are built into complex signs and it wouldn't be helpful to have a level of internal structure where semiotics must dispense with its usual conceptions in order to reach. ]] Having thought it through further, i think what you say here makes more sense than what i said ea

[peirce-l] Re: Entelechy

2006-05-08 Thread Vin�cius
List, I think the best definition of Entelechy given by Peirce, done in terms of Semeiosis, can be found in his definition of "Perfect Sign" (EP2: 545, n.25). Best, ViniciusKirsti M¨¨tt¨nen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Gary, Wilfred et al.Gary wrote:> I'm still trying to get a firmer grip on t

[peirce-l] Re: Entelechy

2006-05-08 Thread Kirsti Määttänen
Gary, Wilfred et al. Gary wrote: I'm still trying to get a firmer grip on the concept of "entelechy" myself, but the best definition i can offer at the moment is "the end product of a completed process." Yes, that's a good definition. Keeping in mind Peircean idea of meaning as something having

[peirce-l] Re: Entelechy

2006-05-08 Thread gnusystems
Janet, [[ Is entelechy the same as final cause to Aristotle or are they just related concepts? ]] My understanding is that the entelechy is an entity, while the final cause is not. If we could map a process onto a sentence, the entelechy would correspond to a noun while the final cause would b