RE: RE: RE: RE: [biosemiotics:9293] [PEIRCE-L] Re: Systems theory, DNA entanglement, agents and semiosis

2018-12-08 Thread Stephen Jarosek
HELMUT >”… knowing how to be is replication of behaviour, and a synthesis of assuming and imitating. I dont see the difference between that and NPCish groupthink” There is a difference. My reference to assimitating is in the context of knowing how to be, which revolves around the question “what

Aw: RE: RE: RE: [biosemiotics:9293] [PEIRCE-L] Re: Systems theory, DNA entanglement, agents and semiosis

2018-12-08 Thread Helmut Raulien
Stephen, you earlier wrote, that knowing how to be is replication of behaviour, and a synthesis of assuming and imitating. I dont see the difference between that and NPCish groupthink: Replication of behaviour to me seems exactly what you wrote about groupthink: A degenerated firstness, just

Aw: Re: RE: RE: RE: [biosemiotics:9293] [PEIRCE-L] Re: Systems theory, DNA entanglement, agents and semiosis

2018-12-08 Thread Helmut Raulien
Edwina, list,   I see. I think, there are two different meanings of "culture": First, culture as a value, in contrast to groupthink, and second, culture as a specification that distinguishes one culture from other cultures. The first meaning of culture includes what you wrote (firstness chance

Re: Aw: RE: RE: RE: [biosemiotics:9293] [PEIRCE-L] Re: Systems theory, DNA entanglement, agents and semiosis

2018-12-08 Thread Edwina Taborsky
Helmut, list There IS a difference between 'groupthink' and 'culture' though a cursory glance will equate them. Both refer to habits of belief and behaviour, I.e., 3ns. The difference, I think, is that 'groupthink' has removed itself from interaction with both 1ns and 2ns and

Aw: RE: RE: RE: RE: [biosemiotics:9293] [PEIRCE-L] Re: Systems theory, DNA entanglement, agents and semiosis

2018-12-08 Thread Helmut Raulien
Stephen, the way you put it, I completely agree. So what was it we were disagreeing about? Maybe only, how to define the term "culture"? The non-groupthink part of knowing how to be, is it "assuming"? It has two meanings: Does it mean to presume or to adopt, or both? I guess it is to presume,

RE: [PEIRCE-L] Another Perspective on 'Quasi-Mind'

2018-12-08 Thread gnox
Gary R, Jon, list, Gary, to answer your question first: If matter corresponds to 1ns in this selection, what corresponds to 2ns seems to be experience, or perhaps more specifically, experience of the unfamiliar. Or we might say that 2ns is the force of determination. Read the whole selection

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Another Perspective on 'Quasi-Mind'

2018-12-08 Thread Eugene Halton
John characterized Aristotle: “5. Rational psyche of an animal having logos (zôon logon echein). Each psyche inherits all the abilities of the more primitive psyches. For Aristotle, the rational psyche of humans is the most advanced.” I prefer “Rational psyche of an animal having