[PEN-L:1417] Re: Passing the buck

1998-09-03 Thread Rob Schaap
Tom writes: If the FRB does the right thing by the global economy and lowers U.S. rates, it will also shoot down the dollar -- the domestic consequences would be a sharp inflationary shock and a jump in unemployment. A more likely scenario is that U.S. officials and the IMF will continue their

[PEN-L:1441] A view from Mexico

1998-09-03 Thread Thomas Kruse
Returning to the global economy and finances, [Mexican Finance Minister Jose Angel] Gurria said: "What worries me is who is running this show. There is an enormous vacuum of leadership worldwide. Where are the consensus-building and decision-making mechanisms to face situations like Russia and

[PEN-L:1447] Worse than in 1917

1998-09-03 Thread Louis Proyect
(Take note of the reference to Russians asking Argentina for advice about how to set up a currency board. It turns out that Nestor was onto something after all.) September 3, 1998 SUMMIT IN MOSCOW As Clinton Meets With Russian Opposition, Dire Forecasts Circulate By CELESTINE BOHLEN MOSCOW

[PEN-L:1448] Sexual politics of Yiddish and Hebrew (Re: RE: Thefull dimensions of the Holocaust)

1998-09-03 Thread Frances Bolton (PHI)
Max, I'm going to look into this later, but I definitely recall older, religious Jews going to the gas chambers and young Zionists going to Palestine. At least part of the thing about creating a Jewish state ws creating a New Jew. The kibbibutzim were founded on socialist principles, and more

[PEN-L:1450] Briefly followup to Frances' post

1998-09-03 Thread Frances Bolton (PHI)
Just wanted to comment on my use of the word "goyim." I was speaking within the context of the young Jewish wish to create a new Jew. Hope no one was insulted. fb On Thu, 3 Sep 1998, Frances Bolton (PHI) wrote: Max, I'm going to look into this later, but I definitely recall older,

[PEN-L:1451] RE: Re: RE: The full dimensions of the Holocaust

1998-09-03 Thread Max Sawicky
The leader of this group, if I remember correctly, was Jabolosky (sp? or something like that). Netanyahu's father was his secretary, I think. Wha? If you're referring to Jabotinsky, he was the leader of the right-wing section of zionism, called Betar if memory serves. Begin was his

[PEN-L:1453] RE: Re: hey asshole

1998-09-03 Thread Max Sawicky
No one, in recent emeory at least, has a shitting party. My social calendar is pretty full, so I'll have to decline any invitations. Actually, a counter-example is a movie celebrating an entire resort devoted to your last reference called The Road to Wellville. MBS

[PEN-L:1438] TB outbreak in New Zealand

1998-09-03 Thread Bill Rosenberg
A symbol of the "progress" New Zealand "reforms" have made - Seven cases of tuberculosis have been identified at Tangaroa College, Otara, Auckland, the first mass outbreak of the disease in New Zealand for more than a decade. More are expected according to Auckland medical officer of health,

[PEN-L:1456] Raising the Bar

1998-09-03 Thread Max Sawicky
By now there is no hipness in calling for the Fed to lower interest rates. Krugman did a piece on it. James Glassman, the Post's libertarian financial columnist has done it. Today Robert "no relation" Samuelson chimed in, along with Jack Kemp. Kemp is also calling for world adoption of the gold

[PEN-L:1458] Re: Raising the Bar

1998-09-03 Thread valis
Quoth Max, who also dreamed up that award for the world's tallest midget: [At EPI we're considering the inauguration of a new award, to the economist who destroys the most economic output by the age of 40. Obviously Summers and Jeff Sachs are leading contenders. Other nominations are

[PEN-L:1459] Re: Nazi link with medical experimentation in Ca

1998-09-03 Thread Wojtek Sokolowski
At 05:08 PM 9/2/98 +, James Craven wrote: Dear Marco, Thanks for the note. I hope that you continue serious scholarship on some of these vital questions. When I was a Tribal Judge at a recent UN-sponsored Tribunal in Vancouver, B.C. we had some solid evidence of torture techniques used on

[PEN-L:1452] RE: Sexual politics of Yiddish and Hebrew (Re: RE: Thefull dimensions of the Holocaust)

1998-09-03 Thread Max Sawicky
I'm going to look into this later, but I definitely recall older, religious Jews going to the gas chambers and young Zionists going to Palestine. . . . Sounds right to me. The orthodox had a doctrinal opposition to zionism and leftism which contributed to their failure to avoid mass

[PEN-L:1462] Health care question

1998-09-03 Thread michael perelman
Dave Richardson continues to supply us with the excellent reports. This one struck me as curious: Rising health care costs over the past 20 years have hit employers harder than employees, the Employee Benefit Research Institute says. Despite rising health costs in the last two decades and

[PEN-L:1464] Re: Wealth Effect?

1998-09-03 Thread Tom Walker
Trevor Evans wrote, Yesterdays Financial Times (2 September 1998) quotes estimates by US Federal Reserve economists that 3 to 5 per cent of gains in asset prices are spent on consumption, and that given a rise over the last three years of $4,500 bn in houshold wealth this would imply that rising

[PEN-L:1465] RE: Health care question

1998-09-03 Thread Fellows, Jeffrey
-- From: michael perelman: Dave Richardson continues to supply us with the excellent reports. This one struck me as curious: Rising health care costs over the past 20 years have hit employers harder than employees, the Employee Benefit Research Institute says. Despite rising health

[PEN-L:1455] Overripe fruit

1998-09-03 Thread Louis Proyect
Alexander Cockburn, NY Press: Face it, a big slice of the world is depressed already. The core problem is overcapacity in manufacturing, a problem capitalism has been plagued with from the start. Overcapacity helped send the Southeast Asian economies down the tubes, and as they try to hike

[PEN-L:1457] Intellectual Property

1998-09-03 Thread Louis Proyect
Some corporations want to lock up copyright even tighter. Some naive intellectuals want to abandon copyright altogether. Where is a "do-nothing" Congress now that we need one? by Charles C. Mann Atlantic Monthly ABOUT twelve years ago I walked past a magazine kiosk in Europe and noticed the

[PEN-L:1467] Re: RE: The full dimensions of the Holocaust

1998-09-03 Thread James Michael Craven
On 3 Sep 98 at 9:49, Max Sawicky wrote: . . . that there are some references--e.g. certain Zionist leaders collaborating with Nazis to get young and religious Jews to Palestine and leave older and more secular Jews to the gas chambers . . . Although I've read some about nazi-zionist

[PEN-L:1469] Re: Re: RE: The full dimensions of the Holocaust

1998-09-03 Thread Wojtek Sokolowski
At 10:45 AM 9/3/98 +, Jim Craven wrote: On 3 Sep 98 at 9:49, Max Sawicky wrote: . . . that there are some references--e.g. certain Zionist leaders collaborating with Nazis to get young and religious Jews to Palestine and leave older and more secular Jews to the gas chambers . . .

[PEN-L:1471] RE: Re: RE: The full dimensions of the Holocaust

1998-09-03 Thread Max Sawicky
Max, The leadership of the Jewish Agency in Hungary, Dr. Rudolf Berger et al cut a deal with Eichmann to get 1350 rich Conservative Jewish families out of Hungary . . . I would say the key factor was "rich." If you mean "conservative" in the religious sense (I don't think there was any such

[PEN-L:1460] Re: Re: hey asshole

1998-09-03 Thread Doug Henwood
Thomas Kruse wrote: Gunther Grass had a great aside in the _The Flounder_ about how we pay an awful lot of attention to what goes into the body (food) and how (social rituals, meals, etc.), but preciousl little to what exits, and how. No one, in recent emeory at least, has a shitting party.

[PEN-L:1446] Re: RE: The full dimensions of the Holocaust

1998-09-03 Thread michael
The leader of this group, if I remember correctly, was Jabolosky (sp? or something like that). Netanyahu's father was his secretary, I think. . . . that there are some references--e.g. certain Zionist leaders collaborating with Nazis to get young and religious Jews to Palestine and leave

[PEN-L:1463] Re: Re: Nazi link with medical exper... II

1998-09-03 Thread Frances Bolton (PHI)
On Thu, 3 Sep 1998, valis wrote: ((SNIP)) Each generation of hapless Jewish children is in turn sandbagged with stories implying that a) every Jew is/was a blameless soul who only react(s)(ed) to the malevolent thoughts and actions of others, and b) there is a gene for

[PEN-L:1473] Russia: China to the Rescue?

1998-09-03 Thread Gregory Schwartz
What's this world coming to? *** CHINA TO THE RESCUE? While President Clinton linked additional economic assistance to concrete reform measures, China is willing to provide $540 million in aid to Russia, according to Britain's "The Guardian." On 3 September, the newspaper quoted Chinese Foreign

[PEN-L:1454] what's up Tom Kruse

1998-09-03 Thread michael perelman
Tom, tell us about the literal, not figurative, fires in your part of the world. Are they as bad as the news suggests? Is this a new phenomenon? -- Michael Perelman Economics Department California State University Chico, CA 95929 Tel. 916-898-5321 E-Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[PEN-L:1474] Russia: Plot Thickens

1998-09-03 Thread Gregory Schwartz
Electronic Telegraph (UK) 3 September 1998 [for personal use only[ Plot thickens in the struggle for power By Alan Philps in Moscow THE crisis in Russia has all the elements of a Hollywood scare movie: an ageing and obstinate president, a ruined economy, a disaffected army controlling a vast

[PEN-L:1480] Sexual politics of Yiddish and Hebrew (Re: RE: The full dimensions of the Holocaust)

1998-09-03 Thread Rosser Jr, John Barkley
But then the Hebrew of Israel is a synthetic language that is not that of the ancients. One of its more striking features is a significant Slavic influence grammatically and in other ways. Of course there is a Hebrew influence on Russian, most notably in the presence of certain

[PEN-L:1472] Russia: Potatos to fuel political fire

1998-09-03 Thread Gregory Schwartz
Moscow Times September 3, 1998 Now, a Real Crisis: No Potato Crop By Natalya Shulyakovskaya Staff Writer First there was the financial crisis. Then the financial crisis and the political crisis. Now, Russia faces the financial crisis, the political crisis ... and the potato crisis. A summer

[PEN-L:1439] Re: hey asshole

1998-09-03 Thread Thomas Kruse
Regarding: hence I don't understand its [asshole] perjorative use See Mary Dougals, _Purity and Danger_, old but very good. Looks at how such ideas are socially/culturally constructed. Clear implications for understanding "purity" as one of the bases for racism. Also for why asshole is

[PEN-L:1444] Re: Last Message, How to Confront Holocaust Deniers

1998-09-03 Thread jf noonan
On Wed, 2 Sep 1998, James Michael Craven wrote: How to Confront Holocaust Deniers 3) Do not discuss only the Jewish victims of the Nazi Holocaust Unless you're trying to open a Holocaust museum in New York, in which case you'd better not mention anybody but Jews and certainly not

[PEN-L:1483] Re: RE: The full dimensions of the Holocaust

1998-09-03 Thread Thomas Kruse
At 09:49 3/09/98 -0400, you wrote: . . . that there are some references--e.g. certain Zionist leaders collaborating with Nazis to get young and religious Jews to Palestine and leave older and more secular Jews to the gas chambers . . . Although I've read some about nazi-zionist transactions,

[PEN-L:1485] Re: Russia: Potatos to fuel political fire

1998-09-03 Thread James Devine
and what about President Brendan O'Yeltsin? I'm afraid this story is very reminiscent of that of the 1840s Irish spud shortage. People driven to small plots of land to grow taters; tubers taking a larger and larger share of the diet; a blight hits the crop while capitalist greed prevents relief

[PEN-L:1487] Re: Russia: China to the Rescue?

1998-09-03 Thread James Devine
At 02:31 PM 9/3/98 -0500, you wrote: What's this world coming to? *** CHINA TO THE RESCUE? While President Clinton linked additional economic assistance to concrete reform measures, China is willing to provide $540 million in aid to Russia, according to Britain's "The Guardian." On $540

[PEN-L:1475] Russia: In Need of Free Competition?

1998-09-03 Thread Gregory Schwartz
I am afraid articles of this nature may not be as dominant in the immediate future as they were in the immediate past. They will be - as Louis suggested, reflecting on encountering an old free-market-ideologue outside Columbia U - a sign of the past; a sign of a sinking ideological ship no longer

[PEN-L:1477] Re: Briefly followup to Frances' post

1998-09-03 Thread James Michael Craven
On 3 Sep 98 at 10:26, Frances Bolton (PHI) wrote: Just wanted to comment on my use of the word "goyim." I was speaking within the context of the young Jewish wish to create a new Jew. Hope no one was insulted. fb On Thu, 3 Sep 1998, Frances Bolton (PHI) wrote: Max, I'm

[PEN-L:1479] Re: Raising the Bar

1998-09-03 Thread James Devine
(I'm sending this to pen-l, also, since it seems of interest.) Brad deLong writes: Arthur Okun and company thought that the NAIRU had successfully been breached in the 1960s--that they could run the U.S. economy without structural changes at 4% unemployment and 2% inflation forever. The result

[PEN-L:1443] BLS Daily Report

1998-09-03 Thread Richardson_D
This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. -- =_NextPart_000_01BDD73B.3D4BF350 charset="iso-8859-1" BLS DAILY REPORT, WEDNESDAY, SEPTEMBER 2, 1998 RELEASED TODAY: In July, 213 of the 328

[PEN-L:1481] re- The full dimensions of the Holocaust

1998-09-03 Thread Frank Durgin
More in consonance with the current thread, rather than my usual something on the theme "Countdown to Armaggeddon", I offer the following: Todays internet issue of Moscow Times has an article on the "grand opening Wednesday of the nation's first Holocaust museum, part of a new

[PEN-L:1484] Re: Re: Re: hey asshole

1998-09-03 Thread Doug Henwood
Rosser Jr, John Barkley wrote: Well, I would note the work of Norman O. Brown and some other Freudian Marxist types back in the 1960s who argued that capitalism is an anal complex. Capital equals feces being saved to give to one's parents, etc. Oh but credit changes all that, replacing the

[PEN-L:1491] Re: the shit thread

1998-09-03 Thread Louis Proyect
Arrrghhh! This is what got me started writing a book on the American Indian and Marxism. A Maoist was debating Russell Means in Pine Ridge in the early '70s and defending "dialectical materialism" which meant assimilating into white capitalist society and giving up Indian identity and beliefs. To

[PEN-L:1489] the shit thread

1998-09-03 Thread Thomas Kruse
In pondering the shit thread, I rememberd the following. On necessity of race purification for Bolivian "development" in the 19th century, prominent statesman Gabriel Rene Moreno wrote: "If in any way the indians and cholos [poorer peoples of peasant-indian extraction, who have left the

[PEN-L:1486] Re: what's up Tom Kruse

1998-09-03 Thread Thomas Kruse
Michael wrote: Tom, tell us about the literal, not figurative, fires in your part of the world. Are they as bad as the news suggests? Is this a new phenomenon? News? We're in the News? Hot Damn! Do send on a clipping, this IS exciting! I suppose the refernce is to the burning that

[PEN-L:1497] Re: Re: Re: Re: hey asshole

1998-09-03 Thread michael
Well it was Marx (or was it Engels?) who noted that the gold standard was popular in Catholic countries with salvation by works, whereas credit money emerged in Protestant, especially Calvinist like Scotland, countries where one got salvation by faith. 1st vol. of capital. --

[PEN-L:1476] Progressive Tax Reform

1998-09-03 Thread Max Sawicky
I've written a snappy 4000 words about progressive consumption tax reform. If the masses and powers that be are willing, I will post it and, after imbibing a few to dull the pain, invite comments. MBS

[PEN-L:1478] Sado-messianism

1998-09-03 Thread valis
Quoth Wojtek, in part: . The messianistic cults which, if memory serves, were the brainchild of the Hegelian right, had two distinctive features: (1) they claimed that members of a national- or ethnic-identity group experience suffering more than those of any other groups,

[PEN-L:1498] NCAA v. ILLINIWAK et al.

1998-09-03 Thread James Michael Craven
--- Forwarded Message Follows --- From: "Boyle, Francis" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To:"'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: NCAA v. ILLINIWAK et al. Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 16:35:21 -0500 -- From: Boyle, Francis Sent: Thursday, September

[PEN-L:1442] Wealth Effect?

1998-09-03 Thread Trevor Evans
Yesterdays Financial Times (2 September 1998) quotes estimates by US Federal Reserve economists that 3 to 5 per cent of gains in asset prices are spent on consumption, and that given a rise over the last three years of $4,500 bn in houshold wealth this would imply that rising stock prices have

[PEN-L:1440] Containing Chaos

1998-09-03 Thread Thomas Kruse
Choice quotes: "The political price of complying with the markets' demands are finally hitting home," said Robert Hormats, vice chairman of Goldman, Sachs Co., which was an investor in Asia and has been deeply involved in the bailouts of South Korea and Russia. "And they simply seem too high."

[PEN-L:1495] Re: Sexual politics of Yiddish and Hebrew (Re: RE:The full dimensions of the Holocaust)

1998-09-03 Thread Frances Bolton (PHI)
Oh, sure. One couldn't say hamburger and french fries in ancient hebrew. But you can say it in modern (hamboorgeria ee cheeps is the transliteration.) frances, who just displayed half of her hebrew. I can also say "I drink coffee" in Hebrew, but I'll save that for another day. On Thu, 3 Sep

[PEN-L:1496] Re: Re: Russia: China to the Rescue?

1998-09-03 Thread Gregory Schwartz
Certainly $540 is 'peanuts' (well, peanuts in comparison with the social costs currently and, maybe, eventually to be borne) I was commenting on the irony of it all. Whilst most developed capitalist states are (like Japan) in dire straits or (like the EU countries) have pledged to abstain from

[PEN-L:1500] free-market ideology

1998-09-03 Thread Martin Hart-Landsberg
I may be trying to create a problem where none exists, but I worry about how we understand and respond to recent cracks in the mainstream free-market consensus. It is of course very satisfying to see criticisms of the IMF/WB or free market policies from unexpected sources. And groups like the

[PEN-L:1501] The Dust Bowl -Reply

1998-09-03 Thread Tim Stroshane
Louis, Have you seen Worster's early book, DUST BOWL (I think it's about 1979)? It's quite good, providing an insightful analysis of the un-ecological biases of the agronomy used by USDA to help address the conditions of agriculture at the time.

[PEN-L:1505] Anti-corporate sentiment raging in U.S. (fwd)

1998-09-03 Thread michael
Forwarded message: Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 18:24:48 -0700 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Sid Shniad [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Anti-corporate sentiment raging in U.S. X-UID: 762 www.rtk.net/preamble/ Corporate Irresponsibility: There

[PEN-L:1466] Re: Re: Re: Nazi link with medical exper... II

1998-09-03 Thread Wojtek Sokolowski
At 01:02 PM 9/3/98 -0400, Frances Bolton wrote: On Thu, 3 Sep 1998, valis wrote: ((SNIP)) Each generation of hapless Jewish children is in turn sandbagged with stories implying that a) every Jew is/was a blameless soul who only react(s)(ed) to the malevolent thoughts and actions

[PEN-L:1461] Re: Nazi link with medical exper... II

1998-09-03 Thread valis
To begin with, torturing people is a horrible act in itself, whether perfomed by ex Nazis or not. Thus focusing on the "nazi connection" does not add anything to the moral condemnation of the practice in question. To

[PEN-L:1445] RE: The full dimensions of the Holocaust

1998-09-03 Thread Max Sawicky
. . . that there are some references--e.g. certain Zionist leaders collaborating with Nazis to get young and religious Jews to Palestine and leave older and more secular Jews to the gas chambers . . . Although I've read some about nazi-zionist transactions, this is the first I've heard of

[PEN-L:1502] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: hey asshole

1998-09-03 Thread Doug Henwood
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well it was Marx (or was it Engels?) who noted that the gold standard was popular in Catholic countries with salvation by works, whereas credit money emerged in Protestant, especially Calvinist like Scotland, countries where one got salvation by faith. 1st

[PEN-L:1493] Re: Re: Last Message, How to Confront Holocaust De

1998-09-03 Thread James Michael Craven
Dead On. In the film the Russia House, the central character, Barley Scott Blair, a drunken, cynical, "a-political", publisher of a failing publishing house he inherited, is drunk in this dacha with Russina friends and he is waxing eloquent and says: "If there is to be hope, we must all

[PEN-L:1492] Education of our youth

1998-09-03 Thread James Michael Craven
From the World Book Encyclopedia, circa 1920 "What is a Mexican? Mexico had in 1910 a population of about 15,112,600 people; an accurate census has never been taken because of the superstitious fears of the people. When a census taker appears they conceal from him as many facts as possible,

[PEN-L:1503] Re: The Dust Bowl -Reply

1998-09-03 Thread Louis Proyect
I just ordered it today. I will then own five of his books. I am absolutely blown away by his powers of analysis. It's funny how I stumbled across him. Amazon.com makes recommendations based on previous purchases and "Under Western Skies" popped up. I am particularly interested in the way his

[PEN-L:1499] The Dust Bowl

1998-09-03 Thread Louis Proyect
(Donald Worster, "Under Western Skies," pp. 98-101) Any attempt to understand the cultural roots of the Dust Bowl must begin with a scrutiny of Great Plains rural society in the late 1910s and the 1920s. Before that time there were, of course, forays by farmers into the fragile shortgrass

[PEN-L:1470] Re: Re: hey asshole

1998-09-03 Thread Rosser Jr, John Barkley
Well, I would note the work of Norman O. Brown and some other Freudian Marxist types back in the 1960s who argued that capitalism is an anal complex. Capital equals feces being saved to give to one's parents, etc. Barkley Rosser On Thu, 3 Sep 1998 12:01:11 -0400 Doug Henwood [EMAIL

[PEN-L:1490] Re: Nizkor-l: Re: Briefly followup to Frances'

1998-09-03 Thread James Michael Craven
On 3 Sep 98 at 12:14, Andrew Mathis wrote: just what the hell is the matter w/you, anyway? haven't you gotten the message? your contributions to the nizkor-l list turned out to be something less than appreciated, if not exactly for the reasons you fantasize why not just call it a day?

[PEN-L:1504] McChicken? Not these two (fwd)

1998-09-03 Thread michael
Forwarded message: Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 19:17:37 -0700 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Sid Shniad [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: McChicken? Not these two X-UID: 764 August 24, 1998 McChicken? Not these two Organizers now target all

[PEN-L:1494] Re: Re: Re: hey asshole

1998-09-03 Thread Rosser Jr, John Barkley
Well it was Marx (or was it Engels?) who noted that the gold standard was popular in Catholic countries with salvation by works, whereas credit money emerged in Protestant, especially Calvinist like Scotland, countries where one got salvation by faith. Don't know about the

[PEN-L:1506] Britain's Social Security Debacle May Send Warning Signals to (fwd)

1998-09-03 Thread michael
Forwarded message: Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 18:22:55 -0700 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Sid Shniad [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Britain's Social Security Debacle May Send Warning Signals to U.S. X-UID: 763 WALL STREET JOURNAL

[PEN-L:1488] What have we?

1998-09-03 Thread valis
Class, while we debate subjects that have reduced better schools than this to throat-throttling rabbles, a character of provocative bent has stolen in on cat feet. What do you think? valis -- Forwarded message --